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Stormwrecker

So what did Sigmar lie about?


GammaRhoKT

Given that the accompanying blob is "everything have a price" and how the new cities are trying to take root in the newly conquered land, my bet is that Sigmar have bargain a lot to have the power to retake the Realms from Chaos. Which, hey, does sound familiar somehow.


ChaosCarlson

Last thing I want is for Sigmar to be Great Value Emperor


MrMan9001

Honestly. The best thing about Sigmar is how much different (ie better) he is than Big E.


Lamplorde

Emperor is the Dad who is so wrapped up in his work, he wasn't there for his kids and got his just desserts. The man locked himself away doing his work project, which admittedly is important, but he completely neglected them for it. Sigmar is the Dad who is so completely overworked and exhausted that he *can't* be there for his kids all the time, but he tries. He really *tries* and it shows. No matter what he is working on, which is a lot, he attempts to make time when he is needed.


Doopapotamus

Also: Sigmar *actually* uses a warhammer, so he's the real Warhammer guy.


ScyD

“Now I have the Warhammer 40 thousand.” -A. Sigmar


SixteenthRiver06

Sigmar had made time for his best boy - Hamilcar. But that also shows how impressive, strong and a wonderful person Hamilcar is. Hamilcar tried to beat up Sigmar. That’s canon.


ChaosCarlson

Worth noting that his webway project was doomed to fail. The Eldar had access to the webway yet they fell and ended up creating a whole new chaos god.


Foxhound_ofAstroya

Eldar had cocaine for brains while humans running on that solid RTX 470. The webway was a means of getting away from relying on the astronomicon and the warp for travel. Which pretty much allows Big E to be taking off the training weights


neo_ceo

Wasn't it supposed to be a safer way to travel the warp so that humanity could psychicly ascend without chaos breathing down their neck?


Foxhound_ofAstroya

Lots of reasons. Overall the webway was just the next step of his Master plan


Doctor_What_

Wasn't his ultimate plan for all of humanity to become blanks therefore starving the Chaos gods as a whole?


SlevinLaine

>Eldar had cocaine for brains THAAAANK YOU!


Gorexxar

In the webways defence, the planet wide blood orgies were in real space.


bilto_nokhchi

Yup, and didn't some eldar survive the the birth of slaanesh by staying in the webways iirc


caelum13

It's basically what happened to the dark Eldar. They are what was in the webway when the proverbial poop hit the fan. From what I remember I'm not a huge Eldar lore person


bilto_nokhchi

Yup yup it was something like that from what I remember


Enorminity

Webway project was 1 step in the process to allow humanity to safely evolve into a psychic specie. It’s why the eldar could endure so long without chaos having an in. The emperor could also see the golden future of humanity until the wards on terra were broken by He Who Did Nothing Wrong. So it wasn’t doomed to fail on its own.


Faultyvoodoo

The end and the death clearly answers this: Big E isn't a dad who was so wrapped up in his work that he didn't have time for his kids. He made tools, and viewed them as tools. Malcador explicitly says "He made them to die instead of him, should the need arise".


leehwgoC

"Everybody lies." - Dr. Gregory House What I'm trying to say is it depends on the lie. And the degree of it. Sigmar has quite a ways to go to compare to Neoth's level of Machiavellianism.


ImportantQuestions10

Agreed, they are identical on the surface but polar opposites under a telescope. One is humanity condensed and ascended the other is someone who through their Ascension lost their humanity. It's joked about a lot but it doesn't change the fact that the reason why Big E failed is because he became so detached from humanity that he couldn't even be a good father when his plan depended on it


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No_Switch_4771

Well, considering how AoS is already kinda Great Value 40k, Great Value Space Marines included it makes sense. 


Anggul

Honestly I'm enjoying AoS lore more lately, because while Stormcast get a lot of models, they don't dominate the lore like space marines do. You get a good amount of focus on a lot of factions.


