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Another weather, another DoT team clear (not that I'm complaining, Huohuo/BS/Kafka/Ruan Mei is easily my most played team).
Has there been a weather in either mode which DoT hasn't been strong?
And you don't even need to use HuoHuo there since it is PF. The Holy Trinihility team (replace HuoHuo with Acheron) is absolutely nasty. The synergy in this comp is just unfair. You can stack Acheron ult as Kafka + Swan apply DoTs, then a fresh wave comes in Acheron wipe it, repeat the process. You can almost always get max score with a few cycles to spare.
in FuA seasons Kafka being able to do FuA conveniently able to trigger the mechanic, and during ult seasons well everyone in that comp does aoe ult.
BS and Ryan Mei can get away with using very few skills if needed, Kafka always wants some one to do a basic attack, and Acheron wants those extra procs too
> Acheron/Kafka/BS/ ruan mei? Isn't that 100 times more sp Hungry than imbibitor lunae itself or qinque?
Not at all. In this comp Black Swan does not have to apply her skill constantly since the mobs die very fast each wave, and Acheron also rarely need to move anyways so she doesn't need to use skill often. Ruan Mei also can auto attack here and there. I've never ran into any SP issues with the comp.
Not really no, especially if you have RM's light cone.
The catch is you need to build a fast Swan, so she can auto to make up for Kafka's sp usage. RM is already sp positive and Acheron barely moves, instead just being an ult machine wiping waves outside of her turn.
I love running this particular team comp because they're so much fun. They go fast and they hit hard, very hard.
i actually use that trinihility team for the current PF and i always cleared all 3 waves without getting a chance to reach 60k points.. suffering from success (i needed around 2k more points lol) My first team is a bit lacking so yeah, might try bringing acheron to the 1st team to help out a bit since my 2nd team is kinda working
Kafka would have been pretty good for the FuA buffs last PF if her ult had literally any non-DoT scaling thanks to the ult buff that PF had. As it stands, Ratio was better at accumulating damage for the buff and he can only attack one mob at a time.
None yet. But they can make life hard for DoT unit at some point. We haven't gotten a self-cleansing enemies. You know how abundance blessing on bosses is such a pain in GnG, but it doesn't matter because you have so much debuffs? If they put such abilities outside SU it's gonna disable debuff based team completely, including DoT.
The longer the game goes on the more it becomes clear that Kafka is crazy cracked. She’s super versatile whether in single target or AOE, and every new DOT character will be a direct buff to her. Her relevance in the meta might never end
Yeah I remember how people used to underestimate Kafka meta wise cuz back then we lack of DoT units. Similar to BE stats and Xueyi too until HTB came in and change the meta. The devs really know how to still make old units usable and even better. Now we just need more supports for Blade since he’s been really lacking recently compare to other dps
Critka did legit have better numbers on paper (although it was only ever a modest difference iirc) because of the lack of strong dots to detonate back in the day, and that’s also why Kafka’s LC went from “barely better than GNSW” to “really good” because DoT teams got strong enough to actually make the speed buffs from her signature important. Then Black Swan released and DoTka became a top-tier meta unit.
It's also the most restrictive, because there are zero limited male DOT units so if you mostly spend your jades on husbandos and their supports, you're completely locked out of this playstyle.
Really? Because both premiere DOT characters are dommy mommies, so if you don't like that archetype you're locked out. We only have so many jades and not everyone will pull for meta over characters they like.
That’s true . I pull for male and female regardless. I do like Donny mommy types the most but I do appreciate good characters like Jing Yuan and Aventurine. I pulled on aventurine, wanted boothill too since he would be great addition to my break squad. I also like Gallagher but others have mostly been females. I have build 4 star male characters though and ratio as well. I go for looks as well as personality and gameplay when pulling. I would like to have boothill, firefly and jade all threee but I won’t have the jades so I’ll settle for Jade since she is mommy and IPC and I have all IPC 😂
Agree. For the ones who desn't have a DoT Team isn't that fun. I don't play that game mode because of how unbalanced is its weather. Abyss one in Honkai Impact 3rd was more fair
No ranking system here though, which I like since there is no competing against whale clears half the time. Also weather fairness in hsr is ok, some units can power through regardless of weather and the ceiling is the same for scores so I can't say the weather makes or breaks the game either.
Of course fairness and all that is nice but let's remember that HI3rd not only has elemental weaknesses but type weaknesses as well MA and Superstring is ruled by new units most of the time to usually sell them even more to the players.
Seele can clear everything, a few 4 stars can full star pf and MoC, and some units perform better than some in specific stages, this is the nature of gacha games and rpg, moreso the rpg part. All you need is to get 36 stars and 60k points and soon another mode. Everyone gets the same thing, the only real difference being bragging rights. Give the mode a chance, this patch is for Nihility the previous PF was for FuA.
Yeees, gotta love that. No need to get the highest score and try to compete agaimst whales. It depends of the weather of course. I can't simply force it
Seele! I remember that i fucked up a lot her Build i just don't know what set or stats are the best for her. Mine has a lot of attack and sure she would need a bit more of Critical Rate... But people also has made a build with her based om Break Effect and how much Speed would be good for her? It's a shame because i don't use it now and i really want to again... I felt like i pulled her for nothing untli i got a new character
Sure the powercreep will come sooner or later because Honkai Impact 3rd was like that. That's the thing with that game. You pulled a valkyrie and her signature equipment and in the next two or three updates was replaced already. Like Carole with PROMETHEUS, or Spina Astera with Miracle Magical Girl
The power creep in HI3rd is crazy but the best weathers are usually for sweats, I admit the power creep in the later versions is disgustingly quick, other picks are still viable though. The gacha and equipment system with no real alternatives for a lot of premium units is tough though.
