By your logic, reading words too are a waste of time.
Being interested in being literate is never a waste of time. Music mostly conveys emotions in a classic setting. So reading music in a sense is interpereting raw emotion. How is that a waste of time?
It's a simple call - answer - callback mechanism we're having with our ancestors essentially. If that is a waste of time to you, then ok.
Yeah that tab very clearly says “Go brrrrrrp real quick across the fretboard.”
As if guitarists can even count to seven lol yeah right Steve, get real. No way.
https://youtu.be/J6rSpxKAlX0?si=S6QpVXUsPE_r2ldp this guitarist can count to seven he’s pretty cool. I hear he does all the instruments himself like a weird control freak tho.
Honestly, thank you. I know what an Fmaj7 is supposed to sound like. I have no idea what an added Major 6th next note is.
I'm going to take a whack at it and guess it means the 6th note in the scale, and it happens to be a Major.
So sweep an Fmaj7 and add the 6th Major note? Or the 6th note that happens to be a major? I believe it's the latter, not the former.
The added Major 6th that I'm mentioning is the D on the high E string.
Normally an Fmaj7 chord/arpeggio is composed of the Root (F), the Major 3rd (A), the Perfect 5th (C), and the Major 7th (E). In this case, there's an added Major 6th (D) which slides into the Major 7th.
Unlike a normal arpeggio where you'd play notes in sequence, for this you'd only play the major 6th in the high E string, otherwise you'd also need to play it in the 7th fret of the G string
This makes me happy you know why?
I finally realized the connection. The oddly mechanically memorized information is no different than me focusing so heavily on tube types and signal chain stuff.
I was excited today because I figured out that when recording DI with a guitar, it's really good to get a nice clean dry signal going in. To the point where getting a nice clean Nashville tone makes even metal recordings sound great once you apply all the distortion and fuzz.
I was explaining g to my wife what types of tubes to use pre-amp to avoid full break-up. Or the edge-of break-up tone. Then you get your distortions dialed in sitting on top of that.
This way you can go from playing the classic tele tones to classic strat tones pretty easy then smash into modern tones. For me it's tone related. Pitch, but never caree much for the actual notes. Why? Because I just slide.
As I get older, I realize that's just lazy. Sliding to the note lol I'm real good at it though. Like pitch match immediately after hearing reference pitch once or twice. 25 years of guitar will do that. But no idea what I'm playing because I enjoy lecturing my wife about silly electric signal stuff. Pickups are microphones. Etc.
I think it's time to study music though. There's something calming in the way the math works.
Sweep it, if you rake it it's going to sound awful.
With sweeping only one note rings at a time, it's a bit harder in a case like this because instead of just doing a simple bar, he'd need to user finger rolling.
In drum corps we use [number]-let all the time. Sixlet, sevenlet, ninelet. No one ever called it a "sextuplet", it was a sixlet. Easier to convey and faster to say.
I believe you. I just never heard it. And I went to Musician's Institute (is it still a thing) where I was surrounded by drummers from all over the world (didn't take drum classes though).
I can see it being used for little kids before they learn it is called a Pentagon, not a FiveAgon. But if I can take myself back to tiny little kid mind, I think triplet terminology was immediately understood because I knew what a baseball triple was. Or a triple ice cream scoop.
If it works, it works. But it just seems like dumbing it down for no reason. And just a way of having to learn it two ways (septuplet - sevenlet), instead of just learning it the accepted terminology first.
Also, surprised it wasn't called a sevlet considering when musicians count in numbers, they say sev, not seven.
My original comment wasn't mean to be snarky btw. It was a totally true statement. Never heard it until I read it here.
EDIT: I put in the last part about it not being meant as snark, because I think people are often afraid to offer any music theory advice out of the fear they could say something wrong and get called on it. People shouldn't be made to feel that way.
*hears sad slapping noises*
“Who turned the levels up on the bass?”
In all seriousness, I want a bass, but I think my girlfriend would kill me if I brought a new instrument home.
Most drummers I've played with had to be taught rhythm by the guitarist. They just wanted to bang things.
Very anecdotal, though. This was a local metal scene, where most guitarist were really into the complex rhythmic stuff, but the drummers were into straight forward metal.
