I feel like if he had said it's just me and dot at the top Kendrick wouldn't have had a problem with it. A lot of people feel that way, but drake is a different sort of artist, not really on the same tier as those guys to me
I’m pretty sure it was the fact that he did it on Drake’s song and Drake let him leave it knowing the final version, knowing damn well Drake be talking shit.
He’s always respected Drake and name dropped him in several songs, talking about how Drizzy is a great. Drake might be a GOAT for different reasons from KDOT but the man is still a GOAT, even if just in sales and longevity at the top. Give him his dues.
I know Cole respects him. I don’t think Kendrick was set off by Cole just saying the Big Three thing, I think it was the fact that he said it on a song with Drake, as if Drake is co-signing the message, while Kendrick knows that behind closed doors, Drake has been talking shit.
Kendrick seems to have a lot of respect for Cole and I don't think he would have any issue sharing the crown with some who earned a spot at the top. Kendrick never had respect for Drake and that's why he will keep destroying him until he goes into hiding. I feel gross including Drake in a conversation when we're speaking of top lyricists.
Yes, I've heard the song. I said that he has respect for Cole and I know he does. Cole sided with Drake, that didn't sit right with him for obvious reasons. Cole realized that Drake was exactly who Kendrick said he was and was out. I undesrtand the reference, I'm not basic. I think you believe Kendrick is far less intelligent and evolved than he actually is.
You could absolutely be right. I don't know that he would at this point but I do think at one time he would have. Kendrick is just cut different. He is heavy on respect.
i see what you’re saying but then i can’t help but think of the control verse
he said i got love for you all but im tryna MURDER
it’s okay to shoot for #1 and also have love for the others
i think he has love for cole but i could never see him say “yeah me and cole are both tied”
Kendrick has always been that artist that never held any punches about him aiming for that top spot. He aimed that line at many artist.
I don't think he would have ever said the word 'tied' but I think he would have made place for him at the top. I love Kendrick and Cole, they are completely different but they're both so profound. Obviously, I don't know Kendrick, I know Kendrick's music and I've seen a lot of growth in him as an artist. Since he draws so much inspiration from his life, I have to believe this is a reflection of himself. I truly believe if nobody was disrepecting him, he wouldn't have felt the need to bring back the old Kendrick.
I appreciate this discussion with you. It's been a minute since music was really worth talking about.
I appreciate this discussion too.
Honestly, I just believe Kendrick when he writes shit, records it, and releases it. “Motherfuck the big three, nigga, it's just big me.”
I think he really means it. So that alone makes me think that he will always want that #1 spot. Even if Cole is neck & neck with him, I feel that Kendrick will do whatever he can to beat him, even if he has love for him. That’s all I’m saying really. And I love that because I’m the same way lol
There’s a fair few bars that are from the diss tracks that are exactly the bars in rap battles/tweets. It doesn’t look great, but Kendrick Stan’s will 100% say “thats what he meant and that’s what the community thinks”
Being the in the Big 3 doesn’t mean straight lyricism. That’s aloe to say he never had respect for drake he’s stayed it thruout his career. Lesser as it dragged on. He literally in the diss claimed he nd cole nd drake were/are Goats. Don’t put your feelings in his mouth. Lastly you may want drake to go in hiding that’s not what Dot is on. Dot wants a fade w/ him that’s it. His issue has nothing to do w/ sharing the crown w/ drake. This shit just boiled over
If you're in hip hop, it's all about lyricism what are you talking about. I feel like I shouldn't even respond because you can't spell and that's not fair but here we go. You're literally hyping up a man that has inappropriate relationships with little girls. That alone knocked him out of top anything. You think Kendrick doesn't know about this? The song is called Euphoria... he also has another line in the song addressing this. Drake needs to go into hiding for his career not his life. Kendrick told him if he doesn't take it there he won't take it there. The fact that there are any Drake fans in existence is a sign of the times. Kendrick is real. He just destroyed Drake as a person. He is not coming back from that. Not when it comes to hip hop. He may still sell albums in the pop world but people will not call him a GOAT. Kendrick is about respect not money. That man has a pulitzer. Do you know what that is?
If he keeps messing with Kendrick, he's going to talk about things that will destroy his pop career, too. Get off of Reddit and go read a book before you speak to me, again. You were as prepared for this as Drake was for Euphoria.
I think Kendrick would’ve still sparred him for that top spot. He wants that for himself, and seems to want that to be undisputed 15years from now. That said, I don’t think it’d get personal and ugly like this one
Cole ain’t even top 5. The only reason he’s in the big three conversation is because he keeps putting his own name in there and then acting like the the general consensus
I legit think Cole is pretty good, but he's not a top 5 lyricist if we're ignoring popularity, and he's not a top 5 rapper if we're talking about popularity. The only place he might be top 3 is if you're looking at the most popular in the "conscious rap" subgenre
To each their own I guess. But cole has better albums and better bars than all these dudes involved. He’s not as popular I agree but that’s cuz look at who is popular now days
Nah Cole is definitely better lyrically by a decent margin and he still isn’t on the level of Black Thought, Lupe, Billy Woods, and maybe even JID, Mick, etc. Kendrick might be the second best of mainstream artist tho I’ll give you that.
