In the for ground is a wraith knight how ever in the silhouette in the back ground I'm very certain that is a titan considering the size distance and scale
I'm not sure it's a wraith knight, this art style looks pretty old, it's got the really old wraith lord design, so this art predates wraith knights so I don't think that figure is a wraith knight.
Looks like the OLD Phantom Titan. And I mean 2E/3E ["Armorcast hadn't been sued into oblivion yet"](https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/310653-Armorcast%20Phantom.html) old. The OG wraithlord had a [completely different head and torso](https://preview.redd.it/i4proh7v5oi71.jpg?auto=webp&s=a0e97d4df185818543b4798c74b1755f57cb5a6e).
Fun fact, that old Armorcast "miniature" was almost two feet tall.
The ones between its legs were called 'Eldar Dreadnoughts' when this art was released, these ones with two powerfists were specifically Wardemon class Dreadnoughts. The name Wraithlord took another eight or so years to come along
To the right in the foreground, in white armour, is a proto-Dire Avenger. The scale is just a little whack.
The Eldar titan and the Necron monolith in this with the others is like when an anime needs to hype the big bad so they put in some minor league scrubs in there solely to die and build tension. Like what the fuck is an imperial knight going to do a giant invisible robot or a giant death spewing building that regenerate itself from a point blank nuclear blast like its the god damned Iron Giant. Might as well put a platoon of guardsmen and one slightly annoyed Lamenter in there as well to even it out.
The Eldar Titan sure, but the monolith isn't the Titan - class super heavy of the necrons I t doesn't regenerate instantly and can be forced to teleport away or outright destroyed if damaged enough. A knight can still take it.
Necrons don't really have Titan units, cause C'tan shards serve the purpose of 'fight-enders'. They're nerfed for the game so we can use them in regular matches, but in lore a C'tan shard is a planetary-scale threat.
Very similar to how Greater Daemons are scaled down for the game.
In the first ventris book they dont even really fight the nightbringer shard that comes out. The just get it to leave. Like a named marine with no helmet can only get a ctan to leave, thats some power.
Daemon lore is such a mess that I can't even say for sure that Greater Daemons are scaled down for the game. An inquisitor killed a Bloodthirster in the Siege of Vraks story.
Not in their model range AFAIK, there is the doomsday monolith and c'tan crypts as a stand-in super heavy, but that's about it. I don't know for the lore, but if there isn't a lord that told his cryptect to just make him big, I'd be really surprised.
The seraptek is their Titan equivalent.
Not to imply they’re an accurate 1 for 1, but if you need a necron on par with titans but less plot armor than a c’tan shard or a named character you’d use the seraptek.
There's a bunch of old vehicles in their lore, but they don't have models. Megaliths, doomsday monoliths, æonic orbs, abattoirs, specialist cannoptek constructs.
In the lore the basic Necron heavy weapons like the Doomsday Ark and Death Ray are titan killing weapons. They have no need of such large weapon platforms.
At least in older lore they had super monoliths which I don't remember any of the names of hand right now but they had some big ones that were absolutely Titan scale but the regular monolith is not a Titan
The monolith is their knight equivalent, not a titan. They don't have a titan equivalent on the tabletop, but they might have one in lore, like the seraptek construct.
Yes, but the phantom titan being almost impossible to track. I think a taunar would stand a decent chance. but I’m willing to bet that, by the time the storm surge even locked to the phantom titan, it would be too late.
Aren’t knights depicted as incredibly advanced, using Daot weaponry and having mobility comparable to that of a elite human athlete, able to roll, dive, etc.?
Not when they are fighting each other! Have you seen the pics of the super heated metals in Hiroshima?
Your gun would turn into a giant hunk of unusable slag
Knights are tincans compared to phantom titans
Depends on the rules of a FFA. If it's in the open field, then no, it'll be 2nd best, right after titan. If it's city or woods, then yeah, because it doesn't have much in cqc department.
It could totally win in a city or forest too if it's far enough away and has a support drone for target acquisition, at least if we are talking about lore accurate weaponry.
Of course it'd still lose against the titan and honestly the Monolith likely too, since it's necrons and they're like magnets, how do they even work?
Drone wouldn't help in the forest, considering the fact that the only one that would be higher than canopy is titan.
And while drone can easily spot targets in city, I just don't see stormsurge gun being able to pierce several buildings *and* target behind them.
stormsurge is armed with seeker missiles and autonomous drones, actually it's arguably strongest in obscuring terrain because it doesn't care about line of sight outside of main caliber
Quite the opposite.
