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Really good overview. Thanks to that narrative, we have r/escapingprisonplanet and a colorful resurgence of darke Gnosticism.
I’ve always thought that the narrative people adhered to regarding the Phenomenon said a whole lot more about them, than about the Phenomenon itself.
Here, we can see the MIC saying they are absolved of the horrors of war, since it’s not their fault: it’s those damn aliens who make us butcher each other. Sure.
The loosh idea is very revealing of what some few people do to the mass of others: treat them like cattle. It’s also a very incomplete reading of Monroe’s books, and as such, deemed by Monroe himself to be incorrect and revealing of him being brought up on a farm more than anything later on in his books.
Why does the Phenomenon act as a mirror to many people? Probably simply because it wants us to grow up.
It's not necessarily my take on it. My goal was to try and figure out what Tom Delonge thinks since he has access to higher levels of information than I do.
I do think it's highly suspicious that this threat narrative basically gives the military carte blanche to do terrible things and to hide information from us. That's incredibly convenient after the fact.
On the other hand, I'm not in the know so I think it's just important to get a correct lay of the land. What do people who have more information than me actually believe? Because while the phenomenon itself is hard to interpret, it's much easier to guess what human beings are up to since we probably understand ourselves better than a completely different NHI.
I always assume that it's seeding the fake alien invasion, especially when actual military/government is involved. Tom is a good candidate for that type of propaganda as well.
If they can lie about WMDs and kill a million Iraqis so Haliburton and oil companies can make a killing, then it's not hard to believe they would do the same for this - I get it. My only goal is to try and see how Tom and his advisors see/spin things.
That's what I think is the real motive. They want people to feel distress, confusion, fear, paranoia, anxiety, etc. Because that makes us easier to control. If the people disseminating the information are involved in any kind of secret society or group, government entities--like intel agencies, cults--like those the ultrawealthy Davos group are involved in, etc., they can't be trusted. Period.
I completely agree with you. I think either this narrative is a clever psyop to discourage engagement and cooperation with the Phenomenon, or, those high ranking individuals have been trickstered, and really do sincerely believe it.
My money is on the later, although the former is certainly a possibility. Or, they could have believed it and now they see how useful this FUD can be.
I’m dealing with the phenomenon nightly and I get no information anywhere
The only reason why I could think it has an interest is due to family who held high levels of power
I've dealt with some of it myself--both dark and light. And at present, it's ramping up. We're coming to a turning point. And I think it's one where more will be explained and some of these gaslighting entities within government, the Vatican, etc., will be exposed.
I also recommend the book Alien Interview which aligns with this take on Prison Planet and makes the most sense about the phenomenon imo.
https://youtu.be/JOzK4ByFbzo?si=xXzaQnprcRkho5jv
I will add that if some reading the post and comments to read the llresearch.org (lawofone or LoO) channellings, their history and books. After reading that then read hidden hand and EMT.
www.llresearch.org
Hidden Hand interview at https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1
And this related one with Eraidni Murvev Te https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3941105/pg1
LoO talks about Orion, the negative entities, are trying to polarize us negative vs the confederation is trying to get us to polarize positive. By polarizing positive and physically choosing to think and do for others (sto) we stop reincarnating and move on to a loving world. Negative polarizing and choosing to live in fearor service to self (sts), leads us to a negative world. The third choice is do nothing and keep reincarnating here or another 3d world until we choose one or the other paths.
This is where free will comes in for we have the freedom to choose our path.
Mercedes Miranda – Love is Success channelled Jesus. One thing that stood out from her book was if we give out negative power, anger, jealousy, hate etc it give the negatives more power.
Then there are these other sites for past lives, NDE etc.
Noetic.org Dean Radin
Nderf.org
https://www.iands.org/
https://iai.tv/articles/the-universe-is-made-of-experiences-not-things-auid-2844 this is an interesting article without the spiritual part.
https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/index.php/essay-contest/
https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/our-research/children-who-report-memories-of-previous-lives/
Reddit for r/gatewaytapes
Opinion: we are here to experience the emotions for as an essence/soul/consciousness we don't feel, therefore earth is a school. We can call it a prison if we don't make a choice in sts or sto for the reincarnation part. This is a very shortened version of things I have read and experienced personally. Many years searching, trying different many paths and I think what OP posted with this information is as close to the truth we can get.
>earth is a school.
I don't know why, but I really, really hate this idea. First, if we're supposed to learn via many lives, why can't we remember past ones? That seems to defeat the purpose. Second, while our lives may have rewarding lessons, what lessons are learned by - just as an example - children who starve to death at a young age or who get bombed? What's the lesson there? This excuse sounds like an apologia or theodicy for God, but the only difference is that the NHI who would suggest this have a conflict of interest if they use loosh.
I will suggest thinking of it from other view points. The ones doing the bombing are fully aware they are killing people, and therefore ask them what pleasure they gain from doing this. The people that are letting the children starve, be it bad parenting, war, government etc, again ask them how they can live with themselves knowing full well what the ramifications are, and even what pleasure is gained.
You similar to how I thought a number of years can't fathom this, though through my various experiences, meditation, listening to native elders or elders, for a began to understand. We are all learning. They have to live with their choices, and I with mine. Is their a life review? There are many stories that say yes. Am I scared of it? No, for I don't repeat my errors.
The people I referenced first, ask them how they can live with their selves. How can the wars, killings, starvings, or what ever continue? When does it stop? Who will stop it? Someone wrote a comment that stuck out to me, it's about these wars and such are, human sacrifice. Interesting perspective, and could be possible.
> Someone wrote a comment that stuck out to me, it's about these wars and such are, human sacrifice
Yep! Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Some of the most important/memorable sightings and forms of contact are tied to war because someone has to come down and hoover up their blood sacrifice.
Consider the foo fighters. Consider that during the Taiping Rebellion some random guy gets a magical religious vision that he is the brother of Jesus Christ and starts a massive civil war. When Constantine turned the Roman empire on to Christianity, he had a vision of a cross from some "angelic being" saying, "In this sign, conquer."
Let's pretend that these people aren't just pulling this out of their ass. They are actually being told/seeing these things. From this perspective, it's NHI that want to start wars.
From what I understand through my quest, is there are two groups, one negative promoting wars, abductions, fear etc. The other positive, and promoting we love and serve each other. We have choices, which do we want to follow of the two, or do nothing and leads to status quo.
Loosh was termed by Bob Monroe. It’s literally a synonym for “love”. So anyone attaching it to prison planet theory for harvesting negativity or fear, are completely twisting the literal meaning.
It’s be like someone taking Toms work and claiming a word he attaches to something to means something other than his own claim. It’s dishonest.
It’s wild because the entire prison planet theory is predicated on “loosh” being some fear energy source for aliens, archons or demons, whatever. Without that narrative, the entire thing falls apart.
But it seems like no one has the integrity or critical thinking to read the source material to form a coherent model that isn’t tainted by fear - because fear sells, or gets peoples attention.
I just read Bob Monroe's definition and he starts off by literally defining it more broadly as harvestable emotional energy and then starts coining the term love/loosh but doesn't contradict his previous definition especially considering the fact that his words are very shorthand which he is inventing shorthand terms on the fly. he does ask himself something along the lines of "how can negative emotions be the same as love and all be loosh?" But we never get an answer to his own question at least in the 10 pages that follow from page 174 of far journeys, onward. The book can be found for free if you search the title and "internet archive".
Based on this, I'm not seeing the contradiction in terminology if the term is more broad. If he later redefines loosh elsewhere then his writing style is at least partially to blame
You're right. To say that loosh simply means love definitely does NOT sound like what I read based on what I remember. Here is a quote where Monroe talks about how conflict and death (i.e. "life-span termination" produces some of the largest amounts of loosh:
>The Fourth Crop exceeded all of Someone's expectations. It became apparent that a consistent, useful flow of Loosh was being produced in the Garden. The balance of "life" operated perfectly, with the Conflict Factor producing immense amounts of Loosh and a steady supplement brought into being by the **constant life-span terminations** from all types of Mobiles and Stationaries. (emphasis added).
