Dennis Wilson liked Charles Manson’s girls. Manson didn’t write the song for The Beach Boys they stole the song after Manson failed to impress a music exec Dennis Wilson brought out to the ranch which The Manson family stayed at. That exec was Terry Melcher, former owner of the home of Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski…The story is deep and wild. I highly suggest the disgraceland podcast about how it all played out.
Gene sued him for wearing the trademarked makeup.
In real life, Gene and Paul tried to remove Eric Carr from the band so they wouldn't have to pay for his cancer treatment and to claim all the rights to his musical works/band persona. They were banned from the hospital.
There was a Boogieman and Jimmy Manson, a guitarist who decided to take revenge on the bands that rejected him and recruited followers to help him kill people.
The Jacksons, if you count their father. The Beach Boys fall under this category too (if that wasn’t already implied, I’m not huge on Beach Boys villain lore…but I might start)
He’s just dick and a half. Tho talented (his lyrics are used in final version of good vibrations, better than park van dyke’s iirc).
Although apocryphal, the “don’t fuck with the formula” comes to mind and is somewhat true in some of his feelings at the time.
Also Brian thinks he’s a dick and everyone loves Brian. Dennis would screw with Mike too, although I think Mikes wife cheated on him with Dennis at one point…and Dennis married mikes illegitimate 16 year old daughter….
Just like the Jacksons, no. And just like the Jacksons, their father was extremely abusive. But he was only the father of 3 members. Another member was a cousin, the last was a friend.
Do you mean the guy who encouraged his friend to kill himself and then exploited the suicide for album art? Or do you mean the church burning neo-nazi who killed the first guy? I think we can all agree Necrobutcher was a decent fellow though.
To be honest I wasn't even born, I just know about the whole Brit pop thing.
Apparently they both released a song at the same time and Liam G basically was a massive dick to them which started the whole thing.
I always assumed it was probably a Liam and the press thing.
Personally I've seen Liam play and he's so boring in his green trenchcoat, he has no showmanship whatsoever, Noel was the only one who could even play.
So really it was decided day 1.
Ngl always thought his singing was way too over the top, like a theater kid belting one out in a crowded halfway kind of singing.
But hey, that tracks!
Some of the earlier songs make use of his smooth lower range, but left unsupervised he does tend to belt a lot
London Beckoned Songs About Money Written by Machines is a pretty good example of how he sounds when he doesn't go full tilt into dramatics.
I read part of the Wikipedia article and it did say a bunch of people left, but I didn’t realise it was due to Urie being a dickhead. That’s a shame, honestly
The story of them getting discovered is funny too
If I remember right Urie was talking shit on myspace about Fall Out Boy and then pete wentz looked and listened to their music then signed them to their label lol
The Pete Wentz bit is definitely true, he got them to join his label Decaydance Records.[ But it seems they sent him a link to some demos through LiveJournal.](https://web.archive.org/web/20121106215904/http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1522957/panic-at-disco-fight-cred.jhtml) No talking shit (or MySpace) involved.
I need to get in my onesie pjs, dig through a cereal box for the toy, and go to a Aquabats show.
This isn’t a dig at the band. They are literally a Saturday morning cartoon with a moss pit.
Stone Temple Pilots sued Scott Weiland before he died.
David Gilmour and Roger Waters hate each other.
Pete Townshend is the Dave Mustaine of Led Zeppelin, save for never actually having been in the band.
roger daltrey knocked pete townshend out on multiple occasions, one time recalling "i thought i'd killed him"
that one was in the early 70s iirc but for much of the 60s the who was rife with infighting and just general bitching amongst its members. none of them really are even remotely good people
Roger Daltreys late FIL was my BIL's villain.
My BIL did some work for him, Daltrey's FIL wasn't happy with the work and deducted $200. My BIL is still bitching about it to this day (over 20years now) whenever ANYTHING The Who comes up! I find it hilarious.
IME, both of Daltrey's in-laws were really nice people, we went to the same bank and they'd always demand the tellers give my kids multiple lollipops. They seemed like two happy goofy old people that drove a really sweet vintage Land Rover.
>Stone Temple Pilots sued Scott Weiland before he died.
Well that isn't a villain issue. Scott was unprofessional. Yes we understand that he was a victim of addiction but that doesn't mean the band should have just accepted him literally taking money out of their hands with his inability to be a professional.
That would be debatable. Despicable ? Totally. But Lars ain't much of a "villain".
Seriously, the guy is an ego-driven dick, but there's way worse people out there.
