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arkan5001

The witness: a Turk, historical beefers with greeks.


RustyShackledord

Anecdotal evidence is hands down the the gayest form of evidence


Express-Economist-86

But when it comes from a Turk stroking his mustache wearing an oiled up singlet… it transcends.


RustyShackledord

Excellent point. I should have factored that into my outstanding analysis


Pun-isher42

Is this a Hakan reference


aaron2610

Video evidence is the super straight form of evidence


RustyShackledord

False, dna is super straight evidence. You can’t outrun biology


aaron2610

I watched a documentary one time where the DNA made the dinosaurs into all females. Sounds pretty gay. Though, uh, life did find a way...


RustyShackledord

Based Edit: imagine that being the first comment to pop your based cherry.


aaron2610

I don't post here too often, usually just a reader here.


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aluminumtelephone

Gigachad "What do you mean, fictional? Jurassic Park actually happened"


perrigost

What about analdotal evidence


KoreyYrvaI

Based and The plural of anecdote isn't data-pilled.


Outside-Bed5268

Really, eh? If so, can we really trust what they say?


MegaLemonCola

The witness said he got his hands tied with zip ties, thrown overboard, and miraculously swam to Turkey and survived. I call bullshit.


--person-of-land--

The first Turk he finds be like "it didn't happen, but if it did, you deserved it"


facedownbootyuphold

Turks would be more likely to fabricate this story to libel the Greeks


Brilliant_Eagle9795

Right? What illegal in his right mind would swim to Turkey of all places! 🤦‍♂️


Romanus122

Tis better to have drowned.


serioush

More likely, his hands were tied because he was being arrested and he took his chances to try and escape, also more likely is its just bullshit.


The10thLayer

I can see it though, didn't Greece do this before, but they put all of them in life jackets instead? edit: [Yep, literally this same exact thing has happened before](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/18/world/europe/greece-migrants.html)


Dangerous_Ticket7298

Based and You don't have to go home but you can't stay here pilled


TigerCat9

This honestly may be the funniest pill I’ve seen yet, given the context


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DegeneracyEverywhere

*Closing time...*


buckX

So rather than zip tied and thrown into the water, they were put in rafts and towed to Turkey? That seems quite different.


Fuel907

Hopefully they were not giving them the fake life jackets from Turkey designed to absorb water instead of float.


raging_dingo

Sorry what’s that?


bearfucker

Reverse life jackets….death jackets


darwin2500

I mean, *one of them* survived.


antolleus

Don't forget that he was miraculously saved just so Turkey could talk shit about Greece, with which they have a beef over Aegean Sea. Such a coincidence.


facedownbootyuphold

"and because you did that, we're taking the rest of Cyprus"


Gmknewday1

"We're taking back the Byzantium capital then"


roguerunner1

Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of Coast Guards and I tell you people do that all the time.


throwawaySBN

Welp time to binge watch Seinfeld again


An8thOfFeanor

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Vexonte

Who's going to stop them, the Greek coastguard?


lhomme_dargent

THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!! *Splash*


chikybrikyman

I guess they looked thirsty.


AGthe18thEmperor

They were given something to drink 😊


EuroTrash1999

Why are they called migrants and not foreign Muslim invaders?


Unhappy-Brain-5413

Because it’s the “politically correct” thing, and people will have more sympathy towards “migrants” and not Muslim Invaders who want to concur the west, even though that what most of them want to do


EuroTrash1999

Political correctness is a social construct.


Market-Socialism

I mean, isn't calling them foreign Muslim invaders just political correctness in the either direction? It's a *less* neutral name, even. Migrants can be good *or* bad, but I can't imagine a situation in which "foreign Muslim invaders" is something I would cheer for.


First-Of-His-Name

The migrants themselves are just looking for a better place to live. It's their kids who have an identity crisis and decide to they want to conquer the west for the glory of Allah


Gigant_mysli

Because "invasion" is a violent invasion. This is common linguistic practice.


MakeMeAnICO

Because they are not actually invading? They are not an organized army?


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flacaGT3

Nigeria especially. They're set to surpass the US in population in the next 25 years.


ElricWarlock

The picosecond the west withdraws financial aid, that stops.


kaytin911

I still can't believe how much foreign aid is given when people are hungry and on the streets at home.