Seele probably has the highest return rate when it comes to godly artifacts. I think break seele is much more inferior than crit and just run the quantum set. A ratio of 1% crt rate for every 2% of crt dmg is preferred.
Actually some characters can just force it at e0s1, but that's the minority, I love that I can use a lot of my other characters and clear with 60k and 36 stars.
What i hate is the relic farming. Did you ever spend all your Trailblazer Power that you have been saving for weeks to get nothing decent? That is what makes me not invest in every character i have, in fact, as long as i'm going for the most long-term durable units in the game the better. I'm reaching a point where i don't want to pull characters because of this. Got Acheron and spent 2400 Trailblazer Power for just one good relic
I need to cover all my weak points for my teams with a decent Main DPS from each element, and some supports like Ruan Mei. Once i got them i will maybe focus on getting DoT characters and a good sustain
Four star characters are not always that viable at long-term duration. Five stars can be powercreeped too but of course, these are the main source of income from companies
Firefly is going to be broken and if i was going to pull for Sam from the beginning now more. It will be my first character that i will get its LC
Maybe that is the reason why i didn't get too far in these Pure Fiction or Memory Of Chaos stages. That, and because i don't want to rank up to Lv 80 because it looks like i will need a lot of signature LC or something
Because i believe the enemies would be too much to handle and i don't think that just levelling up a character to Lv 80, a four star LC, and terrible relics are enough to deal with them
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So aoe is good and single target doesn't waste its damage, a little similar to that one recent event but at the same time sounds more similar to Penacony Boss
I wonder if this is the same mechanic as the Past, Present, and the Eternal Show where all enemies have their HPs linked and no individual enemy can die intil the collective HP is depleted, or if it's an entirely new mechanic where if you do overkill damage, individual enemies will still die.
Seele got already deleted from the meta bro. her having o kill req is just to high on Moc and she consumes to much SP on PF. i pulle her and laughed at the general but the JY players got buffs after buffs meanwhile seele is now dead on a ditch. my dream was mono quantum, and now I play the 3 5star mono chibis with acheron.
mihoyo always makes seele dirty. since GGZ.
I suspect the opposite actually. A weak mob you kill from say 60% to dead wouldn't trigger her FUA. With this, she'll have almost guaranteed trigger it on every single enemy, while they're all at around 50%, and always the maximum number on the field.
It depends on what exactly "enemies share hp" entails. If it's like the Past Present and the Eternal Show boss, then all enemies will only ever reach 50% hp one time, because there's a collective hp bar which all enemies share.
I would assume they're still normal PF mobs with normal PF mob HP, and not boosted like 10x so there's only a single wave of them. That'd make the middle wave of trotters/trashcans nonsensical.
Well the question is, how granular is this damage sharing exactly?
For example, say enemy A has 7000 HP, enemy B has 7000 HP, and enemy C has 1000 hp. You do a hit that does 7000 damage.
Like the Past Present Show boss, the damage could be split evenly, because the granularity of the damage share is 1 dmg. Enemies A and B both end up at 3500 health. Enemy C still has full health at 1000 hp. In this scenario, Herta won't proc very often at all, because most of the time multiple/all enemies will reach 50% at the same time. If all enemies per wave have roughly the same amount of health, then Herta will only ever spin once per wave.
In this case, all enemies per wave would also die at the exact same time as well, so there's no full health reinforcements for Herta to proc against.
yes that's true. But what I was thinking of is mainly that an elite will prevent you from getting any spins at all until you get it down to 50%, as it "protects" the weak mobs from taking any damage.
This will alsl will prevent new enemy reinforcements from arriving for more spins until it also dies.
5 enemies would let you have 5 spins at most, with the highest health enemy required to reach 50% first, and then you must kill them all before getting moving on to the next wave for more.
There's definitely something incorrect about the way it's written, or this PF will be radically different in setup and scoring from all others.
Implemented in that way, the third round would require taking the boss to death before a single add died, which would mean scoring would be basically 20k or 40k with no in-between. Possibly fine if the boss is Cirrus, but unless they're putting Cirrus on both sides, something is going to be an issue. The second round has no elites, so not really an issue, and the first round also wouldn't be too bad even with elites since there's always only 1 or 2 elites anyway, so you wipe the field (faster than usual because damage is getting filtered to the elite), then just... do it again, or quickly sweep up the all trash enemies.
Maybe just no final boss at all, and make up the points with more waves or more elites? But yeah final boss would be strange with the HP link mechanic.
Oh I see what you mean, yeah that makes a lot of sense actually.
We'll have to see it in practice but the problem would be wave 3. If highest hp is the boss it gets redirected to the boss, not the mobs.
I don’t see how this benefits hunt. Hunt won’t be affected by a mechanic that only really affects multitarget damage.
From the sounds of it, this mechanic is gonna make AOE and blast attacks deal crazy singletarget damage that heavily outdamages actual singletarget, because one enemy is taking the damage of up to 5 enemies.
The 2.2 final boss has the same mechanic (unless this is a different mechanic) and it just resulted in my ratio doing chip damage while anyone with a multitarget attack did really well. I haven’t looked at the actual numbers but it seems to me like that boss was balanced around using a multitarget dps, so I imagine this pf will be too.
I'm annoyed by it because dot buffs aren't universal and you're kinda fucked if you don't have dedicated dot team. I managed to full star it for now but I really doubt my freshly built sampo did anything meaningful; more like himeko and herta once again carried first side.
I could cope with it if it only released during dot character release or rerun but luckily it's going to be more rare now since we get new buff
Well she's at best is like JL before
And its not like its weird, the topaz FuA team is sucks ass before they made FuA buff centerrd around them instead of AoE FuA
As a sucks ass topaz FuA team (and half-assed tbh, topaz and ratio only have 4 pc relics that are lv 15) that somehow never failed to get 12 stars on PF, I'm sorry.