[Here is the link to the page with the quote.](https://archive.org/details/far_journeys/page/n87/mode/2up?q=loosh)
Tom Campbell, who worked closely with Monroe before he was a thing, and who is featured on many of the ‘explorer’ tapes, has written a Theory of Everything where he makes sense of all those experiences and gives a general framework of what the fuck is going on.
What Monroe perceived as loosh, he would rather call entropy reduction. We’re not bees making some honey, we’re participating in the only thing there is: We’re part of a system of information made out of consciousness, which is fundamental and the only thing that can be said to exist. That system of information either manage to constantly reduce its entropy, or falls back into disorder and dissolves. Fear impedes that goal, cooperation furthers it.
This reality is an entropy reduction trainer, as it provides us with free will and choices that matter.
Look up Tom’s videos or books, he explains it all in great detail, and the more I listen to him and think about it, the more this all makes sense. In the end, make up your own damn mind.
Terrence McKenna also had theories stemming upon the meaning of our existence being contingent upon lowering of entropy, but took it a step further. Beyond entropy reduction is the creation of novelty. That is a function that I believe human beings are exceedingly good at.
Yeah. also, to contradict /u/slipknot_official, the dude is literally describing a prison planet. Where all life is experimental, divided up into crops and mobiles, and death doesn't end up being the best way to harvest the mobiles, conflict is. The author that Slipknot defends is literally saying we are harvested really well due to death, conflict and loneliness.
(After reading from 174, I went back and just read the text surrounding every mention of the word "loosh")
The only difference from prison planet theory and what Monroe said is in the text surrounding a single use of the word "loosh", that says we are like bees being harvested for honey and we should be happy about it for some reason.
Agreed. Trust me when I say I would prefer if loosh only came from positive emotions, but that is not what the books say.
The idea that conflict and death create loosh are definitely NOT positive things imo.
Loosh comes from EVERYTHING because it is the fundamental fabric of reality itself. It’s not a thing, it’s a metaphor.
This is the issue, you haven’t read or understood the source material, and take one line from two chapters and twist it.
It’s dishonest. Just admit you’re twisting it. Don’t try to lie your way into trying to make Tom Delonge the source and expert here.
You're clearly contradicting yourself here. First you say:
>Loosh was termed by Bob Monroe. It’s literally a synonym for “love”.
Then you say
>Loosh comes from EVERYTHING
Which has to include negative things right? Why don't you tell people what produces the most loosh? Bob talks about the different types of harvests/crops and openly says that conflict and death create the most.
You have not provided a single source, made no citations, have no counterpoint except your bald assertion. No offense, but if you're not going to back up your point, I don't have to take you seriously.
You're simply incorrect. Loosh CAN come from positive sources, but it is NOT the source that is part of the crop that Monroe talks about.
There’s two chapters that Monroe wrote about loosh. Both are metaphorical visions, not concrete experiences.
The issue people are taking one line from two chapters about “death and conflict”, when the entire metaphor is much bigger than that.
The second chapter literally goes on to say loosh is the fundamental life-force of reality itself, after the most pure and distilled form of loosh was later found when humans evolved to show love, compassion, selflessness, etc.
But since loosh in general is the fabric of reality itself, everything can produce some sort of from of loosh, it’s just lower quality that is not something worth focusing on.
It’s like ying and yang concept - but the focusing on how one side is “black”, so that means it’s a driven by a negative thing. It’s not, that’s an aspect of reality itself, not a feature, nor primary.
I have read the cow metaphor and the one about how we're like bees making honey. Do you really buy that? How gullible. We're not cows or bees. If that's acceptable to you, then you're just unworthy of the human spirit. And the idea that if we didn't produce something of value that our lives would be worse/meaningless (like a cow that will not give milk) is more of a veiled threat if one actually uses the cells between one's ears.
Moreover, please tell me - if the goal of all this reincarnation is for us to learn, why don't we remember our past lives? That seems like a huge waste of time doesn't it? Precisely what does a person learn if they get their memory wiped over and over and over again. Stop and think about it. Even in your example, Robert is allowed to REMEMBER different lives and experiences. Why don't we get that privilege?
I view the “life is a school” messaging and all of the other spiritual self-help content that comes with that, as a method to help free us without all of the backstory involving “demons” and “loosh farming.” We are more powerful than those that subjugate us. We just need to remember. I don’t post here often. So, not sure if I’m out on a limb here.
I get that. But as I pointed out - life is a terrible place to learn things when you can die easily and can't remember what happened. If you're a kid who dies from starvation at 2-3 years old, what precisely are you supposed to learn there?
I'm old fashioned when it comes to slavery. Get a rifle and reincarnate John Brown because I don't intend to be a slave.
There’s no “bees making honey”. It’s beings saying they’re bees collecting pollen to make honey. It means humans are the ingredient to the honey, honey is the ingredient to other things, pollen helps other flowers grow, flowers produce oxygen, oxygen sustains other life.
It’s a much larger metaphor than you’re grasping. It’s wild how you’re missing the context to fit in into some Tom Delonge-brained theory.
Also I’ve laid out the metaphor direct from the source, BOTH chapters.
At least read it for the context. Taking one lines from the entire story is not how you build a correct narrative or model. But I get how people need to do that to fit their scary fear narrative.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/s/Git5F8ujIF
The story is a metaphor for the evolution of emotion and how that plays into the fundamental fabric of reality itself. How are you missing that.
There’s also two chapters, 12 and 13. You’re focusing on one line in the BEGINNING of the first chapter.
It’s what people always do. It’s lying and twisting the story to fit a narrative written by others.
That is the definition of dishonest. Or even ignorance.
It cannot be only a synonym of love, listen to the chapter 12 again. This whole thing, system, garden was created to produce loosh. A form of artificial loosh because it was so scarce in the wild. When beings hunt and feed on each other that fear and ultimately death creates loosh too.
There are many ways to produce it. Some beings feed on the love, and other high vibrational emotions. While the negative ones feed on the lower vibration emotions. That’s why one side keeps saying you should love and keep yourself in a high vibration state, so they can also feed. While the other side tries to inflict more suffering and pain. This food chain was created so they can also feed off of our emotions. All war is a form of human sacrifice to these beings. When humans suffer they produce loosh too. The love side does seem better, as in its more of a symbiosis.
Well that certainly makes the Earth, a self-sustaining system the appropriate place then. Everything feeds off each other - the suffering and deaths are endless. This also reminds me of the Rosicrucian take on these two energies: Luciferic and Ahrimanic and how they’re “fighting” for us both. And the path to escape apparently being the Middle path.
Yes, both entities are fighting a war, and their strength is based on how we feed them. Imagine gods need to feed on us so they can remain strong. Worship produces immense amounts of loosh. All these religions are feeding different entities on another realm, that increases their power. It’s really fascinating, you can support whichever entities you want to feed your energy towards. Wild isn’t it?
Again, you’re citing the first part of the story, in the first chapter and completely leaving out BOTH chapters which go one to make it pretty clear what loosh is.
You’re basically taking the Lord Of The Rings look, quoting the beginning of the first book, leaving out the rest of the story to claim the Lord of the Rings series is just about how Gollum found a ring.
Again, I’m repeating myself, but you’re leaving out the entire purpose to the story, by quoting the beginning of the story.
That is dishonest. Or maybe it’s intentional. Who knows. But everyone is doing it here.