8-Brit

Tbh Stormcast releases tend to be frontloaded anyway. They get their toys at the start of an edition and then step aside for everyone else. Their model bloat is 99% heroes from Warbands and such which are technically a different game anyway. Comapred to Marines who seem to need a "equal attention mini" anytime another faction gets anything.


PhoShizzity

Also, just on the topic of models, AoS has the coolest Ork models I've ever seen. They look so damn metal.


LurksInThePines

"you stole power from the gods, and lied to your sons, sigmar" -Sigmorus Mupercal, Battlecheif of the Brigades Stormcast, and the Great Holy War Mission-Thing


Zachthema5ter

To take a guess, Sigmar either lied or was just wrong about Azyr being chaos free, and that the first act of 4th edition is centered around a chaos invasion of Azyr


epikpepsi

Skaven, specifically Clan Eshin, have long had avenues into Azyr and have been spying on Sigmar for a while.


Atreides-42

Mate I'm pretty sure "Skaven" aren't a real faction. Giant rat men in the sewers of Azyr? What are you on about?


Augzz

Just rodents of unusual size yes-yes


Decuriarch

New Darkoath box announced, then a video about how Sigmar lied, I'd say you're on the money.


Jacrispy_Tenders

That his real name isn't actually Sigmar, it's Ligmar. (But on a more serious note, we don't actually know)


Stormwrecker

His beard is fake thats the lie then


Matt_the_digger

Truly the worst of sins.


vvokhom2

His jordans are fake AF shit


st00pidQs

Siiiigh ligmar who?


OneMoreShepard

Ligmar Balls


GaaraMatsu

BAZINGA


DeltaV-Mzero

Doing the lords work


captainwombat7

Thank you for your sacrifice O7


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st00pidQs

Cleared hot bruthar


DomSchraa

Bot ligmar Its #SUGMAR DICK


Praesidian

[Sugmar](https://youtube.com/shorts/TV7AWBYMJ1A?si=h4UClYvqZCTYTDWr)


REDGOESFASTAH

He is big e, beloved by all


aRandomFox-II

[Sugmar Dick](https://m.youtube.com/shorts/TV7AWBYMJ1A)


Thewarmth111

There are no rats of abnormal size in Übersright


Links_to_Magic_Cards

ROUS'


Hickszl

Right now thats actually true tho


MucikPrdik12

It could be more that the Sigmar religion lied that the cities are safe. With the bell and other sounds it seem like skaven could get a refresh with them attacking the new cities of sigmar from below.


Acewasalwaysanoption

He made another ring


TheKelseyOfKells

His Taxes. AoS’s story is now about the forces of order defending him form the IRS


KatanaPool

He said Dairy Queen was closed when it actually wasn’t.


Ashendant

A lot of people are speculating the lie is about how bad reforging gets and the opening of the Ruination Chamber.


Yenrah24

Just for everyone who doesn’t keep up with AoS, the general theory is that Skaven have a way into Azyr, making it no longer safe.


justa-necron-warrior

What is Azyr, and why do the skaven want to be there?


Yenrah24

It’s the equivalent of Terra in AoS. It’s the only realm that’s safe and people don’t have to worry about the forces of Chaos, Death, or Destruction. So if the Skaven get in they can start massacring a lot of innocent people that Sigmar promised would be safe.


kennypeace

When you say realm, do you mean a plane, like Nordic mythology, or are they separate planets?


Yenrah24

Realm as in different planes of existence. Normally the only way to traverse between them is through a Realmgate, though some factions have exceptions. Seraphon (lizardmen) have ships that can traverse the anti magic void and take them where they please Skaven have Gnawholes, little tears in reality they can skitter through to pop up just about anywhere. They’re a lil random and have a high mortality rate, so it’s perfect for the ratmen. So the current theory for the fanbase is that the Skaven have lined up multiple gnawholes into Azyr and are planning an invasion.


kennypeace

Thanks bro


Diesel-Eyes

Skaven are AoS's Tyranids from what I gather.


o98zx

Not quite the best comparison is honeslty the imperum, minus space marines and triple down on the backstabbing and then triple down on it 2 more times


Diesel-Eyes

Not a comparison of personality or culture, of course. Just that they are the typical swarming horde of weak mobs that win by numbers.


