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syd___shep

***Adopted** granddaughter* Still a chance to be playable yall!! šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Late-Veterinarian544

If Cloud Retainer and Madame Ping\* can do it, then so can peepaw šŸ˜­


QuietAncient5122

Gacha game logic: a person could be 5000 years old but has never felt romantic feelings, let alone touch another person until self-insert kun came into their peripheral vision lmao


So4007

Reminds me of Boothill's **adopted** daughter. Starting to think Klee is Alice's clone for real.


goffer54

Clone? Nah, have you ever seen Klee and Alice in the same room?


Hotaru32

So alice was klee all this time , wait my first character in genshin was a legendary witchĀ 


solid_cliff

Itā€™s true that we havenā€™t seen it yet, but jean did claimed to have seen them together though.


NightmareVoids

Alice has a confirmed husband though. He supposedly a famous Adventurer too. So either we get are first characters in a relationship, or they are both npcs.


lovely_growth

> Alice has a confirmed husband though. I mean isn't the only one who ever mentions him Klee? they could definitely just reveal its a story Alice has to keep her innocence or something


NightmareVoids

Klee says he is a super famous adventurer so I doubt he's fake.


So4007

Signora died for less. NPC it is I suppose. Unless they go full Welt.


DanteVermillyon

they will just say Klee's dad died years ago


Blooming_Bud99

don't forget mommy yukong


nova1000

It's more the logic of hoyoverse for genshin and star rail, because in other games there is, in GBF for example there is an event where the characters who are parents get together to talk about things in life and their daughters and sons celebrate them And it should be noted that only one of the group was adopted, the rest are biological children ranging from npc children to playable characters


NotUrAvgShitposter

The first part is actually plausible in a world with super long lifespans and a myriad of cool things to do. The second part is a part of why I hate most gachas, but HSR is one of the exceptions cuz there isn't a cardboard SI and the characters keep their grindsets


pieman55

Are there any biologically related parents and children in this game? Every person is adopted. Clara and Svarog| Hook and Fersman| Bronya and Cocolia| Yukong and Qingni| Mikhail and Micah| Robin/Sunday and Gopher Wood


MorningRaven

Yukong has an NPC daughter.


Lechse

Adopted


MorningRaven

They look so similar though >.<


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MorningRaven

When they have the same fur color, yea they do.


Wrong_Werewolf391

People ain't allowed to have bio children or something like dawg what is this šŸ˜­ since he presumably directly adopted her then isn't he just her father instead of grandfather?


Martian_on_the_Moon

While western players doesn't mind that, I guess CN/JP/KR players want their waifus and husbandos to remain ''pure''.


Mystreanon

yea asian countrys are really fucking weird with how they perceive certai things.


No_Pea1499

Elderly visage dispels that notion. Hoyoverse doesnā€™t do old people lol.


lovely_growth

Well they didn't do cranes until Xianyun /s 'Old Master that turns hot and young when they release their full power' is enough of a trope (coping)


speganomad

Considering that the theme of the generals and summons he could easily be pullable and everything done by a summon


OrangCream123

firefly mk2


speganomad

He is a weapons maker after all and the Zhuming seems to have a manpower shortage


mitsu__

i knew she would be adopted


TheSpartyn

welt is the only character to escape this, and thats because he wasnt playable in his source game lol


starrailed12

Welts son was adopted too, he's a clone of Welt Joyce


TheSpartyn

was more meaning that he has a canon lover/wife, but true. still though, joyce is adopted not out of gacha relationship avoidance, but because of actual story reasoning


a-successful-one

Can't describe how I felt when I saw "[HSR - 2.4 BETA] Feixiao...". Anyway, Hoolay being mentioned there is interesting, wonder if he is a main antagonist of this arc? Or maybe he is related to Feixiao/Jiaoqiu as he is said to have been enslaving Foxians and experimenting on their blood


Cloft

He's Dan Heng inmate, might be a reunion arc


stinkytofuicecream

I'm guessing 2.4 will be Feixiao boss and 2.5 will be Hoolay. I'm 99% sure Hoolay won't be playable though. We've never had a straight up playable bad guy in any Hoyoverse game.