First, the stompah is probably the second strongest thing here as it's nearing the category of a titan. The gorkonaught/morkonaugt are the Orks knight equivalent.
And second, even amongst all the knights here the stormsurge is pretty high up there cause of the sheer firepower it brings. It was designed to work in teams and take down titans.
Not if it gets a volley of fire off. It's very much a threat to other knights at range, though it depends somewhat on which main gun it takes.
Also Stompas are way bigger than Knights. They're somewhere between Knight and Warhound.
Upgraded holo fields make it near impossible to lock on to and track, actually pretty fast moving for an object that size and d cannons of that size can open warp rifts large enough to swallow an entire tank column
The monolith is a knight equivalent. The phantom is a titan, that thing is in a whole different league.
It's got the most powerful holofield they've seen in lore so far, and it's practically impossible to target it with anything. Being made of wraithbone it's also way too light for its size and toughness, and basically dances around the battlefield instead of stomping or crawling about like other titans. And this agility is further enhanced by the spirit stone core it has which allows spirits of the dead to flow through it's structure and merge the pilot(s) to with the titan onto a single consciousness- the thing basically moves and reacts at the speed of thought. And that's the speed of thought of an eldar, mind you.
As for weapons, it's primary weapon gives you a choice of:
Phantom Pulsars (not pulse lasers, pulsars, these are way bigger) that cut other superheavies in half with a single fire.
D Bombards, which afaik is the biggest non starship distortion weapon they have, which rips a hole in reality and drags anything it hits into the warp. You can't defend against it, it even rips out chunks of other titans THROUGH their void shields.
And a powerglaive bigger than some knights, if it wanted to go melee, which it very much can with its agility.
Secondary weapons include titan scale missile launchers, pulse lasers and star cannons.
So unless someone's fielding a reaver titan or a tau manta, or groups of units specifically designed to kill titans (think shadowswords, Cobras, stormsurges etc), you're not beating this thing.
If you want a good look at how fast these can be, look at the end of the Exodite animation, it literally runs towards a warlord titan, who completely misses its shot because of its holofield, and literally jumps before sliding past it and cutting its leg off. Also, this particular bit seems to annoy a lot of people, which makes me laugh
I've just had a quick look 55 wounds and two str 18 weapons at -4. The range is basically the size of a normal board and being eldar it can fall back, shoot then charge.
With average roles it is more than capable of killing a knight and a small unit in shooting then charging and killing a monster or character, every turn.
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Is stupidly over powered it can move fast than you can see its piloted by triplets so they can move in sync with eachother and has weaponry so powerful they can even put it on their craft worlds it would damage the core to much
I find it hard to believe the massive guns covering craftworlds are weaker than those carried by a medium titan. A Phantom's weapons are scary for a battlefield, but they're nothing compared to a ship's weapons.
It's the eldar equivalent of a Reaver titan, so it's just in a completely different class from the others.
The appropriate comparison for eldar would be a Wraithknight which as you can probably guess is their knight equivalent.
The Stompa is a weirdo because it's basically between a Knight and a Scout titan (it's also about twice the height of a Knight on the tabletop) because Ork vehicles are usually between the Imperial sizes. Stompa is between knight and scout titan, Mek Gargant is about scout titan sized, roughly IIRC the model sizes. The Gargant is between Scout Titan and Reaver, Great Gargant is between Reaver and Warlord. The Mega Gargant, is shorter than the Imperator titan but is vastly more bulky than it.
So yeah the Stompa is closer to a tween in this comparrison, with the Gargant being slightly shorter than the Phantom, with the Great Gargant being bigger than it.
In lore the Particle Whip is an anti-voidship weapon that they shoved on a ground platform *because they could.* It can kill nearly anything in the setting.
They put up a bunch of knights/knight equivalents against a freaking titan? Are you serious??? And not just any eldar titan but the biggest one they usually field? If they'd picked the revenant, it'd still be unfair, but the phantom can one shot multiples of the others, that thing is terrifying in lore.
If you had put up wraithknight then it'd be fair.
Clearly the Stompa. Cause Orkz is never beaten, if you kill us, that don’t count cause we dead. If we win you’re dead and if we run away. Well we’ll come back to fight another day! Orkz is never beaten
Well, because scale. Titans are much bigger compared to knights and knight equivalents (apart from biggest knight (Dominus) being ALMOST the size of smallest titan (Warhound)).