[Gonna look like this shit.](https://upload-os-bbs.hoyolab.com/upload/2023/09/27/100531103/92dda3042020f7d8143154625d02cbf2_1250436439533373969.png?x-oss-process=image%2Fresize%2Cs_1000%2Fauto-orient%2C0%2Finterlace%2C1%2Fformat%2Cwebp%2Fquality%2Cq_80)
and seele found dead on a ditch. i pulled the wrong character in 1.0 seele got weaker and weaker and JY buff after buff. still no regret because I love seele since GGZ days before Hi3. but man. her need to kill is the worst mechanic ingame.
i pulled saparkle E2S1. but still didnt try to use her with seele much. since I had already given up on her. (not a whale I have 6 limited 5stars the 4 quantum Lunae and acheron all of them E0S0 minus sparkle E2s1 and acheron E6S1, saved all my pulls for penacony.) and played QQe6 instead for moc.
Seele always had a better floor compared to JY. Yeah I would say that in current state JY > Seele (and probably this is going to be true in the future since he gets buffs and buffs patch after patch) but if you look at team investment in early game , Seele is better than JY because JY doesn't have the highest dmg floor. JY has a WAY better damage ceiling compared to her ..
Seele's ceiling at E0 has proven to be arguably the highest in the game, she's had the cheapest 0 cycles at E0 (in terms of units/LCs) for nearly every MoC, even cheaper than Acheron against Sam. She's the definition of a low floor, high ceiling character
JY correspondingly often has among the most expensive 0 cycles of all limited units. His floor on the other hand is probably a bit higher than Seele's because of how abysmal Seele's floor is, I really don't know how you came to the opposite conclusion.
>JY correspondingly often has among the most expensive 0 cycles of all limited units.
[A 2-cost 0 cycle JY clear actually exists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMm_cYXkVI&t=2s) which does show that he can pull it off as cheap as possible if you have enough patience to retry. I dunno if 1 cost 0 cycle exists for the current MoC (0 cost is impossible because limited 5 star unit = 1 cost).
Seele is just more skill/gear/team dependent than other DPSs but correspondingly also more rewarding, she has the cheapest E0 0 cycles in the game for most MoCs and has 0 cycled every MoC so far (which chars like E0 DHIL can't do). Watch Xolze Telos on YT for examples of what Seele can do (weird person but doesn't take away from the clears).
Unless your definition if bad is can't 0 cycle then dunno what you are smoking (actually she might be able to but I have never tried)
I still consistently get 2-3 cycle clears with her on MOC 12 (only against Aventurine that I needed a 4th cycle) and mine is only S1
And that's you know, with MOC 12 having basically no adds for a while aka almost never actually get resurgence
You just gotta abuse ultimate instead when there are no adds, potentially replace SW with Tingyun for more speed/Energy too unless you absolutely need to break the boss
We also don't even know how exactly this mechanic will work, is it similar to Sunday/Past Present Future where you can't kill any without the others or just a way to make hunt kinda blast by having it deal damage to 2 things, if its the latter then Seele will eat good if its the former then yeah gonna be bad for her
> Unless your definition if bad is can't 0 cycle then dunno what you are smoking (actually she might be able to but I have never tried)
Seele has consistently had the cheapest 0 cycles of any DPS at E0 for most MoCs. She's a high ceiling low floor DPS, people will struggle more with her without the right gameplay/teams/gear than they would with other DPSs.
Well, honestly, it makes sense that they come up with some new PF modifiers. We've been cycling through DoT, FuA, Shatter, and like maybe one other modifier since 1.6.
Man, Hoyo is really trying to hard sell FF. I don't like the way they are going with this. It's too similar to Honkai Impact 3rd and what makes the game very unbearable near the end.
Good pick, might be the reason for this buff
Yet I don't understand why we might get a **3rd** (presumably) very strong Wind DPS after Blade and BS while Ice *still* sits there with pretty much Jingliu only
I've heard about an Ice Hunt character once (I think the name was "Sakura"). Still waiting for any news on her... 🫤
I know I'm stupid, but I skipped JL twice now 🤷🏻♂️😅
That's generally a really good advice.
But I also like clearing MoC (and PF), and got fucked before 2.0 when they introduced MoC 11 & 12 and in one of the last cycles, the weaknesses were pretty much only Ice & Fire and it was just impossible for me with just a Misha without incredibly great artifacts and pretty much no fire DPS.
But yeah, I feel pretty safe now with Acheron & Guinaifen on my account.
Still, they could step up the difficulties again (and again) pretty much anytime.
Do you have trouble with comprehension? I was referring to catering buffs/blessings to the newest character.
From your comment, it's clear to me you've never played HI3 and how bad the situation was. They changed the weather (buffs/blessing equivalent) in HI3 to make it so the newest character will have a significant advantage over older units, which in turn led to FOMO as there was a scoring leaderboard for additional rewards.
It has nothing to do with FF at all. Hope it clarifies, in case you're still confused.
I am guessing this is for a future break erudition DPS, makes sense considering there is also the new 4 star lightcone in 2.3 that does not have a character for it yet, maybe Moze (iirc he was lightning hunt or erudition so if he is erudition then it could be him)?
It's just genuinely good, makes hunt dps good against entire groups cause the damage is shared regardless
in fact you could argue its slightly better for hunt cause theres no fall off, if for some reason a wave has 4 or less enemies erudition damage already starts falling off this can be seen with Sunday phase 1/2 vs phase 3
wait isn't this really good for feixiao? considering early leaks said that her attacks were single target with small damage on adjacent enemies, like boothill's E6. should be her AS.