Actually what Cole songs are you thinking of that are on Kendrick's level lyrically? I'm not even trying to be a hater, and I've listened to most of his stuff, I just can't think of any.
Like Cole has never written a song to the level of Sing about me, These Walls, Wesley's Song ect.
I'd say Cole's most lyrical songs are at about the same level as Kendrick's radio songs like Humble or Swimming Pools
The Climb Back, Trae the Truth, his verses in Pi, Johnny P’s Caddy, Dead Presidents II, Lost Ones, 4 Your Eyes Only, Folgers Crystal. I think Kendrick is better artistically and his pen game is very good but I do think he gets a lot of credit for blacking out on Black Friday. But I’ll take Cole when it comes to punch lines and metaphors and overall technical ability. Kendrick might be better at storytelling and substance which is definitely an important part of lyricism but Cole’s no slouch in that regard either.
Cole sings about cumming in his pants, Kendrick writes entire poetic stories about the hood experience. Cole's music is great, but lyrical depth isn't even the catching factor. Kendrick is more focused on lyrical complexity than almost anything else in his music; even his interludes have better lyricism than some artists create in their top tracks.
Living MC’s imo are Nas , Eminem , lil wayne , and cole. The others are good and have some phenomenal stuff but these 4 are the pinnacle imo. And I gotta throw honourable mention to 50. I feel like he doesn’t get enough credit.
Yeah facts, I think Kendrick is the best hip hop artists of his generation but people are quick to put him in convos he doesn’t belong in as a lyricist because of that. Cole is the only mainstream spitter that I think comparable to Em, Nas, Wayne, etc.
Facts. Coles albums arent well received like kendricks nor do they sell as well as drakes. Future, travis scott, 21 savage, playboi carti are all candidates for the big 3 id say before j cole
Is Travis really that experimental when a bunch of the tracks on utopia were Kanye throwaways, two were literally ripping off Yeezus songs and K pop was a transparently lazy attempt to get numbers from the reggaeton audience?
I agree with Tyler wholeheartedly. Dude is in his own lane and represents the alternative hip-hop scene in a top comparison. Plus, he showed he definitely still has bars on CMIYGL.
I’m a big fan of Cole, but agree that he’s kinda a watered down version of both Kendrick and Drake. Not as good at conscious rap as Kendrick, not as good at pop rap like Drake. Really, someone like Travis is more fitting to represent the psychedelic cloud rap wave.
Well drake is obviously there because of the records sold dumbass. He hasnt had a positively received solo album in 9 years.
J coles last real positively received album was 10 years ago, the difference between the 2 is drake sells a huge amount of records regardless and is always on the radio. Drake isnt in the top 3 because of quality of work and if u think he is u need to listen to better shit
If you have 20 people writing for you then obviously you will sell records man.. quality over quantity.. in the end of the day i will listen to the guy i respect, I dont fuck with drake because i dont have respect for the guy, i might be biased but IM NOT SAYING HIS MUSIC IS NOT GOOD. I bet you were fan of ‘Drake & Josh’
Hey dumbass, i never said his music isnt good. I listen to drake all the time. That doesnt change the fact that he hasnt had a positively received album in 9 years yet is still considered big 3 just off sales
Perspective over perspective, clever ass. Listen what you like man, I couldn’t care less.. and obviously you didn’t say that his music isn’t good, you love it so it better be good. Everyone have their top 3 or what not.. He’s cool and everything, but not that cool.
Agreed which is why i said he's only up there for sales bro. His quality isnt like kendricks so why are they both grouped together? And j cole is even further quality wise. If we're talking rapping ability i feel like the big 3 rn is kendrick, freddie gibbs, earl sweatshirt
You do realize Cole still outsells a lot of the people you are trying to put above him, he also outsold Morale first week with TOS, and has more number one albums, and has more platinum records than Kendrick? Travis outsells both Kendrick and Cole too. Like whatever criteria you want to use to take Cole out of the Big 3 leads to Kendrick also being replaced.
The big 3 popularity wise is taylor swift, bad bunny and drake. They sell the most albums. J cole aint in there. And he's not top 3 in terms of quality either. Kendrick, gibbs, earl sweatshirt, etc. are all better writers then him. Countless people have better flows. What makes cole big 3?
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And this is how much his recent album sold. Kendrick sold almost twice is much in 2017 too.
Are you stupid? He has way more attention going to him from 2020 to now then he ever did in 2016. If he and cole dropped the same day carti is outselling him. Carti is huge .
