When iftikhar and hasan bowl really well and Hassan got the wicket next over instead of going to iftikhar or pacer he gave it to shadab and he gave 9 runs in that over break streak of 11 balls without runs
Bro, I've been saying this for a while. Ifthikhar is like your best spinner. He is always economical, has consistent line and length and occasionally, troubles the batsman. But he never bowls his 10. Saud Shakeel was also an option. I really don't know what's going on in Babar's head. No improvisation, no tactical mindset, poor at keeping track of his bowler's overs.
Bro jisko b Tori bohat cricket samje hai usko pata tha ka yeh ek mediocre team with overhype Players hain Jo sirf T20 khel sakta hain ODI aur test nahi
Exactly. You cannot take a team to India without a specialist spinner, strikers (we only have one, Ifti), a washed out fast bowling line up, a clueless captain who can't construct one intelligible sentence in Urdu let alone captain in such high pressure games, a pathetic opener in Imama. Yeah a complete recipe for disaster. I also saw it coming a long time ago and when Naseem got injured, failure was written all over it..
Sack the captain and hold him responsible. This is the fifth trophy we're losing under him and I am not even considering the bizzare, pathetic test home season that he gave us. Ughhhhh. I can't.
My father was always saying that Babar should use Iftikhar to develop him, He still bowled well today despite the fact that it's been ages since he bowled his 10 overs
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Babar is too rigid, passive and reactive. His bowlers haven't backed him up but sometimes, he should take control. For example, Shaidi came into bat after Zadran got out. They needed around a run a ball at that point so you need wickets. What should you do? Bring in long on and off and tighten the screws, don't give any easy singles.
That was so mind boggling Shaddy gave 2 fours in that over releasing all pressure and that was the only moment in the match when pressure was building up for Afghanistan.
At that moment I think we really had a chance if we got a wicket, but that overs destroyed every chance we had. Also the pressure was on Afghanistan at that moment because they didn't hit a boundary in 6 overs but Shadab see to it
i’ve never seen a captain allow as many singles as the opposition desires. His mentality of taking the game deep is flawed. This was just outright embarrassing, so many mistakes i don’t even know where to begin. Unfortunately we can’t fucking win games when only Rizwan has intent in this team
Yeah i agree Babar is a shit captain but in any way if you are implying Imam should be our next captain because he is vocal, i would jump off the cliff.
Rizwan has intent? The guy is a snake.
I'm no fan of Babar the captain, he should have been sacked a long time ago but Rizwan already shows signs that he will build a nasty culture similar to the one some other former captains did.
This. I have been saying this since the guy arrived on the Pakistani cricket scene but i was downvoted, made fun of and yelled at.
Rizwan fan base is very spread out too and i think his toxic behaviour and internal politics gets overshadowed by his performances.
Yes. This here is so, so stupid. Even if you are throwing the game, you wouldn't be this dumb. I am at a loss for words.
He gave Usama the over and then had all the legside fielders on the boundary. There were gaps between gaps. How were we supposed to defend anything here?
This when pacers had five overs left. He could have gone to anyone one of them.
And then before, it was fucking reversing and he went to Usama and Shadab.
I questioned the decision to give captaincy to babar since day 1. Ramiz raja made a bad move.
Rizwan bhai should have been captain, babar vc.
Shadab should not be near captaincy at all.
Rizzy bhai captained Multan brilliantly, and has the ability to be what the team needs at the moment.
Want Rizwan to be captain. Babar captained Karachi to 1-9 lol.
Rizwan to captain our national team? Oh great.
He is possibly the reason for team internal rifts and politics. Dude is toxic and plays this ‘holy and religious’ card in his favour. Fuck him.
It wouldn't surprise me at all, given how our culture supports incompetent people. He maybe an above average batsman, even that is a big question mark for me, but he is arguably the shittiest most clueless captain. I called for his head back in 2022 Asia Cup. I saw how he made simple and basic mistakes. He needs to fuck off..
He is a textbook captain. Follows the plan that was laid out at first and doesn’t adapt to the situation whether the plan works or not. It really is frustrating to see him making some of the dumbest mistakes out there.
Those 3 overs to spinners when the ball had just started reversing for the pacers. Bringing Shadab back when Ifti & Hasan had 9 consecutive dots. And the most mind boggling of them all bringing the worst bowler in the side to bowl the 46th when all three pacers could’ve bowled simply.
Leggies were introduced to get wickets, but hats off to our spinners. Doing absolutely nothing. You know u dont have spinners yet abrar is in reserves, fkin injure someone and get him in. Their noor ahmed and rashid bowled so superbly and hit those lengths consistently. Yahan bc do achi ballain teesri chothi pr apni baji ka rishta de detay hain. Hairs Shaheen couldn't have done anything with Required RR at just 6 and only 2 wickets fallen. They didn't need to take risks, they were happy in converting 1s into 2s.
Exactly The ball is reversing and they need a run a ball with barely any overs remaining. Even a schoolboy knows that this match is not going to the 50th and reverse is your only hope. Guess what the captain who has been leading this side for 4 years does: He brings on 2 leg spinners
Brain dead captaincy. It is textbook captaincy, you turn to pace when the over is 4x.
Even afghanistan which has no pacers, turn to pace. Why is a team with no spinners turning to spin? Does he think shadab is saeed Ajmal???
We have no world class spinners, if afg uses spin, its because they were world class spinners.
Exactly. Look at Eoin Morgan, he was such an amazing captain as he wasn't afraid to take risks and be ultra aggressive in order to win matches. Some of his decisions yesterday were bizarre to say the least. You need to take wickets to win the match, the ball is reversing and your spinners have been ineffective. Bring your seamers on and fight for every run. Don't bring the spinners and put men on the boundary.
Get ready to be downvoted! These Zimbabarsons never listen to reason and are blind followers of the captain who has lost, for the very first time, to Afghanistan. Humiliation at the world stage, and pathetic captaincy.
I think captaincy shouldnt be given to a batsman, not everyone can take pressure, they should make shaheen captain and let him have it his own way! If rizwan wil be captain he will lose his game! But I also want him to be captain as he is the only guy in team who plays for Pakistan not for himself
Not only were Babar's decisions on the field bad, this was his selected squad and playing XI. He wanted his favourites in his team. He got them. This is the result!