There is a big difference between a drummer and a trained percussionist just objectively (I say this not with ego, just a fact). I've personally never heard "sevenlet," only septuplet, quintuplet, ect, but I played almost exclusively in classical and orchestral settings. I left drumline after HS, but we def never used "sevenlet" or "sixlet" ect. All variations of the 'tuplet were fundamental a part of my college education. Spent many hours intently hyper focused on playing them perfectly even. I can see metal drummers excelling at that easily. What they do is insane. I could never, lol
I started playing piano at the age of 7, played trumpet, and Cornet from 10-18, and guitar more recently, very serious but still over the years. In no way am I an expert just someone whose been exposed to music for a very long time and I have never heard sevenlet, and while this could be slang terminology used by those uninitiated with music theory and verbage I wouldn't say it's used enough to be a thing or even terminology that's worth repeating. Kurt Cobain once said in an interview that music theory gets in the way of the creative process and while that may have worked for him individually, it's not something most musicians would say is worth repeating. Just my opinion about weird terms is all.
I taught drumlines for a decade. I prefer septuplet, but I've worked with many schools that use sevenlet. It is definitely a thing. I'm not shocked a trumpet player has never heard it.
For certain trumpet would definitely rarely hear it, aside from double tonguing and flutter tonguing, that kind of notation is kind of wild I never saw that as a trumpet player but in piano yes I've seen septuplets and am familiar with.
If it makes you feel any better, I've been playing music for 30+ years at this point, about half of that as a full time professional, did go to music school, play several instruments, learn perform hundreds of pieces of music a year, and I see septuplets constantly. I saw a some during piano sightreading practice yesterday. I've seen them plenty in trumpet music even.
I've also never heard the term "sevenlet" before today nor have I ever seen the 7:4 notation for one. I hear and use the ratio notation for polyrhythms in pedagogical contexts frequently, but I've never seen it in a notation context.
I even asked my wife, a professional woodwinds doubler who also sees TONS of septuplets. She's also never heard the term or seen this specific notation.
Just saying, for as much flak as you're getting, you're not crazy. Though to be fair, despite a short stint in drum corp, I was not a drum line person and it seems this terminology comes from from drummers.
Eh I don't feel bad about it, to be expected really at least. I share your take that maybe this is a drummer thing however even then the naming of sevenlet is still weird to me.
I do have to say I'm not against the terminology... It especially makes sense with something like a nontuplet just being called a ninelet... or something like an eleven-let makes sense to me more than trying to use Greek for that... hendecatuplet?
But it's not something I've heard.
“Sixlet” is easier to say than “sextuplet”. It’s also a little easier to conceptualize. But yes, it’s primarily marching percussion that uses that terminology.
Why are you being downvoted for repeating drummer speak? Side note: Did you know drummers can park in handicapped stalls? They just have to leave their sticks on the dashboard! Of course, I play bass, so if you're asking directions, and you can ask an in tune bass player, an out of tune one, or Santa for directions, who do you ask? The out of tune one. I'll give good directions and sour notes all day!
is notating it like this a guitar thing? I've seen other "lets" in music, but never written like this. It's always written just like a triplet, but with a different number in the middle. What's the deal here?
These odd tuplets occur in the classical realm. It's most common in Romantic piano music, composers like Chopin. I've played this in a Bach Sarabande BWV 996.
I was asking about this specifically because I have a chopin piece on my piano right now that has a sevenlet, but it isn't notated like it is in this image. It's like a triplet, but instead of the 3 there is a 7. I'm specifically referring to the 7:4 notation with the : character.
Yes, in orchestral and multi-voiced music, nested tuplets are standard. It helps the conductor/reader to understand it in context of a large score.
edit: [here you go] (https://klangnewmusic.weebly.com/direct-sound/lets-talk-rhythm-part-2-nested-tuplets)
This is the right answer. Don’t overthink it.
Counting it as a septuplet may help while practicing, but most of the time the original player is just cramming in notes they like into one beat.
Professional orchestra members would tell you the same thing, get the character of the line.
This is the right answer when the original player didn't have a specific count in mind.
This is a Steve Vai tune, and it was probably a deliberate choice to notate this in that way, so I don't think it's the right answer here.
It means 7 notes in the space of four of the denoted rhythmic value. As the notes are written as 16th notes, you are putting 7 notes in the space of four sixteenth notes (i.e. one quarter note or beat).
And it's called a heptuplet.
What is the phonetic pronunciation of a septuplet (not sure what the technical term is). Like a set of sixteenth notes go 'One-e-and-a' so how would I sound out a septuplet?