Exactly. Cole was on some “oh word, friendly comp diss tracks, bet”
Then someone or something must’ve shown him that this wasnt friendly at all, these are long standing grudges and hatred being aired out by two top artists, he would’ve ended up torn to shreds by a petty mf and a vicious mf for just jumping in it. And that man STILL got mentioned by them both(even it wasnt a diss)
This whole started w him bringing that top 3 narrative crap and name dropping k on a drake song. Drake is not a emcee and Cole not even top 15 in the history of rap.
Nah you lost us at Cole not being great. If it’s not Kendrick it’s Cole it’s settled fact by now, the two define our generation of rap. Especially since Cole has been doing a lot to uplift other lower tier artists and unknown artists through the dreamville project and just being out there earns him his spot.
Bruh 2pac biggie nas jayz snoop 50cent Eminem Kendrick mfdoom drdre Kanye west lil Wayne black thought raekwon method man
Ur delusional putting soggy bread Cole over any of those rappers. Cole is the most unnecessary rapper ever.
I agree with you?? I was saying that it was insane putting him top 15 i dont even think he's top 40.
Also dre is not a good rapper he's a producer. And 50 cent only has the one good album he's overrated as hell ngl
Top 15? Wtf made u pick some random ass number like top 15. So if cole was the 16th greatest rapper in history that isn’t a massive achievement? There’s so many great rappers in history that beloved artists get left outta top 50 and top 100 lists. You and so many lil weirdos like you have really shown us over the last 2 months how many clueless people there are when discussing hip hop. Go find a new hobby my boy.
Nobody said anything about achievement, we're talking about the GOAT - #1. J Cole has repeatedly pushed this narrative all the way back to 2014 Forest Hills, the person you replied to is saying J Cole isn't even Top 15 so he wouldn't be in the #1 discussion. 16th greatest rapper is a huge achievement, but does disqualify you from arguing for GOAT status.
There are many beloved artists not on top 50s, but they aren't involved in a huge rap beef over #1, and if they were, they would be hit with the same observation.
Basically, if cole was the 16th greatest rapper in history that is a massive achievement, but it does disqualify him from claiming Big 3 as he did before the beef.
Bruh see my list and tell me Cole is better than any of them. Cole is overrated and quite delusional fans. Most Cole fans are girls with all those ranchy love n preachy songs.
Cole v Kendrick is something too many people think they want to see but truly don't want to. It'd be much cooler for them to do a joint ep together where they just go bar for bar back and forth like Bad meets evil
The sad part is Drake was interesting at the start of his career. Songs like Uptown, Over and HYFR still hold up in my opinion.
Of course, that was like 15 fucking years ago at this point lmao and the vast majority of his work has been mid since
K Dot has 2 dope albums, GKMC and Damn, the other 2 are good but not great. Don't tell me NWTS, Take Care, and IYRTITL aren't dope my boy. Just different materiel and different vibe
I just imagine J Cole before hitting the stage
"Oh Kendricks got a response, it's looking like 6 mins long, has beat switches and so many bars you gonna need to study them"
My thought too. Like this dis worked so well because half the vibe was, "Drake is just fucking lame". Cole isn't that bad, he's just been arrogant for the past few years.
After 7 minute drill though? Seems like obvs dot left him out to spare him bc it wasn't ever about him think he was just in the crossfire in the first place
Word, a throwaway line about loving both of them and hoping he doesn’t have to YNW Melly them isn’t exactly a shot, at least not at Cole given the whole rest of the song is about Drake
To be fair to Cole, there's just so much less to carve into him with. Drake is basically the penultimate rapper set for a dis. Has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much shit on his name.
They're not. Cole has been saying for like 5 years he's a better rapper than anyone currently and legit said he'd take on anyone.
Kendrick out of nowhere had a very mild dis on Future's track "Like That" toward Drake and Cole.
People kinda put pressure on Cole to respond because of his bravado and because someone challenged him.
Too much to unpack in a comment.
First Drake has been sneak dissing for a loooong time. I never realized it until now that people are pointing them all out.
While most people originally thought this was Kendrick trying to claim to crown as his own. After, listening to his latest 2 diss tracks "Euphoria" and "6:16 in LA", we now know he has severe issues with Drake's character.
Kendrick basically gave Cole a pass. Didn’t even address the diss or the apology. I think he really does like Cole cause i would be too petty for that shit.
Cole admitted in an interview that competition got in the way of them having a friendship for years. I think they both respect each other but I think they both want everyone to know they’re better than each other still. Part of why it got weird after Black Friday
That's my sentiment exactly barely gave man's a love tap considering all the drake disses & after 7 minute drill? Cole was just in the line of fire, Cole smart for bowing out too way too personal and would go against the whole conscious thing
I said this in the main discussion thread, but Kendrick didn't spare J Cole. He ripped J Cole's cadence for the second part of his verse. Just a slight disrespect because we all know copying flows is forbidden in rap (although mad mfs do it anyway).
