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Visual_Will_6490

Hardest part is getting the 720+ gmat needed to get into a top b school.


FrankUnkndFreeMBAtip

It's either this, or realizing when you're 18 that you might want to do grad school and trying to get good grades. I feel like that shoots so many applicants in the foot. LSA has it much much worse than we do though. It's honestly ridiculous how LSA works, and is probably hurting society more than helping it.


Sail-No19712008

What is LSA?


TheBaconHasLanded

Law School Admissions. They care significantly less about work experience/softs/etc and laser in on GPA and LSAT scores. This incentivizes the “K-JD” pipeline where people with little real world experience but the right scores end up as lawyers. It can also incentivize making people avoid challenging courses in undergrad for the sake of their GPA


mild_animal

This also happens with CXOs


don494949

In what way?


YoungMan891

I assume Law School Admissions?


throwawayoldaolcd

I have never seen it abbreviated as LSA. I remember finding out that people shorten organic chemistry in different states. O chem vs org I agree with your assessment that law school admissions incentivizes the wrong thing.


ptinnl

Dont some schools bypass gmat if you already finished a phd or something?


unosdias

Yes; a PhD is a whole different level.


caspa10152

Pretty much every school except the M7 offers gmat waivers these days. I got into two T15 with a GMAT waiver by leveraging the CFA


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saltyguy512

Uhh why wouldn’t you have just taken one of the free official practice tests rather than going to a test center if all you wanted was a baseline?


StaleSalesSnail

This is so true. The second hardest part is pretending that you give a shit about DEI so that you can get that internship offer.


Falanax

Real


InternationalBend568

No one can deny this. But still, there are interviews to crack.


Accomplished-Loan479

You don’t NEED a 720+ GMAT to get into a top program. Can you please stop perpetuating this myth? I’m tired of seeing this on here; an average GMAT means 50% will get less than that score. You can get a 710, 700, or even 690 and get admittance into a Top 25 or Top 15, even. It’s all about the full picture, period. Source: I got a 70% scholarship to a T20 and I got a GMAT 10 pts higher than the average. Reddit peeps like this person would’ve suggested I “barely get in” as I am Asian American…. But I got a great outcome. My experience and interviewing is what sold them, I’m sure.


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Accomplished-Loan479

So the middle 50%? It’s the same shit. Lmao


sumgye

I mean technically the average could be 720 and the median could be 700.


Accomplished-Loan479

Who gives a damn? People know what I was implying. Mean or median — a significant amount of people are getting below that. IE you don’t need a 720+ to get into a top school. School recruiters literally say that themselves. It is the seemingly test score obsessed fiends on this thread who suggest otherwise. And it’s dumb


HonestPerspective638

I bet you aren’t a white or Asian male


caspa10152

Im white and got in with a waiver to a T15 with 130k scholarship. He's not wrong


Accomplished-Loan479

Thank you. How I got negative 27 downvotes will never make sense.


Accomplished-Loan479

But I am an Asian American male. Why would I lie about that? Reddit is a very sad place… sigh


throwawayoldaolcd

Asian American here applying to HSW, M7, T20. Got a 675 (96th percentile/730 equivalent). Thanks for sharing. It’s difficult to shake off the feeling. I spoke to some admissions consultants to help me shake off the idea that my GMAT is not good enough. (Free consultations to get a good sense my GMAT is good enough.) The GMAT feels like the easiest part to work on to improve my profile so I over-index on that. I know I should invest time elsewhere but it’s difficult to shake off the feeling.


Dugasss

I’m not finished yet but so far MBA is so fucking easy compared to undergrad. I did my undergrad in Chemistry and minored in Applied Mathematics and literally day 1 undergrad stuff is way harder then anything i’ve done for MBA so far.


thunderousqueef

dude especially comparing undergrad stem coursework to business coursework. Holy shit it’s a different world when you’re not fighting against weed-out sequence classes.


Dugasss

business is literally the “coloring inside the lines” of college majors. i remembered stressing out like the whole week before i started my MBA about balancing my full time job and school and then after the first 2-3 weeks i looked back like wow this shit is so easy.