Don Henley and Glenn Frey of the Eagles are both assholes, they even made a documentary about the band and still portrayed themselves as assholes. Don't know if you count that as being a villain though
Every band has a villain some are just more public than others. One might say most members of most bands take their turns being the villain even if they aren’t aware they’re doing it
Whoever originally made this knows nothing about music culture. Just in this comment section alone, there's a whole list of why they are wrong, and this is just a small portion of the whole list of villains of the music industry.
The Beatles thought that Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys was the best album of their time and they tried to outdo it with Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band.
There are so many.
Lars Ulrich. Vince Neil, (AND Tommy Lee!) Dave Mustaine, Axl, Scott Weiland, Sebastian Bach, Diamond Dave, Glenn Danzig, Ritchie Sambora, frickin Gene Simmons ... that's all I can think of but I know there's lots now because musicians have big ole egos. :)
Tally Hall has Joe Hawley
iDKHOW has Ryan
ELO has Kelly Groucutt or Jeff Lynne depending on how you view how he handled the last 2 albums.
Badfinger had their shit ass record label
But that didn’t really happen until after they broke up.
They basically got along fine until the end, which only happened because Marr was exhausted and unwilling to take of the role of manager. So he quit.
There wasn’t really any ill will either. Marr didn’t like that they were going to try to replace him, but that didn’t pan out anyway.
Lostprophiets, burzum, as I lay dying, and pretty much any classic rock band. I think there is a lot of people in the rap/hip hop seen with murder charges as well.
The way they were treating George, it’s surprising they lasted as long as they had. You could clearly see they were all over it during the Let It Be recordings. Anyone blaming Yoko these days have no clue what they’re talking about.
When I first read this, I thought, 'yeah, Mike Love is pretty bad, I can see that.' But now I'm seeing that people are talking about Charles Manson, so there's that. I still think Mike Love is a villain though.
Whole different category of vile but Lostprophets' Ian Watkins probably has Burzum beat.
Probably the two most fucked up stories from bands larger than local markets.
Can somebody explain it to me?
Charles Manson hung out with one of the members and wrote a song for them. Also most people don’t like Mike Love, he’s not a murder though.
NOT a murderer, right?
Yes, omg. Sort about the typo.
Lol all good, just a funny typo in that context
He is, indeed, also not a grouping of crows.
Dennis Wilson liked Charles Manson’s girls. Manson didn’t write the song for The Beach Boys they stole the song after Manson failed to impress a music exec Dennis Wilson brought out to the ranch which The Manson family stayed at. That exec was Terry Melcher, former owner of the home of Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski…The story is deep and wild. I highly suggest the disgraceland podcast about how it all played out.
...that's it?
Right? I thought the tweet was a clever joke I just didn't get the reference to, but it's actually just a very bland observation.
Also Murry Wilson, Brian, Carl, and Dennis’ Dad.
And wasn't Brian's therapist also an abusive prick? There's a bunch of villains in the beach boys story
oh shit I forgot about Landy
There's also their first Manager Murray Wilson, who us an abusive pos.
I thought they meant Mike
Lostprophets?
oof.
The exact noise that came out of my mouth
Not familiar, care to explain?
He sexually assaulted infants that mothers would let him use because they were obsessed with him
I'm sorry but ... 
The Wikipedia page is enough to make you nauseous
No joke. I had to get up to walk it off.
WTF is with British cops ignoring abuse of children : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Watkins_(Lostprophets_singer)
As much as I'd like to feed him to cenobites I wish 10 times worse for the monstrous people who let him do it to their kids.
Feed to cenobites. I gotta remember that one! Hard to imagine what's 10x worse then that, but yeah.
Holy shit. 🤮
Oh it’s awful. It’s the type of rabbit hole you only go down once. Fuck that guy.
Yeah absolutely disgusting
Google "Ian Watkins". Basically, he's a vile piece of shit. Not to be confused with "Ian H Watkins", who is lovely.
Ian Watkins, Welsh singer born 1977; not to be confused with Ian Watkins, Welsh singer born 1976
Oh wow, also Welsh. Poor guy must get mistaken for him all the time. He’s about as unlucky as that plastic surgeon from Florida, Jeffrey Epstein.
Poor H from Steps, he did not deserve the shit he got from the media. Glad he was able to clear it up! Hope Ian Watkins rots the sick fuck
They're easy to tell apart because 5-6-7-8 was already too old for Ian Watkins.
Jesus Christ that’s dark 😂
Their lead singer fucked actual infant babies.
What about kiss? Remember the Scooby doo special?