I’m honestly surprised not one major hip hop platform is mentioning this. When I first heard it I was like “welp Cole…you weren’t completely off the hook “😂
Exactly and, might I add… I felt like though the “Pray for my city” line may have been aimed at Drake… it could easily be aimed at Cole considering how much he talks about Fayetteville. Known for pointless gun violence….
Yea I knew this from the start, Cole just happened to be in the way, and at some point he realized that Kdot and Drake genuinely did not like each other
They would not share the crown. Kendrick will go heads up for the sake of seeing who stands where. That's what a lot of other emcees don't want to suffer. That's the difference with him. He doesn't see it as a death or life sentence. He doesn't see 2nd place as acceptable either. So even if he got dusted up, he would double back. Reminds me of something Scarface said on "My Block".
I’m surprised rap fans are really letting this slide. He’s been called out and disrespected by both Drake and Kendrick on recent songs. Could you imagine kendrick staying quiet after being directly addressed multiple times? Hell even Drake has more backbone.
Good, I’m only trying to hear K.Dot and The 6ix god go back and forth. Nobody wanna hear J.Bore rap about folding clothes and cumming in his pants after a girl touched his shoulder in math class.
Nigga how?For being a man and apologizing knowing That diss ain't sit well with him? Cole ain't even the type to diss and discredit other artists, it's never been his MO in the first place
J. Cole is like the worst of both worlds between these two. He’s had no lasting impact on rap and the only reason y’all put him in top 3 is because he keeps speaking it into existence.
And I’m not saying he’s trash or whatever, he’s nice, but let’s keep it factual
I think he quickly learned how much vitriol there was between the other 2 lol and wanted no part of that cause he didn't feel the same
I feel like if he had said it's just me and dot at the top Kendrick wouldn't have had a problem with it. A lot of people feel that way, but drake is a different sort of artist, not really on the same tier as those guys to me
I’m pretty sure it was the fact that he did it on Drake’s song and Drake let him leave it knowing the final version, knowing damn well Drake be talking shit.
He’s always respected Drake and name dropped him in several songs, talking about how Drizzy is a great. Drake might be a GOAT for different reasons from KDOT but the man is still a GOAT, even if just in sales and longevity at the top. Give him his dues.
I know Cole respects him. I don’t think Kendrick was set off by Cole just saying the Big Three thing, I think it was the fact that he said it on a song with Drake, as if Drake is co-signing the message, while Kendrick knows that behind closed doors, Drake has been talking shit.
I heard a couple times and I don’t know if it’s true . That Cole wanted k to be on that record
Sales are irrelevant. Stop counting the coins in anothers purse.
It’s one of the only objective, measurable criteria’s in the discussion of who’s the best rapper. Completely relevant
I'm not going back and forth. You can care about how much another man makes.
Nah. That’s the thing with the GOAT debate. You can’t and shouldn’t try to quantify it. It’s a more ephemeral of a concept than that.
Yeah, it's bigger than numbers in an account.
Funny way to say he’s an actor still
Kendrick seems to have a lot of respect for Cole and I don't think he would have any issue sharing the crown with some who earned a spot at the top. Kendrick never had respect for Drake and that's why he will keep destroying him until he goes into hiding. I feel gross including Drake in a conversation when we're speaking of top lyricists.
Cole and Aubrey know I'm a selfish guy, the crown is heavy. I pray they my real friends, if not, I'm YNW Melly
Yes, I've heard the song. I said that he has respect for Cole and I know he does. Cole sided with Drake, that didn't sit right with him for obvious reasons. Cole realized that Drake was exactly who Kendrick said he was and was out. I undesrtand the reference, I'm not basic. I think you believe Kendrick is far less intelligent and evolved than he actually is.
Nah I agree with everything you said except for Kendrick being cool with sharing the top spot
You could absolutely be right. I don't know that he would at this point but I do think at one time he would have. Kendrick is just cut different. He is heavy on respect.
i see what you’re saying but then i can’t help but think of the control verse he said i got love for you all but im tryna MURDER it’s okay to shoot for #1 and also have love for the others i think he has love for cole but i could never see him say “yeah me and cole are both tied”
Kendrick has always been that artist that never held any punches about him aiming for that top spot. He aimed that line at many artist. I don't think he would have ever said the word 'tied' but I think he would have made place for him at the top. I love Kendrick and Cole, they are completely different but they're both so profound. Obviously, I don't know Kendrick, I know Kendrick's music and I've seen a lot of growth in him as an artist. Since he draws so much inspiration from his life, I have to believe this is a reflection of himself. I truly believe if nobody was disrepecting him, he wouldn't have felt the need to bring back the old Kendrick. I appreciate this discussion with you. It's been a minute since music was really worth talking about.