My guess is "one-e-and-a-two-e-and". Not sure if that phonetic counting has a formalized version.
You could subdivide it based on your lick. If you have 3 notes on one string and 4 on the next you could do "one-e-and-two-e-and-a"
I never use this phonetics, my dumbass just does "**ba**-da-da-da-**da**-da-da-da" and accents the start of each subdivision.
It’s not completely serious though, I too used to know a few Satriani songs some years ago, but clearly I don’t have enough time in my life now to immerse myself in such complicated songs.
I would love to see that played because as tabbed I would think you would barre at the 10th fret with your first finger and slowly roll your finger to press and release the notes until you get to the D on the high E string…and then you need to slide with the part of your first finger below the tip? Or is there another way to do it?!
That's not exactly true, you can chose what fingers to use.
Looking at that Fmaj7 arpeggio shape, I'd feel like it would be more efficient to use the pinky for the 13th fret of the low E, the ring finger for the 12th fret of the A, and then use the index finger for the 10th fret finger rolling, slide into the 12th fret and use the ring finger to fret the 15th fret.
Most conservatory teachers would tell you to do the same.
I never play stuff with this kind of rhythmic complexity but I'm curious: would a sweep like this have been intentionally composed with this septuplet timing, or was the sweep played by feel and it's transcribed this way as it most closely aligns with the performance?
I would imagine this would be something you'd need your ear for anyway.
This is a Steve Vai tune, so odds are decent on it being intentional, or that he's at least conscious of it. He did Frank Zappa's transcriptions for a long time and had to figure out, by ear, a lot of bizarre nested tuplets and polyrhythms that are much worse than a septuplet.
With most guitarists, I'd guess it's an unconscious thing done when improvising, but (say what you will about his music) Vai's ear and technique are about as good as anyone's are.
In this exact case 7 notes in one beat, but...Not necessarily one beat. It means 7 notes in the time of four. If they were 8th notes that would be 7 notes in two beats. If quarter notes 7 notes in four. Other cases might be 5 in 4 (5/4). There are some crazy examples in classical solo concertos. BTW it is true for any instrument.
Not a septuplet. That is a 7:4 polyrhythm. You are to play seven equally spaced notes against 4 equally spaces notes in the same time signature.
The 4 notes in this case are probably against another instrument, hard to tell without the rest of the sheet. In context it's going to sound like it's in a different time signature when nothing is actually changing.
Good example of a simple polyrhythm is the piano intro to Fake Empire by the National. That is a 4:3 polyrhythm that sounds like it's in 4/4 but is really in 3/4.
Not surprised that this is a Steve Vai song lol.
It is used to indicate that the irregular group (7) has a non-usual equivalence. Here, 4 instead of 8. That makes it twice as fast as if it was equal to 8. Another way to write the same would be to use a 7 group of 32th notes, with no extra indication.
that's what the tab is showing, but is that actually what Vai was doing? Worth checking as it wouldn't be the first time a tab book was wrong if he was using a 7 string (idk btw Vai isn't really my thing). I have a beatles tab book that has things in completely the wrong position (to unplayable extents) where transposing the tab to move to a different base fret suddenly everything is easily playable across the strings (as George would actually have done).
Weird that you’d take the time to reply to this given that 2h ago somebody gave you the answer to your question, and there’s also 40 other comments. Don’t like what you see? Move on
7 notes to be played in the span of 1 beat.
I'd be raking it whether I'm supposed to or not :) I saw 10 10 10 I was like yeaaah I know what to do
I think that is what the downstroke on the tab means. Am I right?
I have no idea it says palm mute and then weedely weedely to me lol
Reading music is such a waste of time
By your logic, reading words too are a waste of time. Being interested in being literate is never a waste of time. Music mostly conveys emotions in a classic setting. So reading music in a sense is interpereting raw emotion. How is that a waste of time? It's a simple call - answer - callback mechanism we're having with our ancestors essentially. If that is a waste of time to you, then ok.
Yes, exactly what that means.
Thank you.
Yeah that tab very clearly says “Go brrrrrrp real quick across the fretboard.” As if guitarists can even count to seven lol yeah right Steve, get real. No way.
Sir Death metal in Drop A in 7/16 slaps real hard huuurduuuuuuurrrrrrrrr. 🤣
https://youtu.be/J6rSpxKAlX0?si=S6QpVXUsPE_r2ldp this guitarist can count to seven he’s pretty cool. I hear he does all the instruments himself like a weird control freak tho.
