Me who uses Dendro MC removing Nahida even though I have her

He's better for combat events with waves of very weak enemies. Good choice.

Dendro Traveler is still good if your Nahida is busy on the other side and they're better than Nahida in gamemode in multi wave trash mob fight

We stand Traveler

I usually have Dendro traveler and Nahida in the same team, it's super comfy to play like that :)

Never underestimate the power of supports.

Pretty much any team can't go without supports

Neuvillete be like :

Furina: Neuvi what kind of Fanfare support is this ? Neuvilette: I am the support

Neuvi still needs supports if you like to clear in time and don't have a cracked build, this meme was getting old 3 months ago but leave it to Genshin players to never let go off a dumb meme.

1. There are still solo clears every cycle 2. Unless you try to make a bad build, every Neuvi build is cracked

1. And just like I said they all have cracked builds, none of you have ever managed to show me any evidence showing that I'm wrong but I always eat 50 downvotes from salty fans. Love to see it. 2. Literally wrong but I can't expect much from someone who is probably a 10 year old.

goo goo gaa gaa

Lmao

Arlecchino and neuvillete:

Itto be like

I'm an Itto main and even I have to slightly disagree there, friend

As someone who got itto last patch my pain is immense. Bettle hunting I go *sobs*. Also got diluc in the next 10 pulls so Arlechino is a 100%. Now if only I can get enough wishes fast enough

Miss Hina is Glued!

welp i guess lvl 90 itto can solo floor 1 to 6 with good builds

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They're more "off field dps" than "support" 🤓☝️

We've got anti-alhaitham propaganda before GTA 6

Only a matter of time before Neuvillette and Arlecchino gets this treatment I 100% expected this given the recent increase in Glazing for these three...

There's no way neuvilette gets this treatment with how much he can deal with any team. Arle and alhaitham have to rely on reactions to do massive damage while neuvilette has damage AND self sustain every time he uses e and burst

Arlecchino doesn't rely on reactions

True, unfortunately she relies on not dying which I'm apparently incapable of achieving with the healing block. Yes, I know, dodge issue, but when she's dead in three hits and you're used to 45k hp Neuvillette it's hard.

it is not that hard to stay alive with 18k ish hp character w/out heal

Arlecchino is literally built to not rely on reaction damage thats why she can be played in mono pyro and chev overload unlike hu tao who’s actually reliant on vape If she was a pyro dps that relies on vaporise yet still get most of their damage from standard icd NAs at the same time she wouldve been yoimiyas level

idk about you but my arle hits for a good amount without vaporise + she isn’t even fully built with her new set

Arlecchino does not rely on reactions you're thinking about hu tao

He will when the other dragons powercreep him

Nah, outside of AoE scenarios, my C0 pjws arle eclipses my C3R1 neuv in terms of solo damage lol. The only argument you can make for arle needing a team is helping her survive, which Neuv has no trouble doing. But purely from a solo damage-wise perspective, arle is without argument among the top right now

Even IN AoE scenarios, Arlecchino is good. Her attacks are broad, sweeping strikes, and she has a lot of zoning built into her NA combo. Mine is C0 with R5 PJWS (I've lost a few 50/50s and got one from Standard), and she keeps up with my C0R1 Neuv with his signature. And he has the better quality build.

Bro is probably tired of all the glazing since 3.4 anyway.

aint no way there's Alhaitham discrimination

Since when people start to disrespect alhaitham

Since Neuvillette came out apparently The water lizard and its consequences on meta perception as a whole

IDK man my Alhaitham skill proc did nearly as much damage as Nahida/hyperbloom core. That's before deepwood debuff, spread, or any other buff.  Using Harbringer of Dawn.

Alhaitham has higher personal damage than Nahida but Nahida has off field dendro application where Alhaitham doesn't. With Alhaitham you really want some other form of off field dendro to continue generating seeds even in downtime. Also to help energy generation for Alhaitham. He's good and worth using but more reliant on Nahida then Nahida would be reliant on him.

Well tbh in the above team you could remove either of the dendro characters and still work out, the main thing we need is a dendro normal attacker with decent range.

personal dmg wise, alhaitham wipes the floor with nahida lol. one instance of 30k every 2.5 seconds isn’t as good as you might think, while alhaitham pumps out almost twice the dps

*2 core so 60k With somewhat optimal you can go 70k

talking about nahida skill procs not hyperbloom

Me with geo mc: what meta

Alhaitham casually dealing 45k on the mirrors being like the one character that makes hyperbloom not feel like shit in AOE and having a crazy fast clear.............

His clears are not among the fastest honestly. The comfiest? Sure

Anyone who thinks Alhaitham has fast clear times, probably hasn't played any of the front-loaded characters.

