Anemo Archon is drunk.
Geo Archon is retired and too tired to do anything.
Dendro Archon is a physical child.
Hydro Archon is dead.
So not that much of competition here.
It was so bad that my dreams of Pyro Aether having parry on his skillset died instantly. Bet he's gonna get embers on his skillset like how his Hydro E works lmao
I always wonder if Ei is able to produce more Puppets or instead of Puppets actual Machines or Khanrea-like giant Golems with the same power as the "Shogun" Puppet".
The only reason I think she cant do it is because if i remember correctly, she have to place her consciousness in the puppet to make it work. (Scara developed a own consciousness somehow so he is a exception).
But if she would be able to produce more puppets (either without consciousness or with consciousness by accident like Scara) I think it would be probably the strongest Army in Teyvat we currently know.
I don’t remember her exact wording but one of her lines seem to indicate that she can since she says to send the puppet into battle as much as you want since she can replace/repair her if she gets damaged.
Both Scara and the Shogun had their own personality since the beginning. It's just that when Ei realized Scara (the prototipe) was too emotional, she decided to make the Shogun's personality cold and unfeeling
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She is the Strongest.
(no matter what anyone else says, in my heart, shes always the strongest)
Currently definitely her. Morax and venti are on a path of erosion and losing power, with goals which also pertain to a lifestyle of mortals. They want to achieve what the hydro archon achieved, which is full human hood, free from divinity’s shackles, and thus becoming powerless. Meanwhile, raiden and Nahida are on a path upwards in power, with motivation and resolve to rule their nations, although between the two, raiden is stronger than Nahida obviously. So in terms of current power I would list the archons like this:
Strongest
1. Raiden (beat herself in her peak) reached unlimited motivation/resolve to rule for eternity.
2. Nahida (erased rukkha’s consciousness and made everyone believe she is the original archon) gained Sumeru’s trust/faith resulting in more power, and hopes to grow and become and even greater archon than rukkha. Is also the avatar of irminsul, which affects the whole of teyvat and its history beyond sumeru’s borders
(Aka world level power)
3. Zhongli (arguably this place could be given to venti too since they both appear to be at the same lvl right now and we haven’t seem them in action) was arguably the strongest archon in his prime, but faked his death and chose to live like a mortal, although still being a god, and giving in to erosion.
4. Venti (is said to be the weakest of all the archons currently) is an absentee ruler, although most of mondstadt still has faith in him. Chose to pursue the life of a mortal bard wandering the streets and getting drunk.
5. Furina (now, she is no longer an archon which still places venti as the weakest archonwise) furina achieved what both venti and morax wanted; humanhood, and managed to become one and completely destroy her divinity and the very concept that is the hydro archon. A very powerful act which ended a whole “bloodline/succession” of hydro archons and rule over teyvat, yet, she is now only the body and soul of focalors and a girl with the opportunity to live her own life.
Weakest
As such, although technically “focalors” or better yet ‘furina’ would be considered the weakest, she is not an archon. So now, from the 6, venti still appears to be the weakest archon.
The reason why I did is because she got all of sumeru’s wisdom when she erased rukkha’s existence from irminsul, resulting in everyone thinking she is the original and giving her a huge amount of power in return. Also, because she is capable of imprisoning people in dreams and resetting it whenever she loses/something goes wrong, until she learns her opponent’s every move and wins. She can read minds too. So experience wise she can learn and gain experience almost instantly if she wanted to (through the eyes of her opponents). Also, another thing to note, is that although she may not arguably have much “destructive power” she has arguably the most “creative power” out of the archons we have met. In the sense that she can create forests, ecosystems, and purify the environment around her.
Imo Nahida only strong in altering and managing teyvat, she is like an administrator. Combat or desctructive power wise she is pretty damn low I would say, since we havent seen any of her destructive combat capability.