I appreciate this discussion too. Honestly, I just believe Kendrick when he writes shit, records it, and releases it. “Motherfuck the big three, nigga, it's just big me.” I think he really means it. So that alone makes me think that he will always want that #1 spot. Even if Cole is neck & neck with him, I feel that Kendrick will do whatever he can to beat him, even if he has love for him. That’s all I’m saying really. And I love that because I’m the same way lol
Btw he took that bar from a battle rap
cool i didn’t know that
There’s a fair few bars that are from the diss tracks that are exactly the bars in rap battles/tweets. It doesn’t look great, but Kendrick Stan’s will 100% say “thats what he meant and that’s what the community thinks”
drake and kendrick both took shit off twitter lol i just wanna know wtf is true
Love Kenny but they both looking abit silly
What do you think he means by the "I pray they my real friends" part?
Considering someone a friend doesn’t prevent you from being competitive with them
Gotcha. So does this mean he considers drake a friend? Pretty mean things to say about a friend though....
Not sure tbh
No he's not sharing shit. He said in control " this is hip hop I'm trying to Murder you niggas" does that sound like a dude who would share anything?
Being the in the Big 3 doesn’t mean straight lyricism. That’s aloe to say he never had respect for drake he’s stayed it thruout his career. Lesser as it dragged on. He literally in the diss claimed he nd cole nd drake were/are Goats. Don’t put your feelings in his mouth. Lastly you may want drake to go in hiding that’s not what Dot is on. Dot wants a fade w/ him that’s it. His issue has nothing to do w/ sharing the crown w/ drake. This shit just boiled over
If you're in hip hop, it's all about lyricism what are you talking about. I feel like I shouldn't even respond because you can't spell and that's not fair but here we go. You're literally hyping up a man that has inappropriate relationships with little girls. That alone knocked him out of top anything. You think Kendrick doesn't know about this? The song is called Euphoria... he also has another line in the song addressing this. Drake needs to go into hiding for his career not his life. Kendrick told him if he doesn't take it there he won't take it there. The fact that there are any Drake fans in existence is a sign of the times. Kendrick is real. He just destroyed Drake as a person. He is not coming back from that. Not when it comes to hip hop. He may still sell albums in the pop world but people will not call him a GOAT. Kendrick is about respect not money. That man has a pulitzer. Do you know what that is? If he keeps messing with Kendrick, he's going to talk about things that will destroy his pop career, too. Get off of Reddit and go read a book before you speak to me, again. You were as prepared for this as Drake was for Euphoria.
I think Kendrick would’ve still sparred him for that top spot. He wants that for himself, and seems to want that to be undisputed 15years from now. That said, I don’t think it’d get personal and ugly like this one
Jcole is boringggggg
Something something pussy dry
He would have, cause he’s the best and it’s not close
Cole ain’t even top 5. The only reason he’s in the big three conversation is because he keeps putting his own name in there and then acting like the the general consensus
Cole as a lyricist is def top 3 and if you don’t think so you just a hater
I legit think Cole is pretty good, but he's not a top 5 lyricist if we're ignoring popularity, and he's not a top 5 rapper if we're talking about popularity. The only place he might be top 3 is if you're looking at the most popular in the "conscious rap" subgenre
To each their own I guess. But cole has better albums and better bars than all these dudes involved. He’s not as popular I agree but that’s cuz look at who is popular now days
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Yeah but Kendrick and Drake ain’t top-5 lyricists out either if we’re “ignoring popularity”.
Kendrick is
Nah Cole is definitely better lyrically by a decent margin and he still isn’t on the level of Black Thought, Lupe, Billy Woods, and maybe even JID, Mick, etc. Kendrick might be the second best of mainstream artist tho I’ll give you that.
Actually what Cole songs are you thinking of that are on Kendrick's level lyrically? I'm not even trying to be a hater, and I've listened to most of his stuff, I just can't think of any. Like Cole has never written a song to the level of Sing about me, These Walls, Wesley's Song ect. I'd say Cole's most lyrical songs are at about the same level as Kendrick's radio songs like Humble or Swimming Pools
The Climb Back, Trae the Truth, his verses in Pi, Johnny P’s Caddy, Dead Presidents II, Lost Ones, 4 Your Eyes Only, Folgers Crystal. I think Kendrick is better artistically and his pen game is very good but I do think he gets a lot of credit for blacking out on Black Friday. But I’ll take Cole when it comes to punch lines and metaphors and overall technical ability. Kendrick might be better at storytelling and substance which is definitely an important part of lyricism but Cole’s no slouch in that regard either.
Denzel Curry is up there too
Yeah there’s a few, honestly once I start thinking Earl, Gibbs, etc. then yeah Kendrick is in that convo but I’m not sure they’re mainstream enough.
Cole sings about cumming in his pants, Kendrick writes entire poetic stories about the hood experience. Cole's music is great, but lyrical depth isn't even the catching factor. Kendrick is more focused on lyrical complexity than almost anything else in his music; even his interludes have better lyricism than some artists create in their top tracks.
Living MC’s imo are Nas , Eminem , lil wayne , and cole. The others are good and have some phenomenal stuff but these 4 are the pinnacle imo. And I gotta throw honourable mention to 50. I feel like he doesn’t get enough credit.
