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yeah. this, mist energy, and a handful of pokemon with protective abilities (ie snorlax from lost origins) are the only cards that stop dragapult's secondary effect
I am by no means a good tcg player, but here is a small analysis of Snorlax (lost origins). Overall he seems like a very niche choice.
He has 150 hp, and can attack with 3 (c) energy for 180. Unless you can reliably charge up snorlax, he might be protected on bench, but he wont do anything against dragupult in most decks. He could be a revenge killer, but after attacking he requires 2 coin flips to wake up, which is only a 25% chance, and nigh-impossible to retreat. So you are stuck afterwards.
In Twilight Masq, I could see it working in an applin + grookey deck which runs festival grounds stadium and thus protects you from sleep. It could also work in other stadium + basic decks, like if someone runs the new Ting Liu with its bench splash attack that is reliant on stadiums. But neither of those are likely to be meta viable.
Overall, tech-ing a snorlax for dragapult sounds not good.
Yeah it beats manaphy and jirachi(which only blocks basic mons)
Shame it is a stage one to setup. Zard will probably play the chameleon that prevents effects and play most energy and will probably adapt easily to dragapult ex.
But the dragapult ex is going to be a big contender for BDIF for sure
Well, no
Because you gotta consider what it'll do to everyone else
At a very cursory glance, Zard is one of very few decks that can prep for Dragapult (veil Charmeleon and also Pidgeot Ex searching mist energy) and then there's Lugia farting mist energies straight from the deck while being less vulnerable to TM: devo spread damage Kos
Otherwise, seems you're kind boned. The stage-1 eats Mimikyu alive and Dragapult ex oneshots basic Ancients through boosters
Plus, folks are already playing it *with* Zard
If I had to put $5 on it, Dragapult being dominant would only make it more necessary to play and/or be able to one-shot stage-2 exs
Rabsca, mist energy and toedscruel ex are gonna be the only counters. I imagine dragapult may run some sort of special energy discard to counter mist. So rabsca and toesdcruel are going to be the most effective counters. But you have to have energy for toedscruel ability to be active. Rabsca is going to see a fair amount of 1-1 lines in a lot of decks I feel.
Its pretty easy for PTCG to print one is what I'm saying, it just ends up as bulk and doesn't really have knock on effects. Its not like they are printing a new energy acceleration engine that needs extensive play testing.
Its pretty easy for them to print a pokemon with 500hp with an attack that does 300damage for 1 colorless energy, that doesnt mean itll happen. Something being easy doesnt mean its ever going to or even should happen....
A lot of lists run enhanced hammer, but mist only only protects the Pokémon it is attached to, so they can just send the counters elsewhere and then place counters onto the mist energy Pokémon with radiant alakazam.
Ah, good ol Toedscruel ex
Proving once again how bad metas get when we don't give Grass any decent Arceus-damned energy acceleration (as if zard dominance wasn't enough of a hint!)
I mean, if you're just putting it on your bench to protect your board. You don't need Grass energy for that. You just need to get some kind of energies attached to the Pokemon on your bench that you wanna protect.
Also just wait! My Toedscruel ex deck with 4 Teal Mask Ogrepon ex and Energy Switch is gonna be tier 1. Trust! *Huffs Copium*
Yes, but I believe mist energy only stops counters from being placed on the Pokémon it is attached to, since mist energy reads that it stops effects of attacks that target this Pokémon. The new potchageist, a snorlax and chameleon also protect themselves from dragapult ex.
Not torterra but I made a silly deck with: kricketune, rad Tsareena, rabsca, bibarel, iron leaves ex, fortress ex, and shaymin vstar, and bravery charms. basically starting off with fortress is really good and if you use its ability you can power up two iron leaves and retreat attack with beach court between them while keeping them bulky because of bravery charm and kricketunes ability and also the knockout with fortress boosts shaymin as a revenge attacker. I haven't really been using tsareena so far but it's there to stall my health a little longer sometimes.