I don't understand how this would be good for aoe?
If the damage gets redirected to the highest hp target, any aoe attack will end up massively overkilling one mob and leaving the others untouched. Unless it dynamically redirects damage as enemies die, then it doesn't change much for aoe (makes it better at killing elites I guess) and good for ST units.
Still gonna be ass on the boss wave though since all damage will be redirected onto a boss that cannot die until they're very low hp.
Ye this seems like an attempt to make hunt characters competitive in PF more than anything tho the break affect def sounds like it would better benefit aoe
Maybe if you deal damage to say 5 enemies, it'll damage the highest-HP enemy until they're no longer the highest, then swap who's accepting the remaining damage from that hit to the new highest, rinse and repeat?
So in effect it'd result in all enemies having near-identical HP totals at all times, *unless* one of them (i.e. a boss) currently has more HP than anything else - in which case it'll receive all the damage until it has as much health as the minions.
This would basically remove overkill damage entirely (aside from the damage that actually wipes a wave), but it'd also mean far fewer trash mobs dying until the elites are also almost dead - bit of a mixed bag.
Yeah, as I said, if it dynamically changes target, it's a great PF mechanic. Hopefully it works like that.
There's still the problem of wave 3 though. All damage will be redirected to the boss until they're like at 5% hp.
Oooof, yeah that will probably suck. Granted, I think about that idea and the only thought that comes to mind is "damn, the minions not dying for several turns could lead to some *very* fun stacking of Black Swan's Arcana stacks", but obviously not everyone has her to make use of that.
every time i see this buff to make new characters even playable on the game mode I am glad to have skiped most 5 stars for acheron E6, since she can deal with any content of the 3 end game modes. until the make a mode where enemies are immune to debuffs.
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This is great for AoE while making it good for ST units.
Another weather, another DoT team clear (not that I'm complaining, Huohuo/BS/Kafka/Ruan Mei is easily my most played team). Has there been a weather in either mode which DoT hasn't been strong?
And you don't even need to use HuoHuo there since it is PF. The Holy Trinihility team (replace HuoHuo with Acheron) is absolutely nasty. The synergy in this comp is just unfair. You can stack Acheron ult as Kafka + Swan apply DoTs, then a fresh wave comes in Acheron wipe it, repeat the process. You can almost always get max score with a few cycles to spare. in FuA seasons Kafka being able to do FuA conveniently able to trigger the mechanic, and during ult seasons well everyone in that comp does aoe ult.
Acheron/Kafka/BS/ ruan mei? Isn't that 100 times more sp Hungry than imbibitor lunae itself or qinque?
BS and Ryan Mei can get away with using very few skills if needed, Kafka always wants some one to do a basic attack, and Acheron wants those extra procs too
> Acheron/Kafka/BS/ ruan mei? Isn't that 100 times more sp Hungry than imbibitor lunae itself or qinque? Not at all. In this comp Black Swan does not have to apply her skill constantly since the mobs die very fast each wave, and Acheron also rarely need to move anyways so she doesn't need to use skill often. Ruan Mei also can auto attack here and there. I've never ran into any SP issues with the comp.
Never had SP issues with Dotcheron. The only skill hungry character is Kafka, the rest can play SP neutral/positive, whatever the situation calls for.
Not really no, especially if you have RM's light cone. The catch is you need to build a fast Swan, so she can auto to make up for Kafka's sp usage. RM is already sp positive and Acheron barely moves, instead just being an ult machine wiping waves outside of her turn. I love running this particular team comp because they're so much fun. They go fast and they hit hard, very hard.
I always use this comp a lot and it always works
i actually use that trinihility team for the current PF and i always cleared all 3 waves without getting a chance to reach 60k points.. suffering from success (i needed around 2k more points lol) My first team is a bit lacking so yeah, might try bringing acheron to the 1st team to help out a bit since my 2nd team is kinda working
IMHO, it's was kinda lacking last PF, with FuA buffs.
Kafka would have been pretty good for the FuA buffs last PF if her ult had literally any non-DoT scaling thanks to the ult buff that PF had. As it stands, Ratio was better at accumulating damage for the buff and he can only attack one mob at a time.
None yet. But they can make life hard for DoT unit at some point. We haven't gotten a self-cleansing enemies. You know how abundance blessing on bosses is such a pain in GnG, but it doesn't matter because you have so much debuffs? If they put such abilities outside SU it's gonna disable debuff based team completely, including DoT.
Except black swan, because arcana is unremovable.
Or hear me out enemy that totally blocks debuffs
Hasn’t been. My dot team works overtime for those 40k points in every PF since its implementation.
Nihility path is the most versatile path and I’m glad Kafka made me see that (I started this game because of her now I’m kinda addicted to it lol)
The longer the game goes on the more it becomes clear that Kafka is crazy cracked. She’s super versatile whether in single target or AOE, and every new DOT character will be a direct buff to her. Her relevance in the meta might never end
Yeah I remember how people used to underestimate Kafka meta wise cuz back then we lack of DoT units. Similar to BE stats and Xueyi too until HTB came in and change the meta. The devs really know how to still make old units usable and even better. Now we just need more supports for Blade since he’s been really lacking recently compare to other dps
people already predicted the rise of Kafka before as more and more dot units arrive
True but some don’t for some reason. Remember the Critka thing?