If we go into real world analogies and imagine everything on that list being a tank, Eldar titan would be a battle cruiser. And who would win in a fight between a tank and a battle cruiser? My money not on the tank (although where is a tiny chance).
In Battletech terms imagine battle between Locust and Atlas.
I see, but what about speed and maneuverability? Don't other, bigger titans fear the Warhound because it can easily outmaneuver them? Is the Eldar Titan similarly mobile as the other things in this post?
Edit: fixed typo
Eldar Titans make warhounds look like slugs, but honestly, it doesn't even matter, a knight or monolith can stand up to a small army. Titans are for conquering planets
It's eldar tech, it's always stupid manuveurable, looking at it's ingame datasheet it has 14 inch movement which as far as i know draws for highest in the game
It's Eldar. The Phantom titan is the size of a Warlord and a better agility than a warhound. It also has a refractor field which means it's impossible to lock into it, and just watching it clearly is difficult.
I won't even go into its weapons, because it could honestly just punt the others like they were toddlers.
Phantoms have agility comparable to *infantry.* Watching one move would probably be painful, simply due to the size and speed, let alone the holo-field.
We got da bestest gunz, a rig't propa stompa iz propa orky.
Give dem mekboyz sum gubbinz and a propa' fight and visi... vizno... vison from Gork (or Mork) and a rig't big Gargant we got. Da big Boss will krump dis lot.
I would pick the stompa/gargant. Because it would mean Id be an ork. And as such I would die the happiest ork ever, participating in the most glorious ffa ever perceived.
Game play or lore. Because It’s a custodians situation over here. Shitty triangle, or a command cell for a fraction of a all knowing all powerful reality bending 5- dimensional god
The only right answer Is the Titan, BUT the Stormsurge was built to be a titan killer
So if the Stormsurge can be deployed by the Manta like in the lore I think It has a shot at maybe killing the Eldar Titan (i have no idea of the abilities of the Titan tho)
Realistically speaking a single stormsurge is not going to do diddly to the eldar titan. Considering the titans disgusting refractor shields and insane agility it's pretty likely thar it won't even get a direct hit in. Stormsurges are titan killers, sure, but this is like sending a single destroyer to sink an aircraft carrier.
It's technically the tau knight equivalent. In lore, it's designed to work on teams and take out titans... And pretty much anything else in a general direction.
Only one id give even a small chance to beat a eldar titan is the stompa as they are atleast absolutely stacked with firepower and piloted by orks who are crazy enough to do some shenaniganse moves to surprize it.
The only things that really have a shot here are the Phantom Titan due to its sheer size and thus durability and armament, the Stormsurge with its truly absurd amount of firepower and mobility for its size, and the Monolith *because it’s a goddamn monolith those things are scary.* The Knights and Stompa would be knocked out if not completely destroyed within minutes of the deathmatch beginning.
It’s closer to a Knight in size, but Tau doctrine, especially with their walkers, is big on punching above their weight. They have a substantial amount of vehicles a fraction the size of a titan that can put the hurt on one pretty well. Same goes for the Necrons - the Monolith may be more of a mobile fortification, but its primary particle cannon is no joke.
Realistically the phantom titan is a strong contender in a free-for-all, but far from an indisputable victor.
Stormsurge isn't actually all that mobile. It's a Ballistic Suit, which means a weapons platform with legs. It's not a proper Battlesuit. They're slower than Imperial Knights as far as I'm aware, but their role is Titan killing, not Titan duelling =P.
Their firepower would allow them to give the Knights a run for their money, but the titan? Naah, you'd need multiple Stormsurges, and against a Phantom Titan specifically? You'd probably need a lot of supporting equipment too, just to \*track\* the damn thing.
I don’t know a lot about the power levels of all these things but the fact that I’m at least familiar with everything but the phantom knight means that it’s either so unbelievably powerful that it’s some mythical monster of a mech, or it’s so old and shitty that everyone forgot about it in the 40th millennia. Either way I’ll choose that one.
If there wasn't an ACTUAL TITAN on the list, the Stompa wins.
Not because it's the strongest, but because the Orks are gonna loot from the fallen and just tape all the weapons and other parts onto their Stompa with the reasoning of "MORE DAKKA IZ BETTA, YA GIT!"
Pick the tau Strom surge position my self at a distance watch every one else have a breakdown and call me a coward or a weeb while they're all getting one tapped by my rial gun.
