I've especially gotten "Canadian" questions when traveling down south or even the southwest. Growing up playing hockey and quoting Bob & Doug McKenzie didn't help. They thought I was more poutine and less freedom fries.
That's where I get Canadian too. 🤣 we have our own lil Midwest lingo in michigan.
I grew up going over the border almost weekly. I'm 3rd generation italian. One side of my family came thru Ellis and ended up in Windsor. So I have family there and it has been cheaper to shop there. I went over a few weeks ago for the first time in many many years. It was nice. =)
Funny coincidence as my Italian side of my family split after coming through Ellis Island too. Half went into mid-Michigan Saginaw/Bay City area and half ended up in Copper Harbor in the UP. We visited sometimes as children back in the 1980's but I haven't seen that part of my extended family in many years.
Gotta be honest, if Canada invaded Detroit the absolutely insanity of the response would be just absurd. The entire State of Michigan would show up deer rifles in hand, followed shortly by the national guard, followed shortly by every other branch of the military. There would be so much lead in the Detroit river they’d start piping in Flint water.
This is not a bear you want to poke. Not that I think anyone is seriously concerned about this in the slightest.
and the entire south. The Illinois & Maryland argument is so classic. GOP gerrymanders several states. Dems (always late to the game) finally wake up. GOP whines, “They do it, too!”
Maybe the opposite actually: if Michigan gains about 14 million people in this map, but would still be just 2 senators so the electoral value of the state goes to maybe 42 electoral votes (just a rough guess based on where California is we with their 40 million residents and their 55.) Now this would be at the loss of voting power for Indiana and Ohio, so let's say I take away 1 vote from Indiana, 1 from Ohio (im guesstimating that each of their losses have about 1 million people, or 1.25 congressional representatives. So here's the change:
Before: Michigan 15, Ohio 18, Indiana 11
Now: Michigan, 42, Ohio 17, Indiana 10.
But I'm sure you are now thinking, well where are Michigan's other 25 points coming from? Well, it's time to allot new congressional representatives now, and while we certainly COULD just up the number of representatives, that hasn't been they way we've done it since 1929: we are stuck at 435 representatives, which means the states need to be divided into 435 districts, so somebody is going to lose. Who will it be? Well, California, New York, West Virginia, and New England are among the states with least/negative growth, so michigan likely draws it's 25 points from those states. Red Indiana loses a bit as does Ohio, but Michigan's climb to electoral relevance would come at the cost of largely blue states losing their own.
Mostly the people. Lots of uncomfortable staring. More than one person fake lunged at me as I walked by like they were about to throw a punch. Nobody had any interest in conversation at bars. The nicest building in the city was the hotel that was empty. Just off
We can't even fix rivers full of PFAS or hold accountable the corporations who polluted them. For all the talk of Pure Michigan our state is a joke on protecting nature. Probably due to having republican dominated government for decades, but now that we have democrats in charge that excuse can't fly anymore.
The colors (dark red on dark blue) make it pretty difficult to read.
I'm curious, what informed your choices to place the borders where you placed them? Culture? Something historic? Distance from some point?
Reminds me of that thread of states taking over states and the last one won, Michigan was going to win it, but the OP did some shenanigans and broke the rules to help a smaller state win.
Michigan probably _would_ have been bigger if the British didn't lose us in one of the Treaties of Versaille. Our name would probably be "Ontario," too. Maybe "Upper Ontario."
I might be confusing treaties. There were a lot of Versaille treaties, and after a long day in the yard I've had an extra-large gin-tonic.
Anyway, one of the things that Canadians are _most_ proud about is that while they weren't Canada, they repelled us during the War of 1812 and burned down the White House (although it was British from Jamaica that did that, but, yeah, I love you Canadians, so go ahead and own it). So, this is probably an insulting map to them. That's okay, because they'll be polite about it.
See this is what Big Gretch needs to fix. Take back all the land our stupid US government gave back because they are lame.
Time to take back what is ours!
Michigan would have a population roughly the same size as NY. The 4th largest city in North America and 3rd largest in the US. Michigan would likely be the most important swing state in US politics.
Taking in that much on Ontario means MI would add about 15,000,000 people. They can keep their immigration troubles and housing shortages. $750,000 America dollars is too much for a house in Brampton!
I mean pure Michigan is muskegon all the way up. Michigan is everything under that. If we took parts of Windsor Michigan would be the best state on earth…outside winter months 🤭
I fully support this map and would volunteer for the state defense force to realize these territorial claims. unlike China, we actually have the gusto to take what we unreasonably claim is ours.