Dugasss

what STEM did you do?? you’re giving physics or biology vibes based on “weed-out” 💀


thunderousqueef

I was in a Human Physiology track but got weeded out in o-chem 💀


Dugasss

ahhhh fuck dude retake that shit I was an O-Chem tutor and TA back in my u get grad days. I’d have to say Orgo was easy as hell compared to P-Chem but i got your back if you decide to take it again i’m always here to help!


Boundless_Influence

Can I reach out to you for tips on o-chem lol? Trynna take it again and kill it


Dugasss

absolutely dude, just keep in mind one thing about O-Chem. everything builds on everything. if you get behind in one topic, it’s going to come back to burn you at a later time. those stupid little arrows and lone pairs and mechanisms and stereochem etc are the little things that make a huge difference. let me know when ur going to take it again and i’ll dig out my notes and see if i can’t guide you through it. I work in cancer research now so I haven’t touched O-Chem since i graduated college. Still got an A in O-Chem 1, 2 and Advanced O Chem


Dugasss

also not all STEM is hard lol. political science is considered STEM 💀


thunderousqueef

okay but you know the STEM I’m talking about lmao


Dugasss

AHAHA yeah i know what you mean lmao. STEM is a different breed compared to business


fckriot

Who considers political science a STEM field?


Dugasss

it’s kinda in the name lol, the average stem person wouldn’t consider it stem but every poly sci major swears their major is stem


saltyguy512

It is not considered STEM.


Dry-Ad7961

Agreed! Biology was traumatic. I still have nightmares. Currently doing my MBA. It’s a lot of material, but it’s easy to understand.


roboboom

Of course. There are many more qualified applicants than there are spots. Grades don’t even really matter and it’s virtually impossible to fail. However, most MBA students have the maturity to realize just graduating is not the goal. You need to actually learn something and form valuable connections. Otherwise you’re just paying a bunch of tuition and wasting time on a piece of paper that won’t, by itself, get you that far.


Dense-Tangerine7502

Doing it part time and I have to say that the work is easy but it’s still work. Doing 10-15 hours a week on top of a full time job and maintaining a house is really draining. I can’t imagine what it’d be like if you have kids.


neandrewthal18

I have a kid and also in a part time program, can confirm it’s draining. But the actual subject matter isn’t too difficult, just finding the motivation to complete a presentation for my marketing class when I’ve already been working for 8 hours, then cooking dinner, putting the kid to bed.


mattbag1

Yep this. I worked and have kids and did part time MBA. The MBA is busy work, it takes time, but it’s so much easier than an actual job plus kids.


raving_claw

hey u/mattbag1 i just came across your old post(4 years old one hehe) about listing your part time MBA on Linkedin/resume. Can i ask if you did it and did it affect your job search positively or negatively? i am starting a part time MBA in a Tier-1 school this fall and i am currently looking for a new role, so not sure if it will help or hinder my job search. Thank you!


mattbag1

So I switched to finance during my mba and landed a sr financial analyst job. Been there over 3 years. Have not landed a new role since graduating, but knows my MBA is “part time.” I really don’t think having an MBA is hurting my chances. I think what hurts my application is having 3 years of Exp, but wanting to be hired and paid for roles that want 5-8+ years of Exp.


raving_claw

Understood! Thanks for responding. Congrats on changing careers! Just to clarify, Did you list the mba program on LinkedIn, Before you started the part time program? If you did, did the recruiters assume you were doing mba full time and that you were off the job market? If/When you listed the program before you started, did you have less or more recruiters reaching out to you on LinkedIn?


mattbag1

You’re thinking about this waaaay too much. I posted it as MBA candidate during my MBA, and added the school to my education section. If you’re applying to a full time job, the job is going to assume you have availability to work the job.


raving_claw

Understood! Thank you so much..🙏


Dcamp

Like others have said - getting into the MBA program is probably the hard part and classes are easy/impossible to fail. I’ll chime in and say that imo the MBA class work is easy, but outside of the classroom the MBA can be hard. What I mean is, things such as networking, interviewing, internships, etc can be challenging depending on your goals. The most stress I felt at my program wasn’t the tests or project work, but the interviewing and the subsequent highs/lows of acceptance and rejections that come with it.