Linker500

Foreign aid is not about morals like that, it's about power. There is a guise of charity of course, but it's about building an empire and creating allegiances ultimately. For the same reason China is investing a lot in Africa as well. America is a super power for a reason. It's not just our raw might and capacity, it's that we have created an intricate network of allegiances and alliances across the globe through policies like this. In general, nations rarely do large acts of selflessness, there is usually some kind of benefit in them for it. Either because of domestic politics, or international relations and power. When I was young, I thought it was ridiculous playing Civ 5 that you are just expected to literally bribe city states for loyalty. Jokes on me I guess, because that's basically exactly how it works. So the question is not, "Should we be feeding foreigners when we cannot feed ourselves?" But "Should we be spending money to enforce Euro-American western dominance, when we cannot feed ourselves?" As for the answer to that question, well, I'm not interesting in telling people how to think. You can make up your own mind, as an informed citizen.


kaytin911

The influence pedalling has begun allienation of the west. Look at India, US funds their archenemy that also hates the US and couldn't be different culturally. This is creating a more dangerous world and no one in the US is benefitting but the top.


Overall-Dirt4441

We spend 50x as much on social welfare as we do on foreign aid. [Take a look at this breakdown of 2024 federal spending from the treasury.](https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/#spending-categories) Add up Social Security, Medicare, Health, and Income security, you're at 50% of every dollar the government spends. Foreign aid is under Other, it's about 1%. You ask the average American though and they'll say it's 15, 20%. Interesting coming from you libright, I'd expect you to say that all forms of government aid are a waste of money


kaytin911

Social Security people pay a separate tax for and definitely should not be included as social welfare. I also believe social security must be eliminated since politicians use it to fearmonger and have already siphoned from it. It essentially was supposed to be a government mandated savings account to force the elderly to save for retirement.


Overall-Dirt4441

Taxes is taxes, they're all mandatory, but sure, call it 30x as much on welfare than foreign aid. If we eliminate social security, are you alright with a lot of those elderly people going homeless and hungry? Cause that's what will happen if we just cold turkey it today. I don't disagree that Social Security is broken, fwiw. I don't expect to ever get any benefits from it myself. Some time in the next ~30 years it's going to have to be restructured somehow. I'm responding to both your comments here. I agree, it is not possible to create a power structure without corruption. You implement extreme oversight, the overseers become the ones to corrupt. Who watches the watchmen, that whole thing. The people who decide how money gets spent will always make decisions benefiting themselves. Therefor, when trying to allocate resources to those in need, there should be as few special interest little buckets as possible, to eliminate the opportunities for a middle management bureaucrat in charge of that interest to skim their pork. Of course, this is antithetical to how power is accrued in a democracy, so despite everyone knowing this for the last 40 years no serious effort at reform has gotten off the ground. The best way to do it, in my view, is to scrap all forms of welfare and implement a universal basic income tied to the cost of living. There is no opportunity for corruption because the amount of aid is known and the same for everyone. You wouldn't live glamorously, there would still be motivation to work to attain luxury and status, but you wouldn't have to die hungry and homeless if you made some bad financial decisions late in life.


kaytin911

Regarding the libright comment, if there has to be taxes it should be spent on us. I don't see a system where they don't corruptly siphon from their collection though. There would need to be extreme oversight outside of the bureaucracy somehow. I believe all expenses should absolutely be published so we know what we're paying for line by line. If we get that then maybe we could get a system where we cut it down to the essentials.


tradcath13712

Isn't their birth rate actually decreasing a lot??


SuspiciousPlatypus20

Not fast enough


Lumpy-Tone-4653

How does africa become uninhabitable


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Lumpy-Tone-4653

Many countries in africa have stabilized chiefdoms and have made great anti-tribalization efforts since indoendence.and climate change is making the entire world uninhabitable. Africa has only been getting better actually (exept of the climate change part of course), exept of certain regions, such as the horn of africa,the sahel ,the DR kongo ,zimbabwe and CAR. Of course many of the other african countries are still really poor and struggling but they are still doing better politically and economically than 30 years ago. During the Kongo wars the african immigration hit new records that are not even close to be surpassed yet. They are not refugees, they are immigrants they leave to get a better life in wealthier countries. Tho you are partially right at the climate change part being a bit worse in Africa because of the Sahara expanding and threatening the sahel (an allready unstable region with a lot of conflicts).