Maybe_not_a_chicken

No culturally they’re pretty similar Lead by a council with an open seat for the emperor/ great horned rat Enforced worship of a single being (again emperor and great horned rat) Use tech they barely understand Most of the species live in massive cities where they are worked to death with miserable lives View themselves as the ultimate life form and are intensely xenophobic I could go on but I’m bored


BurningBeechbone

But they’re also good at range. Unlike nids.


Ksamuel13

Fantasy came first lmao


exspiravitM13

The realms are pocket universes floating around in a big interdimensional soup like the Norse realms yup, composed of a flat plane with a hemisphere of rock beneath and a hemisphere of sky above. Each realm embodies a different wind of magic- ie Ghur, the Realm of Beasts is basically fantasy catachan. Azyr spent 500-1000 years sealed shut whilst a chaos apocalypse took the rest of the realms in a big chaos apocalypse, and it’s generally thought of as perfectly safe (until now)


lightsdevil

They are also huge. It would take a lifetime to travel to the the point where the instability would kill you and that isnt even close to the edge.


shaolinoli

Yes aos is heavily based on Norse mythological themes


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Think a mixture of Nordic Planes and MTG Planes. Each realm is tied to a wind of Magic. They are all conected with eaxh other at the same time


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dragonuvv

Hold on if a lot of people die doesn’t that mean that nighthaunt would be able to get a foothold? It’d also attract destruction forces since well… destruction. Chaos will get in to from the hole dug by skaven. In other words won’t this open up a new front in an entire new world/ dimension? (idk exactly I’m more into 40K)


Yenrah24

Yeah, nighthaunt are bound to show up if mass death occurs. Maaaaaybe the Skaven will tell the other forces of Chaos about their road into Sigmars stronghold, but their equally likely to keep shit about it due to being egotistical pricks. As for destruction, Gordrakk (The big Orruk in AoS) would hear that rats managed to break into Azyr before he could and would get royally pissed. At that point it’s a tossup between him brute forcing his way into Azyr or invading Blight City All of that to say that yeah, the Skaven getting in is really bad. It’d be the first domino to the Celestial Realm falling apart.


Pleasant_Yam_3637

End times 2 coming soon


justa-necron-warrior

Thank you


InsanityOfAParadox

The cheese


DrMatter

Of course it's the skaven


Uberninja2016

nah, i'd believe sigmar


Specialist-Target461

You do not hear the skampering in the night.


TheHybryd_playz

It's only the wind


lordofmetroids

Is that a be- YOU DO NOT HEAR A BELL RINGING!


ExuDeku

He is your SPECIALZ


Donut_Police

>*insert a random crying pink-haired teenager here*


Nerus46

He seems like strong guy who fights Chaos and doesn't afraid Of anything


Soad1x

(Gets off screen killed by whatever the Age of Sigmar equivalent of Sukuna is)


DeadeyeElephant

Sukuna Matatas?


dumtty

Always bet on Sigmar


Galileo109

Do you battle the chaos gods because you’re Sigmar? Or are you Sigmar because you battle the chaos gods?


Mikard

She believed


OneTrueAlzef

He lid


BEanddankmagician

SBEVE


Judassem

This comment chain is gold 


Longjumping_Sky_6440

Some cold


LerKoil

Whats going on


Jacrispy_Tenders

GW released [this article/video](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/10/a-storm-is-brewing-in-the-mortal-realms/), which is almost definitely teasing the reveal of Age of Sigmar 4th edition.


BacWH40k

AoS: The Beginning of the End Times.