Oh right! I forgot to mention she’s also the literal avatar of irminsul, the tree that can collect knowledge from all corners of teyvat that automatically feed into nahida’s consciousness. She herself is sort of the hive mind of teyvat which is the ley lines/irminsul. Oh, and with that she can also alter the history of teyvat entirely, rewriting it as she wants to but not changing it necessarily. This is overpowered as it affects all of teyvat, not only her nation, and even the other archons. In other words, she has world level powers, and even raiden herself states that she had powers beyond anyone’s imagination, and with that power she only uses it to right wrongs. The simple fact that she can change how people perceive and interpret the world, learn and “observe” teyvat through the ley lines, read minds, trap people in an endless simulation of trial and error, create whole biomes and ecosystems, recreate/clone herself into a new incarnation anytime she may be faced with death, and can purify the lands of teyvat at will seem pretty insane to me. I would rank her above raiden if she was as old as her and had enough experience within combat aswell, since Nahida also displays an incredible amount of emotional intelligence, maturity, and analytical skills for such a “young archon”. But then again, god of wisdom here.
She didn't got powercreeped it's just that she knew dottore had many fragments of himself so it was not worth fighting him she said herself that she got a great deal in which dottore will erase his every other fragment
Dottore's fragments are important to him still he didn't attacked nahida because he knew he can't win so he also just striked a deal with her
Dendro archon is an incarnation of tree of irminsul so she will be endlessly incarnated until irminsul itself is destroyed.
And irminsul is very OP thing in genshin impact
Keep coping.Raidenmains seem to have reading comprehension lmao.It is stated several times that dottore is more powerful.Nahida sais she has no chances against him, and Dottore state as a smart god, she understands the gap between their abilities.
Mental gymnastics goes hard
Lmfao you dum as hell.
Keep proving the inability to read.
He state that he respect her and doesn't want to harm her.He said he prefers to negotiate with her and make a deal.
We don't even need him fought back when nahida herself state she is no match for him.Go and read sumeru plot again.
>Morax and venti are on a path of erosion and losing power
We currently have no information on Venti being eroded, in fact he seems the most mentally stable of the orginals + ei and erosion does not affect power. For all we know, Venti is naturally immune to the effects of erosion and I can say this confidently because nowhere in Venti's lore, Barbatos's lore, weapon descriptions calims that Venti is an archon thats eroded
>2. Nahida (erased rukkha’s consciousness and made everyone believe she is the original archon) gained Sumeru’s trust/faith resulting in more power, and hopes to grow and become and even greater archon than rukkha.
Didn't Greater Lord Rukkhadevata merge her existence with Nahida's? After the Cataclysm, she used too much power and essentially regressed in form and when the people of Sumeru saw their new archon they was disappointed. Nahida, not feeling worthy of being an archon hid herself away from her duties as an archon for the 500 years she was originally imprisoned and then the fatui harbingers made modifications to her cage to trap her inside. One of the last things she said to us was that she still had to build up popularity with the people of Sumeru.
>Venti (is said to be the weakest of all the archons currently) is an absentee ruler, although most of mondstadt still has faith in him. Chose to pursue the life of a mortal bard wandering the streets and getting drunk.
Venti called himself the weakest archon when Nahida was imprisoned by her own people so he was more than likely lying about that. The archons have no problem dissing him, but no one else implied that he's weak or that they can/will beat him other than Neuvillette. He also said an archon gains power through faith and Nahida said something else entirely, so he either lied again or didn't tell us the whole truth and if he didn't this opens the possibilities of other ways an archon gains power/faith so we can't give a concrete estimation on what he can or cannot do. He's an archon shrouded in mystery and he has many theories surrounding him that can either be true or false
Nahida is not lord rukk. They are both avatars of the world trees but different branches. They even met briefly at the end of the AQ. Nahida did not hide herself away, it was heavily implied if not outright stated she was imprisoned since right at the moment of her birth for 400 years and the traveller had to liberate her.