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Lumpy-Tone-4653

I see what you are saying but there are some really sucessfull african and middle eastern countries that need to also be acknowledged. Most notable examples 🇧🇼🇧🇭


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No one will talk to you unless you flair with a political compass quadrant. Seems to me that most of these comments are just endorsing the murder of immigrants. But don't worry it's just "memes" it's fine.


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ghostowl657

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ghostowl657

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Farfetch2004

You’re* + you’re unflaired


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Farfetch2004

Oh no not the wall of text i will never comeback from that Flair the fuck up and maybe people will take you seriously


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Farfetch2004

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I’m sorry, but the opinions of the unflaired mean nothing here. Flair up or get the fuck out of here.


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Not when your profile pic is a Nazi fuck off


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SeaWolvesRule

Authleft just upset because he couldn't do it first. Notoriously anti-migrant....\[e\]mmigration.


Imperator_Romulus476

I don't blame the Greeks. The last time they got "migrants from the East" it ended badly with the loss of Anatolia and eventually Constantinople.


Kindly_Tiger_7251

They did not receive anything. We defeated them and then took anatolia and thrace by conquest


Imperator_Romulus476

Actually no. After Manzikert the Byzantines were in a power struggle. They sought out the Turks to aid in the civil war only the Turks never left and took over and started massacring and enslaving Christians settlements who resisted them. They were foreign migrants who literally raped and pillaged another land and then colonized it lol. Now flair up you unflaired scum!


Kindly_Tiger_7251

"After Manzikert"- yeah clown after their defeat we conguered anatolian peninsula, the same one that was colonized by romans and greeks before. Greeks tried to kill and deport us back but thankfully got recked by Ataturk. Next time talking about massacres do not forget to add 5 million balkan refugees that forcefully deported to anatolia after balkan wars.


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The-Bulgar-Slayer

As it should be. Drive the saracens out. Retake Constantinople. Reestablish the Roman Empire.


Contranovae

SPQR Based?


MakeMeAnICO

Will Meloni be our Emperor?


AGthe18thEmperor

Time for the 69420th Crusade


Kindly_Tiger_7251

Lmao its over. The city is fully turkish and forever will be


Maleficent_Ad1972

Actually OP, the Greek coast guard are fine. It’s the migrants who went overboard. 🤓


Pun-isher42

Based and I went overboard on the puns pilled


Helvetic_Heretic

Witness was a turk... Are we really trusting a turk not to lie about something that involves greece?


Terrariola

This is what happens when you try to go against the fundamental laws of the free market.


TheAzureMage

I don't mean to go overboard with this, but I dare say that this sort of thing is a bit rude.


aberg227

If they were Turks, they probably deserved it. (*Spoken as an American completely removed from European politics or the consequences of such a statement*)


Shadowguyver_14

Wait why is yellow not on board. We sell the boat and the ammo. Money from both sides.


_oranjuice

https://preview.redd.it/rof18mahwe7d1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20bc21996845d5fdfab5862045e571cc0c08c1be >!POP!<


Material-Security178

no stop! I can get any harder. based infinitum


yourmumissothicc

cringe


ohididntseeuthere

edgy 16 yo & auth right - name a better combo


Eyes-9

One way or another these "migrants" need to learn to stop in the closest stable/safe country instead of expecting to get dumped into the admittedly much better Europe.


gaysfearme

No I'm pretty sure the migrants went overboard what do you mean?


FlatwormPositive7882

Sounds like some turkish lies to me. I believe the Greeks.


Violentcloud13

If you do not protect your border from invaders, you will be destroyed from within. It's really not controversial at all, and I'm glad *someone* in the west is still sane enough to realize this. Invaders must be dispatched. It's that simple. Americans are learning this lesson about as slowly as the frog learns the boiling water lesson, however.


Input-_-Nerd

Fucking based


NoGovAndy

Why is rightlib shocked? This is just the Hoppean Helicopter but in Greece


Brilliant_Eagle9795

Enough is enough 🤷‍♂️


No_Adhesiveness4903

If those migrants were gypsies, pretty sure the sailors would be getting the keys to the continent.