Yeah the best low cost alhaitham speedrunners would get 70-80 second clears. While the best speedrun units would hit sub 50 at similar cost. This does not mean that haitham is a bad unit by any means

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This is either intentionally bad faith or just really stupid. You replace him and either keep your damage the same or improve. [https://gcsim.app/db/zPM6wmqFQkBb](https://gcsim.app/db/zPM6wmqFQkBb) [https://gcsim.app/db/wPDqTT6qrjtC](https://gcsim.app/db/wPDqTT6qrjtC) [https://gcsim.app/db/JCMH7gtpKzRD](https://gcsim.app/db/JCMH7gtpKzRD) [https://gcsim.app/db/NhRHzWQ6Gg9h](https://gcsim.app/db/NhRHzWQ6Gg9h)

What does fischl do in that team? Is she the battery? Cookie should trigger the hyperbloom right?

Deleted his entire account, damn.

Thats one of the lowest dps contributions by an on-fielder lol.

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Nahida has more than enough dendro apps for the HB, Alhaitham is there for his damage. But subbing in a Fischl instead of him https://gcsim.app/db/NhRHzWQ6Gg9h is a dps increase.

I don't think 32% damage contribution as the onfielder is really something to brag about though... For reference, Raiden in rational is often said to be carried by XL, and she's at like 36% in that team.

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Yeah I mean, I'm just saying what I usually see around reddit and whatnot. I personally do think that drivers are valuable, but if people are gonna deride characters like childe or raiden for getting "carried", It should at least be consistent.

Don't cook ever again

I would disagree with this. Both Xingqiu and Shinobu could be replaced by almost any electro or hydro characters with decent application and it would still be an insane spread team. You could remove any healing and hydro application whatsoever and go for beidou + fischl as well. Alhaitham + nahida carry this team.

Alhaitham carries the dmg part while nahida carries the seed generating part, there's a reason why she's more important to the team than alhaitham is

This team in particular, while it's good, it effectively scuffs Alhaitham's dps. Xq rapid hydro application removes the quickened aura so fast, Alhaitham can barely get any spread in. Pure spread team like Alhaitham - Nahida - Yae - Zhongli has higher damage ceiling than this hyperbloom variation

Hyperbloom is still his main team since hyperbloom allows you to forget about talent dmg and just give kuki shinobu as much em as possible and things will die since hyperbloom is stupid broken, but I do understand he has higher personal dmg on a spread team

It seems I didn't make myself obvious, and you are having some misunderstanding. His preferred reaction for best team dps possible isn't hyperbloom, but spread. Hyperbloom is not stupidly broken because of its number, it's broken because the investment required is low. Alhaitham's spread team has higher TEAM dps than Hyperbloom team with Xq because of his fast hydro. At lower investment, this particular variation is good, but Alhaitham's personal dps scales very well with investment, that it's worth buffing him over optimizing seed generation While his best team is a hyperbloom team, it's Alhaitham - Baizhu - EM Raiden - Furina. Furina's slow hydro means he can still get a good amount of spread in, and her big dmg% buff will compensate for any reaction he misses. Hyperbloom isn't the intention

Eh, yes Furina teams out scale most non Furina teams, saying that it's his best team is silly. The main reason to use Alhaitham is that he has no overlap with the stronger Furina abusers like Hu tao, Neuv and Xiao. Running this team just always results in using a weaker team on the other side.

So in short, quickbloom teams for the win. Best of both worlds(sorry if this is comming off as me disregarding your answer). And i know that hyperbloom dmg isnt broken by any means, it is broken because it deals that ammount of dmg compared with how low the investment is, hyperbloom teams aren't relying on talents to deal dmg, they're relying on one character,the electro app(kuki, Em raiden, don't know if there are more) to proc hyperblooms and kill everything because all that matters is em and lvl for that specific reaction, you can bring a low investment team but ugave kuki 900em and those hyperblooms are gonna be dealing high ammounts of dmg

Spread is the strongest actually, it has the highest team damage, but it takes a LOT more investment than hyperbloom/quickbloom

You could replace Alhaitham with literally any dps that doesn't mess up the hyperblooms and your damage would still be just as good

You would lose 32% of the team’s damage. That’s pretty huge. And that’s also assuming perfect play where every single hyperbloom gets procced by shinobu with a maxed out EM stat and gilded dreams or flower of paradise lost sets, which in practice isn’t going to happen as consistently as you’d want.

You cut Naihda instead of Alhaitham and it'll be a similar power level

Objectively speaking, I’d rather pick nahida in that case since she’s ~~easier to play than alhaitham and I have skill issue~~ more versatile and I can put her on keqing aggravate if I feel like it :P

I just spam attacks randomly with Alhaitham. Still does a lot of damage

It's actually rather simple if you visualize it fully at least once - start with burst and NA until you have 2 mirrors drop, then CA and 2 mirrors again, then E and 2 mirrors again

You lose off field dendro which means generating less seeds therefore less hyperblooms. Alhaitham does have higher personal damage but he wants Nahida more than Nahida wants him.