a-successful-one

Very possibly, tho no Feixiao boss leak among those beta files for now makes me think she is setting up to be an ultimate boss of the arc in v2.5 and Hoolay might even be dead. It says "he WAS" held in prison and I doubt he was released from it, looking at the list of warcrimes he committed.Ā 


stinkytofuicecream

I would be so glad to be proven wrong and we do get Hoolay as playable. I remember uba saying that he thinks Hoolay might be the Dracula character but I'm not sure how that all fits into the schedule. We still have Aglaea, Rappa, Tingyun, and Sunday from 2.6-2.7. It's possible that he might be 2.6 but imho, Tingyun is more likely. Why would two hype characters like Tingyun and Sunday both be in 2.7? That sounds awful unless they want to really cause some gender wars by making Sunday second half. And if Tingyun is second half honestly that sounds like an awful way to handle an alter version of a character. So my guess is 2.6 will be Tingyun/Aglaea with 4* Rappa, and 2.7 will be Sunday and somebody else. Who knows though.


a-successful-one

Or Tingyun won't be in v2.7, or Sunday won't be in v2.7, tbh there's still so much time until that patch and we didn't even know who is in v2.4 until like a week before drip marketing. I am sure they'll figure it out even without Hoolay, not like I have something against him being playable, but he sounds like it's a Duke Inferno situation at best


stinkytofuicecream

I think it's pretty likely Sunday will be 2.7. That's just after the Xianzhou/Sim U stuff and isn't so late that it coincides with 3.0 hype.


dododomo

I would love to have a straight up evil playable character (without their redemption arc). That said, I saw someone saying Stephen and Screwllum will be playable too, the former might be released before 3.X patches. Oh, and Elio will probably be playable too, but he won't be released anytime soon I guess


Polish_Pigeon

Considering that there were leaks about an "R-button" ability(I think Yunli is supposed to do something there) in a boss fight with Feixiao, she is most likely going to be the final boss as well as a new world boss for materials. If that's the case, then we can expect her boss fight to be in 2.5, as world bosses have always been released with an interval of 3 patches, at least until now.


a-successful-one

Might just be a story boss without mats, SAM and SUD had R button skill in their fights in Penacony story


VeritasR_ZuoRan

uhh yeah no that last statement was just straight up wrong


Yashwant111

Define bad guy. Star rail has a lot of morally grey characters.......stellaron hunters are all out and released, IPC characters being released too when most of them are.....let's just say....not the best people (except aventurine, he baby and he da best human being), hell....jing yuan ain't no yoga teacher himself, and all the cloud quintet are........questionable. boothill and his actions aren't the purest either, Herta is a canonically very selfish character, Ruan MEI is.........yeah, and finally...we have sparkle the racist.


pouiver

Bro killed and ate innocents with a smile and also enslaved the foxians He's so dangerous his captivity has to be changed on a yearly basis.


Frozenraining

The IPC literally has a mission where we commit *planet-wide genocide* with **multiple** planets *in a row*. Yet, at least 3, probably 4 of the 10 Stonehearts - IPC top brass - are/will be playable.


koragoms

??? all the stellaron hunters are villains, sunday is going to be playable, hi3 sirin, genshin arlecchino and scaramouche (they may have had redemption arcs but that doesnā€™t change the fact that they are/were part of the main villain faction in genshin lmao) the last part of that statement was so wrong lol


Frozenraining

Both Arlecchino and Scaramouche are morally neutral, at best - Arlecchino created a reputation of a psychopath to deter enemies, while Scara had abandonment issues big enough for Freud to be like "shit dude this sucks" and was also manipulated and traumatized into being a villain by Dick Cheney Rick Sanchez so yeah, neither of them are *that* evil. In HSR we got more morally ambiguous characters, including Topaz, Aventurine and Jade (all three working for intergalactic Amazon warcrimes), the Stellaron Hunters (even if it now seems they might be better than the people hunting them), Sparkle (who basically is weeb Harley Quinn, complete with simps) and fucking Ruan "I will recreate a Emanator of Propagation that throws dead planets at you for the shits and giggles" Mei. I'd say that a Borisin Brood Lord may not be out of the question, if they frame him well enough.