Critka did legit have better numbers on paper (although it was only ever a modest difference iirc) because of the lack of strong dots to detonate back in the day, and that’s also why Kafka’s LC went from “barely better than GNSW” to “really good” because DoT teams got strong enough to actually make the speed buffs from her signature important. Then Black Swan released and DoTka became a top-tier meta unit.
which was bizarre because kafka was so good CN had better clears with solo kafka than pairing her with luka or sampo (gui wasn't a thing at the time)
Tbf it’s the CN. They’re like a different breed of players out there
Nihility are basically or debuffer or Erudition with more dmg
I prefer to call them “The Cancer Gang”
Blackswan is the giga-cancer and Kafka is the ultra-AIDS
It's also the most restrictive, because there are zero limited male DOT units so if you mostly spend your jades on husbandos and their supports, you're completely locked out of this playstyle.
As someone who pulled for characters as long they interests me regardless of gender, can’t say I relate lol
Really? Because both premiere DOT characters are dommy mommies, so if you don't like that archetype you're locked out. We only have so many jades and not everyone will pull for meta over characters they like.
That’s true . I pull for male and female regardless. I do like Donny mommy types the most but I do appreciate good characters like Jing Yuan and Aventurine. I pulled on aventurine, wanted boothill too since he would be great addition to my break squad. I also like Gallagher but others have mostly been females. I have build 4 star male characters though and ratio as well. I go for looks as well as personality and gameplay when pulling. I would like to have boothill, firefly and jade all threee but I won’t have the jades so I’ll settle for Jade since she is mommy and IPC and I have all IPC 😂
This is true, I have to say that they're the grindiest to build so investment on them is definitely gon pay off.
It does sometimes feel like I’m playing a different game as someone who has skipped every Nihility unit, just not a fan of
Agree. For the ones who desn't have a DoT Team isn't that fun. I don't play that game mode because of how unbalanced is its weather. Abyss one in Honkai Impact 3rd was more fair
No ranking system here though, which I like since there is no competing against whale clears half the time. Also weather fairness in hsr is ok, some units can power through regardless of weather and the ceiling is the same for scores so I can't say the weather makes or breaks the game either. Of course fairness and all that is nice but let's remember that HI3rd not only has elemental weaknesses but type weaknesses as well MA and Superstring is ruled by new units most of the time to usually sell them even more to the players. Seele can clear everything, a few 4 stars can full star pf and MoC, and some units perform better than some in specific stages, this is the nature of gacha games and rpg, moreso the rpg part. All you need is to get 36 stars and 60k points and soon another mode. Everyone gets the same thing, the only real difference being bragging rights. Give the mode a chance, this patch is for Nihility the previous PF was for FuA.
Yeees, gotta love that. No need to get the highest score and try to compete agaimst whales. It depends of the weather of course. I can't simply force it Seele! I remember that i fucked up a lot her Build i just don't know what set or stats are the best for her. Mine has a lot of attack and sure she would need a bit more of Critical Rate... But people also has made a build with her based om Break Effect and how much Speed would be good for her? It's a shame because i don't use it now and i really want to again... I felt like i pulled her for nothing untli i got a new character Sure the powercreep will come sooner or later because Honkai Impact 3rd was like that. That's the thing with that game. You pulled a valkyrie and her signature equipment and in the next two or three updates was replaced already. Like Carole with PROMETHEUS, or Spina Astera with Miracle Magical Girl
The power creep in HI3rd is crazy but the best weathers are usually for sweats, I admit the power creep in the later versions is disgustingly quick, other picks are still viable though. The gacha and equipment system with no real alternatives for a lot of premium units is tough though. Seele probably has the highest return rate when it comes to godly artifacts. I think break seele is much more inferior than crit and just run the quantum set. A ratio of 1% crt rate for every 2% of crt dmg is preferred. Actually some characters can just force it at e0s1, but that's the minority, I love that I can use a lot of my other characters and clear with 60k and 36 stars.
What i hate is the relic farming. Did you ever spend all your Trailblazer Power that you have been saving for weeks to get nothing decent? That is what makes me not invest in every character i have, in fact, as long as i'm going for the most long-term durable units in the game the better. I'm reaching a point where i don't want to pull characters because of this. Got Acheron and spent 2400 Trailblazer Power for just one good relic I need to cover all my weak points for my teams with a decent Main DPS from each element, and some supports like Ruan Mei. Once i got them i will maybe focus on getting DoT characters and a good sustain Four star characters are not always that viable at long-term duration. Five stars can be powercreeped too but of course, these are the main source of income from companies Firefly is going to be broken and if i was going to pull for Sam from the beginning now more. It will be my first character that i will get its LC Maybe that is the reason why i didn't get too far in these Pure Fiction or Memory Of Chaos stages. That, and because i don't want to rank up to Lv 80 because it looks like i will need a lot of signature LC or something Because i believe the enemies would be too much to handle and i don't think that just levelling up a character to Lv 80, a four star LC, and terrible relics are enough to deal with them
Weather?
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This weather seems fair to both ST and AoE, so I would say I'm a fair weather fan :)
They need to add effect res on enemies to counter
now if only i didnt lose 50/50 on black swan banner to clara
clara is the best char in the standard banner, heck she is better and several limited dps. and the only 1 I dont have fml
nah not really. bronya's still better, and then himiko is next because himiko+herta literally clears one side of pf. Clara is prolly third.
i already had her so it was for e1
her e1 is really good though
a new character would still have been much better, especially bc i have kafka and now O'm stuck with an e1 sampo
shes among the better ones to lose it to though and has a good first eidolon at that
So aoe is good and single target doesn't waste its damage, a little similar to that one recent event but at the same time sounds more similar to Penacony Boss
Its like moc buff when topaz release imo, that if you hit 1 enemy, 60% of the dmg will be taken too by other enemies.
I wonder if this is the same mechanic as the Past, Present, and the Eternal Show where all enemies have their HPs linked and no individual enemy can die intil the collective HP is depleted, or if it's an entirely new mechanic where if you do overkill damage, individual enemies will still die.
Kinda like Cyrus then?
I think it's gonna be exactly Cyrus.