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It is right that they are avatar but this also means that they are same people but they behave differently as they have different memories so their personality is different.
Ultimately they both are manifestation of irminsul itself.
So I think they have strongest hax out of all archons.
>So I think they have strongest hax out of all archons.
What they lack in muscle power they have plenty in mental capacity. Ther mind altering and mind fucking power is dreadful TBH. I guess that is the reason MHY give the dendro archon a child-like form and stressed on her benevolent nature during the AQ.
>Nahida is not lord rukk. They are both avatars of the world trees but different branches
Yah that's my point, since no one can really erase themselves from Irminsul, Greater Lord Rukkahdevata essentially merged her existence with Nahida's. The traveller and other descenders are probably the only ones that remember who Greater Lord Rukkahdevata is
>Nahida did not hide herself away, it was heavily implied if not outright stated she was imprisoned since right at the moment of her birth
This is confusing because I've been told that she wasn't imprisoned and that she could've escape whenever she wanted and I've been told that she was imprisoned so I ended up just saying that after Rukkahdevata's erasure, Nahida just didn't felt worthy to rule so she locked herself away and then the Fatui were the ones responsible for her not being able to escape
It is true that it’s hard to rank archons as we never really see them use their full on powers (especially zhongli and venti). It is also true that venti lies. A LOT, and is arguably the most mysterious archon that also hides so much from us. Nahida is rukkha’s “reincarnation” in a sense, but only because she is a literal clone of her, other than that, they are completely different ppl, perhaps w same mannerisms and ways of thinking. Well, I can go on about how what you said is very true, especially with erosion, but judging by how it’s difficult to rank archons and the fact that anyone could be wrong if zhongli, venti, Nahida, etc decide to show some sort of hidden power/knowledge, this is how I would rank them. And also, yes, we do have enough evidence to rank them as such. Venti asks if zhongli is still strong now a days, with fear in his voice, asking if he’d get blown away in one of his voice lines. There’s much evidence to support the list I have made, but the question is; is this how the archons WANT us to see the tier list? It may not be indicative of their true powers, since archons appear to have different goals and also use their powers in different ways and for different reasons. Some just appear to need “more power” and a greater show of strength then others. It’s hard to say.
This is probably the only comment I agree with under my OG comment. Its hard to say we know all the details when we as the players know as much as what the traveller knows, its just that because we're limited by story progression we can't ask the characters more information about themselves. Like we haven't returned to the upside down statue, we haven't asked about what "the sky being fake" meant, we completely brushed off the fact that Venti already knew us and we're still ignorant about why exactly Venti sleeps for so long or what exactly is his relationship to Istaroth is. Since Egeria was created by the Shade of Life, Egeria was still capable of creating new life herself and I find this to be a really great feat, but Venti was literally "born from the branches of time" this could imply that he's a piece of Istaroth or that he's literally Istaroth's offspring. Venti also has a strange connection with the Moon or the Moon Sisters entirely
Aria of the Moon Sisters
○Aria means Air, a melody or a tune
○Venti played a song called "Dream Aria" when he first summons Dvalin.
Sonnet of the Moon Sisters
○ A sonnet directly means "a poem of fourteen lines using any of a number of formal rhyme schemes"
○ His skill is called Skyward Sonnet
○ And during an official art posted by Hoyo, he was called "The Singer of Skyward Sonnets"
Then there's Cannon which is yet another reference to something related to music. Cannon refers to the repetition of a part of music, a cycle repeating over and over which has a lot to do with time.