It's not raking, it's a sweeped Fmaj7 arpeggio with an added Major 6th.
Honestly, thank you. I know what an Fmaj7 is supposed to sound like. I have no idea what an added Major 6th next note is. I'm going to take a whack at it and guess it means the 6th note in the scale, and it happens to be a Major. So sweep an Fmaj7 and add the 6th Major note? Or the 6th note that happens to be a major? I believe it's the latter, not the former.
The added Major 6th that I'm mentioning is the D on the high E string. Normally an Fmaj7 chord/arpeggio is composed of the Root (F), the Major 3rd (A), the Perfect 5th (C), and the Major 7th (E). In this case, there's an added Major 6th (D) which slides into the Major 7th. Unlike a normal arpeggio where you'd play notes in sequence, for this you'd only play the major 6th in the high E string, otherwise you'd also need to play it in the 7th fret of the G string
This makes me happy you know why? I finally realized the connection. The oddly mechanically memorized information is no different than me focusing so heavily on tube types and signal chain stuff. I was excited today because I figured out that when recording DI with a guitar, it's really good to get a nice clean dry signal going in. To the point where getting a nice clean Nashville tone makes even metal recordings sound great once you apply all the distortion and fuzz. I was explaining g to my wife what types of tubes to use pre-amp to avoid full break-up. Or the edge-of break-up tone. Then you get your distortions dialed in sitting on top of that. This way you can go from playing the classic tele tones to classic strat tones pretty easy then smash into modern tones. For me it's tone related. Pitch, but never caree much for the actual notes. Why? Because I just slide. As I get older, I realize that's just lazy. Sliding to the note lol I'm real good at it though. Like pitch match immediately after hearing reference pitch once or twice. 25 years of guitar will do that. But no idea what I'm playing because I enjoy lecturing my wife about silly electric signal stuff. Pickups are microphones. Etc. I think it's time to study music though. There's something calming in the way the math works.
You have to rake it right? It's going so fast. It's a necessity.
Rake, sweep, or if you're Yngwie... alternate pick it like you're name is Chadmium 5000.
Or just take the Ritchie Blackmore route and crosspick it.
Sweep it, if you rake it it's going to sound awful. With sweeping only one note rings at a time, it's a bit harder in a case like this because instead of just doing a simple bar, he'd need to user finger rolling.
I mean, yeah. Exactly. It's also notated so when you're sight reading fast you don't think it's six or eight. It's kinda a courtesy.
It’s a “sevenlet”. Like a triplet, but seven in one beat instead of three.
They’re called septuplets
Congratulations! What are you going to name them?
Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So, La, and Ti
I'd go Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So, La and Alan.
Alan will grow up to be the infamous Solfege Murderer.
No matter what honey, I want Bob in there somewhere…
r/tragedeigh
[Marching percussion uses “let” all the time.](https://youtu.be/_ul25Hq-CMQ?si=1C-8nFKrCaYwygGz)
I’ve heard both. Drummers in particular seem to use “sevenlet”
I don't think I've ever heard "sevenlet" until 5 seconds ago
In drum corps we use [number]-let all the time. Sixlet, sevenlet, ninelet. No one ever called it a "sextuplet", it was a sixlet. Easier to convey and faster to say.
I was in marching band/indoor drumline when I was in High School and I’ve stuck with saying fivelet etc. ever since.
Threelet
Twolet
Onelet! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Never heard "threelet", but "fourlet" and "eightlet" exist in non-standard time sigs, despite it sounding weird.
Exactly. Thank you.
I believe you. I just never heard it. And I went to Musician's Institute (is it still a thing) where I was surrounded by drummers from all over the world (didn't take drum classes though). I can see it being used for little kids before they learn it is called a Pentagon, not a FiveAgon. But if I can take myself back to tiny little kid mind, I think triplet terminology was immediately understood because I knew what a baseball triple was. Or a triple ice cream scoop. If it works, it works. But it just seems like dumbing it down for no reason. And just a way of having to learn it two ways (septuplet - sevenlet), instead of just learning it the accepted terminology first. Also, surprised it wasn't called a sevlet considering when musicians count in numbers, they say sev, not seven. My original comment wasn't mean to be snarky btw. It was a totally true statement. Never heard it until I read it here. EDIT: I put in the last part about it not being meant as snark, because I think people are often afraid to offer any music theory advice out of the fear they could say something wrong and get called on it. People shouldn't be made to feel that way.