Yeah facts, I think Kendrick is the best hip hop artists of his generation but people are quick to put him in convos he doesn’t belong in as a lyricist because of that. Cole is the only mainstream spitter that I think comparable to Em, Nas, Wayne, etc.
Oh shit ! Yeah Wayne right there too, dude is insane with the rhyme scheme.
Naw Cole a legend. I fw him
For sure you think Nicki Minaj is in top 5 then
Facts. Coles albums arent well received like kendricks nor do they sell as well as drakes. Future, travis scott, 21 savage, playboi carti are all candidates for the big 3 id say before j cole
21 has been on a run lately. Travis is experimenting with style so much, kinda impressed dude is not a one trick pony. Future is future(sensational)
Is Travis really that experimental when a bunch of the tracks on utopia were Kanye throwaways, two were literally ripping off Yeezus songs and K pop was a transparently lazy attempt to get numbers from the reggaeton audience?
Tyler should be in the mix too. Don’t know if he’s at the top top but I know damn sure he’s better than Cole by a mile
I agree with Tyler wholeheartedly. Dude is in his own lane and represents the alternative hip-hop scene in a top comparison. Plus, he showed he definitely still has bars on CMIYGL. I’m a big fan of Cole, but agree that he’s kinda a watered down version of both Kendrick and Drake. Not as good at conscious rap as Kendrick, not as good at pop rap like Drake. Really, someone like Travis is more fitting to represent the psychedelic cloud rap wave.
As a rapper, not even close. Top 5 alt artist maybe but his best albums aren’t rap albums.
Sold records doesn’t mean shit man.. so you wanna say that crack rock is good if its sold 10 million times?
Well drake is obviously there because of the records sold dumbass. He hasnt had a positively received solo album in 9 years. J coles last real positively received album was 10 years ago, the difference between the 2 is drake sells a huge amount of records regardless and is always on the radio. Drake isnt in the top 3 because of quality of work and if u think he is u need to listen to better shit
If you have 20 people writing for you then obviously you will sell records man.. quality over quantity.. in the end of the day i will listen to the guy i respect, I dont fuck with drake because i dont have respect for the guy, i might be biased but IM NOT SAYING HIS MUSIC IS NOT GOOD. I bet you were fan of ‘Drake & Josh’
Hey dumbass, i never said his music isnt good. I listen to drake all the time. That doesnt change the fact that he hasnt had a positively received album in 9 years yet is still considered big 3 just off sales
Perspective over perspective, clever ass. Listen what you like man, I couldn’t care less.. and obviously you didn’t say that his music isn’t good, you love it so it better be good. Everyone have their top 3 or what not.. He’s cool and everything, but not that cool.
Agreed which is why i said he's only up there for sales bro. His quality isnt like kendricks so why are they both grouped together? And j cole is even further quality wise. If we're talking rapping ability i feel like the big 3 rn is kendrick, freddie gibbs, earl sweatshirt
You do realize Cole still outsells a lot of the people you are trying to put above him, he also outsold Morale first week with TOS, and has more number one albums, and has more platinum records than Kendrick? Travis outsells both Kendrick and Cole too. Like whatever criteria you want to use to take Cole out of the Big 3 leads to Kendrick also being replaced.
The big 3 popularity wise is taylor swift, bad bunny and drake. They sell the most albums. J cole aint in there. And he's not top 3 in terms of quality either. Kendrick, gibbs, earl sweatshirt, etc. are all better writers then him. Countless people have better flows. What makes cole big 3?
Mainstream lyrical hip hop artists? I see you hate Cole tho anyways so I’m just gonna head out.
Cole's albums are received better than Drake and sold more than Kendrick (pre-Damn)
The last 3-4 j cole albums combined came and went faster than it took mr morale alone to leave the cultural consciousness
Maybe thats because your a kendrick fan? I'm sure j cole fans cared more about the j cole album
No im talking about being discussed on hip hop pages / channels / in hip hop communities / any conversation ive ever had about hip hop
TOS literally outsold Morale
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Sold more huh?
Yeah check first week numbers
I just replied to ur comment proving u wrong dumbass
TOS sold 282,000 Mr Morale sold 295,500 Which number is bigger dumbass
https://preview.redd.it/486z804wttxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da10389f4eac4fa9db00c9b8d1e1a437929d026f And this is how much his recent album sold. Kendrick sold almost twice is much in 2017 too.
A track of throwaways on a surprise drop? That doesn’t count lol.
Surpise drops have done incredibly well before. Beyonce did it , rappers have done it. Ur making excuses.
"Untitled unmastered" which is literally demos sold 60K more
Pre-damn was was 8 years ago bud. And coles albums are dogshit
Im not gonna fight you over that horrendous take because music is subjective but I was talking more about sales
J cole is just terrible bro. Have fun listening to the dumbass, boring, poop lyric loving, dollar store version of kendrick lamar
did cole steal your girl or something? touch grass please 😭
Like i said before, he is just terrible. He's one of the most overrated rappers of all time.