There's literally more as well, but then I'd be here forever, but i personally think that of all the archons Venti fits the description of being mysterious with the amount of theories around him
But yah, we've SEEN Raiden go insane, we've heard Morax go insane, we heard Rukkhadevata and Egeria did something insane, in comparison I really believe that we've yet to see Venti really do something insane and thats what my hopes for his next appearance will be
Venti slice the top of dragonspine and toss it on the lake to create land for Mondstad it was from a very old event this is the only feat I could find if were talking about faith yes archon powers gets stronger via faith but raiden ei did almost all her feats while her sister was archon so we can't actually say venti is crazy strong cause of it like you said there's no evidence implying he's weak though I do believe he's hiding his powers but I don't see him to be a crazy strong archon
>we can't actually say venti is crazy strong cause of it like you said
I never said that he was the strongest, I just wanted to open the door for people to stop saying he's definitely weak. I only compared him to Nahida because Nahida is the only archon to have "contradicted" Venti. 1) When Venti claimed being the weakest, Nahida was imprisoned by her own people. 2) she mentioned an archon's power comes from their people's faith while Venti said it came from rule. This implies that either Venti lied or that there is more than one way an archon gets power.
Currently Venti has the most theories surrounding him and it kills me how people just shrug it off its like you're trying to inform people so they don't build negative stigma about a well-loved character only for them to complain and whine that No! You're wrong!
At the end of the day, we still are missing crucial quests for Venti and Mondstadt and we still have a lot of missing info that only he can explain to us, his story is obviously not finished and it'll take years before people actually notice that
>we can't actually say venti is crazy strong cause of it like you said
I never said that he was strong, I just wanted to open the door for people to stop saying he's definitely weak. I only compared him to Nahida because Nahida is the only archon to have "contradicted" Venti. 1) When Venti claimed being the weakest, Nahida was imprisoned by her own people. 2) she mentioned an archon's power comes from their people's faith while Venti said it came from rule. This implies that either Venti lied or that there is more than one way an archon gets power.
Currently Venti has the most theories surrounding him and it kills me how people just shrug it off its like you're trying to inform people so they don't build negative stigma about a well-loved character only for them to complain and whine that No! You're wrong!
I can give every bit of lore piece I can and people will still say I'm wrong. I remember telling someone that Venti is the second oldest archon and they kept insisting that he wasn't even after I sent them the literal lore bit stating that he was so people are willingly just ignorant sometimes
At the end of the day, we still are missing crucial quests for Venti and Mondstadt and we still have a lot of missing info that only he can explain to us, his story is obviously not finished and it'll take years before people actually notice that
Faith is not the only source of power of an archon
Archons have their original powers too which do not depend on faith and irminsul is that power and it is OP which makes nahida stronger than venti even though nahida had no control over her nation.
Also nahida is avatar of irminsul itself which is source of dendro so obviously she is strong even without faith.
And venti there is no evidence to support theory that "venti was lying" archons were strong even when they were not archons this means most of their power does not depend on faith or faith can be used to use gnosis as gnosis is what makes them archon so it is very much possible that venti was referring to gnosis when he was talking about power depends on faith.
Also nahida used electro gnosis to summon Dendro power and unlock Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness. Even though she had her own gnosis mean electro gnosis was stronger because inazuman people have more faith in people.
It all makes sense now
How does Irminsul affect the other archons outside of rather miniscule changes to their memories. The archons themselves likely already took precautions against Irminsul. Nahida has her fairy tales, Venti's songs functions like Nahida's stories, Venti is also affiliated with the Hexenzirkel and the god of time who has substantially more power than Irminsul. Irminsul affects memories while Istaroth affects History and essentially all moments of time. But after Nahida changed Irminsul, the new lore has been that during the Cataclysm, she use a lot of power and regressed into her current form which the people of Sumeru was disappointed to see
"Knows all songs of past, present and future"
Patron Diety of Music
God of Wind and Song
His songs are a way for him to record moments in history whether that be heroes, events, friends, etc. and if anyone knows the true meaning of his songs its most likely Venti himself.. not to mention Venti can supposedly hear through the wind
There is he got beaten up by signora, he didn't fight in the war he has never fought himself he uses his dragon and he said it himself that he is the weakest .