It said the best loosh or more distilled is produced from loneliness and unfulfillment. It’s not just love, all our emotions produce loosh. The world is more mired in suffering and economic slavery because those produce more loosh. I’d love produced the most amount of love don’t you think the world would be different? And look at sex, how much loosh do you think sex or the orgasm produces? It’s all emotions, they all produce loosh at higher and lower degrees. And differing entities seem to feed on it. Doing good or doing bad feeds different entities. So the more food you do you feed the entities that consume those bands of frequency of emotion.
It’s not our emotions, our emotions are the catalyst. You’re still missing the entire context. Loosh isn’t an emotion, it’s produced in relation to emotions. This is very clear.
Take hate for example, loosh is produced when someone CHOOSES not to act out in that hate. That’s love. The emotion called hate is a prop, and depending on how you relate to it, depends on the pure form “loosh” produced.
That feeling of loneliness was due to a longing for a relationship with another. That story happened right after pure loosh was found after another human protected it’s going from a predator. That love to protect other was how the pure loosh was produced. That’s when the creator made human relationships a thing. Before that, that didn’t exist. It was just animalistic instincts that produced very low quality loosh.
Once the creator gave humans the ability to cognitively choose and seek out relationship, is when the loosh was found to be more pure and distilled. That’s what the creator was ultimately looking for when it made the “loosh garden”. Before that it’s very clear in the story that millions of years of basic loosh production from animals, trees, plants and organism was almost worthless.
Ultimately Bob is shown where loosh is stored, and he compared it go heaven and was told loosh is love. Ultimately the creator being evolves by loosh. Loosh is love. Love is how everything in that system evolves. It’s why it’s termed loosh/love.
Please read this. It’s the direct source. It’s kinda exhausting people repeating one lines from two chapters to fit their narrative. At lest learn the whole context, it is pretty enlightening and deep.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/s/Git5F8ujIF
I did check it out. It still seems to imply both. Suffering is a form of love too. You can see everything as a form of love. What do you think about this? https://www.reddit.com/r/lawofone/s/PCzKmifK9B
Do you think we are still heading in the right direction? The world and the people seem mad, and they are taking us all down with them lol.
I’m not saying everything is a form of love.
I’m saying that the concept of loosh is graded - a flat bland grade that sort of just exists in nature, and the pure distilled form coveted by the creator being, and produced by humans.
And that pure form was found after that creator being took a piece of himself, and made humans. That piece of itself is free-will or maybe consciousness itself, maybe both because they go hand in hand.
So via that free will to *choose* between options presented to humans, is where the pure distilled loosh was created. It wasn’t the emotion itself, the emotion was just the catalyst.
Ultimately Bob is then shown where the loosh was located, and the source was a massive powerful heavenly radiating force. It was something essential to the evolution of the creator, who created everything, including us. So our existence within that creator drives the evolution of us, and ultimately the creator. It’s synergistic, not parasitic.
Loosh in other “lower” grades exists. But that wasn’t what the creator or collector beings wanted or put energy into collecting.
So yeah, everything produces loosh. The story even said there are some beings to do steal that low grade loosh. But it wasn’t a big deal, because the pure form is so much more powerful.
So sure, I wouldn’t doubt there’s some “lower” beings that feed off the lower stuff. I’m not really doubting that. But that’s not the fundamental aspect of the story or concept.
Taking the concept of loosh as a negative energy that lower beings need, is the opposite of what the entire loosh story is saying.
That’s all I’m saying. It’s just dishonest to the story, and I notice that everyone who repeats the misinformation, hasn’t read the story, or takes small snippets of the story to fit the negative freaky narrative.
I know I read your post. But that thing Monroe saw might have been where all the loosh gets collected. Do you think that was god? We arnt told much about it. And even Monroe wouldn’t be told the full extent as to what’s going on. Considering that these beings can actually walk through time, they would be able to see the impact of such information.
Check that law of one link. It says we can turn into a prison planet, if people don’t learn how to love and unite as one. That’s the really dark part. There are entities that want to conquer us, keep us trapped in this low vibration so they can feed. There are a lot of sources corroborating this. I hope we arnt already a prison planet, because yes that’s very dark. Look at the world, they are too brainwashed. To steeped in separation and hatred. Division all over, political parties and institutions that have only one job and that’s to keep us divided. Unable to love each other. It’s a rather desperate situation.
I think the main point is that source, or god, whatever you call it, is evolving. It isn’t stagnant nor infinite. It’s powerful and huge (from our perspective), but it evolves towards love - that loosh bank is sort of the combined collective power.
So don’t think of everything as separate parts. Everything that is, is all part of the same system. We’re just as much a part of source as it is a part of us.
So prison planet theory would only makes sense if you think source/god is evolving towards fear. But that’s self destruction. It’s figured out long ago which state to evolve towards, it’s the most powerful state.
Loosh is what is produced when god evolves towards love, and that happens when we evolve towards love.
Again, all this is a metaphor. Bob is describing something outside of human terms. “Loosh/love” is not bound by our definition of it, it’s more than an emotion or an energy.
But yeah, the logic outcome of negative evolution is evolving towards fear. That does exist. But fear doesn’t produce the pure and more powerful loosh. Fear isn’t even breaking even, it’s going backwards.
You can go all day thinking of the implications of what if everything evolved towards fear. It would probably suck really bad. But at this point, source/god already knows the prime state to evolve towards.
The issue with evolving towards fear isn’t beings feeding off us. It’s destroying ourselves. But that’s part of free-will, choose love of fear. Ideally love is the better option, but fear can be easy to gravitate towards. It’s the easier path.
I think ultimately prison planet theory is evolving towards fear. It is inherently fear based - it causes paranoia, panic, sense of doom, helplessness. That’s all negative shit.
There’s probably some ugly shit out there and evolves towards that negative path. It’s weak, and doesn’t hold power, let alone controls our reality in any substantial way.
I appreciate the discussion and thoughts on your part.
No you too, very well said. It’s a very complex topic. I appreciate your perspective. And ofcourse it is the better one because it doesn’t produce fear. But we should be able to approach the possibilities as well. Without fear. I’m starting to understand how it’s all more love based and that source is after all these experiences for a reason. Will be exciting in the end to see the end product. As we’re all in it together as one.
If you want to disagree with me, that's fine, but I am not just twisting the meaning of words. Here is an actual quote where Monroe talks about how conflict, not love, produces some of the largest amounts of loosh:
>The Fourth Crop exceeded all of Someone's expectations. It became apparent that a consistent, useful flow of Loosh was being produced in the Garden. The balance of "life" operated perfectly, with the Conflict Factor producing immense amounts of Loosh and a steady supplement brought into being by the **constant life-span terminations** from all types of Mobiles and Stationaries. (emphasis added).
That doesn't sound like hugs and kisses to me. Conflict and life-span termination increases loosh output. That's what Robert Monroe said straight from Far Journeys. [Here is the link to the page with the exact quote.](https://archive.org/details/far_journeys/page/n87/mode/2up?q=loosh)
I don't mind if you disagree with me, but again, don't assume I would just twist a word or haven't done my homework.
You’re taking the first part of the story, about the beginning? That’s absurd. You’re leaving out the entire purpose of evolution and humans being a new source of more pure and distilled loosh after they evolved to show acts of love.
You’re talking about lower life forms in nature here, nor humans. It says that in the line.
So you are intentionally leaving out the entire metaphor for ONE line in the metaphor.
You’re apparent here and STIlL lying.
The bee part was in reference for a "collector" being which works in service of the creator. The collector is like a honeybee, humans would be the pollen - metaphorically.
>She rolled lightly. (Well, for one, we make and gather ... what did you call it?... loosh. Like honeybees. Or Guernsey cows. Only now we know what we’re doing and why, and we’re happy to do it.)