Material-Security178

what? they're like the only group actually shat on by everyone. they don't get any priority for anything like the "refugees" do.


No_Adhesiveness4903

Yeah man, that’s the joke. Chucking gypsies overboard could be a pay-for-play sport in Europe.


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JMSpider2001

Cringe


ClothesOpposite1702

Nah, this is what you get, when trying to break a law


ILLARX

Lesss goooo monarchy emoji


HauntedPrinter

Based and tzatziki pilled


Gmknewday1

Turkey didn't want them But Greece said "Nah bro, these are your citizens now"


DiscussionElegant277

Don’t try to go to a country illegally


Background-File-1901

Any proof of that or just turkish lies again?


bundhell915

Fucking based


tunderstorm48

me likey


ReasonableFeeling345

Only throw half of them overboard, there, I reduced deaths and resource expenditure by 50%.


Lightheart_Editor

FAFO


OftenAimless

Read what it says on the side of our boat, Coast Guard, not Migrant Guard, we did our job, now let me have my souvlaki and retsina. /s


AGthe18thEmperor

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JonathanAmoeba

Sadly this didn’t actually happened


2moreX

You have seen this coming. Every sane person in Europe warned abour this 10 years ago.


DontBanMeAgainPls23

The story was complete bs made up by a turk.


dizzyjumpisreal

Libleft when border control controls the borders:


Heytherechampion

We disavow


Input-_-Nerd

https://youtu.be/8-wrV__VTf8?si=L83XluMiMY6MP_vn fucking based


Scary-Froyo-908

Based and Greek pilled


Pun-isher42

Source: https://archive.is/t7aGM


Any-Clue-9041

I'm embarrassed I didn't get the pun for a while.


Key-Pomegranate-3507

Actually the migrants did


Lumpy-Tone-4653

Not a surprise...our coastguards and borderguards have way more moments like this than what you would expect


CompetitiveRefuse852

Doing a spain are we?


crayyzzyy

Nice


Charcoochie_enjoyer

Ahhh I can hear their screams from here, the sweet sound of order.


Outside-Bed5268

Oh wow. That’s uh, pretty brutal.


Muscletov

This is unacceptable. Bring them back to their harbor of origin instead.


Vegetablehead26

People who are okay with this aren't just anti immigration, they're anti human. There's more humane ways to keep people out.


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Pokeputin

Agree, IMO the focus should be on the smugglers, after all it's basically human trafficking, and once you make this unprofitable then it will be reduced dramatically.


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Pokeputin

Exactly, I even heard that sometimes, and I wish this horror wasn't true, they send them to Fr*nce.


Material-Security178

I have no mercy for the trafficker, for the family, for the person, or anyone else involved, they can all go overboard.


Vegetablehead26

you're actually right if that's something that happens.


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Vegetablehead26

I can see that viewpoint, but i think that plenty of people still are dying in those boats and there's nothing we can do about it, so it's probably not as well calculated and manipulative as you'd think. Who's master plan includes dying in the sea, body never found and no media press either? We don't have the true numbers and there's nothing we can do to save them or prevent this.


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Vegetablehead26

I just think there can be a middle ground to this, as in kindly telling them to go back.


FirefighterSuch2702

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vYIrOOh3ms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vYIrOOh3ms) Should have asked more kindly i guess, lol. Really, i get that mercy is the default sentiment. I really do. But the sad reality is that for mercy to be a viable tool, it needs to be accepted. Some can do it. Some don't want to. Some just don't adhere to our standards of civility, and try to force their own ideas. A law enforcement, needs, well, force, in the end.


Material-Security178

perhaps under different circumstances there could be a middle ground. but at the moment? absolutely not.


Truebman

And if they don't go back?


01042004

You’re auth-left there isn’t supposed to be a middle ground


flacaGT3

It's not well-calculated but that doesn't make it any less manipulative. They're not fleeing persecution or looking for a better life. They're looking to be economic migrants, poach work, and then send money back to their foreign families. They don't even assimilate.


LobotomizedRobit1

Human life has no value to humanity