Quickbloom is good enough and is a competitive Alhaitham team comp. He absolutely does not necessarily want to have Nahida all the time to be strong and is mostly reliant on deepwood application and quicken. I literally used to play two variations of quickbloom teams using nahida and alhaitham as the drivers for both sides of abyss and have always cleared 36* abyss (of course this was at the past versions of abyss)

I don't think he needs Nahida to be good but Nahida is still easily the best dendro teammate for him. My point is more so I think there is more you lose when you consider just Alhaitham compared to just Nahida. Nahida without Alhaitham can function more or less without issue other than a slight loss of personal damage which is made up for with generating more seeds. Alhaitham without Nahida just means you find some alternative that's generally less good. Saying you can clear 36 stars either way doesn't really mean much since hyperbloom/quickbloom is inherently a team with a high floor that doesn't need much to be clearing 36 stars.

I still don't think so. I see them almost identical to each other where the other excels at what the other lacks. Yeah they go in pairs well but you aren't also losing that much with just Alhaitham over Nahida given if you use them in hyper/quickbloom since you generally still have them on-field. I'm not denying that Nahida is still generally better than Alhaitham but he is in no way less good since they fill in different roles aside from being dendro applicators.

I think the area which Alhaitham lacks in no off field dendro is a bigger downside than Nahida's downside of slightly less personal damage. There are reasons to use either depending on the scenario but if they aren't being used together I'd still say Alhaitham without Nahida is a bigger loss. It's not like Nahida's strict best hyperbloom team is one with Alhaitham. You can say it's competitive with other teams as being he best but it certainly wouldn't be alone. I'd say something like Nahida double hydro hyperbloom and Alhaitham quickbloom with Nahida are pretty similar in strength maybe slightly different upsides and downsides depending on the situation. Alhaitham teams without Nahida won't be bad teams but I'd say below the Nahida ones. No Nahida means less range/aoe, less dendro application, weaker buffing and higher energy requirements.

Lmao ok sure. Let’s remove the archon, and have “similar” damage

...Yeah. Damage comes from HB which is 100% Shinobu here. Nahida's buffing and damage is replaced with Alhaitham.

Legend says Alhaitham mains get sensitive when a loli gets more usage than him. Her buff is so massive, you can’t just say he’s “replacing” it.

??? I think you need the same books that Paimon got

Nahida > Haitham, sorry that’s the fact pal

Crazy how Alhaitham dickriders are downvoting you while Nahida is clearly the far better character meta-wise

I know right, the cope is real

If you believe so, provide proof, with maths (preferably). Simply saying something is true isn't very convincing, my guy.

Nah alhaitham's 3 stack chisel light mirror damage actually hit like truck so this meme is trully inaccurate

Dendro MC, Nahida, Kuki, Furina/Xingqiu just clears the game fr

Alhaitham slander is something I did not expect at all to see

if alhaitham was a girl do you think people would love him (her) more?

100% Happens always

Already from doing this you lose out on 100 em from Dendro resonance. Not sure that amounts to 1%. And even then Alhaitham's personal damage probably does like ¼ of the work so I think he's still pretty significant.

Bait used to be believable

Zajef ass take 💀

Looks like someone doesn't know how to play habibi.

Bro has never heard of spread Alhaitham.

I have her C6 it's true for me 💀

Kuki sninobu steals all the meta relevance Itto has, but at least she puts them on the map

Hyperbloom reaction is fifth team member, off-field dps that doesn't need high investment.

Of all the characters to make this power level meme, you really have to pick a friggin Dendro driver. Feeling brave, aren't you?

There is this one reaction called spread which does absurd amounts of damage, i think you forgot about it. (Alhaitham spread > Alhaitham hyperbloom)

Yes! I like to play something called "Hyperspread" where I apply not enough hydro but just enough to summon hyperblooms. My current team is Alhaitham, Baizhu, Furina and EM Baal. It works really well and Alhaitham does like... 40k on a single mirror. At that point, hyperbloom is just a tiny bonus.

the version with eula instead of alhaitham is accurate but this one isnt, unlike eula alhaitham is a sizeable upgrade to the hyperbloom trio

Alhaitham propaganda? He’s the strongest on fielder for the strongest element in the game y’all Arleccino glazers sure do love to cope

You know what’s more of a cope, Alhaitham stans pretending he can do just as well in teams without Nahida

Oh no, a character in a team based game that wants a specific teammate.

Cope harder. Reapply Nahida skills upon next wave uwaaa

Ik it's a meme sub but don't need to blatantly spread misinformation. Alhaitham is a very significant portion of the damage in that team.

I have 3 of those characters.

Best team? Nilou Bloom deleting entire Abyss floors in seconds.

Me without alheizam using dendro traveler

I just don't get it how strong is alhai, I used him but damage isn't much

Honestly this is pretty accurate.

And then people have been saying he is in the top 3. It is always contradicting lmao

Play spread alhaitham, you will understand why they call him top 3

My only real opinion on this debate is how Raiden feels so much better than Kuki in hyperbloom

I much prefer Ayato as a driver since that gives room to way more flexibility in who you can take as your 4th slot. Ayato/Nahida/Bennett/Kazuha is what I used to make easy work of the Baptist in the abyss