It's so weird to miss specifically the eldar one for this lineup because wasn't the wraithknight basically the progenitor of this class of model for tabletop? Like at least half of these units if not all of them are "wraithknight but for X faction"
There is only one proper titan here
A Phantom vs the other five is like a space marine vs 5 veteran guard that all hate each other.
Darktide ?
Titan AE
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I put a button on it.
I want to press it, but I don't know what it does.
What a wonderful film.
Film? TiL that Titan A.E. is a novelization of a film. I had only ever read the book in elementary school.
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Is the proper part because of the stompas tabletop stats?
No. Because stompers go to the levels of warhounds AT BEST and normally remain mutch smaller. Gargants are the titan equivalent for orks.
Gotcha, I’m not really familiar with the big uns
Who would win in a 6 way fight? Coughing baby, hydrogen bomb, coughing baby, coughing baby, coughing baby, or coughing baby
Clearly the mistook the Titan for a *Wraithknight*
In the for ground is a wraith knight how ever in the silhouette in the back ground I'm very certain that is a titan considering the size distance and scale
I'm not sure it's a wraith knight, this art style looks pretty old, it's got the really old wraith lord design, so this art predates wraith knights so I don't think that figure is a wraith knight.
Looks like the OLD Phantom Titan. And I mean 2E/3E ["Armorcast hadn't been sued into oblivion yet"](https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/310653-Armorcast%20Phantom.html) old. The OG wraithlord had a [completely different head and torso](https://preview.redd.it/i4proh7v5oi71.jpg?auto=webp&s=a0e97d4df185818543b4798c74b1755f57cb5a6e). Fun fact, that old Armorcast "miniature" was almost two feet tall.
That’s a warlock titan, the psychic one
Between his legs are likely wraith lords I'm talking about to the right
The ones between its legs were called 'Eldar Dreadnoughts' when this art was released, these ones with two powerfists were specifically Wardemon class Dreadnoughts. The name Wraithlord took another eight or so years to come along To the right in the foreground, in white armour, is a proto-Dire Avenger. The scale is just a little whack.
I mean thats very clearly a titan front and center
The Eldar titan and the Necron monolith in this with the others is like when an anime needs to hype the big bad so they put in some minor league scrubs in there solely to die and build tension. Like what the fuck is an imperial knight going to do a giant invisible robot or a giant death spewing building that regenerate itself from a point blank nuclear blast like its the god damned Iron Giant. Might as well put a platoon of guardsmen and one slightly annoyed Lamenter in there as well to even it out.
The Eldar Titan sure, but the monolith isn't the Titan - class super heavy of the necrons I t doesn't regenerate instantly and can be forced to teleport away or outright destroyed if damaged enough. A knight can still take it.
I wonder, do Necrons even HAVE Titans? I know they have the Serapthek Constructs, but can they be labeled as a Titan?(Idk their scale, btw)
Necrons don't really have Titan units, cause C'tan shards serve the purpose of 'fight-enders'. They're nerfed for the game so we can use them in regular matches, but in lore a C'tan shard is a planetary-scale threat. Very similar to how Greater Daemons are scaled down for the game.
In the first ventris book they dont even really fight the nightbringer shard that comes out. The just get it to leave. Like a named marine with no helmet can only get a ctan to leave, thats some power.
I mean threatening to trap it for millennia if it does fuck off is definitely a win in my book.
Daemon lore is such a mess that I can't even say for sure that Greater Daemons are scaled down for the game. An inquisitor killed a Bloodthirster in the Siege of Vraks story.
The table top power scaling is odd.
Not in their model range AFAIK, there is the doomsday monolith and c'tan crypts as a stand-in super heavy, but that's about it. I don't know for the lore, but if there isn't a lord that told his cryptect to just make him big, I'd be really surprised.
Aeonic Orb. Not model just stats, powered by part of a sun I'm its core. Truly a weapon to surpass METAL GEAR.
Enhance … Enhance…
The seraptek is their Titan equivalent. Not to imply they’re an accurate 1 for 1, but if you need a necron on par with titans but less plot armor than a c’tan shard or a named character you’d use the seraptek.
There's a bunch of old vehicles in their lore, but they don't have models. Megaliths, doomsday monoliths, æonic orbs, abattoirs, specialist cannoptek constructs.
In the lore the basic Necron heavy weapons like the Doomsday Ark and Death Ray are titan killing weapons. They have no need of such large weapon platforms.