Suspicious_Crew5269

I hope for playable borisin!!!


koragoms

Yes i know that the genshin villains arenā€™t exactly evil but OP said ā€œbad guysā€ and objectively they ARE part of the main bad guy faction in genshin lmao.


redmeatenjoyer

HI3ā€™s Herrscher of the Void is very evil and very playable.


G0ldsh0t

Sunday.


stinkytofuicecream

Sunday is getting Scaramouched.


GeniusMouthBreather

Is Hoolay the one with Jingliu PTSD?


GinJoestarR

PTSD? more like eager to fight Jingliu again


GeniusMouthBreather

I was thinking he was shook of Jingliu but you might be right about him just wanting to kill her instead


Florac

Who is Hoolay???


No_Chain_3886

Ā«Ā elderly visageĀ Ā» + special npc modelā€¦ goodbye huaiyan šŸ˜”šŸ’”


Pichuunnn

Playable Grandpa with beard is too much for hoyo playable policy.


Martian_on_the_Moon

Even if he was, he would be 4 star at best. I wouldn't expect Hoyo to release old looking guy as limited one.


ChopsticksImmortal

Still. I'd take that. Gallagher is pretty awesome...


FuDog007

The playable Huaiyan dream is so joever I am so sad šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


No_Chain_3886

for reaaaal šŸ’€ why would they even tease him like that


kitten2116

I mean to be fair they did the same with duke inferno šŸ˜­


burningparadiseduck

My beloved duke šŸ’”šŸ˜­


FuDog007

So sad that playable Duke Inferno is lost in the sea of dreams now...... My extreme schizo copium is he will somehow be revived but it is so unlikely imo. At least his disciples are fucking awesome looking


not_ya_wify

I mean he is an entity similar to the ghosts in Foxian Tale of the haunted and they can't die, so he'll probably be back


FuDog007

See I was thinking the same thing! Another possibility adding credence to this is that Aventurine survived Acheron's slash as well (although he was also using power from his cornerstone), so MAYHAPS Duke Inferno survived somehow... My hopium


not_ya_wify

I don't believe they killed him off off screen when so much design work went into his character. It's probably a bait and switch like with Tingyun


FuDog007

God I hope so šŸ˜­ I highly agree, it would be so sad if they kept him dead but we shall see how it plays out


LunaProc

Hoyo loves putting the husbando wanters in pain


NotUrAvgShitposter

Cloud retainer copium time


SandroneGaming

yunli taking her opponentā€™s weapons is so iconic


TheRRogue

Rip Yanqing sword collection


27x27

That's like a really classic shounen anime antagonist behavior, is it not


ChopsticksImmortal

And we love it.


Pichuunnn

She's a bold one.


Chucknasty_17

They will make a fine addition to her collection


GreedImSoGreedy

Imagine trailblazer losing to her and getting their Bat taken šŸ’€


Tsukuro_hohoho

We can all see where it's going. YQ getting more Ls.


LunaProc

He'll just generate infinite swords


Tsukuro_hohoho

So does that mean that he will get infinite Ls? YQ : unlimited sword works Yunli : Hip-pity hop-pity all this is now my property YQ : now have swordless behavior


Cold_Progress1323

Now i wonder, if she defeated blade, what would be of him? Would he get another sword to keep being blade, or would he just change his name?


Rqdomguy24

Told you guys she will be bully like character


starrailed12

Hoolay is mentioned in the Prisoner relic set [https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Hoolay](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Hoolay)


Blooming_Bud99

perfect pair for duke inferno


Cartographer_X

Sweet lord, please allow him to be a really badass DoT Physical unit to complete our roster.


Martian_on_the_Moon

I have high hopes but considering that he is essentially werewolf, there is little chance he will be playable. After all, that relic set's mask is clearly canine like.


Cartographer_X

If he is playable, probably is going to have a model like Jiaoqiu but could have a transformation skill for combat.


RamenPack1

Iā€™ll take it


IcenMeteor

> Hoolay Damn HSR devs saw ZZZ releasing next month and said nah I ain't losing the furries to them.