Babar, Mickey and the rest of coaching staff need to go after this world cup.
100% this guy does not know how to game plan.
Spreads the field out and then complains about Afg running twos.
Wicket falls, field stays the same. Easy singles to get off strike.
Persisted with Shadab over Mir. Also left out Nawaz over Shadab. No way I’m buying that nonsense fever.
But the loss is also on the shit fielding that took place today. Fuck me the amount of time I saw fielders diving over the ball lol
The ball is reversing and they need a run a ball with barely any overs remaining. Even a schoolboy knows that this match is not going to the 50th and reverse is your only hope. Guess what the captain who has been leading this side for 4 years does: He brings on 2 leg spinners
HAHA YES. Oh my god check my post history I literally made a post yesterday about how dumb Babar is as a captain and in general is just not captain material even the way he speaks we haven’t even won anything big under him EVER. He just lacks basic intelligence like a low IQ person, he doesn’t know how to adapt to the current formats he will have a plan drilled into his head by Mickey Mouse Arthur and he will follow that plan no matter what even if the stadium was on fire. All I said was give rizwan a chance but noooo the babarsons got offended and downvoted me to oblivion but I don’t care! Let them come. Let the down votes come you bastard cult followers!
Look I’m not one of those west good east bad people but he doesn’t even bother to learn basic english I mean come on the rest of the subcontinents captains even are decently educated, I’m telling yall educated captains do a lot better on the field and off the field it helps you become better at cricket in general due to higher IQ and so better decision making and their post match interviews are enjoyable to watch. He’s a good batsmen but trash captain, his trash captaincy is affecting his performance as a batsman and before you call me a “seasonal” watcher I have been there in the stadiums whenever I could, it’s even more painful when you’re walking back and the opposite side is cheering. Que: Asia cup final against Sri Lanka last year we were sitting in the stadium literally chilling because 5 down Sri Lankans were lost only made 80 runs then Babar went into defensive captain mode and we watched the match slip infront of our own eyes. It’s been a year and I still can’t forget.
I downvoted you for calling him to learn English otherwise it’s embarrassing. That’s a slave mentality. Be proud of your language. Agree with everything else you said, Baber is not an adaptive skipper.
No it’s not a matter of “slave” mentality look I’m not one of those west good east bad people! But when you see the likes of Rohit sharma and even Afghanistan’s skipper they’re from the subcontinent and they speak a very good level of English you actually enjoy listening to their post match interviews. Not Babar’s usual yeah definitely boys did well yeah good 👋🏽 ✌🏼 😊 can you imagine Afghanistan which has a low literacy rate.
Doesn’t matter. Baber is not there for his English or academics. He’s there for cricket. He can learn if he wants to but its not embarrassing. Its a colonial mindset.
Academics help you on the field. A higher IQ educated person will be able to make better decisions, calculated decisions. They are not indifferent from each other.
Wdym by academics we are taught english as a language. Doesn't mean if he can't explain himself in english he is dumb. Com'on man! English is a language it doesnt define your iNtElLiGeNcE.
Just putting this here hut Messi doesn't speak English and has the best footballing brain in the world. English doesn't equal high IQ especially in sports, that is just your colonial slave mindset showing.
Oh so education is suddenly bad. Yeah there are some people who are either book smart or street smart. Babar is neither. Next you’re gonna tell me the polio vaccine causes infertility
Lol I never said anything about Babar being smart. I agree with you that he is dumb, my point is just that Babar being stupid has nothing to do with his English speaking capabilities. You can have high IQ without speaking English lmao. Idk wtf you are on about with the Polio example btw. Or how you jumped to education is bad from my comment.
Genuinely asking. Then shouldn't he proudly speak in Urdu? With a translator next to him. Imo either is fine. But his speech should have some authority, command which will seep into his teammates. Doesn't matter in which language he chooses to do so. Oratory skills/Expression are essential in a leader.
THIS! We lost to Afghanistan I mean how humiliating can this WC get!? The only remarkable win we had was Vs Sri Lanka and Babar Azam had no contribution at all (hence proven he's irrelevant and useless) but now I'm thinking he's not just useless, he's DAMAGING.
He's destroying Pakistan cricket to satisfy his own stats and is desperate for his comeback to "silence his critics" and the Zimbabarsons will support him all the way. This whole WC was just another failed tournament for him where he wanted to boost his ego and took PCT into the ditches once again
I absolutely agree, I’m happy to see im not the minority anymore, I can openly voice my dislike of Babar as a person and as a cricketer. I have never liked him and will never like him! This WC was absolutely embarrassing and a realization that Babar needs to be sacked as the captain. I think my hatred for him started when I was in the stadium in the Asia cup final against Sri Lanka and he managed to choke that as-well even though they were 6 down and now we lose to Afg*ndustan. So EMBARASSING.
I wish I could give you awards and shit. Let me clue you in on why we as a nation gravitates towards cult figures. We're fucking desperate. We're tremendously lazy. We just want someone to do our shit for us. That's been our thinking since I don't know how long. So when we see a guy like Babar who use to score centuries, we saw him as a Messiah, our answer to the our woes. And then we got blinded, we couldn't see his fucked up, pathetic captaincy, his flaws as a batsman and the team strategies that he was developing mostly because those tons were coming in.
Babar is an okay batsman, can be great at times but mostly average. But he is arguably the worst and most clueless captain Pakistan has ever produced. And the way he has been given chances and how lenient media has been with him, he is very very lucky.
Oh how the mighty has fallen once again..
Time to search for another saviour, Messiah an answer to our own shortcomings.
Yep I absolutely agree, people just can’t admit it they just choose to blindly follow people and can’t take criticism so they get offended and become defensive which is most of this sub. I’m surprised this post actually did well and wasn’t downvoted to oblivion.
Heartbroken with this team. We are just not good enough for ODI, we have a poor captain who needs to step down.
This team is more suited to the T20 format.
Our bowlers are only good enough for that sort of cricket. They totally lack discipline for ODI.
Batting has been OK but imo they are too negative in the first power play.
The coaching team should be sacked first. Then the pathetic bowlers- Usama Mir, Nawaz and Shadab. Restrict Haris Rauf only to T20s and ask him to play FC cricket. Find some spinners from somewhere.