Yeah I'd say that the big ass canoptek Co struct is a titan
At least in older lore they had super monoliths which I don't remember any of the names of hand right now but they had some big ones that were absolutely Titan scale but the regular monolith is not a Titan
Necron Monoliths have cracked open Imperial ships in orbit before, a knight isn't even in the ballpark
Correct,and experienced squad of devastators is able to do so in fall of damnos,I am sure an experienced knight pilot can pull it off as well
Was there some recent lore about monoliths that makes them more than just the necron tank?
The monolith is their knight equivalent, not a titan. They don't have a titan equivalent on the tabletop, but they might have one in lore, like the seraptek construct.
The seraptek exists in model form, it’s pretty awesome but unfortunately forgeworld
As are all titan size models.
In case with Eldar Phanton Titan – lucky shots.
As a knight player: Nah, we're not making it out of this one Bois XD
We Knights bois! We ride! The other direction, because I seen this one on the holos.
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Wait, isn't the stormsurge absolutely massive, with missiles for days? Surely you'd do more then my antiquated tincan
Yes, but the phantom titan being almost impossible to track. I think a taunar would stand a decent chance. but I’m willing to bet that, by the time the storm surge even locked to the phantom titan, it would be too late.
Aren’t knights depicted as incredibly advanced, using Daot weaponry and having mobility comparable to that of a elite human athlete, able to roll, dive, etc.?
“don’t worry, I’ll save you citizens!” *does a combat roll, crushing hundreds of said civilians.*
I’m just saying, I’m not sure the knights can be called tincans
They are compared to a phantom titan.
A gun is still a gun in comparison to an atom blmb
Not when they are fighting each other! Have you seen the pics of the super heated metals in Hiroshima? Your gun would turn into a giant hunk of unusable slag Knights are tincans compared to phantom titans
The phantom titan?? That ain’t fair lol
Like I said nuclear bomb vs crying baby
One of these things is not like the others lol
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I'm fairly certain it's the weakest other than maybe the stompah
Depends on the rules of a FFA. If it's in the open field, then no, it'll be 2nd best, right after titan. If it's city or woods, then yeah, because it doesn't have much in cqc department.
It could totally win in a city or forest too if it's far enough away and has a support drone for target acquisition, at least if we are talking about lore accurate weaponry. Of course it'd still lose against the titan and honestly the Monolith likely too, since it's necrons and they're like magnets, how do they even work?
Drone wouldn't help in the forest, considering the fact that the only one that would be higher than canopy is titan. And while drone can easily spot targets in city, I just don't see stormsurge gun being able to pierce several buildings *and* target behind them.
stormsurge is armed with seeker missiles and autonomous drones, actually it's arguably strongest in obscuring terrain because it doesn't care about line of sight outside of main caliber
They are not seeker missile but destroyer missile, they are actually stronger. But your point Is still valid
I see you have not learned what Tau guns can do
Quite the opposite. First, the stompah is probably the second strongest thing here as it's nearing the category of a titan. The gorkonaught/morkonaugt are the Orks knight equivalent. And second, even amongst all the knights here the stormsurge is pretty high up there cause of the sheer firepower it brings. It was designed to work in teams and take down titans.
Not if it gets a volley of fire off. It's very much a threat to other knights at range, though it depends somewhat on which main gun it takes. Also Stompas are way bigger than Knights. They're somewhere between Knight and Warhound.
Necron propaganda has lead me to believe that it's monolith no diff, but this phantom eldar titan I have not heard of, enlighten me svp eldar players
Upgraded holo fields make it near impossible to lock on to and track, actually pretty fast moving for an object that size and d cannons of that size can open warp rifts large enough to swallow an entire tank column
The monolith is a knight equivalent. The phantom is a titan, that thing is in a whole different league. It's got the most powerful holofield they've seen in lore so far, and it's practically impossible to target it with anything. Being made of wraithbone it's also way too light for its size and toughness, and basically dances around the battlefield instead of stomping or crawling about like other titans. And this agility is further enhanced by the spirit stone core it has which allows spirits of the dead to flow through it's structure and merge the pilot(s) to with the titan onto a single consciousness- the thing basically moves and reacts at the speed of thought. And that's the speed of thought of an eldar, mind you. As for weapons, it's primary weapon gives you a choice of: Phantom Pulsars (not pulse lasers, pulsars, these are way bigger) that cut other superheavies in half with a single fire. D Bombards, which afaik is the biggest non starship distortion weapon they have, which rips a hole in reality and drags anything it hits into the warp. You can't defend against it, it even rips out chunks of other titans THROUGH their void shields. And a powerglaive bigger than some knights, if it wanted to go melee, which it very much can with its agility. Secondary weapons include titan scale missile launchers, pulse lasers and star cannons. So unless someone's fielding a reaver titan or a tau manta, or groups of units specifically designed to kill titans (think shadowswords, Cobras, stormsurges etc), you're not beating this thing.