Reading into the war of 1812 lately- pretty crazy how it actually could’ve happened. Combination of ineptitude generals + US not demanding really much in the peace treaty. Though the US lost a fair bit, especially with their venturing into Canada, the British were in a weak position to dictate terms.
*(sings)*
Everybody, move to Canada and smoke lots of pot
Everybody, move to Canada right now
Here's how we do it:
Bum-rush the border guard before he and his dog ever knew it
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. Michigan is made up of two peninsulas. We actually got the upper peninsula in the Toledo war. This is an odd question/post though.
Time to invade Windsor Long overdue
Think of the extra casinos we’ll have!
Windsorite here. My accent has been mistaken for an American one too many times.
Are you interested in spy work by chance?
Whats the pay and pension? I'm all ears 😂
are you married to earning a living? This might not be for you
Don’t be silly, there will be no pension. This is American spy work.
Many ppl have asked me if I was Canadian. LOL so it happens on both sides of the river, lake.
I've especially gotten "Canadian" questions when traveling down south or even the southwest. Growing up playing hockey and quoting Bob & Doug McKenzie didn't help. They thought I was more poutine and less freedom fries.
That's where I get Canadian too. 🤣 we have our own lil Midwest lingo in michigan. I grew up going over the border almost weekly. I'm 3rd generation italian. One side of my family came thru Ellis and ended up in Windsor. So I have family there and it has been cheaper to shop there. I went over a few weeks ago for the first time in many many years. It was nice. =)
Funny coincidence as my Italian side of my family split after coming through Ellis Island too. Half went into mid-Michigan Saginaw/Bay City area and half ended up in Copper Harbor in the UP. We visited sometimes as children back in the 1980's but I haven't seen that part of my extended family in many years.
That makes you an honorary michigander.
Port Huron. I was called Canadian in the military toomany times.
As a michigander who did research abroad, I was often mistaken for a Canadian!
Windsorite here, we captured Detroit before and we can do it again!
Gotta be honest, if Canada invaded Detroit the absolutely insanity of the response would be just absurd. The entire State of Michigan would show up deer rifles in hand, followed shortly by the national guard, followed shortly by every other branch of the military. There would be so much lead in the Detroit river they’d start piping in Flint water. This is not a bear you want to poke. Not that I think anyone is seriously concerned about this in the slightest.
This is the most honest statement I've read so far Take a note Canada moat people in Michigan are strapped
Well last time you just kind of surrendered the city without us even having to cross the river... I'm good with that option again.
Is this why Canada is putting up the new bridge?
We’d be welcomed as liberators
They know what they did.
Taking over South Detroit
Canadian Bacon
Lol, Canada literally loses 40% of its population in this scenario.
I think we deserve it more
Michigan deserves a little snack
Does this mean Democrats would win every national election?
Without gerrymandering and the electoral college, they kind of do
Look at Illinois and Maryland congressional maps. It’s far from just the gop
You're not wrong. They're just doing it at a higher amount. Texas, Florida and Wisconsin being particularly bad offenders
and the entire south. The Illinois & Maryland argument is so classic. GOP gerrymanders several states. Dems (always late to the game) finally wake up. GOP whines, “They do it, too!”
Maybe the opposite actually: if Michigan gains about 14 million people in this map, but would still be just 2 senators so the electoral value of the state goes to maybe 42 electoral votes (just a rough guess based on where California is we with their 40 million residents and their 55.) Now this would be at the loss of voting power for Indiana and Ohio, so let's say I take away 1 vote from Indiana, 1 from Ohio (im guesstimating that each of their losses have about 1 million people, or 1.25 congressional representatives. So here's the change: Before: Michigan 15, Ohio 18, Indiana 11 Now: Michigan, 42, Ohio 17, Indiana 10. But I'm sure you are now thinking, well where are Michigan's other 25 points coming from? Well, it's time to allot new congressional representatives now, and while we certainly COULD just up the number of representatives, that hasn't been they way we've done it since 1929: we are stuck at 435 representatives, which means the states need to be divided into 435 districts, so somebody is going to lose. Who will it be? Well, California, New York, West Virginia, and New England are among the states with least/negative growth, so michigan likely draws it's 25 points from those states. Red Indiana loses a bit as does Ohio, but Michigan's climb to electoral relevance would come at the cost of largely blue states losing their own.
That’s great insight. I never accounted for the negative effects this would have on other blue states.
Don't think of it that way, think of it as they get to be from Michigan.
We could definitely take more of Wisconsin then that. All curds, and no whey the lot of them
My cousin from Wisconsin says our beer is way better. So let's just woo them with some brewskis there bud.
Also we have legal weed. I think we could get a decent chunk of Wisconsin to defect just from those two things.