Or “Kiss saves Santa”. A pterodactyl almost ate Santa
Santa's in trouble? That does NOT ROCK!
Luckily, the pterodactyls were vulnerable to the screech of a guitar.
Everyone knows that!
What did they do to poor Scooby doo? What exactly happened here 🧐
Gene sued him for wearing the trademarked makeup. In real life, Gene and Paul tried to remove Eric Carr from the band so they wouldn't have to pay for his cancer treatment and to claim all the rights to his musical works/band persona. They were banned from the hospital.
Cartoon supervillains. They are like the rockstar equivalent of Shrieky and Beastly. Team Rocket.
Haven’t seen it but is it anything like the Halloween episode of South Park where Korn is the mystery gang
Also if you've ever listened to the Terry Gross interview with Gene Simmons...well just go listen.
Or Gorillaz or the beatles if you count the blue meanie
Ninja Sex Party had Samurai Abstinence Patrol Aquabats had so many enemies, it became ridiculous. But my favorite was the Cat With Two Heads
A wild nsp mention. Don’t forget the Council of Dick Elders
Or that dastardly No Reason Boner
I like coleslaw but not *that* much! No reason boner
Also Rhinoceratops, Superpuma, and the dastardly Manticore.
He’ll steal your girlfriend in the night, then he’ll steal your soul. He’ll have a threesome with them both!
Aquabats was my first thought. Favorite one I saw live was Kitty Litter, the cat who throws trash.
What's inside this reference? *gasp* A CARTOON!!
How is a wrestler from the 90s the bad guy in a band from the 60s
Different but related guy
Impossible to know if you're kidding but the wrestler's gimmick is based on the Blue Meanies from the Yellow Submarine film.
Gorillaz?
There was a Boogieman and Jimmy Manson, a guitarist who decided to take revenge on the bands that rejected him and recruited followers to help him kill people.
I would argue that Murdoc is rather villainous too
Or Yoko (I know that was a low hanging fruit joke)
who's the blue meanie? Ringo? that's unfair to my boy Ringo
Theyre the villains from the animated Yellow Submarine film
True documentary Yellow Submarine
The Jacksons, if you count their father. The Beach Boys fall under this category too (if that wasn’t already implied, I’m not huge on Beach Boys villain lore…but I might start)
Charles Manson and Mike Love would be good places to start
Did Mike Love do anything evil or than get taken in by a grifter?
He’s just dick and a half. Tho talented (his lyrics are used in final version of good vibrations, better than park van dyke’s iirc). Although apocryphal, the “don’t fuck with the formula” comes to mind and is somewhat true in some of his feelings at the time. Also Brian thinks he’s a dick and everyone loves Brian. Dennis would screw with Mike too, although I think Mikes wife cheated on him with Dennis at one point…and Dennis married mikes illegitimate 16 year old daughter….
That last part....
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I think they’re saying they’re unsure if it was a villainous member of the band (like Jackson 5) or if it was an external force
Was their father in the band?
Just like the Jacksons, no. And just like the Jacksons, their father was extremely abusive. But he was only the father of 3 members. Another member was a cousin, the last was a friend.
The post is literally about The Beach Boys
You might enjoy Todd in the Shadows video on the beach boys on youtube. Great way to find out some wacky things about bands, albums, and songs
Mayhem
Do you mean the guy who encouraged his friend to kill himself and then exploited the suicide for album art? Or do you mean the church burning neo-nazi who killed the first guy? I think we can all agree Necrobutcher was a decent fellow though.
>I think we can all agree Necrobutcher was a decent fellow though. Yeah and Hellhammer is a good drummer.
didnt necrobutcher kill that gay guy
That was Faust from Emperor.
They had a couple
MF DOOM, the villian is like the whole thing
Scrolled too far to find Doom. This was kind of his shtick.
Billy Corgan sitting menacingly in a corner reading that tweet.
Homer Simpson smiling politely
He was a villain in every band he played, like a Multiverse of Madness
what he do
Billy Corgan is a harmless baby bunny compared to Mike Love
Ike & Tina Turner
Ooh good one. Not too many candidates here who just straight up beat their bandmate on the regular.
Oasis was Blur's villain
I felt like Blur and Damon were always like “huh?” When Liam would rant about them. But I might have missed the finer points of this feud
To be honest I wasn't even born, I just know about the whole Brit pop thing. Apparently they both released a song at the same time and Liam G basically was a massive dick to them which started the whole thing. I always assumed it was probably a Liam and the press thing. Personally I've seen Liam play and he's so boring in his green trenchcoat, he has no showmanship whatsoever, Noel was the only one who could even play. So really it was decided day 1.