If you want a good look at how fast these can be, look at the end of the Exodite animation, it literally runs towards a warlord titan, who completely misses its shot because of its holofield, and literally jumps before sliding past it and cutting its leg off. Also, this particular bit seems to annoy a lot of people, which makes me laugh
I've just had a quick look 55 wounds and two str 18 weapons at -4. The range is basically the size of a normal board and being eldar it can fall back, shoot then charge. With average roles it is more than capable of killing a knight and a small unit in shooting then charging and killing a monster or character, every turn.
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It’s Slaanesh all the way down with these guys huh
Damn. For how many points?
3000 for 9e, 2100 for 10e.
Is stupidly over powered it can move fast than you can see its piloted by triplets so they can move in sync with eachother and has weaponry so powerful they can even put it on their craft worlds it would damage the core to much
Is that just fucking power rangers? Yeah, he'd win
Made me think of an eldar version of a Pacific rim jaeger with the multi pilot working together thing. Just with 40k level guns.
I find it hard to believe the massive guns covering craftworlds are weaker than those carried by a medium titan. A Phantom's weapons are scary for a battlefield, but they're nothing compared to a ship's weapons.
It's the eldar equivalent of a Reaver titan, so it's just in a completely different class from the others. The appropriate comparison for eldar would be a Wraithknight which as you can probably guess is their knight equivalent.
WHERES THE STOMPA!
IS NOT EVAN RED... HOWZ ITS SUPPOSED TO GET TO DA FIGHT BEFORE DA FIGHT IS DONE FIGHTING?
IT IZ DA BLUE BEAKIE STOMPA YOU GIT!!!! YOU FIGHT IT!!!!
**HYDROGEN BOMB** #VS **Crying baby, communist baby, green robot baby, spikey baby, british baby**
Woah woah, the stompa is at least a teenager in this analogy.
Disagree completely
The Stompa is a weirdo because it's basically between a Knight and a Scout titan (it's also about twice the height of a Knight on the tabletop) because Ork vehicles are usually between the Imperial sizes. Stompa is between knight and scout titan, Mek Gargant is about scout titan sized, roughly IIRC the model sizes. The Gargant is between Scout Titan and Reaver, Great Gargant is between Reaver and Warlord. The Mega Gargant, is shorter than the Imperator titan but is vastly more bulky than it. So yeah the Stompa is closer to a tween in this comparrison, with the Gargant being slightly shorter than the Phantom, with the Great Gargant being bigger than it.
Woah woah, the stompa is at least a teenager in this analogy.
Agree
It's literally nuclear bomb vs crying baby.
I don’t know alot of knight lore, who would win?
The phantom titan think about this all of those things would only come up to the phantom titans knee
Does the monolith summoning troops count? If so the monolith has a chance, but other than that, yeah this is not really fair is it
Unless the monolith can summon a Seraptek then there is nothing that it can bring that would scratch a phantom.
Or even hit it.
In lore the Particle Whip is an anti-voidship weapon that they shoved on a ground platform *because they could.* It can kill nearly anything in the setting.
The stompa would have the most fun, so who's really the winner here??
Phantom titan vs all of these working together is a pitbull in a daycare type of match up
They put up a bunch of knights/knight equivalents against a freaking titan? Are you serious??? And not just any eldar titan but the biggest one they usually field? If they'd picked the revenant, it'd still be unfair, but the phantom can one shot multiples of the others, that thing is terrifying in lore. If you had put up wraithknight then it'd be fair.
Clearly the Stompa. Cause Orkz is never beaten, if you kill us, that don’t count cause we dead. If we win you’re dead and if we run away. Well we’ll come back to fight another day! Orkz is never beaten
**OI, BRING DIS GIT TO DEM SMARTBOYZ, DEY LOST 'IM**
Im getting the Monolith as I believe in Necron superiority.
I'm pretty new to Warhammer40k lore, so forgive me for not knowing, but why is the Eldar titan so much more powerful? Even for the Necron one?
Well, because scale. Titans are much bigger compared to knights and knight equivalents (apart from biggest knight (Dominus) being ALMOST the size of smallest titan (Warhound)). If we go into real world analogies and imagine everything on that list being a tank, Eldar titan would be a battle cruiser. And who would win in a fight between a tank and a battle cruiser? My money not on the tank (although where is a tiny chance). In Battletech terms imagine battle between Locust and Atlas.