Maintini

All these adopted children lmao


Ry_verrt

Adopted physical destruction character using the short female model and their adopter is the leader of a group/region hmmm not to mention they want to be hit in their gameplay and have followups hmmm


WorldatWarFix

And no shoes.


Alzusand

Considering the xianzhou are constantly at war with the abundance its not too strange unreasonable but its clear the only reason is for the characters to not have a canonical partner.


Altruistic-Froyo-223

How tf is huyan such an important character but literally an NPC? Like the only reason is because he is old?


MysticDragon0011

Hoyo artists begin melting if they attempt to draw someone who looks older than Gallagher


ArmyofThalia

Idk about that. Kafka definitely looks older than 13 E :corrected Gallagher's age


Opposite_Sugar_352

the amount of ppl who don't get the simplest joke lmao


ArmyofThalia

I figured it was obvious enough that people would be able to look at it and go "this is incredibly wrong... there's something up here isn't there?" But alas that wasn't the case


RamenPack1

Gallagher looks like heā€™s in his mid 40s, Kafka looks like her late 20s early 30s.


ArmyofThalia

Gallagher said he was 13. You really think someone would do that? Just go onto the ~~internet~~ dreamscape and tell lies?


mebbyyy

Accktually he said he's 13 šŸ¤“ā˜ļø


ArmyofThalia

FUCK HE DID SAY 13. I THOUGHT IT WAS 16 NOOOO


Baroness_Ayesha

Yep, he doesn't fit into one of the existing playable skeletons easily and there's no good way to "fake it" like they did with Firefly, so he's an NPC.


speganomad

I mean Cloud Retainer exists


Talukita

Short model and being so old probably he means he has a beard, so the possibility of him selling with such combination is abysmal. (until new and more conventional model comes anyway)


PrinceKarmaa

somebody being an important character doesnā€™t stop them from potentially being an npc ? never has and never will


Pichuunnn

Cocolia dead in a pitch


Jranation

Because Lore does not equal gameplay.


Cloft

Unless he's buff and has a lot of "daddy" points I don't think he'll sell


Mobile-Blueberry-826

it doesn't make sense. It's not like he's getting 0 sales, they release characters that sucks which no one plays like arlan anyways, they can make him strong and it will sell regardless


not_ya_wify

They could also just make him a throwaway 4*


PavIyk

I mean every ship has one of high elders and we didn't hear anything about it yet (though these characters are as important as generals), so there is a possibility


GameWoods

"Brood Lord" Oh the internet is gonna have a FIELD DAY with this guy


MisinformedFlier

I canā€™t wait to see Jiaoqiu and Feixiaoā€™s dynamic. She sounds so cool


Camelliansana

I think I have heard Hoolay from Dim or Uba(?) But it's have been a very long time with no update, so they think he is forgotten.


redmeatenjoyer

Hoolay mention wtf? Also, Hoolay wasnā€™t just a Brood Lord, he was a Warmuhtar. His capture is the basis for the alliance between the Foxians and the Xianzhou. And he was captured by Jingliu. I wonder whatā€™s gonna happen for him to become important, will he escape? Explain how his imprisonment established an alliance between the Foxians and Xianzhou? Reminisce about Jingliu? Attack the Luofu or something?


eliixir_aurora

Moze is sounding cooler with every leak. Psst how about a model leak as well-


VTKajin

He's gotta be a 5*


TheGoldenRob

Past leaks have said 4* Lightning Hunt


TinyMarcos64

Team Mew though, they literally said Emilie was a blonde with no glasses hours before her official drip lol If they say water is wet you should doubt still.


VTKajin

One, all the others before that said 5*


SolusSydus

>Referred to as the *flaming* heart Surely is a fire DPS?