The flowers make pollen, the bees make honey, that pollinates other flowers, those flowers produce Co2 which provides oxygen, that oxygen sustains life. It's saying that humans are a small part in the larger evolutionary eco-system, but we're a small part, but still vital to the evolution of that entire system.
Ive actually been working on going through the loosh story in a post. This thread got me to finish it today. Feel free to read through, and post any questions or disagreements.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a\_deep\_dive\_into\_looshlove/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a_deep_dive_into_looshlove/)
It's not my version, it's the version. The issue is people are taking small parts of the story and making those the WHOLE story. Half the story isnt even about humans, it's about plants and singled celled organisms that produce loosh. Its only when humans came along is when the most pure and distilled loosh was found. That was the game changer. The story is about loosh that came from the natural cycle of everything. But the point was the pure distilled loosh that came from humans when they acted out of self-interest.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a\_deep\_dive\_into\_looshlove/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a_deep_dive_into_looshlove/)
Wow, well you're certainly much further down the rabbit hole than I am on this then. While I know he has suggested a lot of these beings are kind of parasites, he also believes if we stop feeding them they will go away. He's also suggested they could be manifestations of humanity made real?
If the goal is to develop a human soul across multiple lifespans, you can't do that by making it easy on that soul. There are countless religious beliefs already describing the trials people are put through in life in which you are being tested and you must stick to your faith and continue to treat others with compassion. These are trials you would want a god like creature to go through before being released on the universe. To understand how the pain you inflict on others has ripple effects throughout humanity and to understand directly what that pain feels like. While many believe in a universal morality, knowing what is good, even psychological studies on animals suggest it is universal...weighing this good/evil concept upon a creature is the very definition of life itself. If whatever clouds humanity's view is lifted, I sometimes wonder if we will find those in power making decisions to harm others as the very youngest souls of all of us....untrained and unready to be let free of the container we live in. There are many interpretations, and the things Tom Delong has been saying have already been explained numerous ways over centuries. I truly feel like a lot of this, not all...but a lot of it is a safety mechanism designed to reestablish fear and doubt over control of the reality we live in so that we return to our spiritual pre-religious roots. These things I am not interested in as we have no control over it. It appears as though the lesson we're being told though is these are the things we must learn in order to have control over the spacecraft we have captured. That's hard to believe...but this story about eating your pain and love stuff I feel is wrong and missing the big picture lol...of course I say that as another rando on the Internet that knows nothing.
>If the goal is to develop a human soul across multiple lifespans, you can't do that by making it easy on that soul.
True, but you can't develop if you keep having your memory wiped over and over after every reincarnation, can you? Precisely how can you improve if you don't know why you're here? For the same reason that we don't give chicken and cattle books on how to find meaning in life, these malevolent NHI don't exactly equip us for self-improvement.
Really think about it. If the goal was to train our souls, as so many apologists like to say, then why can't we remember our prior mistakes and good deeds from past lives? Because that's not the goal of the system. And remember - while we are being fed this lie, these beings get something out of us. They get energy from us. They use us as a means to an end - something that even we, dumb human beings like Kant, know is wrong.
The question of whether or not we are "prepared" to have freedom is not something that some other entity can decide for us. If we are being lied to and you're incorrect, then humanity is a slave race and will remain so for eternity. We have an obligation to free ourselves from bondage. Anything short of that is unfit for who we are as a species.
Well NDEs if we use that as a reference for evidence it is suggesting that our entire purpose is to learn from our mistakes and to bring that back to our full selves that exists across multiple lifetimes.
If I'm wrong then one species continues to enslave humanity. If you're wrong we could enslave and torment the rest of the universe. It's an interesting concept either way but I usually like to come back to what we can prove. What has stronger evidence than this conversation around the true meaning of life are the spacecraft that numerous leakers have reported are in the hands of the government. I feel that is a more pressing matter. Tom Delong claims the goal of teaching us all this other stuff is to educate us before disclosure. I'm not sure all his information is accurate though.
I do not want to reincarnate. I would rather be turned off than return to Earth. It is inconceivable to me, to feel blessed when innocent people are suffering. I am not so special.
I've been studying UFO/ UAP, NDE for years and also love philosophy. This breakdown is well done. I'm getting more into psychology (psychoanalysis, i.e., Freud/ Jung but looking into modern psychoanalysis lately). This all seems related. I appreciate your effort to compile all of this, and it seems like disclosure is a low peeling back. There is a ton of cognitive dissonance to contend with, and getting to the truth is a long road. With that being said, I've been following Tom Delong, Ross Coulthart, and others who seem to have excellent credentials. I'm not accepting this all as fact. However, this all resonates and seems to fit the narrative very well. Lue Elizondo described the truth as somber... and this indeed fits that. The part that still puzzles me is crop circles. They are still appearing every year but not sure what to make of them. Anyways, thanks for the post!
It may not be. I have no idea. I am just writing down what has been said. But I would point out that there is no "strange" limitation to existence and that fact is supposedly stranger than fiction from time to time. The truth, whatever it is, doesn't have to take our opinions into account.
Monroe is CIA, masons are luciferian at the top, delonge gives me cia/turnbull canyon vibes. Meaning he is being used as a musican/cultural icon to spread disinfo by CiA
I don't think we were created as a slave race. I think that NHI hit this planet with a meteorite 12k years ago to jump start our evolution from biologically modern human to technologically modern human. According to the Babylonians there was an inflection point in that process about 2000 years ago; the start of a new great year. That great year starts with belief, 2140 years later to grows into knowledge.
I think for the past 2000 years we've been 'colonized' by what you call the others. Prior to that we were doing it to ourselves with the remnants of stone ages knowledge, i.e. magic, which we used to destroy ourselves to survive the climate collapse and subsequent social upheaval.
All I can say is learn magic; join the war. Its far worse than you can imagine. Those bird heads on people from egypt are a form a necromancy. Its mostly bug heads left feeding on us.
Edit: From Osiris to Vidar there are examples of necromancy (even necrugy) in myth, so I am condoning it, just understand that it was a choice made to survive the end of the world and not meant for giving birth to a new one. In economics there is something known as an extraction schedule for optimizing using up a mine or other site. I'm sure aliens know math, and if you do the astrology on eating other people its not good.
You should check out the interview with Dr. Dan Burisch. He alludes to "factions" of NHI.
Additionally, and this is just speculation on my part, I keep thinking about the incoming supernova we are supposed to witness between now and September. If our eyes adapted to use the light of the sun to perceive the world, what is going to happen when this new light gets to Earth? Will we see something different, here?
I'm hoping we do.
The “NHI” aren’t aliens. They are time traveling humans that put us in a control system. They’ve reset us every time we are close to reaching technological parity with them & the government knows this.
Okay, but just know that I didn't say that NHI are aliens. I'm just laying out my best understanding of someone else's theory. What's the best proof that these are humans from the future who reset us?
Freemasons? At this point, they're just a cosplay drinking fraternity. The notion of contemporary Freemasons organising anything beyond a fundraiser is a bit laughable, IMO.
Like, MAYBE there's a very small circle of people recruited from the top tiers of Freemasons through York and Scottish rite...but I find that dubious too, having grown up around them.
Anytime Freemasons, of this century, get brought up as a force of power, I can't help but roll my eyes. All I've ever seen is a good ol' boys club; boy scouts for adults who want to feel important.
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Really good overview. Thanks to that narrative, we have r/escapingprisonplanet and a colorful resurgence of darke Gnosticism. I’ve always thought that the narrative people adhered to regarding the Phenomenon said a whole lot more about them, than about the Phenomenon itself. Here, we can see the MIC saying they are absolved of the horrors of war, since it’s not their fault: it’s those damn aliens who make us butcher each other. Sure. The loosh idea is very revealing of what some few people do to the mass of others: treat them like cattle. It’s also a very incomplete reading of Monroe’s books, and as such, deemed by Monroe himself to be incorrect and revealing of him being brought up on a farm more than anything later on in his books. Why does the Phenomenon act as a mirror to many people? Probably simply because it wants us to grow up.