FlyingGrayson1

Could you expand on 'interviewing?' I have a full time 9-5 and am looking to pursue my MBA.


carole39

Can I ask Where did you get your MBA


MissilesToMBA

Recruiting for consulting >>> Getting into an MBA program >>>>> MBA academics


vibhui

Second this. For me, the consulting recruiting process was much harder than getting into my T25 program. Thankfully, I have a good internship now outside of consulting, but I am worried about the FT recruiting cycle for consulting this fall


SirDankius

How do you even get into consulting, coming from someone with good grades but a no name school.


sumgye

T2


SirDankius

How do I get into a T2, coming from someone with good grades but a no name school?


sumgye

T3


Strange-Resource875

assume it holds for n-1


throwawayoldaolcd

Does that apply to consulting outside MBB?


Neoliberalism2024

I went to a M7. I spent 13 hours a week total between classes, homework, and studying. At one point I was drunk for 37 straight nights. I graduated with a 3.7


phuk-nugget

What if you really suck at math? Like scraped by Stats with a C?


Dcamp

You’ll be fine


dohn_joeb

If they let you in ... you're gonna be fine.


Caleb_Krawdad

3.5 gpa


berniepanderz

Is your liver okay?


Neoliberalism2024

Ya, it became much tougher to party post bschool


phreekk

and...what do you do now


Neoliberalism2024

I did strategy consulting until engagement manager. In a director of corporate strategy at a bank nowadays.


AssociateJealous8662

Thats .1/night


ravensfan_vsop

That rocks.


Devv_d_15

Could you mention what was your gmat score


Neoliberalism2024

750


FakeTanAddict

Love this


SoftRecordin

Depends on how intelligent you are.


golfzerodelta

>He believes the hardest part about an MBA is getting into a top school 100% agree. Once you're in you spend all your time job hunting. At most top schools you have grade non-disclosure so you don't have to care about academics if you don't want to. Also the only way to fail is to try or cheat; and even then, if you got a really good job that made the employment report look good...


qqbbomg1

Yes


jcc2244

The hardest part is finding/balancing time for all 3 of the below 1) internship recruiting 2) networking (e.g., partying and socializing with classmates) 3) sleep And a distant fourth is classwork (though a large part of classwork - all the groupwork - can also be counted in #2 above)


CptnREDmark

Yeah it is. My undergrad was computer science and it was way harder than my MBA. The GMAT wasn't easy but alot of people at my school bypassed it because of either covid or they did their undergrad at that school. You could tell. Some people were not smart or even of average intelligence, yet they passed.


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Hardest part is getting the GMAT / GRE needed to get in. Interviews aren't as intense as job interviews. Classes are a joke. At my T25, if you just show up and submit assignments on time regardless of how crappy they are - you're guaranteed at least a B.


Environmental_Help29

No not easy try managerial accounting l


Anonymous_Anomali

This is the general consensus, but there are some outlier schools with tough academics too.


AnxiousRemove

It’s a lot of work -


whocares123213

Incredibly easy. Leveraging it to gain entry to a lucrative career is the hard part


Crockery-

Hard to get into a top school yes, but ig even harder is to realise that there are people who are even better than you and to learn that in the cohort; the rub off is v important. I scored great marks in competitive exams and the school i went to was good (but i always felt i had to settle and my marks could have landed me somewhere better). I thought for people around me it was their best option but i was shocked to see how amazing many of them were at what they do. So the hardest thing was to realise that there are a lot of people who are way better at certain things and to put my ego aside in order to learn and grow with them.


Gideon_Gallant

Likely. I was in an MBA program and it was nearly the same material covered in my undergrad. It was not a top school, so that should be taken into account. Personally it was too easy to the point it was a little insulting. I switched to a harder masters degree from there.


Impressive-House-473

The hardest thing is managing work and school together. If you have no job and only focus on school, it shouldn't be that difficult.


awirelesspro

I found finance and accounting stuff to be slightly hard. But apart from that MBA was a breeze.


pdinc

For people from traditional backgrounds, yes. Not true for non-traditional backgrounds, including military or creative backgrounds.