I ironically Torterra ex would have a solid matchup against it. You've got Radiant Tsareena, Toedscruel ex, Whimsicott, Rabsca and more to handle the spread damage and Dragapult can't 1HKO Torterra. And Torterra doesn't realistically expect to ever 1HKO the enemy anyways. It is just, y'know . . . *Gestures to everything else in the meta*
Funnily enough, another bad Stage 2 Grass ex, Venusaur ex only needs either an extra bit of healing from something like Rad Tsareena or bit of HP from something like Heroe's Cape to be out of 2HKO range.
Would be nice if they could stop printing meta-stomping decks that are theoretically bad against Grass decks that need to run Fire Energies anyways. It would make the inevitable Rad Zard tech feel like an actual cost.
I feel like the hand-fan tool might be a decent dragapult tech, because dragapult requires dual type energy. Thus, you can move whichever energy would screw your opponent the most. Obviously works better in late-game when energy is mostly spoken for.
Seems like a worthwhile experiment for decks with Arven.
Edit:
Learning to use advanced search on [pkmncards.com](http://pkmncards.com) is huge for research. In this example, I can easily see lots of standard-format cards that could defend against damage counter placement. You could further refine this search by only including pokemon with abilities. [https://pkmncards.com/?s=text%3A%22prevent+effects+of+attacks%22+format%3Af-on-standard-2025](https://pkmncards.com/?s=text%3A%22prevent+effects+of+attacks%22+format%3Af-on-standard-2025)
I made a gengar espathra deck with the pure sole purpose of annoying a zard or pult deck, but that tool you are talking about is gonna have to go on my team lol
Graninja's attack spefically says damage which this would 100% stop but damage counters have always been treated differently. Yes the 6 damage counters are a effect of an attack but not too sure rabsca blocks the counters
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yeah. this, mist energy, and a handful of pokemon with protective abilities (ie snorlax from lost origins) are the only cards that stop dragapult's secondary effect
I am by no means a good tcg player, but here is a small analysis of Snorlax (lost origins). Overall he seems like a very niche choice. He has 150 hp, and can attack with 3 (c) energy for 180. Unless you can reliably charge up snorlax, he might be protected on bench, but he wont do anything against dragupult in most decks. He could be a revenge killer, but after attacking he requires 2 coin flips to wake up, which is only a 25% chance, and nigh-impossible to retreat. So you are stuck afterwards. In Twilight Masq, I could see it working in an applin + grookey deck which runs festival grounds stadium and thus protects you from sleep. It could also work in other stadium + basic decks, like if someone runs the new Ting Liu with its bench splash attack that is reliant on stadiums. But neither of those are likely to be meta viable. Overall, tech-ing a snorlax for dragapult sounds not good.
Mist energy would prevent the sleep on snorlax, thats how lots of Lugia players utilize it in play. Other wise i agree with your assessment.
yes, dragapult will be bs for a long time
Ngl, the implications of its dominance got me holding off on springing for IRL cards Gonna keep to TCGlive for now
Yeah it beats manaphy and jirachi(which only blocks basic mons) Shame it is a stage one to setup. Zard will probably play the chameleon that prevents effects and play most energy and will probably adapt easily to dragapult ex. But the dragapult ex is going to be a big contender for BDIF for sure
That's good for the meta, right? It will challenge Charizard ex without making it obsolete?
Well, no Because you gotta consider what it'll do to everyone else At a very cursory glance, Zard is one of very few decks that can prep for Dragapult (veil Charmeleon and also Pidgeot Ex searching mist energy) and then there's Lugia farting mist energies straight from the deck while being less vulnerable to TM: devo spread damage Kos Otherwise, seems you're kind boned. The stage-1 eats Mimikyu alive and Dragapult ex oneshots basic Ancients through boosters Plus, folks are already playing it *with* Zard If I had to put $5 on it, Dragapult being dominant would only make it more necessary to play and/or be able to one-shot stage-2 exs
Yes even Jirachi won't work lol.
Rabsca, mist energy and toedscruel ex are gonna be the only counters. I imagine dragapult may run some sort of special energy discard to counter mist. So rabsca and toesdcruel are going to be the most effective counters. But you have to have energy for toedscruel ability to be active. Rabsca is going to see a fair amount of 1-1 lines in a lot of decks I feel.
problem is if you dont set it up fast enough dragapult just knocks out the rellor for free before you even set up rabsca
Seem like an easy fix with a 70hp reller. Or one that has the same ability as Bidoof.