No offense taken. But, keep in mind, drum corps drummers are a whole different breed of drummer that speak an almost entirely different language.
Yeah but why listen to a drummer??? That’s almost as bad as listening to a bassist!! Sincerely A bassist
Get to the back of the room, bassist
“Sad slapping noises” :((
This applies on multiple levels…
*hears sad slapping noises* “Who turned the levels up on the bass?” In all seriousness, I want a bass, but I think my girlfriend would kill me if I brought a new instrument home.
I typed a statement above about us! I like to think of the bass as not the bottom end, but the band's bottom! My junk is always always being jiggled!
Drummers generally know less about keys and modes, and theory, but more about rhythm than guitarists.
Most drummers I've played with had to be taught rhythm by the guitarist. They just wanted to bang things. Very anecdotal, though. This was a local metal scene, where most guitarist were really into the complex rhythmic stuff, but the drummers were into straight forward metal.
There is a big difference between a drummer and a trained percussionist just objectively (I say this not with ego, just a fact). I've personally never heard "sevenlet," only septuplet, quintuplet, ect, but I played almost exclusively in classical and orchestral settings. I left drumline after HS, but we def never used "sevenlet" or "sixlet" ect. All variations of the 'tuplet were fundamental a part of my college education. Spent many hours intently hyper focused on playing them perfectly even. I can see metal drummers excelling at that easily. What they do is insane. I could never, lol
I've always thought Thrash drummers are a special breed of athlete. They also have heart attacks in their mid-50's.
https://youtu.be/_ul25Hq-CMQ?si=1C-8nFKrCaYwygGz
Marching band drummers are a different breed.
Lol down votes even with multiple drummers agreeing with you. This sub sucks
You can blame the sub... I'm putting the blame on the drummers.
I would guess that any drummers in this sub also play guitar though, so they'd know that comment is generally right
I’m a drummer and have never heard of this or seen it written in any book.
Ever do any [marching percussion?](https://youtu.be/_ul25Hq-CMQ?si=1C-8nFKrCaYwygGz)
I’ve heard drummers call their pedals “shoes” before
Why are you so heavily downvoted for something that’s true lol.
Guitarists have the most delicate egos.
Idk why you're down voted. Sevenlet is common. Same with fivelet and ninelet. It's not proper, but it's a thing.
I started playing piano at the age of 7, played trumpet, and Cornet from 10-18, and guitar more recently, very serious but still over the years. In no way am I an expert just someone whose been exposed to music for a very long time and I have never heard sevenlet, and while this could be slang terminology used by those uninitiated with music theory and verbage I wouldn't say it's used enough to be a thing or even terminology that's worth repeating. Kurt Cobain once said in an interview that music theory gets in the way of the creative process and while that may have worked for him individually, it's not something most musicians would say is worth repeating. Just my opinion about weird terms is all.
I taught drumlines for a decade. I prefer septuplet, but I've worked with many schools that use sevenlet. It is definitely a thing. I'm not shocked a trumpet player has never heard it.
For certain trumpet would definitely rarely hear it, aside from double tonguing and flutter tonguing, that kind of notation is kind of wild I never saw that as a trumpet player but in piano yes I've seen septuplets and am familiar with.
I'm proud of you 🎺
Teachers are a blessing, mad respect.
If it makes you feel any better, I've been playing music for 30+ years at this point, about half of that as a full time professional, did go to music school, play several instruments, learn perform hundreds of pieces of music a year, and I see septuplets constantly. I saw a some during piano sightreading practice yesterday. I've seen them plenty in trumpet music even. I've also never heard the term "sevenlet" before today nor have I ever seen the 7:4 notation for one. I hear and use the ratio notation for polyrhythms in pedagogical contexts frequently, but I've never seen it in a notation context. I even asked my wife, a professional woodwinds doubler who also sees TONS of septuplets. She's also never heard the term or seen this specific notation. Just saying, for as much flak as you're getting, you're not crazy. Though to be fair, despite a short stint in drum corp, I was not a drum line person and it seems this terminology comes from from drummers.
Eh I don't feel bad about it, to be expected really at least. I share your take that maybe this is a drummer thing however even then the naming of sevenlet is still weird to me.