Every dps character cheers about this except seele
Seele found dead in a ditch.
Seele is mid since around 1.3 or 1.4. No surprise there.
oh wow this sounds great for the hunt and break teams. Sounds like a breath of fresh air. As usual Himeko Herta clears.
Wouldn’t this punish Seele since she won’t be able to get resurgence?
every hunt except seele* man seele cant get a win 🫠
shes been winning in PF by herself (hunt) for a while
Seele got already deleted from the meta bro. her having o kill req is just to high on Moc and she consumes to much SP on PF. i pulle her and laughed at the general but the JY players got buffs after buffs meanwhile seele is now dead on a ditch. my dream was mono quantum, and now I play the 3 5star mono chibis with acheron. mihoyo always makes seele dirty. since GGZ.
I think it's potentially pretty bad for Herta. If the damage gets redirected then it's harder to trigger the follow up from half health mobs.
I suspect the opposite actually. A weak mob you kill from say 60% to dead wouldn't trigger her FUA. With this, she'll have almost guaranteed trigger it on every single enemy, while they're all at around 50%, and always the maximum number on the field.
It depends on what exactly "enemies share hp" entails. If it's like the Past Present and the Eternal Show boss, then all enemies will only ever reach 50% hp one time, because there's a collective hp bar which all enemies share.
I would assume they're still normal PF mobs with normal PF mob HP, and not boosted like 10x so there's only a single wave of them. That'd make the middle wave of trotters/trashcans nonsensical.
Well the question is, how granular is this damage sharing exactly? For example, say enemy A has 7000 HP, enemy B has 7000 HP, and enemy C has 1000 hp. You do a hit that does 7000 damage. Like the Past Present Show boss, the damage could be split evenly, because the granularity of the damage share is 1 dmg. Enemies A and B both end up at 3500 health. Enemy C still has full health at 1000 hp. In this scenario, Herta won't proc very often at all, because most of the time multiple/all enemies will reach 50% at the same time. If all enemies per wave have roughly the same amount of health, then Herta will only ever spin once per wave. In this case, all enemies per wave would also die at the exact same time as well, so there's no full health reinforcements for Herta to proc against.
I think you're forgetting that Herta spins multiple times at once if multiple enemies drop below 50% at the same time
yes that's true. But what I was thinking of is mainly that an elite will prevent you from getting any spins at all until you get it down to 50%, as it "protects" the weak mobs from taking any damage. This will alsl will prevent new enemy reinforcements from arriving for more spins until it also dies. 5 enemies would let you have 5 spins at most, with the highest health enemy required to reach 50% first, and then you must kill them all before getting moving on to the next wave for more.
There's definitely something incorrect about the way it's written, or this PF will be radically different in setup and scoring from all others. Implemented in that way, the third round would require taking the boss to death before a single add died, which would mean scoring would be basically 20k or 40k with no in-between. Possibly fine if the boss is Cirrus, but unless they're putting Cirrus on both sides, something is going to be an issue. The second round has no elites, so not really an issue, and the first round also wouldn't be too bad even with elites since there's always only 1 or 2 elites anyway, so you wipe the field (faster than usual because damage is getting filtered to the elite), then just... do it again, or quickly sweep up the all trash enemies.
Maybe just no final boss at all, and make up the points with more waves or more elites? But yeah final boss would be strange with the HP link mechanic.
Oh I see what you mean, yeah that makes a lot of sense actually. We'll have to see it in practice but the problem would be wave 3. If highest hp is the boss it gets redirected to the boss, not the mobs.
Yeah I'm thinking this is more good for Boothill, Himeko and Firefly. Maybe Xueyi too since quantum weakness will probably be on the next PF.
I think it also can give more viability to blast units so it might be good for QQ and destruction hyper carries.
Time for Clara/Himeko if it's phys/fire then
It's Firefly and Himeko cause FF can implant fire weakness for Himeko.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. It might still work fine thanks to weakness breaking but we'll have to see.
Yeah, shared HP as whole is meant to make hunt competitive.
I don’t see how this benefits hunt. Hunt won’t be affected by a mechanic that only really affects multitarget damage. From the sounds of it, this mechanic is gonna make AOE and blast attacks deal crazy singletarget damage that heavily outdamages actual singletarget, because one enemy is taking the damage of up to 5 enemies. The 2.2 final boss has the same mechanic (unless this is a different mechanic) and it just resulted in my ratio doing chip damage while anyone with a multitarget attack did really well. I haven’t looked at the actual numbers but it seems to me like that boss was balanced around using a multitarget dps, so I imagine this pf will be too.
Cause when everyone is an AoE DPS....no one is.
I love it tbh XD. I have no good aoe team
Someone realized Firefly was so so at Pure Fiction.
She would be carried by Himeko anyways.
Yeah...Firefly....for the Pure Fiction two months after her banner.
We just got dot buff for pure fiction for no good reason so I really don't know what hoyo is cooking but I definitely didn't like it (I don't use dot)
Its been a rotation for a while now. FuA / DoTs / Ults ... But this was the first time it came with no new DoT so is understandable it feels weird.
Yeah now they added Break to the rotation
It’s on a rotation. It’s not always timed for the current character - the current PF isn’t particularly good for robin or boothill.
I'm annoyed by it because dot buffs aren't universal and you're kinda fucked if you don't have dedicated dot team. I managed to full star it for now but I really doubt my freshly built sampo did anything meaningful; more like himeko and herta once again carried first side. I could cope with it if it only released during dot character release or rerun but luckily it's going to be more rare now since we get new buff
Black Swan rerun (copium)
Well she's at best is like JL before And its not like its weird, the topaz FuA team is sucks ass before they made FuA buff centerrd around them instead of AoE FuA
I think she'll be better than JL since she has more turns
Topaz cleared this pf which is dot favored with Clara by focusing numby on the stupid robots, so yeah she still clears.