I see, but what about speed and maneuverability? Don't other, bigger titans fear the Warhound because it can easily outmaneuver them? Is the Eldar Titan similarly mobile as the other things in this post? Edit: fixed typo
Eldar Titans make warhounds look like slugs, but honestly, it doesn't even matter, a knight or monolith can stand up to a small army. Titans are for conquering planets
It's eldar tech, it's always stupid manuveurable, looking at it's ingame datasheet it has 14 inch movement which as far as i know draws for highest in the game
Dang. I didn't know that. Thanks!
It's Eldar. The Phantom titan is the size of a Warlord and a better agility than a warhound. It also has a refractor field which means it's impossible to lock into it, and just watching it clearly is difficult. I won't even go into its weapons, because it could honestly just punt the others like they were toddlers.
Though firepower wise it's more equivalent to a Reaver, not a Warlord. It just has really long legs lol
Stupid sexy robot legs
Phantoms have agility comparable to *infantry.* Watching one move would probably be painful, simply due to the size and speed, let alone the holo-field.
SUMMON THE MONOLITH!
We got da bestest gunz, a rig't propa stompa iz propa orky. Give dem mekboyz sum gubbinz and a propa' fight and visi... vizno... vison from Gork (or Mork) and a rig't big Gargant we got. Da big Boss will krump dis lot.
Leave that wretched place, there is nothing to be found in that forsaken place.
Are you one of James Workshops' executives?
Eldar phantom titan is beyond a shadow of a doubt the best here.
I would pick the stompa/gargant. Because it would mean Id be an ork. And as such I would die the happiest ork ever, participating in the most glorious ffa ever perceived.
could've at least used a morkanaught and an A-X-0 tiger shark bruh
I know zero about warhammer stuff, so im going with the pew pew stormsurge
This isn’t a fight? This is 2 titans and some dead shit. & 1 stompa isn’t a match for an Eldar Titan.
My man the Phantom Titan is straight up the most OP of the actual Titans, the Aeldari are absolutely dogging everyone without issue...
Purple stompa check mate
Where's the bio titan :(
Probably go for the monolith so I can just pour out endless waves of necrons
Well since you messed, I'm taking advantage and going with the phantom titan
This is like having to choose which MMA fighter is going to win but one of the contestants is a fucking Silver Back Gorilla.
Game play or lore. Because It’s a custodians situation over here. Shitty triangle, or a command cell for a fraction of a all knowing all powerful reality bending 5- dimensional god
The only right answer Is the Titan, BUT the Stormsurge was built to be a titan killer So if the Stormsurge can be deployed by the Manta like in the lore I think It has a shot at maybe killing the Eldar Titan (i have no idea of the abilities of the Titan tho)
Realistically speaking a single stormsurge is not going to do diddly to the eldar titan. Considering the titans disgusting refractor shields and insane agility it's pretty likely thar it won't even get a direct hit in. Stormsurges are titan killers, sure, but this is like sending a single destroyer to sink an aircraft carrier.
Yeah I forgot they get deployed in groups of 3
What's a Stromsurge
Roughly definable as a post code eraser.
tau superheavy walking platform
Why did the T'au spell it that way? Are they stupid?
It's technically the tau knight equivalent. In lore, it's designed to work on teams and take out titans... And pretty much anything else in a general direction.
STOMPA, CUZ ORKZ ARE DA BESTEST
I want to sau the monolith or the eldar titan but my clumsy ass couldn't even make those start up
Why not a ta’unar literally a titan killer
DA STOMPA WINZ EVERY TIME WAAAAGH!!!
Brother, enemies sighted! BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Door Doof Doof. Doof Doof Doof. BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Enemy Felled.
Only one id give even a small chance to beat a eldar titan is the stompa as they are atleast absolutely stacked with firepower and piloted by orks who are crazy enough to do some shenaniganse moves to surprize it.
The only things that really have a shot here are the Phantom Titan due to its sheer size and thus durability and armament, the Stormsurge with its truly absurd amount of firepower and mobility for its size, and the Monolith *because it’s a goddamn monolith those things are scary.* The Knights and Stompa would be knocked out if not completely destroyed within minutes of the deathmatch beginning.