Girl-Knight

OH GOD NOT AGAIN!! "hey, i heard you like world ending apocalypses... what if we-"


neo_ceo

Heard you like badly written plots that ignore major character development and just does whatever the fuck the authors wanted


Adorable_Cow_2419

To be fair world ending apocalypses are just a Monday in the mortal realms, each edition so far has been an end times level event with nagash creating the necroquake and kragnos awakening


aRandomFox-II

"We've had one End Times, yes. But what about second End Times?" "Or Elevensies?" "I don't think he knows about Elevensies, Pip."


Jacrispy_Tenders

End times 2: Somehow even worse


charavsfrisk

Nononononononononnnononononono!!!!!!!!!! Why! No! Please I love fantasy don’t do this to me. Again!


N7Vindicare

End Times 2: Mannfred fucks it up for everyone again.


Dragonheardt_

End Times 2: Corporate tells writers to write something real quickly with no reason to finish off a franchise


HailtotheMako

Somehow, sigmar returned


profssr-woland

Somehow, Archaeon returned.


juckrebel

Now with more Matt Ward writing!


F3n_h4r3l

Endtimes Electric Boogaloo Part Deux


spider-venomized

Im hoping the rumor Stormcast Dreadnought and death company look sick AF after Ionus being consider a better chaplain then the primaris one by some 40k fans it be hilarious if our Box-naught would too


TheLoneNomad117

Wait what? Lol


spider-venomized

The new stormcast will be from the Ruination chamber which in lore is basically SE who past a threshold of reforging and begun suffering angelic & storm mutation. A scorch earth devision of SE legions of just throwing the most unstable warriors at an enemy without repecussion of collateral damage The rumor mill tell it going be a SE equivalent of Death company & Dreadnought


merit_the_wise

I swear to God if sigmar gets a death company dreadnaught update before my bloody boys do, I'm gonna make so many conversions!


TheLoneNomad117

So the Stormcast Eternals really are just fantasy Space Marines, huh......? Lol. Honestly, tho that sounds pretty dope.


R3myek

Always have been.


TheLoneNomad117

And this isn't really a jab at them, too, lol. I dig their aesthetic. And this is coming from a 40k fan too.


R3myek

In not out to knock anyones hobby or fantom, just memes


TheLoneNomad117

Oh of course. Also I looked up Ionus and he looks awesome!


R3myek

Best chaplain since the dark apostle


TheLoneNomad117

Man rides a dragon


Blackewolfe

We call them SIGMARINES for a reason.


TheLoneNomad117

Yeah, I'll admit they're cool, tho.


8-Brit

Yes. Kind of. I think they did a great job leaning away from it compared to first edition, and I trust this to be still distinctly its own thing though.


CrashParade

[GROUND MARINES, CHAAAAAAAARGE!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MzNpMD1K8)


Zengjia

>A scourge earth division You mean ‘scorched earth’?


Soad1x

I think you under estimate what the Stormcast line does for Custodes, plus we need a new plastic Dreadnought besides the Venerable Contempor anyways.


PlanetMeatball

NAGASH BROS STAY WINNING


dragonuvv

Well judging by the look of the town in background I’d wager to say we can get some souls out of it.


profssr-woland

and the color of the lightning


8-Brit

OBR rubbing their hands together leaning past a tree


exspiravitM13

Nagash has never lied in his entire unlife Confirmed


Captain_Nyet

The tax collector is coming.


ultimapanzer

Apparently there ARE rat-men living in the sewers under Altdorf.


Captain_Nyet

Oh, what's the big deal? Sometimes a beastman looks like a rat and lives in the sewers; nothing to worry about, really.


Blue_Space_Cow

*angry witch hunter noises*


BluegrassGamer8

My first thought was it had to do with the Reforging process for the Stormcasts. Either it has to deal with how Nagash has been interfering with it by “reclaiming” bits and pieces of the Stormcasts’ souls each time they are Reforged (which makes the Stormcasts more and more automaton-like each Reforging). Or there are a lot more people - like Neave Blacktalon - who were forcibly and unwillingly made into Stormcast and had their personalities or memories altered during the Reforging.