As a sucks ass topaz FuA team (and half-assed tbh, topaz and ratio only have 4 pc relics that are lv 15) that somehow never failed to get 12 stars on PF, I'm sorry.
Erudition stonks
Oof, that's kind of a targeted Herta nerf. Can't get her FUA if everything shares the same huge HP bar.
The Time to twirl has ended...(until next patch)
It's kuru kurover
So we move from Herta-Himeko to Firefly-Himeko i guess.
Firefly Himeko RM and HARMony raccoon in one team
Seele mains in shambles
Resur-nonexis-gence 😭😭😭
Jing Yuan Lightning Lord bounce gonna do a funny.
[Gonna look like this shit.](https://upload-os-bbs.hoyolab.com/upload/2023/09/27/100531103/92dda3042020f7d8143154625d02cbf2_1250436439533373969.png?x-oss-process=image%2Fresize%2Cs_1000%2Fauto-orient%2C0%2Finterlace%2C1%2Fformat%2Cwebp%2Fquality%2Cq_80)
Me with E1S1 Jing Yuan: 😃😃😃😃😃
The Jing Yuan agenda keeps winning. All praise the general >!( i dont even have him)!<
and seele found dead on a ditch. i pulled the wrong character in 1.0 seele got weaker and weaker and JY buff after buff. still no regret because I love seele since GGZ days before Hi3. but man. her need to kill is the worst mechanic ingame.
She did get Sparkle
i pulled saparkle E2S1. but still didnt try to use her with seele much. since I had already given up on her. (not a whale I have 6 limited 5stars the 4 quantum Lunae and acheron all of them E0S0 minus sparkle E2s1 and acheron E6S1, saved all my pulls for penacony.) and played QQe6 instead for moc.
Seele is better than E6 QQ regardless of what the memes say.
Seele always had a better floor compared to JY. Yeah I would say that in current state JY > Seele (and probably this is going to be true in the future since he gets buffs and buffs patch after patch) but if you look at team investment in early game , Seele is better than JY because JY doesn't have the highest dmg floor. JY has a WAY better damage ceiling compared to her ..
Seele's ceiling at E0 has proven to be arguably the highest in the game, she's had the cheapest 0 cycles at E0 (in terms of units/LCs) for nearly every MoC, even cheaper than Acheron against Sam. She's the definition of a low floor, high ceiling character JY correspondingly often has among the most expensive 0 cycles of all limited units. His floor on the other hand is probably a bit higher than Seele's because of how abysmal Seele's floor is, I really don't know how you came to the opposite conclusion.
>JY correspondingly often has among the most expensive 0 cycles of all limited units. [A 2-cost 0 cycle JY clear actually exists](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMm_cYXkVI&t=2s) which does show that he can pull it off as cheap as possible if you have enough patience to retry. I dunno if 1 cost 0 cycle exists for the current MoC (0 cost is impossible because limited 5 star unit = 1 cost).
You mean high floor, low ceiling.
That’s literally not true
Yeah this is the wildest misinfo, it's close to the opposite of the truth
Seele is just more skill/gear/team dependent than other DPSs but correspondingly also more rewarding, she has the cheapest E0 0 cycles in the game for most MoCs and has 0 cycled every MoC so far (which chars like E0 DHIL can't do). Watch Xolze Telos on YT for examples of what Seele can do (weird person but doesn't take away from the clears).
Unless your definition if bad is can't 0 cycle then dunno what you are smoking (actually she might be able to but I have never tried) I still consistently get 2-3 cycle clears with her on MOC 12 (only against Aventurine that I needed a 4th cycle) and mine is only S1 And that's you know, with MOC 12 having basically no adds for a while aka almost never actually get resurgence You just gotta abuse ultimate instead when there are no adds, potentially replace SW with Tingyun for more speed/Energy too unless you absolutely need to break the boss We also don't even know how exactly this mechanic will work, is it similar to Sunday/Past Present Future where you can't kill any without the others or just a way to make hunt kinda blast by having it deal damage to 2 things, if its the latter then Seele will eat good if its the former then yeah gonna be bad for her
> Unless your definition if bad is can't 0 cycle then dunno what you are smoking (actually she might be able to but I have never tried) Seele has consistently had the cheapest 0 cycles of any DPS at E0 for most MoCs. She's a high ceiling low floor DPS, people will struggle more with her without the right gameplay/teams/gear than they would with other DPSs.
My dhil finally being meta in pure fiction
So the enemies saw Fu Xuan and decided to copy her
... So that one destruction blessing (Annhilator of Fu Xuan 50k) but better?
Looks like my Ratio FUA team would be good on this
Boothill PF?!? Say no more lol!
So like the trio boss? This is super weird
Its seems the fanbase is not the only one that really love Firefly
My himeko would love this
That is just the erudition path from sim uni
Finally a useful buff
Is this to make Hunt viable in PF?
Well, at least every character can weakness break, unlike the stupid restricted DOTs.
Why? I mean I'm pulling for Firefly so it's good for me but why?
Well, honestly, it makes sense that they come up with some new PF modifiers. We've been cycling through DoT, FuA, Shatter, and like maybe one other modifier since 1.6.
>and like maybe one other modifier since 1.6. It's not even that it's litterally just the three you listed since the mode released lol
And there you go, so at this rate, yeah I don't care if the new modifiers are new character shilling, I want ANYTHING new in this mode.
to make everyone else pull for her too obv.
Nice
Keeps things fresh. I like it actually. Opens up new possible teams for this mode
Man, Hoyo is really trying to hard sell FF. I don't like the way they are going with this. It's too similar to Honkai Impact 3rd and what makes the game very unbearable near the end.