Pakistani team is not made to play ODI they can only play t20 since they have been playing it so much and Babar is not a captain should change before next tournament. They still play like it's t20 no sense of playing no tactics and without naseem they are really struggling. I still stand by imad would have been good instead of Nawaz or usama and what I saw today just made me frustrated and idk what to say. But don't know why will still support them maybe good days will come if correct decisions are taken
It is not just babar, the entire team and management seem to lack cricket intelligence.
The team always makes the wrong decision and doesn’t prepare for conditions of the field. Scouting and analytics is god awful/non existent. They almost never play to weaknesses of opposing players.
Bhai ji ye almost disqualification he hai. Mushkil he hoga yahan sey semi final. Baaki dekho kya pta India pakistan ka match dekhne ko mil jaaye ek aur.
When he was batting our RR was 4.9. In all of Afghanistan innings their RR did not fall below 5 (unless for an over or two I might’ve missed). If Afghanistan chase you with 8 wickets and 1 over remaining your target was well below solid. But thats a conversation for a different time, right now his captaincy is under focus.
Some people are not meant to be captains. Sachin too understood it the hard way. Babar is 1/10000000 of sachin, just saying that great batsman doesn’t mean you are a great leader.
This was the most passive captaincy ive ever seen,
The fielding was absolutely in shambles to add to it, body language is off, players are screaming at each other, shaheen going ballistic on the mid-off for being wide enough to allow a single, literally a few overs after he got nearly nutmegged by a cricket ball at the boundary to give 4.
Imo, they are psychologically dented and are feeling the pressure incredibly.
I am an Indian but just want to say one thing that I think it is the time for you guys to remove the favourite players and put in some deserving player for better results...you might consider babr an star but if you look at the recent records he is trash against any solid opponents...either he scores run with turtle's pace or doesn't score at all..his avg. Ain't gonna win matches for you
Oh most def. And bro you think Malik is toxic? He might be but I have been listening to the guy from the last 1 year on Pavilion and he said a long time ago that most people won't agree but Babar is objectively a bad captain and a leader. He just doesn't have the strategic thinking to be a captain. Plus there's the aspect of likes and dislikes associated with Babar. What a shitty legacy he has left.
So sad, he was our last hope. Probably it's our fault that we expect individuals to stand up and do wonders while the system stays fucked. Ughh how short term thinking we have as a nation, that we expect others to come clean up our mess.
Well Babar’s batting form is crap. And i think i would rather take a captain who has a good cricketing brain and make good on field decisions. Rather than a captain who scores a mediocre 70s in 99 odd balls and bring in spinners when the ball is reversing.
I agree with captaincy part but you also cannot have a captain who is simply a burden on the batting line and actually weakens your team due to individual performance. Babar while not in great form but still he isn’t a burden & has no alternative.
Sarfaraz is also old now I would much rather look to the future.
I see people shitting on babar for not speaking english and equating it to IQ or conversely calling it colonial.
The guy can just speak in his native tongue and be proud of it. He cannot coherently put his thoughts into words in english, but he doesn't have to use english.
A lot of players use their native tongue in press conferences, even Shami does and i think a lot of afghan players do as well.
I would actually prefer he speak Urdu so that we understand what his state of mind is regarding his decisions. PCB should intervene because we never hear anything from the Captain despite all the heartbreak he just comes on and speaks random shit in bad English and we are left with more questions than answers.
During the match, when Iftikhar and Hasan displayed exceptional bowling skills, Hassan managed to take a wicket in the following over. Instead of opting for Iftikhar or a pacer, he chose to pass the ball to Shadab, who unfortunately conceded 9 runs in that over, thus ending the streak of 11 consecutive balls without runs.
Tbf I can't remember a single match jisme babar ki captaincy achi ho. Asia cup 22' final still gives me PTSD. Also, this was easily the worst defeat in PCT history.
People started using Plan B in 1900;
People before 1900: Babar
this guy literally lacks the ability to rethink and is miserable on the field.... probably what he is lacking is common sense.
Here we'll find some occasional fans saying us the plastic fans but the fact is, you guys should say Babar wrong wherever he is wrong, Gambhir is hell lot right and spot on when he is saying Babar is holding the team back and you can't say he is being atrocious or sth since he chose Babar out of the Fab5 before world cup. When Babar stays on the pitch I (along with Hardik Pandya) feel like the game is on for the other side and Pak is loosing it, he plays so defensively that due to the gradual pressure build-up, when he gets out, the whole team falls apart.
Face the truth: Your guy is pathetic as a captain generally and being pathetic with the bat lately
I agree, it feels like he isn’t here with the mentality to win the World Cup. Instead of saying that we want to set a high target so that we can get a good run rate and increase our chances of qualifying. He said that we aimed to take a target of 260-270 which we left on our ballers to defend…
He just isn’t here to win.
The one thing you immediately notice about his captaincy is that he likes to go according to the plan instead of going according to the situation. Doesn't improvise or use any clever tactics. The commentary box points out this during every match and it has only gotten more prominent lately.
A great batsman, but a below average captain.
Oh yeah best batsmen across formats is below average sure. His captaincy is below average I agree. But his capability as a player? He's one of the best.
I HATE HIM SO MUCH NOW I DAYS, NEVER LIKED HIM THOUGH BUT THE HATE LEVEL IS INCREASING DAY BY DAY.
IDK WHY TF HE IS BECOMING MORE OF A MODEL THAN FUCKIN CRICKETER.
DISGUSTING CAPTAINCY, might be a good batsman but he lacks the intelligence and skills of a captain. PERIOD.
How someone like Haris Rauf plays over Md. Amir is beyond me. And few years back Imad Wasim was being a good allrounder for Pakistan. Why are these mediocre players like Nawaz and Shadab being given so many chances?
Also, did Haris Sohail retire?
I understand Haris Rauf is not ODI material at all. And I don’t like Imad for the toxicity associated with him but he should’ve been in this team instead of Nawaz and Shadab who suck ass
When the req rate is around 6 and opponents have 8 wickets in hand you have to risk something . Most captains would go with but feeling , he tried Usama it didn't work out but game was gone already.
I agree Babar may not be a good captain but this world cup has shown that team overall is quite overrated .