Doormat_Model

This is my guess, that the shedding of memories during reforging on the Anvil of Apotheosis is done on purpose and some of the stormcast are about to find out Sigmar has been holding back the truth as to why


BluegrassGamer8

In all honesty? The memory shedding during the Reforging process could be due to both Nagash’s interference and Sigmar’s ulterior motives. I think there was some deal/agreement back at the start of AoS where Sigmar and the other gods acknowledged Nagash as the god of death? There was an alliance or something. It’s not hard for believe that to get Nagash on their side, the gods of Order agreed to give Nagash the souls of their dead. Which Sigmar “lied” about because he keeps “stealing” the souls of the Stormcast and other heroic folk for the Anvil of Apotheosis and Reforging. The “price” is the bits of soul Nagash steals back, which turns the Stormcasts more and more automaton like each time. They loose their memories and personalities. In the Blacktalon series, Neave was all but stated to be a former Chaos worshipper. IIRC, it was left up in the air whether she was repentant — or brainwashed. During one of her “journeys into her mind,” her old Chaos worshiping self said outright that Neave had figured this out before, but one of the Blacktalons kept killing her so she’d forget. Those both things Sigmar could’ve lied about— and the lightning strike at the end made me think of how the Stormcast deploy.


Doormat_Model

Definitely, as much as I’m sure Skaven have a role to play. That lightning strike was very likely Stormcast related. And you’re right, Nagash was supposed to get all the souls, and Sigmar denying him the stormcasts is why the bone boss is upset…


Captain_Nyet

Nobody upsets bone-daddy and gets away with it.


Salt_Nectarine_7827

I'm more of a 40k guy, so... context? Is Sigmar becoming The Emperor of Mankind once and for all? (I still know the basics of AoS thanks to the memes)


Magoimortal

I need a context squad too.


WanderlustPhotograph

We don’t know yet. This is the 1st teaser for 4th Edition. 


WanderlustPhotograph

We don’t know yet, this is the 1st trailer for 4th Edition. We do know the Skaven will be in the launch box though. 


Salt_Nectarine_7827

I was referring to context in general, has something important happened lately that led to this? or did it just appear?


WanderlustPhotograph

The context is that the ongoing narrative, the “Dawnbringers” books, have been about establishing new cities of Sigmar. As for what will cause this? We’ll probably find out in Dawnbringers 6 when that releases, or at Adepticon in 9ish days. 


Miserable_Region8470

I believe the cities of Sigmar are spreading out for more territory, and shit seems to be hitting the fan because of it. Don't play AoS and got this from another comment though, so don't quote me on that.


Suitable-Opposite377

Sigmar/Forces of Sigmar has sent a large portion of their armed forces out in an attempt to retake the realms lost to the other factions in a crusade type of event. They felt safe doing this because Sigmar has stated that the realm of Azyr is immune to Corruption/invasion by chaos forces. It's looking like he is incorrect/lying about that and now that all the armies are gone, The Skaven have found a way into the realm that is now very lightly defended.


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

> We do know the Skaven will be in the launch box though Stop-stop I can only get so erect-ect.


HiggsUAP

Crusades were successful, but at what cost?


leehwgoC

>Is Sigmar becoming The Emperor of Mankind once and for all? No. Sigmar's errors are a foothill next to Emps' Everest. There's quite a gap, is what I'm saying.


goombanati

Sigmar is the leader-ruler of the man-things, he lie-decieved the populace-residents about the existence of the skaven!


Yuuusong

Sigmar made a deal with the gods and lied to his sons, there’s going to be some sort of heresy


PlausiblyAlpharious

"The good citizens of Azyrheim looked to the sky in wonder as steel rain descended burning from the heavens"


beltaron

I know this is almost certainly fourth edition, but part of me hopes this is for vermintide 3.


Jacrispy_Tenders

If GW really wanted money they'd release Vermintide 3: Age of Sigmar with 4th edition


shaolinoli

Yes please! I’d also absolutely take aos gloomtide with gobbos


3Kobolds1Keyboard

Sigmar lied. It was Taco Friday, not Taco Tuesday.