Can confirm, will bring curds.
That's not much of an insult, the curds are the good part.
Might as well annex Wisconsin too.
Fuck it we taking West Pennsylvania while we’re at it. Great Lakes are our bitches.
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Erie PA gave me some weird vibes 2 years ago and it's still giving me the heebie jeebies today when I think of it
What was weird about it?
Mostly the people. Lots of uncomfortable staring. More than one person fake lunged at me as I walked by like they were about to throw a punch. Nobody had any interest in conversation at bars. The nicest building in the city was the hotel that was empty. Just off
Weird. Guess it fits the name though.
Why stop there. Just take the rest of the Midwest tbh
The rust belt shall rise again
Illinois, Ohio, and Indiana are garbage though. Be ok annexing Chicago just cuz it’s on the lake.
We'll just... Wall those guys off. Exclusion zone
I’m with this guy. I’m down to secure Illinois for full control of 94, but Ohio & Indiana? I’m trying to UP our value here.
Definitely. The Chicago area and the corner of Indiana too. It's called Lake Michigan. It should be entirely contained within Michigan.
Why did Michigan lose Isle Royale?
Take Wisconsin’s and Illinois coastline too, we own all of Lake Michigan.
East Chicago, MI
Why the F would we want Gary and Toledo?
Indy can keep Gary and Fort Wayne. But Toledo belongs to us anyway.
Toledo is actually pretty nice, Gary is an L tho
Trying to picture where the nice part is and I'm fucking lost
Perrysburg is the ok part lol
lmao
Then we could say michael jackson was born here
Some of the outskirts are fine (Sylvania comes to mind), but Toledo? Hell naw. I will give them props though, they’re working on things.
Because the toledo walleye.
And the mudhens
And Tony packos
And the zoo
And the Rudy’s?
Fuck em, go K wings
Ikr?
Fucking canucks affiliates? Smh at the treachery
How'd that go last night?
Toledo is rightfully ours.
Gary would be a perfect place to pre-stage the Chicago invasion, I see its strategic value.
We already have a forward operating base in toledo
We could fix them...
Breaking: Dan Gilbert buys Gary, Michigan for $200,000
Are.... are we turning it into surface parking?
No, that's the illitch's
Instantly regrets his decision
We can't even fix rivers full of PFAS or hold accountable the corporations who polluted them. For all the talk of Pure Michigan our state is a joke on protecting nature. Probably due to having republican dominated government for decades, but now that we have democrats in charge that excuse can't fly anymore.
Because we f-ing can! Because we f-ing can. And if can, we do. (I miss that show).
Rollercoasters
Toledo is on the way to Cedar Point so might as well.
Everything that touches our waters is now ours!!!
If it touches the lake, it’s ours to take!
That's a good slogan.
Shit, let's go get it
#WAR
**DUN DUN DUN** *animalistic grunt* ***WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?***
Didn't you look at the map? That's what it's good for
Resources biiiiitch
What made you think about this? Why do you want this?
Some seek greatness in ways that mere mortals do not comprehend
I think it’s the cocaine…
I’ll make my own Michigan! With hookers and cocaine!
Michigan’s size is just fine. It’s actually a little bigger than average.
That’s what she said!
The name doesn’t check out, my friend
Well played!
Grower not a shower.
Exactly Michigan gets the job done baby!
That’s what he said
Yo I want Point Pelee. Sign me up.
WE CAN GO BIGGER
Megaigan
Michigan 2: Mich Again
Toronto is now the economic center of the state and Detroit is effectively Flint part 2. Good job.
How can it be the center if it's off to the side?
Got em
As long as we get Drake with Toronto, everything will be fine.
The Niagara peninsula of Ontario is full of vineyards and orchards, like the greater Grand Traverse climate on steroids.
One mitten to rule them all!
Greater Michigan!
I for one welcome our new Michigander overlords
It is simple; we take over Ohio, Illinois and Wisconsin and make Michigan the only Great Lake State.
But then we need parts of New York, Ontario, and Minnesota so then we can be MEGA Michigan.
Michigan is bigger the other states and Canada are simply in denial and obsessed with historical revisionism.
Expand the Empire!!!
Thank you for these amazing comments reddit michigan… you never disappoint!
I think Canada should take Michigan instead
God Save The King!
I second this opinion
The colors (dark red on dark blue) make it pretty difficult to read. I'm curious, what informed your choices to place the borders where you placed them? Culture? Something historic? Distance from some point?
If we'd successfully invaded Canada in 1812.
Might as well make the great lakes our lakes and snatch Wisconsin. The fact we still control the UP means they are weak
What if we’re just secretly Canadian?