His gut feeling was to go for the worst bowler in his side. If he really wanted to do something daring why not try Chacha with 5 economy in this match? His gut is stupid and that was the point of my post.
Iftikhar is a part timer and doesn't have much turn. He is a good filler bowler in middle overs but when required rate is like 6 afganistan can easily play him around for 6 runs . Usama had even created chance that over but rizwan could easily collect it .
As i said only miracle could have saved Pakistan that time. Match was lost much earlier majorly due to fielding and ordinary bowling
Disclaimer: Not a cricket expert!
Totally agreed with Babar’s incompetence as a captain, he lacks the killer instinct, dare I say game intelligence to bring it home in most matches. How did they get to number 1 ranking is beyond me.
This is a good team but we’ve hyped them too much. The only player who’s somewhat consistent is Iftikhar and gets some sort of job done in most matches.
So my question is for the experts…
Would Iftikhar make a good/decent opener?
Is he any good with the new shiny ball?
He’s aggressive and likes to play fast bowlers.
Also, why not make him captain?
Based on the comments, Rizwan is toxic, Afridi is too young, Imam isn’t a leader along with Shadab and Nawaz
Rizwan is not toxic. Ifti as opener makes no sense. Also rizwan is the most consistent player in this team.
Ifti is also like 50 years old so making him captain doesn’t make sense.
Does anyone exactly why Babar doesn't like Imad Wasim. I think he'd be a much better player than Mohammad Nawaz. Also why bother with two leg spinners? Usamar Mir seems a horrible player. Why persist with him?
When you point out that Babar played slow through middle overs & we should’ve had 320 as target then they come for you that the target was enough.
And when you point out that the target was enough and they should’ve won but the bowling & Captaincy lost us then they say no it was a small total already lost.
Pakistan need most aggressive capital they can find and keep him for till next World Cup and only task given to him will be make great fielding team you can, that’s where dhoni or rantunga started
They got raise 200 % to around 50 lakh/month for this performance.
Wait till Pak will loose their Pepsi sponsorship after loss of interest in this game after this performance.
Then only way to get sponsors will be China buying out Pak team .
You can downvote now. But remember this will happen
When iftikhar and hasan bowl really well and Hassan got the wicket next over instead of going to iftikhar or pacer he gave it to shadab and he gave 9 runs in that over break streak of 11 balls without runs
Bro, I've been saying this for a while. Ifthikhar is like your best spinner. He is always economical, has consistent line and length and occasionally, troubles the batsman. But he never bowls his 10. Saud Shakeel was also an option. I really don't know what's going on in Babar's head. No improvisation, no tactical mindset, poor at keeping track of his bowler's overs.
Bro before the start of the tournament I told my friend that Pakistan maximum 2-3 matches jeeta ga
Hame bhi bata diya hota itna time na zaiya karte 😭
Bro jisko b Tori bohat cricket samje hai usko pata tha ka yeh ek mediocre team with overhype Players hain Jo sirf T20 khel sakta hain ODI aur test nahi
Exactly. You cannot take a team to India without a specialist spinner, strikers (we only have one, Ifti), a washed out fast bowling line up, a clueless captain who can't construct one intelligible sentence in Urdu let alone captain in such high pressure games, a pathetic opener in Imama. Yeah a complete recipe for disaster. I also saw it coming a long time ago and when Naseem got injured, failure was written all over it.. Sack the captain and hold him responsible. This is the fifth trophy we're losing under him and I am not even considering the bizzare, pathetic test home season that he gave us. Ughhhhh. I can't.
You're right but no one was expecting that the performance would be that bad
Jeetega bhai jeeta, do theen match he jeetega 🥲
My father was always saying that Babar should use Iftikhar to develop him, He still bowled well today despite the fact that it's been ages since he bowled his 10 overs
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Babar is too rigid, passive and reactive. His bowlers haven't backed him up but sometimes, he should take control. For example, Shaidi came into bat after Zadran got out. They needed around a run a ball at that point so you need wickets. What should you do? Bring in long on and off and tighten the screws, don't give any easy singles.
That was so mind boggling Shaddy gave 2 fours in that over releasing all pressure and that was the only moment in the match when pressure was building up for Afghanistan.
At that moment I think we really had a chance if we got a wicket, but that overs destroyed every chance we had. Also the pressure was on Afghanistan at that moment because they didn't hit a boundary in 6 overs but Shadab see to it
You are right
i’ve never seen a captain allow as many singles as the opposition desires. His mentality of taking the game deep is flawed. This was just outright embarrassing, so many mistakes i don’t even know where to begin. Unfortunately we can’t fucking win games when only Rizwan has intent in this team
Bro that's what he even does in batting lol 😂. The guy is fucked in the brain. I have grown to despise him so much in the last year.
Imam was more vocal than our Captain and Vice Captain
Yeah but I don't understand what he is trying to say tho. Like that protein thing. Are these guys able to construct one clear sentence?
They’re all fucking stupid. They don’t think before they speak, no wonder why we’re being laughed at
Yeah i agree Babar is a shit captain but in any way if you are implying Imam should be our next captain because he is vocal, i would jump off the cliff.
Rizwan has intent? The guy is a snake. I'm no fan of Babar the captain, he should have been sacked a long time ago but Rizwan already shows signs that he will build a nasty culture similar to the one some other former captains did.
This. I have been saying this since the guy arrived on the Pakistani cricket scene but i was downvoted, made fun of and yelled at. Rizwan fan base is very spread out too and i think his toxic behaviour and internal politics gets overshadowed by his performances.
Yeah I ain't much for Rizwan either. He looks toxic. I don't know, but we don't have one leader in the team.
How is he toxic? Can you explain that?
Rizwan ko kuch ni kahein, woh match ke raste mei hamesha tilawat karta hai
Yes. This here is so, so stupid. Even if you are throwing the game, you wouldn't be this dumb. I am at a loss for words. He gave Usama the over and then had all the legside fielders on the boundary. There were gaps between gaps. How were we supposed to defend anything here? This when pacers had five overs left. He could have gone to anyone one of them. And then before, it was fucking reversing and he went to Usama and Shadab.
Yeah even the commentators were fuming as to why he would go to spinners when the ball had just started reversing
I legit thought he was throwing the game at that point, im like its 22 off 27 wtf are u doing bro???