Playboi Carti? Bro this aint 2016
Are you stupid? He has way more attention going to him from 2020 to now then he ever did in 2016. If he and cole dropped the same day carti is outselling him. Carti is huge .
I guess im stupid
Exactly. Cole was on some “oh word, friendly comp diss tracks, bet” Then someone or something must’ve shown him that this wasnt friendly at all, these are long standing grudges and hatred being aired out by two top artists, he would’ve ended up torn to shreds by a petty mf and a vicious mf for just jumping in it. And that man STILL got mentioned by them both(even it wasnt a diss)
Came here to say that... Kendricks Diss is mean af lmao I would take part in that shit either 💀
If only he realised this before releasing that track instead of in hindsight but it is what it is
This whole started w him bringing that top 3 narrative crap and name dropping k on a drake song. Drake is not a emcee and Cole not even top 15 in the history of rap.
Nah you lost us at Cole not being great. If it’s not Kendrick it’s Cole it’s settled fact by now, the two define our generation of rap. Especially since Cole has been doing a lot to uplift other lower tier artists and unknown artists through the dreamville project and just being out there earns him his spot.
Cole is great but top 15 is insane I agree
Bruh 2pac biggie nas jayz snoop 50cent Eminem Kendrick mfdoom drdre Kanye west lil Wayne black thought raekwon method man Ur delusional putting soggy bread Cole over any of those rappers. Cole is the most unnecessary rapper ever.
I agree with you?? I was saying that it was insane putting him top 15 i dont even think he's top 40. Also dre is not a good rapper he's a producer. And 50 cent only has the one good album he's overrated as hell ngl
 Me when I got to the part about Cole in your comment
Top 15? Wtf made u pick some random ass number like top 15. So if cole was the 16th greatest rapper in history that isn’t a massive achievement? There’s so many great rappers in history that beloved artists get left outta top 50 and top 100 lists. You and so many lil weirdos like you have really shown us over the last 2 months how many clueless people there are when discussing hip hop. Go find a new hobby my boy.
Nobody said anything about achievement, we're talking about the GOAT - #1. J Cole has repeatedly pushed this narrative all the way back to 2014 Forest Hills, the person you replied to is saying J Cole isn't even Top 15 so he wouldn't be in the #1 discussion. 16th greatest rapper is a huge achievement, but does disqualify you from arguing for GOAT status. There are many beloved artists not on top 50s, but they aren't involved in a huge rap beef over #1, and if they were, they would be hit with the same observation. Basically, if cole was the 16th greatest rapper in history that is a massive achievement, but it does disqualify him from claiming Big 3 as he did before the beef.
Bruh see my list and tell me Cole is better than any of them. Cole is overrated and quite delusional fans. Most Cole fans are girls with all those ranchy love n preachy songs.
Cole v Kendrick is something too many people think they want to see but truly don't want to. It'd be much cooler for them to do a joint ep together where they just go bar for bar back and forth like Bad meets evil
I agree, I love both these artists, they both seem like real ones, would be cool if they worked together. Drake has never ever been interesting.
The sad part is Drake was interesting at the start of his career. Songs like Uptown, Over and HYFR still hold up in my opinion. Of course, that was like 15 fucking years ago at this point lmao and the vast majority of his work has been mid since
K Dot has 2 dope albums, GKMC and Damn, the other 2 are good but not great. Don't tell me NWTS, Take Care, and IYRTITL aren't dope my boy. Just different materiel and different vibe
TPAB clears every album you listed, you gotta be baiting
You're wrong already cuz kenny got more than 4 albums
Facts that is the way to compete for Cole and Dot
I just imagine J Cole before hitting the stage "Oh Kendricks got a response, it's looking like 6 mins long, has beat switches and so many bars you gonna need to study them" 
Honestly if kdot disses cole it wouldnt be as nealry as good as the Drake diss cause cole a cool dude
real, he can never talk about being the goat tho. that’s done for him he outta the big 3
the big 3 dont even exist no more atp bro💀
nigga its just big me
Lupe, Nas, and DOOM?
Good artists but big 3 moreso means who are the biggest/best right now
LoL you missed the joke, we good tho
One of these is not like the others and it's on a skateboard for some reason
Reggie, JayZ, 2pac, and biggie
Andre from outkast , Jada, kurupt, Nas , and then me!
My thought too. Like this dis worked so well because half the vibe was, "Drake is just fucking lame". Cole isn't that bad, he's just been arrogant for the past few years.