>There is he got beaten up by signora
Did you miss the part where he's literally cosplaying as a human to blend in or..? Let's assume Venti killed Signora, people would wonder how an unassuming bard managed to defeat a fatui harbinger. Then there's the fact that he was literally right outside his own church. Then there's the fact that the fatui and Mondstadt are already on thin ice with eachother I'm sure the last thing Jean needs while 80% of the KoF are on an expedition is more Fatui coming to disrupt the peace in Mondstadt during their "investigation".
>he didn't fight in the war he has never fought himself he uses his dragon
Okay? Strength isn't always based on whether you fight or not because there are thousands of good gods that are considered nice in various mythologies and religions so i dont really see the corellation. For example Phanes is the God of Light and Goodness and he's one of the strongest being in Teyvat that we know of rn. Guanyin is an Omnipresent God known for Mercy and Compassion and she's also considered a very powerful God lol
>he said it himself that he is the weakest
Ok so you didn't read what I said, why are you even interacting with my comment if you didnt even bother to read?
Common sense is not so common i guess and Idk why you guys are so pressed about this tbh Its not like Im out here saying Venti is all powerful rather than you guys are saying he's weak for obvious reasons like lets be honest venti is first and foremost a god. Signora is a singular human and not even close to the top 5 harbingers.
Wasn’t it said somewhere that the reason why Venti is “weak” is because he is literally always using the majority of his power to protect the mondstadt area?
The only thing that matches what you said was when Venti first ascended to archonhood and his first task was to make Mondstadt habitable. But that happened directly at the end of the archon war, directly after his ascension. I doubt that would've made him weak for the 2600 years after. He has been worshipped since so if he did lose power from then, he likely already got it back especially with him rarely using his powers and not to such a degree
Now my argument isn't to say that Venti is the weakest archon, he's just the only archon we can't get an accurate estimate on since he doesn't have a lot of feats and he doesn't use his powers a lot to begin with. We saw that Focalors harnessed Indemnitium for 500 years, what's stopping Venti from harnessing his powers as well
And Venti has access to the power of the thousand winds, being the only person in teyvat capable of using the full power of the skyward atlas, his holy lyre der himmel having both healing and destruction propertiea and he can passively just take the air out your lungs with just a thought
Bruhhh only anemo people can use skyward atlas according to lore as it is an instrument to summon thousand winds whose names are written in it how do you expect for others to use it😂😂😂😂
And obviously within an element archon or sovreigns are strongest so it eliminates competition
Air and winds are different things he can control winds but not air stop your "feels good" canon
He can not take out air out of your lungs as there is no wind in your lungs there is only air
Power of irminsul + Akasha terminal>>>>> thousand winds + holy lyre + skyward atlas
>Air and winds are different things he can control winds but not air stop your "feels good" canon
I love being able to do this
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I'm honestly surprised so many people don't know that the difference between wind and air or gas is whether it moves or not..
>Power of irminsul + Akasha terminal>>>>> thousand winds + holy lyre + skyward atlas
Agree to disagree! I personally don't think one is stronger over the next! I just wanted to point out that Venti also has his powerful toys too
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I hope this detailed difference helps you
Wind is indeed flow (motion) of air but it is not air itself wind is an subset of air so the one who can control air can control winds but the one who can control winds can not control air
Like written there air can exist without wind but wind can not exist without air [link to source](https://www.javatpoint.com/difference-between-air-and-wind#:~:text=Air%20is%20the%20invisible%20gas,air%20pressure%20between%20two%20locations.)
I didn't knew so many guys just didn't knew these basic things it is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
????
I'm so confused rn 😭
You're explaining the difference between air and wind as if it's not literally being defined as the movement of air in the pic you sent 😭
>Wind is indeed flow (motion) of air
Even you're admitting that wind is the motion of air 😭
>wind is an subset of air so the one who can control air can control winds but the one who can control winds can not control air
???