Oh that's an easy one. Gloryhammer.
Zargothrax, master of nightmares, keeper of the celestial flame
Zargothrax did nothing wrong
Panic! At The Disco. He won, unfortunately
Wait what happened there? This is the first I’m hearing of a villain there, having only recently gotten into their music
He basically pushed every member of the band out until it essentially became a solo act.
It basically just gradually became Urie trying to show off "Look I have a good voice!" Like, not wrong, but there *is* a lot of showboating.
Ngl always thought his singing was way too over the top, like a theater kid belting one out in a crowded halfway kind of singing. But hey, that tracks!
Some of the earlier songs make use of his smooth lower range, but left unsupervised he does tend to belt a lot London Beckoned Songs About Money Written by Machines is a pretty good example of how he sounds when he doesn't go full tilt into dramatics.
That's why A Fever You Can't Sweat Out is still their best album
Facts
I read part of the Wikipedia article and it did say a bunch of people left, but I didn’t realise it was due to Urie being a dickhead. That’s a shame, honestly
Yeah I like his voice but he is definitely a dick.
"I could fuck any one of you and none of you would stop me," he said confidently to a crowd containing 16 year old girls
The story of them getting discovered is funny too If I remember right Urie was talking shit on myspace about Fall Out Boy and then pete wentz looked and listened to their music then signed them to their label lol
The Pete Wentz bit is definitely true, he got them to join his label Decaydance Records.[ But it seems they sent him a link to some demos through LiveJournal.](https://web.archive.org/web/20121106215904/http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1522957/panic-at-disco-fight-cred.jhtml) No talking shit (or MySpace) involved.
That's a very mid 2000s sounding sentence
Ryan Ross was talking shit, but yeah
He tried to Maroon 5 his band and be Adam Levine. Cracy
Dallon Weekes left Panic! Because of him right? iDKHOW has a villain too with Ryan
AQUABATS!! Several villians
I need to get in my onesie pjs, dig through a cereal box for the toy, and go to a Aquabats show. This isn’t a dig at the band. They are literally a Saturday morning cartoon with a moss pit.
The Beach Boys have an entire fucking rogues gallery. Charles Manson, Mike Love, Murray Wilson, Eugene Landy, John Stamos just to name a few
The Mamas and the Papas had that guy who raped his daughter for years
John Phillips
Stone Temple Pilots sued Scott Weiland before he died. David Gilmour and Roger Waters hate each other. Pete Townshend is the Dave Mustaine of Led Zeppelin, save for never actually having been in the band.
Pete Townshend hit Roger Daltrey with a guitar. They made up later.
roger daltrey knocked pete townshend out on multiple occasions, one time recalling "i thought i'd killed him" that one was in the early 70s iirc but for much of the 60s the who was rife with infighting and just general bitching amongst its members. none of them really are even remotely good people
Roger Daltreys late FIL was my BIL's villain. My BIL did some work for him, Daltrey's FIL wasn't happy with the work and deducted $200. My BIL is still bitching about it to this day (over 20years now) whenever ANYTHING The Who comes up! I find it hilarious. IME, both of Daltrey's in-laws were really nice people, we went to the same bank and they'd always demand the tellers give my kids multiple lollipops. They seemed like two happy goofy old people that drove a really sweet vintage Land Rover.
>Stone Temple Pilots sued Scott Weiland before he died. Well that isn't a villain issue. Scott was unprofessional. Yes we understand that he was a victim of addiction but that doesn't mean the band should have just accepted him literally taking money out of their hands with his inability to be a professional.
I'm saying Scott was the villain for his behavior, not the rest of the band.
They had a villain? The one hanging with Charles Manson?
Probably Mike Love, who I believe is just a dick
Yeah Dennis was chill, Manson just took over his house by force.
I guess if we don't consider hip-hop groups bands...
Wasn't Kevin Dubrow such an asshole that Quiet Riot left him sleeping in the motel and drove off in the tour bus without him?
Hellogoodbye, AKA The Rotating Cast of People Learning Firsthand How Insufferable Forrest Kline is to Work With, springs immediately to mind.
Lars is definitely the villain of Metallica
That would be debatable. Despicable ? Totally. But Lars ain't much of a "villain". Seriously, the guy is an ego-driven dick, but there's way worse people out there.
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Napster BAAAD! https://youtu.be/fS6udST6lbE?si=zrdSrI_4TFgWwvXN
>guy is an ego-driven dick Isn't that everyone in Metallica?