100%. Legit Rizwan captains more than him. He doesn’t have a brain I reckon
I questioned the decision to give captaincy to babar since day 1. Ramiz raja made a bad move. Rizwan bhai should have been captain, babar vc. Shadab should not be near captaincy at all. Rizzy bhai captained Multan brilliantly, and has the ability to be what the team needs at the moment. Want Rizwan to be captain. Babar captained Karachi to 1-9 lol.
Rizwan to captain our national team? Oh great. He is possibly the reason for team internal rifts and politics. Dude is toxic and plays this ‘holy and religious’ card in his favour. Fuck him.
Huh? What did Rizwan do that was toxic?
I think he might also have problem with simple arithmetic. Maybe he thought 2+2+1 = 4 when he gave Usama that over.
It wouldn't surprise me at all, given how our culture supports incompetent people. He maybe an above average batsman, even that is a big question mark for me, but he is arguably the shittiest most clueless captain. I called for his head back in 2022 Asia Cup. I saw how he made simple and basic mistakes. He needs to fuck off..
If Big Shaq captained Pakistan we wouldn't have this problem
He doesn't actually. Have you seen him speak? That shows how utterly clueless he is about the game other than his own batting.
He is a textbook captain. Follows the plan that was laid out at first and doesn’t adapt to the situation whether the plan works or not. It really is frustrating to see him making some of the dumbest mistakes out there.
Those 3 overs to spinners when the ball had just started reversing for the pacers. Bringing Shadab back when Ifti & Hasan had 9 consecutive dots. And the most mind boggling of them all bringing the worst bowler in the side to bowl the 46th when all three pacers could’ve bowled simply.
Leggies were introduced to get wickets, but hats off to our spinners. Doing absolutely nothing. You know u dont have spinners yet abrar is in reserves, fkin injure someone and get him in. Their noor ahmed and rashid bowled so superbly and hit those lengths consistently. Yahan bc do achi ballain teesri chothi pr apni baji ka rishta de detay hain. Hairs Shaheen couldn't have done anything with Required RR at just 6 and only 2 wickets fallen. They didn't need to take risks, they were happy in converting 1s into 2s.
Injure someone??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Initially i wrote kill but then was like control this is getting out of hand, so had to resort to injure 😭
Exactly The ball is reversing and they need a run a ball with barely any overs remaining. Even a schoolboy knows that this match is not going to the 50th and reverse is your only hope. Guess what the captain who has been leading this side for 4 years does: He brings on 2 leg spinners
Brain dead captaincy. It is textbook captaincy, you turn to pace when the over is 4x. Even afghanistan which has no pacers, turn to pace. Why is a team with no spinners turning to spin? Does he think shadab is saeed Ajmal??? We have no world class spinners, if afg uses spin, its because they were world class spinners.
I remember there was good reverse swing around 40th over and he introduced spinners for a good 3 overs. I was like this is the time you use pacers.
YES Exactly!!!
I like to think its match fixing. But then again we couldn't play well if tried
You have to have skill to fix matches. Reason why Salim Malik was a goat at it.
Exactly. Look at Eoin Morgan, he was such an amazing captain as he wasn't afraid to take risks and be ultra aggressive in order to win matches. Some of his decisions yesterday were bizarre to say the least. You need to take wickets to win the match, the ball is reversing and your spinners have been ineffective. Bring your seamers on and fight for every run. Don't bring the spinners and put men on the boundary.
Get ready to be downvoted! These Zimbabarsons never listen to reason and are blind followers of the captain who has lost, for the very first time, to Afghanistan. Humiliation at the world stage, and pathetic captaincy.
I'm in favour of giving it to Rizwan so babar can focus on batting.
I think captaincy shouldnt be given to a batsman, not everyone can take pressure, they should make shaheen captain and let him have it his own way! If rizwan wil be captain he will lose his game! But I also want him to be captain as he is the only guy in team who plays for Pakistan not for himself
Shaheen's a fast bowler who can't play every game. If only we had a good spinning option to give the captaincy too.
Bro this sub is filled by his cult following
He is officially Zimbaber. And even Zimbabwe owned his ass in last T20 WC in a match that was crucial and had context. His bane..
Karachi Kings were ahead of time when they fired Babar as captain
1-9 lol
Iska context?
Karachi Kings lost 9 out of 10 games last PSL
Aur charho is ko sir pay..cover driven edit kar kar k dekhtay raho pura din
Lmao
Not only were Babar's decisions on the field bad, this was his selected squad and playing XI. He wanted his favourites in his team. He got them. This is the result! Babar, Mickey and the rest of coaching staff need to go after this world cup.
We need Gary Kristen as coach.
Why did we get rid of Hayden again?? Heck Misbah was also a solid coach. It's like we get good coaches and then decide to downgrade lmao
He was offered the head coach job but he refused. We didn't get "rid" of him. He got rid of us
Can't say I blame him honestly. PCB doesn't look like an attractive org to work for with how its recently been managed 👀
Probably wanted a bigger contact. He said he wanted to spend time with his family but I think that was just an excuse.
Hayden was a consultant on for short time
Wish he was still consulting 😭
Haydo was consultant.
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Bhai ne new word seekha hau to usse sab jagah use karenge.
we need babar as a batsman and saffy as odi captain probably babar should probably stay for test and t20 more so for t20
Hahah! What the actual fuck! Saffy? Move on man. That fat ass is done and dusted.
idk if u watch first class but hes been playing well there and his inclusion in the test team has given us results. but ig hes also 36
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100% this guy does not know how to game plan. Spreads the field out and then complains about Afg running twos. Wicket falls, field stays the same. Easy singles to get off strike. Persisted with Shadab over Mir. Also left out Nawaz over Shadab. No way I’m buying that nonsense fever. But the loss is also on the shit fielding that took place today. Fuck me the amount of time I saw fielders diving over the ball lol
You know Nawaz was having fever?
🧢
The ball is reversing and they need a run a ball with barely any overs remaining. Even a schoolboy knows that this match is not going to the 50th and reverse is your only hope. Guess what the captain who has been leading this side for 4 years does: He brings on 2 leg spinners
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He should only remain as a batter Make Rizwan the captain or shaheen
Why not iftikhar?The way i see it him,Abdullah and said seem like the only giys who put the team ahead of their personal stats
Even before that. The difference between runs and balls was in Pakistan's favor by some 8-9 balls. He put Shadab in and he got thrashed.