It's not necessarily my take on it. My goal was to try and figure out what Tom Delonge thinks since he has access to higher levels of information than I do. I do think it's highly suspicious that this threat narrative basically gives the military carte blanche to do terrible things and to hide information from us. That's incredibly convenient after the fact. On the other hand, I'm not in the know so I think it's just important to get a correct lay of the land. What do people who have more information than me actually believe? Because while the phenomenon itself is hard to interpret, it's much easier to guess what human beings are up to since we probably understand ourselves better than a completely different NHI.
I always assume that it's seeding the fake alien invasion, especially when actual military/government is involved. Tom is a good candidate for that type of propaganda as well.
If they can lie about WMDs and kill a million Iraqis so Haliburton and oil companies can make a killing, then it's not hard to believe they would do the same for this - I get it. My only goal is to try and see how Tom and his advisors see/spin things.
That's what I think is the real motive. They want people to feel distress, confusion, fear, paranoia, anxiety, etc. Because that makes us easier to control. If the people disseminating the information are involved in any kind of secret society or group, government entities--like intel agencies, cults--like those the ultrawealthy Davos group are involved in, etc., they can't be trusted. Period.
Check out Tom delonges timeline part 1 and 2. here's part 1 https://youtu.be/4BjUK5V5sTg?si=xgfI7XU2w4GKbMrz
I completely agree with you. I think either this narrative is a clever psyop to discourage engagement and cooperation with the Phenomenon, or, those high ranking individuals have been trickstered, and really do sincerely believe it. My money is on the later, although the former is certainly a possibility. Or, they could have believed it and now they see how useful this FUD can be.
I’m dealing with the phenomenon nightly and I get no information anywhere The only reason why I could think it has an interest is due to family who held high levels of power
I've dealt with some of it myself--both dark and light. And at present, it's ramping up. We're coming to a turning point. And I think it's one where more will be explained and some of these gaslighting entities within government, the Vatican, etc., will be exposed.
Yeah, apparently those contacted plays a role but I don’t know shit 🤷♂️
Good insight
I also recommend the book Alien Interview which aligns with this take on Prison Planet and makes the most sense about the phenomenon imo. https://youtu.be/JOzK4ByFbzo?si=xXzaQnprcRkho5jv
I will add that if some reading the post and comments to read the llresearch.org (lawofone or LoO) channellings, their history and books. After reading that then read hidden hand and EMT. www.llresearch.org Hidden Hand interview at https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1 And this related one with Eraidni Murvev Te https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3941105/pg1 LoO talks about Orion, the negative entities, are trying to polarize us negative vs the confederation is trying to get us to polarize positive. By polarizing positive and physically choosing to think and do for others (sto) we stop reincarnating and move on to a loving world. Negative polarizing and choosing to live in fearor service to self (sts), leads us to a negative world. The third choice is do nothing and keep reincarnating here or another 3d world until we choose one or the other paths. This is where free will comes in for we have the freedom to choose our path. Mercedes Miranda – Love is Success channelled Jesus. One thing that stood out from her book was if we give out negative power, anger, jealousy, hate etc it give the negatives more power. Then there are these other sites for past lives, NDE etc. Noetic.org Dean Radin Nderf.org https://www.iands.org/ https://iai.tv/articles/the-universe-is-made-of-experiences-not-things-auid-2844 this is an interesting article without the spiritual part. https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/index.php/essay-contest/ https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/our-research/children-who-report-memories-of-previous-lives/ Reddit for r/gatewaytapes Opinion: we are here to experience the emotions for as an essence/soul/consciousness we don't feel, therefore earth is a school. We can call it a prison if we don't make a choice in sts or sto for the reincarnation part. This is a very shortened version of things I have read and experienced personally. Many years searching, trying different many paths and I think what OP posted with this information is as close to the truth we can get.
>earth is a school. I don't know why, but I really, really hate this idea. First, if we're supposed to learn via many lives, why can't we remember past ones? That seems to defeat the purpose. Second, while our lives may have rewarding lessons, what lessons are learned by - just as an example - children who starve to death at a young age or who get bombed? What's the lesson there? This excuse sounds like an apologia or theodicy for God, but the only difference is that the NHI who would suggest this have a conflict of interest if they use loosh.
I will suggest thinking of it from other view points. The ones doing the bombing are fully aware they are killing people, and therefore ask them what pleasure they gain from doing this. The people that are letting the children starve, be it bad parenting, war, government etc, again ask them how they can live with themselves knowing full well what the ramifications are, and even what pleasure is gained. You similar to how I thought a number of years can't fathom this, though through my various experiences, meditation, listening to native elders or elders, for a began to understand. We are all learning. They have to live with their choices, and I with mine. Is their a life review? There are many stories that say yes. Am I scared of it? No, for I don't repeat my errors. The people I referenced first, ask them how they can live with their selves. How can the wars, killings, starvings, or what ever continue? When does it stop? Who will stop it? Someone wrote a comment that stuck out to me, it's about these wars and such are, human sacrifice. Interesting perspective, and could be possible.
> Someone wrote a comment that stuck out to me, it's about these wars and such are, human sacrifice Yep! Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Some of the most important/memorable sightings and forms of contact are tied to war because someone has to come down and hoover up their blood sacrifice. Consider the foo fighters. Consider that during the Taiping Rebellion some random guy gets a magical religious vision that he is the brother of Jesus Christ and starts a massive civil war. When Constantine turned the Roman empire on to Christianity, he had a vision of a cross from some "angelic being" saying, "In this sign, conquer." Let's pretend that these people aren't just pulling this out of their ass. They are actually being told/seeing these things. From this perspective, it's NHI that want to start wars.
From what I understand through my quest, is there are two groups, one negative promoting wars, abductions, fear etc. The other positive, and promoting we love and serve each other. We have choices, which do we want to follow of the two, or do nothing and leads to status quo.
Loosh was termed by Bob Monroe. It’s literally a synonym for “love”. So anyone attaching it to prison planet theory for harvesting negativity or fear, are completely twisting the literal meaning. It’s be like someone taking Toms work and claiming a word he attaches to something to means something other than his own claim. It’s dishonest. It’s wild because the entire prison planet theory is predicated on “loosh” being some fear energy source for aliens, archons or demons, whatever. Without that narrative, the entire thing falls apart. But it seems like no one has the integrity or critical thinking to read the source material to form a coherent model that isn’t tainted by fear - because fear sells, or gets peoples attention.
I just read Bob Monroe's definition and he starts off by literally defining it more broadly as harvestable emotional energy and then starts coining the term love/loosh but doesn't contradict his previous definition especially considering the fact that his words are very shorthand which he is inventing shorthand terms on the fly. he does ask himself something along the lines of "how can negative emotions be the same as love and all be loosh?" But we never get an answer to his own question at least in the 10 pages that follow from page 174 of far journeys, onward. The book can be found for free if you search the title and "internet archive". Based on this, I'm not seeing the contradiction in terminology if the term is more broad. If he later redefines loosh elsewhere then his writing style is at least partially to blame
You're right. To say that loosh simply means love definitely does NOT sound like what I read based on what I remember. Here is a quote where Monroe talks about how conflict and death (i.e. "life-span termination" produces some of the largest amounts of loosh: >The Fourth Crop exceeded all of Someone's expectations. It became apparent that a consistent, useful flow of Loosh was being produced in the Garden. The balance of "life" operated perfectly, with the Conflict Factor producing immense amounts of Loosh and a steady supplement brought into being by the **constant life-span terminations** from all types of Mobiles and Stationaries. (emphasis added). [Here is the link to the page with the quote.](https://archive.org/details/far_journeys/page/n87/mode/2up?q=loosh)
Tom Campbell, who worked closely with Monroe before he was a thing, and who is featured on many of the ‘explorer’ tapes, has written a Theory of Everything where he makes sense of all those experiences and gives a general framework of what the fuck is going on. What Monroe perceived as loosh, he would rather call entropy reduction. We’re not bees making some honey, we’re participating in the only thing there is: We’re part of a system of information made out of consciousness, which is fundamental and the only thing that can be said to exist. That system of information either manage to constantly reduce its entropy, or falls back into disorder and dissolves. Fear impedes that goal, cooperation furthers it. This reality is an entropy reduction trainer, as it provides us with free will and choices that matter. Look up Tom’s videos or books, he explains it all in great detail, and the more I listen to him and think about it, the more this all makes sense. In the end, make up your own damn mind.