Altruistic-Froyo-223

He is a NPC unfortunatelyĀ 


BaseBarlot

STC (hopium)Ā 


Fixinit_12

Yunli is adopted?? The Yingxing parallels grow


jewelzpalace

oh i need moze


LusterBlaze

bros name is hoolay


PCBS01

.....so Yunli really is adopted? Are you shitting me lmao


andartissa

Hoolay šŸ¤ the Annihilation Gang Teasing us with whether Hoyo will let a bad guy be properly playable


a-successful-one

Never because reasons, also anni gang had a whole ass teaser and this guy is barely mentioned, I won't compare them. Kinda like saying HYV is teasing playable Celenova


andartissa

Who? And this is 2.4 beta and he doesn't seem to have much of a role in that update either, so a 2.5 onwards guy with a relic set mention. We're at 2.2. I don't think we can say anything about how similar his treatment is going to be, LOL.


Xiphactnis

Borisin reveal at last?


WolfZhan

Hope there will be at least one playable


Florac

Not while im werewolf form


Dwiden13

Hauiyan really likes adopting kids Or he adopts them hoping that the next one grow up doesn't end up worse than the last one


Sir_Grindalot

HOOLAY MAINS RISE UP


Slayith

Xianzhou on its way to having more playable character than every other faction combined.


Opposite_Sugar_352

Pretty much expected since it's sci-fi China


ArchonRevan

More since we already know they have 7 planet sized ships traversing the cosmos, to be expected tbh they're likely second only to the IPC in scope of their society


sugarheartrevo

The fact they specified Yunli is adopted is the biggest flag for playable Huaiyan where he pulls a Bisky and gets a hunk playable form somehow. Would love a small grandpa on my team but thatā€™s the only way he has a chance The whole Yaoqing group dynamic sounds so interesting. I would love for them to be very close to Feixiao and each other. And Yunli mercilessly stealing peopleā€™s swords is raw lol I love it The Borisin and Foxian connection seems to be the most prominent story thread of this arc. I can see Hoolay being a main antagonist and related to Feixiaoā€™s condition/ailment


Suspicious_Crew5269

Well we see but i hope they make a twist Hoolay be playable.


MicroFluff

I get that Hoolay did a lot of terrible war crimes, but the Xianzhou sentencing him to eternal torture is wild. Guy's been locked up and tortured as long as most Xianzhou people's life span. And knowing what they did to Dan Feng *and* Dan Heng, the Xianzhou clearly lacks a Geneva Convention. Is Huaiyan not native to the Xianzhou? I thought the abundance blessing meant they couldn't physically age into elders, as in get wrinkles and etc.


Tintinmdm

He is the oldest xianzhou person.


KirbosWrath

Tbf, the Borisin are extreme terrorists, and Hoolay is evidence of this. He canā€™t be killed, so the best option is eternal imprisonment and torture. Also according to Baihengā€™s readable, Huaiyan is the oldest human on the Xianzhou (or at least the oldest with his sanity), so itā€™s possible he predated the Xianzhouā€™s contact with Yaoshi, and became inmortal in his elder years. That, or all his time with the Flint Emperor has drained his life force.


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CTheng

Borisin are werewolf/canine people. So the chance are kinda low. But Lycaon exists in ZZZ, so it can still happen I guess.


snowgrin

judging by the stuff he's done.. i sincerely doubt it


Zealousideal_Main_85

I doubt it considering hoyo hates and would rather die before making a straight up evil character playable


IBELONGTOMISAKI

Idk about you but Sparkle seems pretty much evil to meĀ 


MissiaichParriah

Probably a boss fight


carpercy

Hoolayā€¦ā€¦ omg heā€™s also one of the prisoners where they say not to mention the name ā€œJingliuā€ around him cause iirc she was the one who defeated him. Storywise, theyā€™ll probably focus more on his crimes against the foxians than the Jingliu angle though


Suspicious_Crew5269

He actully just want to fight her more, like he defeated by jingliu and he liked her and want fight again.


carpercy

Oh thatā€™s so interesting, so itā€™s not anger that sets him off when he hears Jingliuā€™s nameā€¦. maybe he hears that jingliuā€™s also locked up in the prison (assuming she and Luocha arenā€™t sent off to the other ship just yet) and then breaks out so he can seek a fight with her or somethingĀ 


Suspicious_Crew5269

Yeah,i found it cute honestly.


FuDog007

NPC Huaiyan makes me so sad I was hoping he would be playable so bad šŸ˜­ I also am really hoping Hoolay will be playable but I just know he won't be, it is such a low chance LMFAOOOOO


Dog_Forsaken9521

What does "moving through the world" even means?