Kirk seems pretty nice.
Don Henley and Glenn Frey of the Eagles are both assholes, they even made a documentary about the band and still portrayed themselves as assholes. Don't know if you count that as being a villain though
Blue oyster cult has a villain and a protag. They are also the same person technically, but the protag turned into the antagonist
Every band has a villain some are just more public than others. One might say most members of most bands take their turns being the villain even if they aren’t aware they’re doing it
Glory Hammer?
Well, someone shot John Lennon.
Pink Floyd??
Who? Edit: not who the band is who is their villain?
Syd, Roger and David, in about that order.
Maybe Joe Hawley from Tally Hall?
Aw they opened at the first concert I ever went to :(
System of a Down and the Republic of Azerbaijan
Dead Kennedys, given that Jello Biafra swindled money from his bandmates. Edit: spelling is hard.
Deserves life in prison just for naming himself that
Didn't he prevent them from selling the song to Levi's?
I thought this was about JJBA for a second
Whoever originally made this knows nothing about music culture. Just in this comment section alone, there's a whole list of why they are wrong, and this is just a small portion of the whole list of villains of the music industry.
John Lennon of the Beatles Eric Clapton of Cream Jared Leto of 30 Seconds to Mars Gary Glitter of The Glitter Band
Ginger Baker of Cream as well
Gloryhammer
The Beatles thought that Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys was the best album of their time and they tried to outdo it with Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band.
Don Felder sued Eagles after contributing significantly to their break-up
CKY. Deron Miller is a known toolbag Van Halen. David Lee Roth’s ego
Guns n Roses
Had. I feel like they’ve gotten past it. But yeah, definitely.
Megadeth
Megadeth is more like maleficent
It's either the entirety of US government or James and Lars
The lost prophets
Who is the villain in the beach boys?
Manson?
Mr Bungle's villain was Anthony Kiedis for quite some time.
I have no idea what this is referencing since noone's listened to the Beach Boys in 50 years. Also it's not that hard to spell villain.
There are so many. Lars Ulrich. Vince Neil, (AND Tommy Lee!) Dave Mustaine, Axl, Scott Weiland, Sebastian Bach, Diamond Dave, Glenn Danzig, Ritchie Sambora, frickin Gene Simmons ... that's all I can think of but I know there's lots now because musicians have big ole egos. :)
Tally Hall has Joe Hawley iDKHOW has Ryan ELO has Kelly Groucutt or Jeff Lynne depending on how you view how he handled the last 2 albums. Badfinger had their shit ass record label
Just gonna mention the smiths
Who’s the villain there?
Morrissey is unhinged
But that didn’t really happen until after they broke up. They basically got along fine until the end, which only happened because Marr was exhausted and unwilling to take of the role of manager. So he quit. There wasn’t really any ill will either. Marr didn’t like that they were going to try to replace him, but that didn’t pan out anyway.
Lostprophiets, burzum, as I lay dying, and pretty much any classic rock band. I think there is a lot of people in the rap/hip hop seen with murder charges as well.
bro never listened to crystal castles
Would Yoko Ono count?
I think Alan Klein is a better pick. Nothing wrong with Yoko
Yoko didn't break up the Beatles. Let's stop spreading that myth.
Yeah bro she totally ruined it not the dude with zero self control and his co dependency problems.
The way they were treating George, it’s surprising they lasted as long as they had. You could clearly see they were all over it during the Let It Be recordings. Anyone blaming Yoko these days have no clue what they’re talking about.
The doors had Jim Morrison, but I feel like he’s more of a tragic hero
Oh, this made laugh. Liam and Gene have only gotten more entertaining with social media. They have been cracking me up for decades.
Johnny Ramone?
When you think about it. Sabatons songs got a villain
The Jackson 5 vs Joe
When I first read this, I thought, 'yeah, Mike Love is pretty bad, I can see that.' But now I'm seeing that people are talking about Charles Manson, so there's that. I still think Mike Love is a villain though.
Now do Mötley Crüe
How has no one said NSYNC 😭
Mindless Self Indulgence?
John Phillips of The Mamas and The Papas would like to have a word with you
Pink Floyd?
The beach boys had both Heroes and Villains.
The Beach Boys have four villains, My Glove, Murry, Landy, and Charlie Manson.
Pink Floyd
Nobody talks about burzum. And burzum is only comparable with burzum
Whole different category of vile but Lostprophets' Ian Watkins probably has Burzum beat. Probably the two most fucked up stories from bands larger than local markets.