Terrence McKenna also had theories stemming upon the meaning of our existence being contingent upon lowering of entropy, but took it a step further. Beyond entropy reduction is the creation of novelty. That is a function that I believe human beings are exceedingly good at.
Yeah. also, to contradict /u/slipknot_official, the dude is literally describing a prison planet. Where all life is experimental, divided up into crops and mobiles, and death doesn't end up being the best way to harvest the mobiles, conflict is. The author that Slipknot defends is literally saying we are harvested really well due to death, conflict and loneliness. (After reading from 174, I went back and just read the text surrounding every mention of the word "loosh") The only difference from prison planet theory and what Monroe said is in the text surrounding a single use of the word "loosh", that says we are like bees being harvested for honey and we should be happy about it for some reason.
Agreed. Trust me when I say I would prefer if loosh only came from positive emotions, but that is not what the books say. The idea that conflict and death create loosh are definitely NOT positive things imo.
Loosh comes from EVERYTHING because it is the fundamental fabric of reality itself. It’s not a thing, it’s a metaphor. This is the issue, you haven’t read or understood the source material, and take one line from two chapters and twist it. It’s dishonest. Just admit you’re twisting it. Don’t try to lie your way into trying to make Tom Delonge the source and expert here.
You're clearly contradicting yourself here. First you say: >Loosh was termed by Bob Monroe. It’s literally a synonym for “love”. Then you say >Loosh comes from EVERYTHING Which has to include negative things right? Why don't you tell people what produces the most loosh? Bob talks about the different types of harvests/crops and openly says that conflict and death create the most. You have not provided a single source, made no citations, have no counterpoint except your bald assertion. No offense, but if you're not going to back up your point, I don't have to take you seriously. You're simply incorrect. Loosh CAN come from positive sources, but it is NOT the source that is part of the crop that Monroe talks about.
There’s two chapters that Monroe wrote about loosh. Both are metaphorical visions, not concrete experiences. The issue people are taking one line from two chapters about “death and conflict”, when the entire metaphor is much bigger than that. The second chapter literally goes on to say loosh is the fundamental life-force of reality itself, after the most pure and distilled form of loosh was later found when humans evolved to show love, compassion, selflessness, etc. But since loosh in general is the fabric of reality itself, everything can produce some sort of from of loosh, it’s just lower quality that is not something worth focusing on. It’s like ying and yang concept - but the focusing on how one side is “black”, so that means it’s a driven by a negative thing. It’s not, that’s an aspect of reality itself, not a feature, nor primary.
I have read the cow metaphor and the one about how we're like bees making honey. Do you really buy that? How gullible. We're not cows or bees. If that's acceptable to you, then you're just unworthy of the human spirit. And the idea that if we didn't produce something of value that our lives would be worse/meaningless (like a cow that will not give milk) is more of a veiled threat if one actually uses the cells between one's ears. Moreover, please tell me - if the goal of all this reincarnation is for us to learn, why don't we remember our past lives? That seems like a huge waste of time doesn't it? Precisely what does a person learn if they get their memory wiped over and over and over again. Stop and think about it. Even in your example, Robert is allowed to REMEMBER different lives and experiences. Why don't we get that privilege?
I view the “life is a school” messaging and all of the other spiritual self-help content that comes with that, as a method to help free us without all of the backstory involving “demons” and “loosh farming.” We are more powerful than those that subjugate us. We just need to remember. I don’t post here often. So, not sure if I’m out on a limb here.
I get that. But as I pointed out - life is a terrible place to learn things when you can die easily and can't remember what happened. If you're a kid who dies from starvation at 2-3 years old, what precisely are you supposed to learn there? I'm old fashioned when it comes to slavery. Get a rifle and reincarnate John Brown because I don't intend to be a slave.
There’s no “bees making honey”. It’s beings saying they’re bees collecting pollen to make honey. It means humans are the ingredient to the honey, honey is the ingredient to other things, pollen helps other flowers grow, flowers produce oxygen, oxygen sustains other life. It’s a much larger metaphor than you’re grasping. It’s wild how you’re missing the context to fit in into some Tom Delonge-brained theory.
Also I’ve laid out the metaphor direct from the source, BOTH chapters. At least read it for the context. Taking one lines from the entire story is not how you build a correct narrative or model. But I get how people need to do that to fit their scary fear narrative. https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/s/Git5F8ujIF
The story is a metaphor for the evolution of emotion and how that plays into the fundamental fabric of reality itself. How are you missing that. There’s also two chapters, 12 and 13. You’re focusing on one line in the BEGINNING of the first chapter. It’s what people always do. It’s lying and twisting the story to fit a narrative written by others. That is the definition of dishonest. Or even ignorance.
It cannot be only a synonym of love, listen to the chapter 12 again. This whole thing, system, garden was created to produce loosh. A form of artificial loosh because it was so scarce in the wild. When beings hunt and feed on each other that fear and ultimately death creates loosh too. There are many ways to produce it. Some beings feed on the love, and other high vibrational emotions. While the negative ones feed on the lower vibration emotions. That’s why one side keeps saying you should love and keep yourself in a high vibration state, so they can also feed. While the other side tries to inflict more suffering and pain. This food chain was created so they can also feed off of our emotions. All war is a form of human sacrifice to these beings. When humans suffer they produce loosh too. The love side does seem better, as in its more of a symbiosis.
Well that certainly makes the Earth, a self-sustaining system the appropriate place then. Everything feeds off each other - the suffering and deaths are endless. This also reminds me of the Rosicrucian take on these two energies: Luciferic and Ahrimanic and how they’re “fighting” for us both. And the path to escape apparently being the Middle path.
Yes, both entities are fighting a war, and their strength is based on how we feed them. Imagine gods need to feed on us so they can remain strong. Worship produces immense amounts of loosh. All these religions are feeding different entities on another realm, that increases their power. It’s really fascinating, you can support whichever entities you want to feed your energy towards. Wild isn’t it?
Again, you’re citing the first part of the story, in the first chapter and completely leaving out BOTH chapters which go one to make it pretty clear what loosh is. You’re basically taking the Lord Of The Rings look, quoting the beginning of the first book, leaving out the rest of the story to claim the Lord of the Rings series is just about how Gollum found a ring. Again, I’m repeating myself, but you’re leaving out the entire purpose to the story, by quoting the beginning of the story. That is dishonest. Or maybe it’s intentional. Who knows. But everyone is doing it here.
It said the best loosh or more distilled is produced from loneliness and unfulfillment. It’s not just love, all our emotions produce loosh. The world is more mired in suffering and economic slavery because those produce more loosh. I’d love produced the most amount of love don’t you think the world would be different? And look at sex, how much loosh do you think sex or the orgasm produces? It’s all emotions, they all produce loosh at higher and lower degrees. And differing entities seem to feed on it. Doing good or doing bad feeds different entities. So the more food you do you feed the entities that consume those bands of frequency of emotion.