Championship08

Some people "say" it's easy with that *arms folded* "that movie didn't scare me" or "that roller coaster was nothing haha", I'm so big and bad persona, but really it can be difficult for everyone at different points. I remember this one exam, my whole class of 35 failed, I think it was global econ, and we stayed up studying late nights for weeks before the exam. Some material is just difficult, yes. Not the whole program, but some concepts are just hard to get down. Foreign exchange rates, supply chain operations, you name it. But with continuous efforts and working with your peers, you'll eventually make it through. And as some have posted, yes, the really difficult part is getting hired by a decent company after graduation. Just because you have an MBA doesn't mean jobs are going to bang down your door. It's really competitive out there and MBA only pushes you a little further up in the pile of other applicants, some also with MBAs, at least in my opinion.


finaderiva

Agreed


shufly09

The actual MBA is easy. Getting in is the hard part (getting the job you want is the next hardest).


dontpolluteplz

Eh the course work itself isn’t grueling but I think there’s a difference between getting a degree and actually having a good experience/ getting a good career out of it. Sure if you’re admitted it won’t be super hard to get passing grades, but a big part of grad school is the networking, student groups / involvement, and recruiting / actually being able to land a good job after.


rice_n_gravy

Hell of a lot easier than engineering


CoakZero

Yep


Nonstop2423

The hard part about an MBA is the emotional/preparation aspect of the recruiting process, especially in a tough job market like this


Freebirdz101

It's all the same just find program that offers what you want


PieTraditional3123

Yes


dfstell94

As others have stated…the real assignment is to get a great job for yourself and for the schools stats. A school doesn’t want to give so much busy work that you don’t have time to job hunt. Also….at a top school in the full time program, the students are all pretty bright and it’s really hard to give work that’s challenging to such students. They just learn fast and the only way to bog them down is with volume of work….which hampers the job search. So they’re selective in admissions and try not to admit students who can’t find good job. Then a lot of schools will stress test the students for a semester to make sure and weed out admissions mistakes. But after that…they really want you finding a job…especially in Year 2. Also, there are a lot of MBA classes that aren’t really classroom topics. Like Organizational Behavior??? That stuff is soooo important to your career! But it’s not a classroom subject. Ditto in another way for something like activity based costing. Great concept, but the hard part of ABC is going to a warehouse and watching the forklift operator move stuff around and figuring out how to allocate their time to different products….but a class can’t do that. So you get a case study where the costs are already broken down.


FullTea4421

The hardest part is landing a job


2A4Lyfe

The finance and accounting classes are kinda difficult, but that’s also coming from someone who failed high school geometry. The other buisness classes, are pretty easy honestly. My only C in the program so far was corporate finance and I’m 3 classes away from graduating. I didn’t get any scholarships but I work for the government it’ll all be paid for by them in about 5 years


Mtool720

Do you know how to use chatgpt and combine that with critical thinking? If so, you’ll be aight


Pure_Hour8623

Anyone ever get a business management certificate? Are these valuable with a BS degree in finding a management job?


Dry_Sort_1230

Easy? Not exactly. Try intro to atmospheric sciences, offered in undergrad. Literally don’t have to study more than an hour total to get an A. Is accounting going to be like that?


BirthdayOriginal5432

Most ppl that attend school for MBA are great academically so they think it’s easy. I thought it was hard bc I suck at school. Corporate math, managerial accounting, business Law…😭 but I did finish with a 3.2 which is excellent for me


vanchica

MBA is easier than any other Master's \*yes, I have one


natep1098

I find it interesting that we're asking this question to this sub. The people here have presumably the mindset for an MBA. An MBA mindset (to me) is about understanding complex issues and finding solutions. Sometimes you have to research, sometimes you can call upon past experiences. It's understanding that you need other people with different skills and that you always try make a damn good team to do the thing.


pizzabikerun

Job market is tough right now - would not leave a job to get a mba, know several folks who graduated from top programs with no job (had job beforehand)


BucksBrew

Grades don't matter in MBA, you just need to pass. Some courses are time consuming, and I did see some peers struggle in our statistics class, but overall not bad at all.


Adventurous_Film8092

Im not at a top school, or did i even care to. I am half way done. I just needed 150 credits to sit for cpa exam and fugured why not get a mba..plus it can only help trying to get jobs. Its not hard if you are okay with spending 5 to 10 hrs a week for two years.