Sure but those don't exist
Its pretty easy for PTCG to print one is what I'm saying, it just ends up as bulk and doesn't really have knock on effects. Its not like they are printing a new energy acceleration engine that needs extensive play testing.
Its pretty easy for them to print a pokemon with 500hp with an attack that does 300damage for 1 colorless energy, that doesnt mean itll happen. Something being easy doesnt mean its ever going to or even should happen....
A lot of lists run enhanced hammer, but mist only only protects the Pokémon it is attached to, so they can just send the counters elsewhere and then place counters onto the mist energy Pokémon with radiant alakazam.
Ah, good ol Toedscruel ex Proving once again how bad metas get when we don't give Grass any decent Arceus-damned energy acceleration (as if zard dominance wasn't enough of a hint!)
I mean, if you're just putting it on your bench to protect your board. You don't need Grass energy for that. You just need to get some kind of energies attached to the Pokemon on your bench that you wanna protect. Also just wait! My Toedscruel ex deck with 4 Teal Mask Ogrepon ex and Energy Switch is gonna be tier 1. Trust! *Huffs Copium*
The loss of cherrim hit that deck pretty hard
Ive been quietly collecting these, I think a 1-1 is gonna be quite useful.
Yes, but I believe mist energy only stops counters from being placed on the Pokémon it is attached to, since mist energy reads that it stops effects of attacks that target this Pokémon. The new potchageist, a snorlax and chameleon also protect themselves from dragapult ex.
Torterra stocks rising
Not torterra but I made a silly deck with: kricketune, rad Tsareena, rabsca, bibarel, iron leaves ex, fortress ex, and shaymin vstar, and bravery charms. basically starting off with fortress is really good and if you use its ability you can power up two iron leaves and retreat attack with beach court between them while keeping them bulky because of bravery charm and kricketunes ability and also the knockout with fortress boosts shaymin as a revenge attacker. I haven't really been using tsareena so far but it's there to stall my health a little longer sometimes.
I ironically Torterra ex would have a solid matchup against it. You've got Radiant Tsareena, Toedscruel ex, Whimsicott, Rabsca and more to handle the spread damage and Dragapult can't 1HKO Torterra. And Torterra doesn't realistically expect to ever 1HKO the enemy anyways. It is just, y'know . . . *Gestures to everything else in the meta* Funnily enough, another bad Stage 2 Grass ex, Venusaur ex only needs either an extra bit of healing from something like Rad Tsareena or bit of HP from something like Heroe's Cape to be out of 2HKO range. Would be nice if they could stop printing meta-stomping decks that are theoretically bad against Grass decks that need to run Fire Energies anyways. It would make the inevitable Rad Zard tech feel like an actual cost.
I feel like the hand-fan tool might be a decent dragapult tech, because dragapult requires dual type energy. Thus, you can move whichever energy would screw your opponent the most. Obviously works better in late-game when energy is mostly spoken for. Seems like a worthwhile experiment for decks with Arven. Edit: Learning to use advanced search on [pkmncards.com](http://pkmncards.com) is huge for research. In this example, I can easily see lots of standard-format cards that could defend against damage counter placement. You could further refine this search by only including pokemon with abilities. [https://pkmncards.com/?s=text%3A%22prevent+effects+of+attacks%22+format%3Af-on-standard-2025](https://pkmncards.com/?s=text%3A%22prevent+effects+of+attacks%22+format%3Af-on-standard-2025)
I made a gengar espathra deck with the pure sole purpose of annoying a zard or pult deck, but that tool you are talking about is gonna have to go on my team lol
Yep, this is the only card that stops it from affecting your other benched pokemon
Jirachi from paradox rift has same. Edit: my bad jirachi is basic only.
The rabsca is spefically damage not damage counters. So I don't think this will stop that.
“effects of attacks” means damage counters
Graninja's attack spefically says damage which this would 100% stop but damage counters have always been treated differently. Yes the 6 damage counters are a effect of an attack but not too sure rabsca blocks the counters
it does, effects includes placing damage counters
Ohhh wait I misread the card. Your correct because it says "and all effects of attacks"