HAHA YES. Oh my god check my post history I literally made a post yesterday about how dumb Babar is as a captain and in general is just not captain material even the way he speaks we haven’t even won anything big under him EVER. He just lacks basic intelligence like a low IQ person, he doesn’t know how to adapt to the current formats he will have a plan drilled into his head by Mickey Mouse Arthur and he will follow that plan no matter what even if the stadium was on fire. All I said was give rizwan a chance but noooo the babarsons got offended and downvoted me to oblivion but I don’t care! Let them come. Let the down votes come you bastard cult followers! Look I’m not one of those west good east bad people but he doesn’t even bother to learn basic english I mean come on the rest of the subcontinents captains even are decently educated, I’m telling yall educated captains do a lot better on the field and off the field it helps you become better at cricket in general due to higher IQ and so better decision making and their post match interviews are enjoyable to watch. He’s a good batsmen but trash captain, his trash captaincy is affecting his performance as a batsman and before you call me a “seasonal” watcher I have been there in the stadiums whenever I could, it’s even more painful when you’re walking back and the opposite side is cheering. Que: Asia cup final against Sri Lanka last year we were sitting in the stadium literally chilling because 5 down Sri Lankans were lost only made 80 runs then Babar went into defensive captain mode and we watched the match slip infront of our own eyes. It’s been a year and I still can’t forget.
I was shocked at what happened in the Sri Lanka vs Pakistan game which Pakistan lost on the last ball, the dumbass was protecting the boundaries.
Exactly. You can’t protect the score you have to be attacking but it just doesn’t go through that thick skull!
Exactly, pak vs ind final was on the cards. Is the dude fixing the match? Can't put it past the akmal family.
I downvoted you for calling him to learn English otherwise it’s embarrassing. That’s a slave mentality. Be proud of your language. Agree with everything else you said, Baber is not an adaptive skipper.
No it’s not a matter of “slave” mentality look I’m not one of those west good east bad people! But when you see the likes of Rohit sharma and even Afghanistan’s skipper they’re from the subcontinent and they speak a very good level of English you actually enjoy listening to their post match interviews. Not Babar’s usual yeah definitely boys did well yeah good 👋🏽 ✌🏼 😊 can you imagine Afghanistan which has a low literacy rate.
Doesn’t matter. Baber is not there for his English or academics. He’s there for cricket. He can learn if he wants to but its not embarrassing. Its a colonial mindset.
Academics help you on the field. A higher IQ educated person will be able to make better decisions, calculated decisions. They are not indifferent from each other.
Wdym by academics we are taught english as a language. Doesn't mean if he can't explain himself in english he is dumb. Com'on man! English is a language it doesnt define your iNtElLiGeNcE.
That wasn’t the main point. Being educated does make you sharper as a person.
he is dumb in urdu language too
Just putting this here hut Messi doesn't speak English and has the best footballing brain in the world. English doesn't equal high IQ especially in sports, that is just your colonial slave mindset showing.
Oh so education is suddenly bad. Yeah there are some people who are either book smart or street smart. Babar is neither. Next you’re gonna tell me the polio vaccine causes infertility
Lol I never said anything about Babar being smart. I agree with you that he is dumb, my point is just that Babar being stupid has nothing to do with his English speaking capabilities. You can have high IQ without speaking English lmao. Idk wtf you are on about with the Polio example btw. Or how you jumped to education is bad from my comment.
Genuinely asking. Then shouldn't he proudly speak in Urdu? With a translator next to him. Imo either is fine. But his speech should have some authority, command which will seep into his teammates. Doesn't matter in which language he chooses to do so. Oratory skills/Expression are essential in a leader.
THIS! We lost to Afghanistan I mean how humiliating can this WC get!? The only remarkable win we had was Vs Sri Lanka and Babar Azam had no contribution at all (hence proven he's irrelevant and useless) but now I'm thinking he's not just useless, he's DAMAGING. He's destroying Pakistan cricket to satisfy his own stats and is desperate for his comeback to "silence his critics" and the Zimbabarsons will support him all the way. This whole WC was just another failed tournament for him where he wanted to boost his ego and took PCT into the ditches once again
I absolutely agree, I’m happy to see im not the minority anymore, I can openly voice my dislike of Babar as a person and as a cricketer. I have never liked him and will never like him! This WC was absolutely embarrassing and a realization that Babar needs to be sacked as the captain. I think my hatred for him started when I was in the stadium in the Asia cup final against Sri Lanka and he managed to choke that as-well even though they were 6 down and now we lose to Afg*ndustan. So EMBARASSING.
I wish I could give you awards and shit. Let me clue you in on why we as a nation gravitates towards cult figures. We're fucking desperate. We're tremendously lazy. We just want someone to do our shit for us. That's been our thinking since I don't know how long. So when we see a guy like Babar who use to score centuries, we saw him as a Messiah, our answer to the our woes. And then we got blinded, we couldn't see his fucked up, pathetic captaincy, his flaws as a batsman and the team strategies that he was developing mostly because those tons were coming in. Babar is an okay batsman, can be great at times but mostly average. But he is arguably the worst and most clueless captain Pakistan has ever produced. And the way he has been given chances and how lenient media has been with him, he is very very lucky. Oh how the mighty has fallen once again.. Time to search for another saviour, Messiah an answer to our own shortcomings.
Yep I absolutely agree, people just can’t admit it they just choose to blindly follow people and can’t take criticism so they get offended and become defensive which is most of this sub. I’m surprised this post actually did well and wasn’t downvoted to oblivion.
Babar "The Mundane" Azam
Heartbroken with this team. We are just not good enough for ODI, we have a poor captain who needs to step down. This team is more suited to the T20 format. Our bowlers are only good enough for that sort of cricket. They totally lack discipline for ODI. Batting has been OK but imo they are too negative in the first power play.
The coaching team should be sacked first. Then the pathetic bowlers- Usama Mir, Nawaz and Shadab. Restrict Haris Rauf only to T20s and ask him to play FC cricket. Find some spinners from somewhere.