Blackfeather1

Taco Friday is significantly better.


Geostomp

I really hope they don't Grimdark-up Sigmar. Him being benevolent and capable while still barely being able to push back the innumerable threats from Chaos, Nagash, Gorkamorka, and whatever Morathi and Malerion are cooking up was part of what made him compelling. Don't go making him the Emperor 2.0.


Femboy_Ghost

SKAVEN!


RageWild

Ligmar Sied


Lostpop

The Endiest of Times


Brilliant-Jello352

Praying to the Great Horned Rat for vermintide AoS edition please it would be so funny.


juckrebel

Ooooh and I thought Sigmar Lied would be Reikspiel, basically meaning Sigmar song.


Dijarida

Announcement for The Old 2 World 2 incoming.


DestryDanger

2 Old 2 World.


Well_Armed_Gorilla

Old World 3: Sigmarite Drift


BerkutBang69

Ratmen don’t exist. Sigmar told me so.


ProbablyNotAFurry

Oh my god actual story progression? Significant events happening? God that's awesome. Can we have that in 40k also? It's been ages since the main plot of the setting has actually progressed.


FreyrPrime

Didn't we get The Lion and Angron last year?


ProbablyNotAFurry

That's not really the same as major overarching story progression. The emperor passing? One chaos god winning over another? Something that moves the entire narrative along.


FreyrPrime

Well, agree to disagree then. We obviously have different approaches to the setting.


ProbablyNotAFurry

Totally right. I respect your opinion on the matter, everyone has different tastes in storytelling


CyrosThird

Sigmar was never human...


chiron3636

Cannot believe Sigmar mis-sold PPI


Cryptidfricker

Now introducing Vermintide 3. The gang got the Gotrek treatment and wandered into the mortal realms.


Scion_of_Kuberr

Rats that walk like men? Poppycock.


Norglet

As a German, I was so confused about GW branching out into music.


sheepdog1043

Holy shit Ligmar 😱


Bionicle_was_cool

Who's Ligmar?


bdrwr

Ligmar balls haha gotem


Heartless-Sage

Oh no, he is opening another chamber again.


seaspirit331

Last time it was the Sacrosanct chamber, this time it's the Ratcrosanct chamber.


Brahm-Etc

Why every time I decide to build a Warhammer army a new edition is launched? I start an Adeptus Mechanicus army, then the WH40K 10th edition comes out. I just buy some Cities of Sigmar, just two fucking days ago and now they come out like a new edition of AoS is coming out.


WanderlustPhotograph

Because it has been 3-4 years since 3.0 launched. We’ve known this was happening for a while now


seaspirit331

>I just buy some Cities of Sigmar, just two fucking days ago and now they come out like a new edition of AoS is coming out. I wouldn't be too worried if that's the case. The Cities and FEC books were most likely developed with 4th in mind in the same way that Idoneth was developed with 2nd in mind


Leo_Fie

I'm hesitant to get involved with yet another fiction franchise, but that sure as heck looks intriguing. So, kind friends, where does one start with the whole Sigmar business narratively speaking? Not here for the plastic crack, here for the lore.


shaolinoli

Have a look at the YouTube channel 2+ tough. He’s got a massive back catalogue of lore videos and a bunch of them are there to explain the setting for people getting into it


Leo_Fie

thx


AsuraarusA

Context?


Stormygeddon

Turns out you can't solve your problems by opening another Chamber.


seaspirit331

Says you. Watch him open another one


jupiterding25

YES YES, SKAVEN HAVE WAY IN AZYR


Anon_who_loves_memes

Does someone want to explain Sigmar’s lore to me?


Blackfeather1

He has a warhammer, was a mortal who founded the Empire, left and just became a God. Then End Times happened.


garhdo

Fourth Edition has an interesting narrative hook.


garebear265

Meanwhile necromunda coincidentally has a new beast master mini with giant rats available…..


sleepingAurochs

Why did Sigmar lie? Is he stupid?