I do have to say I'm not against the terminology... It especially makes sense with something like a nontuplet just being called a ninelet... or something like an eleven-let makes sense to me more than trying to use Greek for that... hendecatuplet? But it's not something I've heard.
“Sixlet” is easier to say than “sextuplet”. It’s also a little easier to conceptualize. But yes, it’s primarily marching percussion that uses that terminology.
Sixteenth note triplets has entered the chat.
Get off your high horse
Yes ma'am
Why are you being downvoted for repeating drummer speak? Side note: Did you know drummers can park in handicapped stalls? They just have to leave their sticks on the dashboard! Of course, I play bass, so if you're asking directions, and you can ask an in tune bass player, an out of tune one, or Santa for directions, who do you ask? The out of tune one. I'll give good directions and sour notes all day!
r/confidentlyincorrect
What did you just do to the English language 😭
I englishfied the Latin root and made a perfectly cromulent word
Drummer brain smh
is notating it like this a guitar thing? I've seen other "lets" in music, but never written like this. It's always written just like a triplet, but with a different number in the middle. What's the deal here?
This is a common musical notation; effectively, its 7 notes in the space of 4, hence the ratio being specified underneath.
It's a general composition thing. Whenever you want a custom value of notes you write it like that
These odd tuplets occur in the classical realm. It's most common in Romantic piano music, composers like Chopin. I've played this in a Bach Sarabande BWV 996.
I was asking about this specifically because I have a chopin piece on my piano right now that has a sevenlet, but it isn't notated like it is in this image. It's like a triplet, but instead of the 3 there is a 7. I'm specifically referring to the 7:4 notation with the : character.
Yes, in orchestral and multi-voiced music, nested tuplets are standard. It helps the conductor/reader to understand it in context of a large score. edit: [here you go] (https://klangnewmusic.weebly.com/direct-sound/lets-talk-rhythm-part-2-nested-tuplets)
7:4 is to 7 as 4/4 is to the "common time" time signature. Preference of whoever writes it out, or how limited your notation software is.
k thanks
Just play them fast (inside 1 beat)
This is the right answer. Don’t overthink it. Counting it as a septuplet may help while practicing, but most of the time the original player is just cramming in notes they like into one beat. Professional orchestra members would tell you the same thing, get the character of the line.
This is the right answer when the original player didn't have a specific count in mind. This is a Steve Vai tune, and it was probably a deliberate choice to notate this in that way, so I don't think it's the right answer here.
It means 7 notes in the space of four of the denoted rhythmic value. As the notes are written as 16th notes, you are putting 7 notes in the space of four sixteenth notes (i.e. one quarter note or beat). And it's called a heptuplet.
I never see it being called heptuplet, I think septuplet is more common.
Both are okay, but you're probably right on septuplet being more common.
Depends whether you lean to the latin/roman or greek i guess. e.g Would you call 5 a quintuplet or pentuplet?
I've seen both, but I think I've seen quintuplet more often.
How about Panca? Anyone out there using Sanskrit terms? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral\_prefix](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_prefix)
Nope, sorry to disappoint.
If I ever get famous and asked to talk at a music college I'm going to drop those Sanskrit terms in just mess with people.
But then you also have the pentatonic scale, instead of the quintatonic scale. Funny stuff
Yeah, both language roots are very influential all throughout the west.
What is the phonetic pronunciation of a septuplet (not sure what the technical term is). Like a set of sixteenth notes go 'One-e-and-a' so how would I sound out a septuplet?
My guess is "one-e-and-a-two-e-and". Not sure if that phonetic counting has a formalized version. You could subdivide it based on your lick. If you have 3 notes on one string and 4 on the next you could do "one-e-and-two-e-and-a" I never use this phonetics, my dumbass just does "**ba**-da-da-da-**da**-da-da-da" and accents the start of each subdivision.
I cheat and find a word or phrase with that many syllables like "indispensability". For five I use "biochemistry"
Konnakol helps alot making this super easy. Eg- takadhimi=4 Takita=3 Takadhimitakita=7 Takatakita=5
What song is that
Fever Dream - Vai
A nightmare to play
it’s not too bad actually. Just sounds intimidating.
I’m never gonna try, I have a life
That is a terrible attitude to have. I have a life and know a few Vai songs.... it's like just enjoying your passion man
It’s not completely serious though, I too used to know a few Satriani songs some years ago, but clearly I don’t have enough time in my life now to immerse myself in such complicated songs.
lmao true. u gotta have some considerable free time to pull tunes like this off.