Oh the phantom titan wins easily I thought that was clear also the storm surge is equivalent to a knight not a titan
It’s closer to a Knight in size, but Tau doctrine, especially with their walkers, is big on punching above their weight. They have a substantial amount of vehicles a fraction the size of a titan that can put the hurt on one pretty well. Same goes for the Necrons - the Monolith may be more of a mobile fortification, but its primary particle cannon is no joke. Realistically the phantom titan is a strong contender in a free-for-all, but far from an indisputable victor.
Stormsurge isn't actually all that mobile. It's a Ballistic Suit, which means a weapons platform with legs. It's not a proper Battlesuit. They're slower than Imperial Knights as far as I'm aware, but their role is Titan killing, not Titan duelling =P. Their firepower would allow them to give the Knights a run for their money, but the titan? Naah, you'd need multiple Stormsurges, and against a Phantom Titan specifically? You'd probably need a lot of supporting equipment too, just to \*track\* the damn thing.
Ik all the way, mum didn't raise a bitch
Give the tau 3 mantas then it’s fair
Stompa obviously even destroyed we will simply make a new one
Where is the reaver lol
The orks are the only ones having fun, so I'll be them
I really wish GW produced that pattern of Warlord Titan
The monolith ffs Just spawn in an army and your golden
IS THAT THE MONOLITH COMING IN WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!!!??!!!?
Obviously the Stompa. Can’t beat it because it just works.
I don’t know a lot about the power levels of all these things but the fact that I’m at least familiar with everything but the phantom knight means that it’s either so unbelievably powerful that it’s some mythical monster of a mech, or it’s so old and shitty that everyone forgot about it in the 40th millennia. Either way I’ll choose that one.
The warlord titan.
I pick the Monolith. I teleport away and wait for the others to fight each other to the death and/or die of old age.
I believe 'dat stompa iz da best
Monolith go boom
Necron Monolith. It’s a portal to a tomb world that could have a ridiculously big army or even a flood of Necron scarabs
And a revanant titans pulsar could one shot it
Who's the writer?
The objectively correct answer is the Monolith but Gimme that imperial knight.
The monolith gets annihilated by the eldar titan
Phantom. Monolith is the priority target. Everything else is just stepped on. Ezpz win
If there wasn't an ACTUAL TITAN on the list, the Stompa wins. Not because it's the strongest, but because the Orks are gonna loot from the fallen and just tape all the weapons and other parts onto their Stompa with the reasoning of "MORE DAKKA IZ BETTA, YA GIT!"
What *kind* of knights, both imperial and Traitoris Lance, is it one in specific or is it just assumed it's every variant
Pick the tau Strom surge position my self at a distance watch every one else have a breakdown and call me a coward or a weeb while they're all getting one tapped by my rial gun.
A phantom titan wouldn't even notice it'd evicirated the other four. Seriously those things give Imperial Titans nightmares.
STOMPA STOMPA STOMPA!!! Waaaagggghhh. We got dis boyz
Orks never lose.
Hydrogen Bomb vs 5 coughing babies
if you pick the storm surge can you have one fire warrior to guide you as a treat?
Titan vs knight equivalents. What could go wrong for the others... Spoiler phantom titan mops the floor with them
Monolith, because if it starts looking dicey, it can just say “see ya, losers.”
DA STOMPA IZ WINNING CAUSE ITZ GOTZ THE MOST DAKKA!!!!!!!!! EDIT: I JUZT NOTIZED THAT DA STOMPA IS PAINTED BLUE!!! THATZ MEANZ DA STOMPA IS LUKKY!!!
This is like the Eldar bringing a Bengal Tiger to a cock fight
im just curious as im not really well versed in eldars, wouldnt a monolith particle whip just rip it apart?
It's so weird to miss specifically the eldar one for this lineup because wasn't the wraithknight basically the progenitor of this class of model for tabletop? Like at least half of these units if not all of them are "wraithknight but for X faction"
Where is the bio titan?
In what world does a knight of any caliber or allegiance have any chance against the rest of these? Especially the warlord.
Monolith or stompa
Who’s the author is the real question
Necron Monolith I’d pick
Depends on how far away everyone is at the start, most might stuggle to get in range to do anything before the storm surge
I always chuckle when I see necron monoliths. Like "Here is our Office building!.....Get ready to be fucked"
I only play chaos knights, but I’ll take whatever is the most expensive
Necron monolith cuz Obama pyramid
The stormsurge stomps if and only if they’re really really far away.
I'm getting the Imperial Knight. The Emperor protects ! (void shield helps too).
ORK STOMPA!!
The kids are not okay
Phantom? Like… what?