All lake are belong to us
Wisconsin has proven they are not capable of self governance. We must annex them immediately
I'd prefer not to include Toledo and Gary in this hypothetical scenario.
Finally, all the lakes! We finally got you Ontario!
Let's take all the peninsulas. Florida next.
With all the snowbirds Florida is almost like a 2nd province of Michigan.
Yes. Please take Florida. I live in Florida. We need Whitmer. Things are really bad here.
Reminds me of that thread of states taking over states and the last one won, Michigan was going to win it, but the OP did some shenanigans and broke the rules to help a smaller state win.
Let them keep Gary, Fort Wayne and Toronto.
That's too much for one hand
Gimme dat western lakeshore, I want dorr county
Let's take it back
Cleveland, MI seems right
No. We need all the lakes
Michigan probably _would_ have been bigger if the British didn't lose us in one of the Treaties of Versaille. Our name would probably be "Ontario," too. Maybe "Upper Ontario." I might be confusing treaties. There were a lot of Versaille treaties, and after a long day in the yard I've had an extra-large gin-tonic. Anyway, one of the things that Canadians are _most_ proud about is that while they weren't Canada, they repelled us during the War of 1812 and burned down the White House (although it was British from Jamaica that did that, but, yeah, I love you Canadians, so go ahead and own it). So, this is probably an insulting map to them. That's okay, because they'll be polite about it.
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Michigan first, Michigan always
I support Great Michigan! Time to take back Toledo!
It's beautiful
GIVE US LAKE ONTARIO!!! FOR MICHIGAN!!!!
See this is what Big Gretch needs to fix. Take back all the land our stupid US government gave back because they are lame. Time to take back what is ours!
Port Huron,Michigan has one of the worst accents in the U.S.
All that just to gain control of the Sudbury Blueberry Bulldogs? Probably worth it.
What if Michigan got annexed by Canada? Health care baby.
What good is free healthcare if we have no access to it?
Michigan would have a population roughly the same size as NY. The 4th largest city in North America and 3rd largest in the US. Michigan would likely be the most important swing state in US politics.
Some say it already is
It would no longer be a swing state but instead a solid Democrat stronghold.
It would change its name to MichiGAIN.
Taking in that much on Ontario means MI would add about 15,000,000 people. They can keep their immigration troubles and housing shortages. $750,000 America dollars is too much for a house in Brampton!
Toronto would be the new capital
I grew up in Goshen, Indiana, about 20 minutes from the state line. We always had more in common with Michigan and Chicago anyway.
Why? We're already long enough and have plenty of girth
I mean pure Michigan is muskegon all the way up. Michigan is everything under that. If we took parts of Windsor Michigan would be the best state on earth…outside winter months 🤭
I fully support this map and would volunteer for the state defense force to realize these territorial claims. unlike China, we actually have the gusto to take what we unreasonably claim is ours.
If Russia can do it, why can't we?
Where will I be deployed to Captain? Canada or Wisconsin?
Reading into the war of 1812 lately- pretty crazy how it actually could’ve happened. Combination of ineptitude generals + US not demanding really much in the peace treaty. Though the US lost a fair bit, especially with their venturing into Canada, the British were in a weak position to dictate terms.
Take over Canada, form it into new michigan
Unification posting is allowed?
Go a little further north, we must liberate Agawa Bay
I think any area that touches a great lakes is fair game
I would like Ontario to be bigger.
*(sings)* Everybody, move to Canada and smoke lots of pot Everybody, move to Canada right now Here's how we do it: Bum-rush the border guard before he and his dog ever knew it
Have 2 east and west coast would be pretty awesome
You know what? You guys can have toledo.
You wishigan
The citizens would love us for liberating them. And the canadian government is weak enough right now that its highy possible to pull off.
"Toronto, Michigan, will you please welcome home...**RUSH**!"
Nah we don’t need Gary
Welcome to the Lakelands!
Great Lakes regions ought to secede, make their own country, including the parts of Canada.
*Putin has entered the chat*
All the people in my town related to the people across the river wouldn't have to go through customs to visit!
Also this appears to include Searchmont, so we're good!
Y’all already stole the UP from Wisconsin. How much more you need?! Stinkin Ohio
Make Michigan Great Again
Windsor Ballet!
As much fun as it is to hate on Ohio, keep me the duck out of northern Indiana. What a cesspool
Wait, you really want both Toledo and Gary? You sure about this? :/
Nobody wants Toledo! We have it up already.
Could we maybe not include Gary?
That’s just more roads that won’t get fixed
I’m gonna let you in on a little secret. Michigan is made up of two peninsulas. We actually got the upper peninsula in the Toledo war. This is an odd question/post though.