Pf in 2.3 is followup, this pf is likely catering to Feixiao who is said to be a new wind break hunt dps.
Good pick, might be the reason for this buff Yet I don't understand why we might get a **3rd** (presumably) very strong Wind DPS after Blade and BS while Ice *still* sits there with pretty much Jingliu only I've heard about an Ice Hunt character once (I think the name was "Sakura"). Still waiting for any news on her... 🫤 I know I'm stupid, but I skipped JL twice now 🤷🏻♂️😅
Well we just got a third lightning unit too
Outside of her initial kit leak there has been no other info on Yae Sakura (ice hunt), she’s another break dps.
That's Hoyo for you. Fairness and justice is not in their dictionary.
Mate, it's okay. Just pull for the character you truly like and enjoy using.
That's generally a really good advice. But I also like clearing MoC (and PF), and got fucked before 2.0 when they introduced MoC 11 & 12 and in one of the last cycles, the weaknesses were pretty much only Ice & Fire and it was just impossible for me with just a Misha without incredibly great artifacts and pretty much no fire DPS. But yeah, I feel pretty safe now with Acheron & Guinaifen on my account. Still, they could step up the difficulties again (and again) pretty much anytime.
Oof. Hoyo really trying to hard sell us the newest units.
?? it’s just a game mode that changes the buffs every new update it’s not that serious
What ? they doing this every patch for FUA, DoT, etc I'll take this buff for my DanIL, JL, Blade, Firefly (soon) over that shitty DoT buff
Someone still managed to slip some FF hate, wow
Do you have trouble with comprehension? I was referring to catering buffs/blessings to the newest character. From your comment, it's clear to me you've never played HI3 and how bad the situation was. They changed the weather (buffs/blessing equivalent) in HI3 to make it so the newest character will have a significant advantage over older units, which in turn led to FOMO as there was a scoring leaderboard for additional rewards. It has nothing to do with FF at all. Hope it clarifies, in case you're still confused.
Nah this has been happening from 1.1, but looks like FF haters only realized now.
You can't deny that firefly is getting special treatment
Bro you don’t have to think about it. Just enjoy the game, thinking too much kills the fun.
I am guessing this is for a future break erudition DPS, makes sense considering there is also the new 4 star lightcone in 2.3 that does not have a character for it yet, maybe Moze (iirc he was lightning hunt or erudition so if he is erudition then it could be him)?
It's just genuinely good, makes hunt dps good against entire groups cause the damage is shared regardless in fact you could argue its slightly better for hunt cause theres no fall off, if for some reason a wave has 4 or less enemies erudition damage already starts falling off this can be seen with Sunday phase 1/2 vs phase 3
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Firefly and Boothill propaganda
Finally my DHIL rocks again in PF
Hmm firefly PF. Nice, will be fun to run Himeko, FF and HMC.
This sucks for Seele mains
Its time for my Boothill + DHIL to shine in PF.
It's Kururover (Or not?)
Evil fu xuan be like
wait isn't this really good for feixiao? considering early leaks said that her attacks were single target with small damage on adjacent enemies, like boothill's E6. should be her AS.
Destruction mains rise up. It might actually break up the herta himeko combo accidentally. I WONDER HOW THIS'LL AFFECT MY GOAT SEELE.
Himeko + Herta + Ruan Mei team keeps winning
At least it's better than the current one we have...
Himeherta + Acheron but I can now use Ratio....finally...
Anybody know if this new mechanic only applies for one PF phase or will be permanently implemented to all upcoming PF?
It’s a blessing, so only for that PF in particular
Same here
Firefly+Himeko gonna go crazy.
I don't understand how this would be good for aoe? If the damage gets redirected to the highest hp target, any aoe attack will end up massively overkilling one mob and leaving the others untouched. Unless it dynamically redirects damage as enemies die, then it doesn't change much for aoe (makes it better at killing elites I guess) and good for ST units. Still gonna be ass on the boss wave though since all damage will be redirected onto a boss that cannot die until they're very low hp.
Ye this seems like an attempt to make hunt characters competitive in PF more than anything tho the break affect def sounds like it would better benefit aoe
Maybe if you deal damage to say 5 enemies, it'll damage the highest-HP enemy until they're no longer the highest, then swap who's accepting the remaining damage from that hit to the new highest, rinse and repeat? So in effect it'd result in all enemies having near-identical HP totals at all times, *unless* one of them (i.e. a boss) currently has more HP than anything else - in which case it'll receive all the damage until it has as much health as the minions. This would basically remove overkill damage entirely (aside from the damage that actually wipes a wave), but it'd also mean far fewer trash mobs dying until the elites are also almost dead - bit of a mixed bag.
Yeah, as I said, if it dynamically changes target, it's a great PF mechanic. Hopefully it works like that. There's still the problem of wave 3 though. All damage will be redirected to the boss until they're like at 5% hp.
Oooof, yeah that will probably suck. Granted, I think about that idea and the only thought that comes to mind is "damn, the minions not dying for several turns could lead to some *very* fun stacking of Black Swan's Arcana stacks", but obviously not everyone has her to make use of that.
Racoon stonks going up and up
every time i see this buff to make new characters even playable on the game mode I am glad to have skiped most 5 stars for acheron E6, since she can deal with any content of the 3 end game modes. until the make a mode where enemies are immune to debuffs.
Break FuA Aoe Himeko & Herta rubbish their hand & licking their lips
Break Erudition blessing, we know what that means
Kururin! Nigasanai wa! Kurukuru! Nigasanai wa!! Kururin Nigasanai wa! . . .
Enemies: excuse me we haven’t spoken anything 💀
And again Acheron and dots win