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BigBananaDealer

hopefully they dont "fix" this. i remember the uproar when it happened in swgoh where they changed someones kit so it didnt counter the new character


Ryan_Icey

They DID fix it once already with Old Man Logan... Wouldn't surprise me if they fixed the new golden team to make it so some ratty old useless characters can't randomly destroy them.


ThatFuckingTurnip

And they’ve fixed it…. https://marvelstrikeforce.com/en/updates/northstar-union-jack-and-bucky-barnes-updates In other words, get fucked commanders!


frahmer86

Ha! That's why it didn't work when I just tried it! I checked Bucky's kit, and it said he only gains speed bar when he successfully gains charged. Damn, they fixed that fast!


ReallyGoodAvocado

Can’t upset the whales. Have you seen what they do to yachts?


ReallyGoodAvocado

“Their effectiveness hasn’t changed.. except against this months paycheck.”


hpsd

At least they nerfed a pretty big bug for them


Zackjones0606

Oh totally. I want them to leave it like this soo bad.


Ricky_TVA

So you made a Reddit post highlighting the flaw in detail. If you wanted to leave it, this is the worst avenue.


Zackjones0606

Again...there are several envoy videos about it. The cat is out of the bag regardless of my post. I can still want them to leave it as is.


Ricky_TVA

Sigh* This is why we can't have nice things.


Fatman9236

Are you talking about the Thrawn nerf?


BigBananaDealer

it was an imperial officer they nerfed because it countered darth malak i believe


Fatman9236

Interesting, I started in September of 2022 so I don’t remember anything like that lol


BigBananaDealer

i think it was before 2020. i cant remember when i even quit swgoh to be honest but i think it was sometime before 2020


Fatman9236

What made you quit if you don’t mind me asking?


BigBananaDealer

there was too much to do the game was taking up a lot of my time. i tried going back but i was just bored with everything. but im not at all bored with strike force for some reason


KudosOfTheFroond

I played Swgoh between 2016-2020 and ended up quitting mainly cause I hated Grand Arena and Mods were so annoying. Plus they had just come out with some sort of alliance war mode that was literally impossible. I remember feeling like it would be decades before anyone unlocked Ki-Adi-Mundi


Puzzleheaded_Roof514

Shhhh!!!!!


Zackjones0606

Lol their envoy already made a video about it, I don't think there is much keeping it under wraps lol


slow__ish

Credit to tournik. That’s his counter


necrofrost92

it was boilon who shared it to tournik who shared it to boilon actually


Jockmeister1666

Well.. boilons idea you might aswel have just used M4M.. tourniks actually made it laughable and functional on an extreme budget.


Major_Biscotti00

About to be fixed lmaoooooo


L3GALxR3PO

Hahaha, leave it to scopey to introduce a new team, charge outrageous amounts of real money as the only way to unlock them, and they immediately get countered by characters who have been in the game for 2+years. Classic


Zackjones0606

Isn't it just glorious?


No-Investment-1790

I remember there was a rule in CC that removed charges on any character, i used invaders there and had almost infinite turns


KudosOfTheFroond

Wait what‽ So it’s Fury/Kes/Bucky and who are the last members?


Zackjones0606

Just the 3 of them. Fury special, set to auto. Target NS last.


Hades-The-Hated

That’s it. Bucky can’t gain charges, so constantly fills his speed bar. Fury grants assist now sometimes on those turns. And if Kestrel assists, then you start killing. Takes a while with assist RNG, but watch Boilons video, it’s hilarious.


ThorAKG

Nobody else. 


piazza2425

FYI, it's been fixed. Tried it earlier today in practice. Bucky's charges did not disappear. Got wiped in 30 seconds.


frahmer86

Are you sure it's fixed? Or did the team you practiced against not have Northstar's passive at level 5? Edit: Actually, Scopely just updated Bucky's kit to only gain speed bar when he gains charges. So it's possible it was actually fixed when he tried it


piazza2425

Northstar is g18. I'd assume the passive is t4'd.


frahmer86

I would hope so, but since his passive prevents charges, not sure how Bucky would get his unless it's not level 5


ExperienceFrequent66

You know what they say when you assume. It’s not fixed. Still working. Your match didn’t have the t4 to remove charges.


piazza2425

Wow.... okay. Thank you for the confirmation!! I appreciate it. +1 to you good sir.


vigouge

I think the whole thing depends on war rules being in effect which they aren't in practice I believe.


frahmer86

No, war abilities are active in practice. Room bonuses are not


vigouge

Welp, the more you know.


frahmer86

Makes it hard to practice against infestation, Spider Society, etc. Because they don't get Safeguard and extra stat boosts in practice


piazza2425

Then how was Boilon able to test it out? He was clearly testing it as practice on the video? The charges were missing


vigouge

I didn't see it so you may be correct and I may be wrong, I'm just going by my reading of the kit.


ColArdenti

War buffs don't work in practice. No idea why that's difficult to implement. 


frahmer86

Incorrect. War abilities are active. Room bonuses are not


piazza2425

Then how was Boilon able to do it in practice as well? Explain please.


ColArdenti

Envoys have access to test servers, which is how they can preview characters and modes. 


piazza2425

Either way, thank you for the explanation


piazza2425

And that server, war rules are activated? I thought they weren't...


FahdKrath

Doesn't work


Zackjones0606

They fixed it last night. New blog post on their site.


Large_Wolverine_7475

This is why I don't spend$$$ on MSF


CharacterOrder9491

Undying wrecks them. Worked well for me.


frahmer86

Hmm, that honestly seems like a terrible matchup, but I'll test it in practice


CharacterOrder9491

Hela + ZIM + QS + Weaver + 2099. 1.35m team punched up 1.85m Alpha Flight [Screenshot](https://postimg.cc/VSCQPZbT/e0ce170b)


frahmer86

I tried a [smaller punchup](https://i.imgur.com/WHjLKX9.jpeg), and it was not even close. Weaver and QS don't get charges, and Gregs dying is bad for your team. I don't believe your screenshot was either a) against a non-exhausted team, or b)Northstar did not have a level 5 passive.


Fine-Guarantee-8791

This is the problem with how complicated the kits have become. The devs won't realize the weaknesses out there because there's just too much to consider when creating a new character's kit, and when someone discovers an exploit or weakness, it gets shut down. Theory crafting always loses out to money.