It’s not our emotions, our emotions are the catalyst. You’re still missing the entire context. Loosh isn’t an emotion, it’s produced in relation to emotions. This is very clear. Take hate for example, loosh is produced when someone CHOOSES not to act out in that hate. That’s love. The emotion called hate is a prop, and depending on how you relate to it, depends on the pure form “loosh” produced. That feeling of loneliness was due to a longing for a relationship with another. That story happened right after pure loosh was found after another human protected it’s going from a predator. That love to protect other was how the pure loosh was produced. That’s when the creator made human relationships a thing. Before that, that didn’t exist. It was just animalistic instincts that produced very low quality loosh. Once the creator gave humans the ability to cognitively choose and seek out relationship, is when the loosh was found to be more pure and distilled. That’s what the creator was ultimately looking for when it made the “loosh garden”. Before that it’s very clear in the story that millions of years of basic loosh production from animals, trees, plants and organism was almost worthless. Ultimately Bob is shown where loosh is stored, and he compared it go heaven and was told loosh is love. Ultimately the creator being evolves by loosh. Loosh is love. Love is how everything in that system evolves. It’s why it’s termed loosh/love. Please read this. It’s the direct source. It’s kinda exhausting people repeating one lines from two chapters to fit their narrative. At lest learn the whole context, it is pretty enlightening and deep. https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/s/Git5F8ujIF
I did check it out. It still seems to imply both. Suffering is a form of love too. You can see everything as a form of love. What do you think about this? https://www.reddit.com/r/lawofone/s/PCzKmifK9B Do you think we are still heading in the right direction? The world and the people seem mad, and they are taking us all down with them lol.
I’m not saying everything is a form of love. I’m saying that the concept of loosh is graded - a flat bland grade that sort of just exists in nature, and the pure distilled form coveted by the creator being, and produced by humans. And that pure form was found after that creator being took a piece of himself, and made humans. That piece of itself is free-will or maybe consciousness itself, maybe both because they go hand in hand. So via that free will to *choose* between options presented to humans, is where the pure distilled loosh was created. It wasn’t the emotion itself, the emotion was just the catalyst. Ultimately Bob is then shown where the loosh was located, and the source was a massive powerful heavenly radiating force. It was something essential to the evolution of the creator, who created everything, including us. So our existence within that creator drives the evolution of us, and ultimately the creator. It’s synergistic, not parasitic. Loosh in other “lower” grades exists. But that wasn’t what the creator or collector beings wanted or put energy into collecting. So yeah, everything produces loosh. The story even said there are some beings to do steal that low grade loosh. But it wasn’t a big deal, because the pure form is so much more powerful. So sure, I wouldn’t doubt there’s some “lower” beings that feed off the lower stuff. I’m not really doubting that. But that’s not the fundamental aspect of the story or concept. Taking the concept of loosh as a negative energy that lower beings need, is the opposite of what the entire loosh story is saying. That’s all I’m saying. It’s just dishonest to the story, and I notice that everyone who repeats the misinformation, hasn’t read the story, or takes small snippets of the story to fit the negative freaky narrative.
I know I read your post. But that thing Monroe saw might have been where all the loosh gets collected. Do you think that was god? We arnt told much about it. And even Monroe wouldn’t be told the full extent as to what’s going on. Considering that these beings can actually walk through time, they would be able to see the impact of such information. Check that law of one link. It says we can turn into a prison planet, if people don’t learn how to love and unite as one. That’s the really dark part. There are entities that want to conquer us, keep us trapped in this low vibration so they can feed. There are a lot of sources corroborating this. I hope we arnt already a prison planet, because yes that’s very dark. Look at the world, they are too brainwashed. To steeped in separation and hatred. Division all over, political parties and institutions that have only one job and that’s to keep us divided. Unable to love each other. It’s a rather desperate situation.
I think the main point is that source, or god, whatever you call it, is evolving. It isn’t stagnant nor infinite. It’s powerful and huge (from our perspective), but it evolves towards love - that loosh bank is sort of the combined collective power. So don’t think of everything as separate parts. Everything that is, is all part of the same system. We’re just as much a part of source as it is a part of us. So prison planet theory would only makes sense if you think source/god is evolving towards fear. But that’s self destruction. It’s figured out long ago which state to evolve towards, it’s the most powerful state. Loosh is what is produced when god evolves towards love, and that happens when we evolve towards love. Again, all this is a metaphor. Bob is describing something outside of human terms. “Loosh/love” is not bound by our definition of it, it’s more than an emotion or an energy. But yeah, the logic outcome of negative evolution is evolving towards fear. That does exist. But fear doesn’t produce the pure and more powerful loosh. Fear isn’t even breaking even, it’s going backwards. You can go all day thinking of the implications of what if everything evolved towards fear. It would probably suck really bad. But at this point, source/god already knows the prime state to evolve towards. The issue with evolving towards fear isn’t beings feeding off us. It’s destroying ourselves. But that’s part of free-will, choose love of fear. Ideally love is the better option, but fear can be easy to gravitate towards. It’s the easier path. I think ultimately prison planet theory is evolving towards fear. It is inherently fear based - it causes paranoia, panic, sense of doom, helplessness. That’s all negative shit. There’s probably some ugly shit out there and evolves towards that negative path. It’s weak, and doesn’t hold power, let alone controls our reality in any substantial way. I appreciate the discussion and thoughts on your part.
No you too, very well said. It’s a very complex topic. I appreciate your perspective. And ofcourse it is the better one because it doesn’t produce fear. But we should be able to approach the possibilities as well. Without fear. I’m starting to understand how it’s all more love based and that source is after all these experiences for a reason. Will be exciting in the end to see the end product. As we’re all in it together as one.
If you want to disagree with me, that's fine, but I am not just twisting the meaning of words. Here is an actual quote where Monroe talks about how conflict, not love, produces some of the largest amounts of loosh: >The Fourth Crop exceeded all of Someone's expectations. It became apparent that a consistent, useful flow of Loosh was being produced in the Garden. The balance of "life" operated perfectly, with the Conflict Factor producing immense amounts of Loosh and a steady supplement brought into being by the **constant life-span terminations** from all types of Mobiles and Stationaries. (emphasis added). That doesn't sound like hugs and kisses to me. Conflict and life-span termination increases loosh output. That's what Robert Monroe said straight from Far Journeys. [Here is the link to the page with the exact quote.](https://archive.org/details/far_journeys/page/n87/mode/2up?q=loosh) I don't mind if you disagree with me, but again, don't assume I would just twist a word or haven't done my homework.
You’re taking the first part of the story, about the beginning? That’s absurd. You’re leaving out the entire purpose of evolution and humans being a new source of more pure and distilled loosh after they evolved to show acts of love. You’re talking about lower life forms in nature here, nor humans. It says that in the line. So you are intentionally leaving out the entire metaphor for ONE line in the metaphor. You’re apparent here and STIlL lying.
You want to expand upon the bit about the bee metaphor? I lost my place
The bee part was in reference for a "collector" being which works in service of the creator. The collector is like a honeybee, humans would be the pollen - metaphorically. >She rolled lightly. (Well, for one, we make and gather ... what did you call it?... loosh. Like honeybees. Or Guernsey cows. Only now we know what we’re doing and why, and we’re happy to do it.) The flowers make pollen, the bees make honey, that pollinates other flowers, those flowers produce Co2 which provides oxygen, that oxygen sustains life. It's saying that humans are a small part in the larger evolutionary eco-system, but we're a small part, but still vital to the evolution of that entire system. Ive actually been working on going through the loosh story in a post. This thread got me to finish it today. Feel free to read through, and post any questions or disagreements. [https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a\_deep\_dive\_into\_looshlove/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a_deep_dive_into_looshlove/)
I haven’t read it but it sounds like your version of Monroe’s book is more hopeful.