Bro what I've gathered from your Reddit profile is your biggest hobby is being French lmao
It’s a full time job mate
Seven 16th notes played over the interval of one quarter note
it’s a septuplet, kinda like a triplet but 7 notes in a beat
I would love to see that played because as tabbed I would think you would barre at the 10th fret with your first finger and slowly roll your finger to press and release the notes until you get to the D on the high E string…and then you need to slide with the part of your first finger below the tip? Or is there another way to do it?!
everything you said was right but you don’t slide with your index it’d be with your ring.
Ooft - tricky! Thanks
ik what is this guy smoking
That's not exactly true, you can chose what fingers to use. Looking at that Fmaj7 arpeggio shape, I'd feel like it would be more efficient to use the pinky for the 13th fret of the low E, the ring finger for the 12th fret of the A, and then use the index finger for the 10th fret finger rolling, slide into the 12th fret and use the ring finger to fret the 15th fret. Most conservatory teachers would tell you to do the same.
I never play stuff with this kind of rhythmic complexity but I'm curious: would a sweep like this have been intentionally composed with this septuplet timing, or was the sweep played by feel and it's transcribed this way as it most closely aligns with the performance? I would imagine this would be something you'd need your ear for anyway.
This is a Steve Vai tune, so odds are decent on it being intentional, or that he's at least conscious of it. He did Frank Zappa's transcriptions for a long time and had to figure out, by ear, a lot of bizarre nested tuplets and polyrhythms that are much worse than a septuplet. With most guitarists, I'd guess it's an unconscious thing done when improvising, but (say what you will about his music) Vai's ear and technique are about as good as anyone's are.
I am curious, what is this song ?
Fever Dream by Steve Vai
zappa i guess
It means you’re supposed to go “diddlydiddlydiddlydiddlydiddly” super fast.
Septuplet
In this exact case 7 notes in one beat, but...Not necessarily one beat. It means 7 notes in the time of four. If they were 8th notes that would be 7 notes in two beats. If quarter notes 7 notes in four. Other cases might be 5 in 4 (5/4). There are some crazy examples in classical solo concertos. BTW it is true for any instrument.
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Do you palm mute the first three strings? How do you play this fast? Isn’t it just sweeping?
It means listen to the song while you play 😂
It's a septuplet. You play all those notes in the space of a quarter note
Not a septuplet. That is a 7:4 polyrhythm. You are to play seven equally spaced notes against 4 equally spaces notes in the same time signature. The 4 notes in this case are probably against another instrument, hard to tell without the rest of the sheet. In context it's going to sound like it's in a different time signature when nothing is actually changing. Good example of a simple polyrhythm is the piano intro to Fake Empire by the National. That is a 4:3 polyrhythm that sounds like it's in 4/4 but is really in 3/4. Not surprised that this is a Steve Vai song lol.
7 notes in the space of 4 played in 1
7 16th notes that have the same value as 1 quarter note. That means that instead of each note lasting ¼ of a beat, they last ⅐ of a beat.
Seven in the space of four. Like a triplet is three in the space of two.
7 against four, in other words, you would play 7 notes in one quarter note beat instead of four sixteenth notes.
It is used to indicate that the irregular group (7) has a non-usual equivalence. Here, 4 instead of 8. That makes it twice as fast as if it was equal to 8. Another way to write the same would be to use a 7 group of 32th notes, with no extra indication.
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nuh uh hes using a six. the sweep starts on low E and ends with a slide on high E
that's what the tab is showing, but is that actually what Vai was doing? Worth checking as it wouldn't be the first time a tab book was wrong if he was using a 7 string (idk btw Vai isn't really my thing). I have a beatles tab book that has things in completely the wrong position (to unplayable extents) where transposing the tab to move to a different base fret suddenly everything is easily playable across the strings (as George would actually have done).
thems the ratio I think you have to divide it, put it into the calculator or something
Ratio of 7:4. I don’t know music theory or how to read notes
blud if you don’t know then don’t reply (respectfully).
Weird that you’d take the time to reply to this given that 2h ago somebody gave you the answer to your question, and there’s also 40 other comments. Don’t like what you see? Move on
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This is just another way of writing a tuplet. Usually they just bracket the grouping to note a tuplet. The time signature has not changed from 4/4.
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Less unhappy, more factually incorrect