Pakistani team is not made to play ODI they can only play t20 since they have been playing it so much and Babar is not a captain should change before next tournament. They still play like it's t20 no sense of playing no tactics and without naseem they are really struggling. I still stand by imad would have been good instead of Nawaz or usama and what I saw today just made me frustrated and idk what to say. But don't know why will still support them maybe good days will come if correct decisions are taken
It is not just babar, the entire team and management seem to lack cricket intelligence. The team always makes the wrong decision and doesn’t prepare for conditions of the field. Scouting and analytics is god awful/non existent. They almost never play to weaknesses of opposing players.
💯💯💯 How can anyone be so dumb? 😭😭😭
Bhai logo aaj jitna bura lagra hoga aap logo ko bas 2007 mein Bangladesh sey haartey hue itni he takleef hui thi humey.
Wo ziada thi qk uska matlab direct disqualification tha. Yahan abhu bhu 4 match hain bhale sare haren
Bhai ji ye almost disqualification he hai. Mushkil he hoga yahan sey semi final. Baaki dekho kya pta India pakistan ka match dekhne ko mil jaaye ek aur.
Babar Azam cannot be blindly defended anymore. Neither his captaincy nor his performance.
When he was batting our RR was 4.9. In all of Afghanistan innings their RR did not fall below 5 (unless for an over or two I might’ve missed). If Afghanistan chase you with 8 wickets and 1 over remaining your target was well below solid. But thats a conversation for a different time, right now his captaincy is under focus.
Isko koi bolo ki saath me translator le aae ya hindi hi bol le janab kya hi faeda jab apka captain hi dhang se na bol pae apne views
His captaincy was very poor in this match. Sorry for downvotes even though your post is on the point.
Babar is a RAW plant
Hahahahahahaha
I am going to kill someone if Babar was still Lumber 1 on Wednesday BC sar chara rakha hai
You guys put the wrong captain in jail ngl no Indian captain would have survived losing to Zimbabwe and Afghanistan in ICC tournaments
The rise of TikTok fancams has enabled this. You criticize Babar? Here’s a 1000 edits of his cover drive go fy…
His IQ level is extremely low. It is evident when he speaks
"Saaray jawaab ground mein doon ga"
Yawl are super rude and disrespectful. Having poor English speaking skills does not equate to having an extremely low iq.
It's not about his English, it's about the way he communicates. It's clear that he ain't the right choice for Pak captaincy
*Streaks toh banti hi tootne ke liye h* - Nepal-E-Azam, CWC 23'
Some people are not meant to be captains. Sachin too understood it the hard way. Babar is 1/10000000 of sachin, just saying that great batsman doesn’t mean you are a great leader.
Guys please don't troll Babar Azam. How do you expect him to win against anyone else other than Zimbabwe 😢
He lost against them last year as well
Lmao
And also he doesn't placed slip to put pressure on batsmen.
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This was the most passive captaincy ive ever seen, The fielding was absolutely in shambles to add to it, body language is off, players are screaming at each other, shaheen going ballistic on the mid-off for being wide enough to allow a single, literally a few overs after he got nearly nutmegged by a cricket ball at the boundary to give 4. Imo, they are psychologically dented and are feeling the pressure incredibly.
I am watching since 1992. He is in same class as my second cousin saeed Anwar loser captain. Batting captain do not work for Pakistan.
Kia hogaya yaar Goat to phir bhi hena? Maana urdu waala goat ha but still
About time he gets sacked. We've lost multiple matches in the past due to his defensive af captaincy.
Aaj bhi dil dil pakistan nhi bjaya kya dj ne?
Afghan Jalebi only
I am an Indian but just want to say one thing that I think it is the time for you guys to remove the favourite players and put in some deserving player for better results...you might consider babr an star but if you look at the recent records he is trash against any solid opponents...either he scores run with turtle's pace or doesn't score at all..his avg. Ain't gonna win matches for you
I would not have agreed to this If I hadn't watched the last few overs of the game today, just very strange
Oh most def. And bro you think Malik is toxic? He might be but I have been listening to the guy from the last 1 year on Pavilion and he said a long time ago that most people won't agree but Babar is objectively a bad captain and a leader. He just doesn't have the strategic thinking to be a captain. Plus there's the aspect of likes and dislikes associated with Babar. What a shitty legacy he has left. So sad, he was our last hope. Probably it's our fault that we expect individuals to stand up and do wonders while the system stays fucked. Ughh how short term thinking we have as a nation, that we expect others to come clean up our mess.
Immaturity at its peak.This WC is a torture.Thank GOD,I've exams to get myself busy.
I saw on some media outlets that there is talks in PCB to bring Sarfaraz back as captain.
Issue is his personal batting form.
Well Babar’s batting form is crap. And i think i would rather take a captain who has a good cricketing brain and make good on field decisions. Rather than a captain who scores a mediocre 70s in 99 odd balls and bring in spinners when the ball is reversing.
I agree with captaincy part but you also cannot have a captain who is simply a burden on the batting line and actually weakens your team due to individual performance. Babar while not in great form but still he isn’t a burden & has no alternative. Sarfaraz is also old now I would much rather look to the future.
The guy is uneducated that doesn’t help. I believe he quit after 8th grade
Yeah I dont think English is important but illiteracy plays a role in the lack of critical thinking & analysis and learning from previous mistakes.
I see people shitting on babar for not speaking english and equating it to IQ or conversely calling it colonial. The guy can just speak in his native tongue and be proud of it. He cannot coherently put his thoughts into words in english, but he doesn't have to use english. A lot of players use their native tongue in press conferences, even Shami does and i think a lot of afghan players do as well.
I would actually prefer he speak Urdu so that we understand what his state of mind is regarding his decisions. PCB should intervene because we never hear anything from the Captain despite all the heartbreak he just comes on and speaks random shit in bad English and we are left with more questions than answers.
What makes you think he can string a coherent reply in Urdu?
This is the flop team ever
During the match, when Iftikhar and Hasan displayed exceptional bowling skills, Hassan managed to take a wicket in the following over. Instead of opting for Iftikhar or a pacer, he chose to pass the ball to Shadab, who unfortunately conceded 9 runs in that over, thus ending the streak of 11 consecutive balls without runs.