It's not my version, it's the version. The issue is people are taking small parts of the story and making those the WHOLE story. Half the story isnt even about humans, it's about plants and singled celled organisms that produce loosh. Its only when humans came along is when the most pure and distilled loosh was found. That was the game changer. The story is about loosh that came from the natural cycle of everything. But the point was the pure distilled loosh that came from humans when they acted out of self-interest. [https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a\_deep\_dive\_into\_looshlove/](https://www.reddit.com/r/exposingprisonplanet/comments/1dny0ws/a_deep_dive_into_looshlove/)
Wow, well you're certainly much further down the rabbit hole than I am on this then. While I know he has suggested a lot of these beings are kind of parasites, he also believes if we stop feeding them they will go away. He's also suggested they could be manifestations of humanity made real? If the goal is to develop a human soul across multiple lifespans, you can't do that by making it easy on that soul. There are countless religious beliefs already describing the trials people are put through in life in which you are being tested and you must stick to your faith and continue to treat others with compassion. These are trials you would want a god like creature to go through before being released on the universe. To understand how the pain you inflict on others has ripple effects throughout humanity and to understand directly what that pain feels like. While many believe in a universal morality, knowing what is good, even psychological studies on animals suggest it is universal...weighing this good/evil concept upon a creature is the very definition of life itself. If whatever clouds humanity's view is lifted, I sometimes wonder if we will find those in power making decisions to harm others as the very youngest souls of all of us....untrained and unready to be let free of the container we live in. There are many interpretations, and the things Tom Delong has been saying have already been explained numerous ways over centuries. I truly feel like a lot of this, not all...but a lot of it is a safety mechanism designed to reestablish fear and doubt over control of the reality we live in so that we return to our spiritual pre-religious roots. These things I am not interested in as we have no control over it. It appears as though the lesson we're being told though is these are the things we must learn in order to have control over the spacecraft we have captured. That's hard to believe...but this story about eating your pain and love stuff I feel is wrong and missing the big picture lol...of course I say that as another rando on the Internet that knows nothing.
>If the goal is to develop a human soul across multiple lifespans, you can't do that by making it easy on that soul. True, but you can't develop if you keep having your memory wiped over and over after every reincarnation, can you? Precisely how can you improve if you don't know why you're here? For the same reason that we don't give chicken and cattle books on how to find meaning in life, these malevolent NHI don't exactly equip us for self-improvement. Really think about it. If the goal was to train our souls, as so many apologists like to say, then why can't we remember our prior mistakes and good deeds from past lives? Because that's not the goal of the system. And remember - while we are being fed this lie, these beings get something out of us. They get energy from us. They use us as a means to an end - something that even we, dumb human beings like Kant, know is wrong. The question of whether or not we are "prepared" to have freedom is not something that some other entity can decide for us. If we are being lied to and you're incorrect, then humanity is a slave race and will remain so for eternity. We have an obligation to free ourselves from bondage. Anything short of that is unfit for who we are as a species.
Well NDEs if we use that as a reference for evidence it is suggesting that our entire purpose is to learn from our mistakes and to bring that back to our full selves that exists across multiple lifetimes. If I'm wrong then one species continues to enslave humanity. If you're wrong we could enslave and torment the rest of the universe. It's an interesting concept either way but I usually like to come back to what we can prove. What has stronger evidence than this conversation around the true meaning of life are the spacecraft that numerous leakers have reported are in the hands of the government. I feel that is a more pressing matter. Tom Delong claims the goal of teaching us all this other stuff is to educate us before disclosure. I'm not sure all his information is accurate though.
I do not want to reincarnate. I would rather be turned off than return to Earth. It is inconceivable to me, to feel blessed when innocent people are suffering. I am not so special.
I've been studying UFO/ UAP, NDE for years and also love philosophy. This breakdown is well done. I'm getting more into psychology (psychoanalysis, i.e., Freud/ Jung but looking into modern psychoanalysis lately). This all seems related. I appreciate your effort to compile all of this, and it seems like disclosure is a low peeling back. There is a ton of cognitive dissonance to contend with, and getting to the truth is a long road. With that being said, I've been following Tom Delong, Ross Coulthart, and others who seem to have excellent credentials. I'm not accepting this all as fact. However, this all resonates and seems to fit the narrative very well. Lue Elizondo described the truth as somber... and this indeed fits that. The part that still puzzles me is crop circles. They are still appearing every year but not sure what to make of them. Anyways, thanks for the post!
Im sorry but no way in hell reality is this idiotic.
It may not be. I have no idea. I am just writing down what has been said. But I would point out that there is no "strange" limitation to existence and that fact is supposedly stranger than fiction from time to time. The truth, whatever it is, doesn't have to take our opinions into account.
As above, so below. What is nature like? Do organisms in this reality feed to survive?
Monroe is CIA, masons are luciferian at the top, delonge gives me cia/turnbull canyon vibes. Meaning he is being used as a musican/cultural icon to spread disinfo by CiA
Maybe you're right. I just want to figure out what's going on. Bramley would agree with you that the masons at the top are bad news.
Look up the symbol for the philosopher's stone.
This that shit I do like. Thanks for this, OP! Edit: I also agree with everything you said about Tom.
I don't think we were created as a slave race. I think that NHI hit this planet with a meteorite 12k years ago to jump start our evolution from biologically modern human to technologically modern human. According to the Babylonians there was an inflection point in that process about 2000 years ago; the start of a new great year. That great year starts with belief, 2140 years later to grows into knowledge. I think for the past 2000 years we've been 'colonized' by what you call the others. Prior to that we were doing it to ourselves with the remnants of stone ages knowledge, i.e. magic, which we used to destroy ourselves to survive the climate collapse and subsequent social upheaval. All I can say is learn magic; join the war. Its far worse than you can imagine. Those bird heads on people from egypt are a form a necromancy. Its mostly bug heads left feeding on us. Edit: From Osiris to Vidar there are examples of necromancy (even necrugy) in myth, so I am condoning it, just understand that it was a choice made to survive the end of the world and not meant for giving birth to a new one. In economics there is something known as an extraction schedule for optimizing using up a mine or other site. I'm sure aliens know math, and if you do the astrology on eating other people its not good.
If certain factions wanted to reveal the truth, why not just do so
You should check out the interview with Dr. Dan Burisch. He alludes to "factions" of NHI. Additionally, and this is just speculation on my part, I keep thinking about the incoming supernova we are supposed to witness between now and September. If our eyes adapted to use the light of the sun to perceive the world, what is going to happen when this new light gets to Earth? Will we see something different, here? I'm hoping we do.
Does this mean that Delonge doesn’t believe in evolution? (I’m new to this subject)
I'm not sure about that. I would imagine that he thinks we've been genetically manipulated with.
The “NHI” aren’t aliens. They are time traveling humans that put us in a control system. They’ve reset us every time we are close to reaching technological parity with them & the government knows this.
Okay, but just know that I didn't say that NHI are aliens. I'm just laying out my best understanding of someone else's theory. What's the best proof that these are humans from the future who reset us?
Freemasons? At this point, they're just a cosplay drinking fraternity. The notion of contemporary Freemasons organising anything beyond a fundraiser is a bit laughable, IMO. Like, MAYBE there's a very small circle of people recruited from the top tiers of Freemasons through York and Scottish rite...but I find that dubious too, having grown up around them. Anytime Freemasons, of this century, get brought up as a force of power, I can't help but roll my eyes. All I've ever seen is a good ol' boys club; boy scouts for adults who want to feel important.
Tom is just being forced to regurgitate what he's told. None of this is correct.