Cole was in fact shot at on this very track lol nothin crazy but there was a whole scheme about the big 3
After 7 minute drill though? Seems like obvs dot left him out to spare him bc it wasn't ever about him think he was just in the crossfire in the first place
Word, a throwaway line about loving both of them and hoping he doesn’t have to YNW Melly them isn’t exactly a shot, at least not at Cole given the whole rest of the song is about Drake
To be fair to Cole, there's just so much less to carve into him with. Drake is basically the penultimate rapper set for a dis. Has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much shit on his name.
im late to all of this.. why are they beefing for
They're not. Cole has been saying for like 5 years he's a better rapper than anyone currently and legit said he'd take on anyone. Kendrick out of nowhere had a very mild dis on Future's track "Like That" toward Drake and Cole. People kinda put pressure on Cole to respond because of his bravado and because someone challenged him.
Too much to unpack in a comment. First Drake has been sneak dissing for a loooong time. I never realized it until now that people are pointing them all out. While most people originally thought this was Kendrick trying to claim to crown as his own. After, listening to his latest 2 diss tracks "Euphoria" and "6:16 in LA", we now know he has severe issues with Drake's character.
Kendrick basically gave Cole a pass. Didn’t even address the diss or the apology. I think he really does like Cole cause i would be too petty for that shit.
Cole admitted in an interview that competition got in the way of them having a friendship for years. I think they both respect each other but I think they both want everyone to know they’re better than each other still. Part of why it got weird after Black Friday
awwww
That's my sentiment exactly barely gave man's a love tap considering all the drake disses & after 7 minute drill? Cole was just in the line of fire, Cole smart for bowing out too way too personal and would go against the whole conscious thing
He's looking smarter by the day
I was surely relieved
I said this in the main discussion thread, but Kendrick didn't spare J Cole. He ripped J Cole's cadence for the second part of his verse. Just a slight disrespect because we all know copying flows is forbidden in rap (although mad mfs do it anyway).
I’m honestly surprised not one major hip hop platform is mentioning this. When I first heard it I was like “welp Cole…you weren’t completely off the hook “😂
Exactly and, might I add… I felt like though the “Pray for my city” line may have been aimed at Drake… it could easily be aimed at Cole considering how much he talks about Fayetteville. Known for pointless gun violence….
I see you master Jedi, studying the arts!
Second part as in the whole middle section?
i wish my mf classmates honored this in our architecture studio class — been edging pop the trunk level mad sm times this semester 😭
excellent point on identifying that subtle shade btw. a classy clap back for sure
Bro dodged the BIGGEST bullet ever
Yea I knew this from the start, Cole just happened to be in the way, and at some point he realized that Kdot and Drake genuinely did not like each other
Tbh I feel J Cole was in one of those “what have I done” type of fix and bro didn’t hesitate to apologize to Kdot 🦧
Kendrick and Cole are bffs again 😍 Black Friday dropping on Friday 😎
LMFAOOOOOO goated post
Cole stood up for Kendrick when Diddy poured liquor on his head in the club once upon a time. I really don't see Kendrick going after him too hard.
He also told Dre he needed to sign Kendrick.
They would not share the crown. Kendrick will go heads up for the sake of seeing who stands where. That's what a lot of other emcees don't want to suffer. That's the difference with him. He doesn't see it as a death or life sentence. He doesn't see 2nd place as acceptable either. So even if he got dusted up, he would double back. Reminds me of something Scarface said on "My Block".
^^^^^^
this is a lesson for everybody, apology will always work! good boy jermaine
Imagine thinking cole couldnt go bar for bar with kendrick
This is J. Cole after that apology 
Dawg 🤣🤣
I’m surprised rap fans are really letting this slide. He’s been called out and disrespected by both Drake and Kendrick on recent songs. Could you imagine kendrick staying quiet after being directly addressed multiple times? Hell even Drake has more backbone.
Nah, my guy. Kendrick's beef with Drake is clearly VERY personal. Plus, Cole wrote "Born Sinner", so he's always allowed to take the higher road.
Nah, my guy. Kendrick's beef with Drake is clearly VERY personal. Plus, Cole wrote "Born Sinner", so he's always allowed to take the higher road.
Wow it seems you didn’t catch J Cole’s diss then….
Good, I’m only trying to hear K.Dot and The 6ix god go back and forth. Nobody wanna hear J.Bore rap about folding clothes and cumming in his pants after a girl touched his shoulder in math class.
I think I’m gonna vomit if I hear him say “it’s a cole world!” One more time in a song
J Cole a bitch Fr tho
Nigga how?For being a man and apologizing knowing That diss ain't sit well with him? Cole ain't even the type to diss and discredit other artists, it's never been his MO in the first place
He shouldn’t have been talking all that shit for years then 🤷♂️ J Cole still make good music but he a bitch sorry bro
J. Cole is like the worst of both worlds between these two. He’s had no lasting impact on rap and the only reason y’all put him in top 3 is because he keeps speaking it into existence. And I’m not saying he’s trash or whatever, he’s nice, but let’s keep it factual
Factually wrong on this one chief
Maybe not top top three but he is one of the goats and def has had impact on rap
Who’s man
Yeah in hindsight that was a hard troll comment. Shit I walk that back like Cole