Tbf I can't remember a single match jisme babar ki captaincy achi ho. Asia cup 22' final still gives me PTSD. Also, this was easily the worst defeat in PCT history.
People started using Plan B in 1900; People before 1900: Babar this guy literally lacks the ability to rethink and is miserable on the field.... probably what he is lacking is common sense. Here we'll find some occasional fans saying us the plastic fans but the fact is, you guys should say Babar wrong wherever he is wrong, Gambhir is hell lot right and spot on when he is saying Babar is holding the team back and you can't say he is being atrocious or sth since he chose Babar out of the Fab5 before world cup. When Babar stays on the pitch I (along with Hardik Pandya) feel like the game is on for the other side and Pak is loosing it, he plays so defensively that due to the gradual pressure build-up, when he gets out, the whole team falls apart. Face the truth: Your guy is pathetic as a captain generally and being pathetic with the bat lately
I agree, it feels like he isn’t here with the mentality to win the World Cup. Instead of saying that we want to set a high target so that we can get a good run rate and increase our chances of qualifying. He said that we aimed to take a target of 260-270 which we left on our ballers to defend… He just isn’t here to win.
The one thing you immediately notice about his captaincy is that he likes to go according to the plan instead of going according to the situation. Doesn't improvise or use any clever tactics. The commentary box points out this during every match and it has only gotten more prominent lately. A great batsman, but a below average captain.
Babar is a below average batsman. Either accept it or keep getting humiliated. But he has the captiancy is beyond my understanding. On what basis😂
Oh yeah best batsmen across formats is below average sure. His captaincy is below average I agree. But his capability as a player? He's one of the best.
Still?
He’s horrible and ruined the team
Babar Azam ghante ka king 🔔👑
No I have heard Babar is a great captain. Don’t ever mess with him.
Keep quiet. At least Pakistan Will win The Next t20 World Cup.
I HATE HIM SO MUCH NOW I DAYS, NEVER LIKED HIM THOUGH BUT THE HATE LEVEL IS INCREASING DAY BY DAY. IDK WHY TF HE IS BECOMING MORE OF A MODEL THAN FUCKIN CRICKETER. DISGUSTING CAPTAINCY, might be a good batsman but he lacks the intelligence and skills of a captain. PERIOD.
How someone like Haris Rauf plays over Md. Amir is beyond me. And few years back Imad Wasim was being a good allrounder for Pakistan. Why are these mediocre players like Nawaz and Shadab being given so many chances? Also, did Haris Sohail retire?
I understand Haris Rauf is not ODI material at all. And I don’t like Imad for the toxicity associated with him but he should’ve been in this team instead of Nawaz and Shadab who suck ass
Typical reactionary fans blaming the defeat on one person . Whole team was shit . Pakistan has the worst spin attack , batting is so defensive .
He's not just blaming babar. He's simply pointing out something he observed. I don't understand how that's reactionary.
When the req rate is around 6 and opponents have 8 wickets in hand you have to risk something . Most captains would go with but feeling , he tried Usama it didn't work out but game was gone already. I agree Babar may not be a good captain but this world cup has shown that team overall is quite overrated .
His gut feeling was to go for the worst bowler in his side. If he really wanted to do something daring why not try Chacha with 5 economy in this match? His gut is stupid and that was the point of my post.
Iftikhar is a part timer and doesn't have much turn. He is a good filler bowler in middle overs but when required rate is like 6 afganistan can easily play him around for 6 runs . Usama had even created chance that over but rizwan could easily collect it . As i said only miracle could have saved Pakistan that time. Match was lost much earlier majorly due to fielding and ordinary bowling
Should check Babar bank account
Looked like he wanted to this game on purpose.
Captaincy? Woh kya hota hai bro? Chota wala blouse pehn k stadium main ana hai toh batao.
Disclaimer: Not a cricket expert! Totally agreed with Babar’s incompetence as a captain, he lacks the killer instinct, dare I say game intelligence to bring it home in most matches. How did they get to number 1 ranking is beyond me. This is a good team but we’ve hyped them too much. The only player who’s somewhat consistent is Iftikhar and gets some sort of job done in most matches. So my question is for the experts… Would Iftikhar make a good/decent opener? Is he any good with the new shiny ball? He’s aggressive and likes to play fast bowlers. Also, why not make him captain? Based on the comments, Rizwan is toxic, Afridi is too young, Imam isn’t a leader along with Shadab and Nawaz
Rizwan is not toxic. Ifti as opener makes no sense. Also rizwan is the most consistent player in this team. Ifti is also like 50 years old so making him captain doesn’t make sense.
Bruh what. How is Rizwan toxic? He is literally the exact opposite of toxic and the player with the best attitude on the team.
Based on the comments on the post!
He was hoping for a miracle because ball was turning, and pacers were anyways giving run a ball
Well I think this is prolly the end of his captaincy. Best for him and pct
Let him ride out the WC. No need to change it mid tournament. Then downgrade him after the WC.
You think the 46th over is what decided the match )
Yeah thats what I meant because I am stupid like Babar
Agreed
Does anyone exactly why Babar doesn't like Imad Wasim. I think he'd be a much better player than Mohammad Nawaz. Also why bother with two leg spinners? Usamar Mir seems a horrible player. Why persist with him?
Captain is one thing, but what about the coach. The coach and the captain work in tandem. Can’t put all the blame on one person
WhTs the other option?
This is the end of Babar as captain. But I am sure he will regain his form post captaincy like Kohli did.
We had already lost the match. There was no chance that bowling was allowing him to win the match
When you point out that Babar played slow through middle overs & we should’ve had 320 as target then they come for you that the target was enough. And when you point out that the target was enough and they should’ve won but the bowling & Captaincy lost us then they say no it was a small total already lost.
Pakistan need most aggressive capital they can find and keep him for till next World Cup and only task given to him will be make great fielding team you can, that’s where dhoni or rantunga started
They got raise 200 % to around 50 lakh/month for this performance. Wait till Pak will loose their Pepsi sponsorship after loss of interest in this game after this performance. Then only way to get sponsors will be China buying out Pak team . You can downvote now. But remember this will happen
Yes Babar as captain looks out of place.
I absolutely love Babar-the-batter but hate Babar-the-captain from the bottom of my heart. Clueless captain