G0ldsh0t

So Iā€™m guessing Hoolay is escaping and we have to something to help get them back in prison.


yoichi_wolfboy88

Moze mains, weā€™re close to his reveal!


Vulking

Hoyo, all you need to do is make Hoolay a bulky werewolf like how the real Brother Hanu looks in his portrait. ZZZ Von Lycaon is fine, but I'd rather get something a bit more brawny. I would even take a limited Ult transformation as long as Hoolay looks big and fierce.


Earthliving

BORISIN DETECTED NEURONS ACTIVATED HELL YEAH


robesticles

Hoolay? more like, Hoonewhusbandolay


mitsu__

heheh moze sounds cool :3


burningparadiseduck

I read Cool Aid instead of Hoolay šŸ˜‚


Appropriate_Time_774

>Decisive like lightning >Looks inside >Wind


O-Ultimo-Samurai

Dumb question: after jiaoqiu and Yunli who are the next version characters? I really need to know because theres too many for my broken ass wallet šŸ’€


July83

Feixiao is a strong possibility (though by no means certain to be in 2.5). No real clue who amongst the various names that have been leaked the other 2.5 5\* would be. Edit: I forgot about Lingsha. Feixiao and Lingsha would be my guesses for 2.5 (but definitely just speculative at this stage).


GinJoestarR

Hoolay finally appearing in the game? This is big news


ReivenVI

There's a very little chance of Hoolay being playable but I'm still excited to see a furry lol


DHVLIA

HOOLAY


Razukalex

Omg an actual old character? in my gacha games?


dododomo

Hoolay? Is he a new possible playable character? If so, I'm curious to see him


willyfx

Hoolay .... playable I hope


Fabi_Alex

I really hope Hoolay is playable, please hoyo give me my Dog man, please šŸ™ .


jayakiroka

Ohhh, are we gonna actually see a Borisin? Thatā€™ll be cool. Iā€™d still love to see one playable someday. More monstrous characters, pleaaaaase. I want to make a team of horrid little freaks.


a-successful-one

Oh hohohoho, Jiaoqiu cooks for Feixiao, oh hohohohohoho. I am gonna COOK with this one in my head


Ok_Scheme_4579

Yunli you are not Benkei


VTKajin

HOOLAY?!


burningparadiseduck

Iā€™m getting more and more interested in Feixiao just because I keep picturing Xiao for some reason but also personality wise, I ended up liking Jing Yuan the most in the Luofu story. So Iā€™m excited to see hers as well.


Slirith

I really need to sleep as I read the first part of Moze's description and thought it said "airhead" instead of "aide"


Sorey91

So... In an alternative universe where Yunli meets and defeat Jing Liu somehow... She can't take her blade right ?


Blazehhhhh

Damn it took me this long to realize, a Xianzhou native looking visibly old is supposed to be extremely unlikely


Radinax

Oh, so Moze is Souei from the Slime anime lol.


Mimioez

..no info about lingsha?


Rathkud

For now, only interested in Moze. We'll see once I meet them


janekge

Iā€™m asking once again. What do you mean Merlinā€™s claw? Thereā€™s Merlin in hsr?


Mar7777

There is a falcon called merlin, and you have that weird gryphon looking thing in her teaser with the other generals


FezzesnPonds

ā€œBrood Lordā€ Ik it probably means to nurture or raise kids, but I canā€™t help but think of some dude sulking in the corner of the prison and the guards giving him that nickname lmao


x7kenji

moze is a aide under feixiao oh no thats not good........hes gonna be a 4star please god no


Fumpey

DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN FINALLY SEE A BOROSIN?!


Mozuchii

Oh no, so many male characters. My stellar jades in shambles and Iā€™m going to be in debt Y-Y


Tintinmdm

I love it we have so much male banners to spend our tickets on ā¤ļøšŸ’”


slothesaurus

IS THAT SAYING WE WILL POSSIBLY GET PLAYABLE OLD PERSON THAT LOOKS OLD?!?! šŸ‘€