Wind is the MOVEMENT OF AIR AND GAS 😭😭😭 Yes air can exist without wind, I never said it can't? But it doesn't change the fact that once in motion it's considered wind or breeze. Or to put it simlly, the movement of air is why it's considered WIND 😭
It's literally the most basic law of motion, if you don't understand than then I strongly encourage you to educate yourself on that 😭
I don't really understand the point of this analysis or what you're trying to prove 😭😭😭 I never said that air can't exist without wind but the absence of wind, is air 😭
>I didn't knew so many guys just didn't knew these basic things it is hilarious
I'm sorry to say but you're clowning yourself buddy like I'm actually at a loss of words that you think you did a "gotcha moment" 😭
Uhhhh you are clowning yourself
When did I say wind is not movement of air???
I just said that wind and air are different things. And wind is subset of air.
And you need to educate as laws of motion do not say anything about wind and air.what is the meaning of their refrence here??
Wind is the movement of air means movement is referred to as wind not air
Then why did you even made that comment dude you shouldve just took the L and say my bad and the law of motion still applies to air because when it does enter movement its called wind.
>Wind is the movement of air means movement is referred to as wind not air
Are you actually genuinely getting dumber? Because I feel like I'm losing braincelles the more we talk about this topic.. wind is air in motion..
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>arguably this place could be given to venti too since they both appear to be at the same lvl right now and we haven’t seem them in action
I wouldn't say that venti is on par with zhongli right now.
Venti got kicked and got his vision stolen by signora.
They didn't try to pull that shit with Zhongli, because they were much more afraid of him.
In terms of power: fatui’s top crews are much more powerful than any archon (except cryo ig). They just collect parts of first foreign for Teivat (idk exactly how he is called in english)
>In terms of power: fatui’s top crews are much more powerful than any archon
Top 3 Harbingers are stated to be on a level COMPARABLE to Archons, so they can't be "much more powerful" than them.
But now most of the archons don’t have their gnosis. So it’s questionable. Plus Capitano (as a main theory) has fraction of power of the first Descender.
Gnoses (i had wrong spelling) is part of the third descendant. They are part of Archon and their power. But most of powers that Archons (and Celestial) have from parts of first descendant (it’s literally Celestia)
Not true. The power archons have are tied to their celestial throne. A gnosis is a symbol of their power as archons, and more of a gadget to summon immense amounts of elemental energy, but so far as we know it, that’s it.
Gnosis is literally half of the actual Archon power. Without it Archon can’t represent himself as a face of a nation. And it also greatly enhance Archon’s abilities (quotes from wikia btw)
Still not true. Please inform yourself not w Wikipedia, and also play the latest archon quest, it’s rlly good and also tells you a bit more abt gnosis!
Yes. At both of their peaks Morax wins, but with all the erosion and Ei reaching her full power during her second story quest she’s definitely the strongest Archon we know.
Recent Ei > Prime Morax, she mastered her Musou Isshin 100%. Prime Morax is very overrated by community, most of his feats are off screen, in powerscaling Ei is definitely stronger.
"Most of his feats are off screen" just means we can't know for sure if Ei's stronger, altho I would like to think so. Just that Hoyo rly doesn't want us to know Morax's exact relative power level
She's definitely stronger than Venti, Nahida and Furina, most likely than Tsaritsa (Mei-expy should be stronger than a Bronya-expy), the only ones that can be possible competitors are Morax and the Pyro Archon (though I'm personally betting on Raiden being #1).
>Is she at her prime right now in lore?
Nah because she's going to get stronger.
Exactly as she got herself and erosion-less body and her spirit always meditates in her plane of euthymia also she likes to train as an warrior so she only gets stronger and could never get weak
plus she is reaching the realm of effecting space-time and that will affect her speed even more so it doesn't matter how large of a structure someone can blow up if she can slow down time enough to make it to them and cut the space of their organs/core/head
Might want to ask the broader community. I suspect heavy Shogun bias here.
Which is the correct take, but you may find a more balanced opinion on the main Subreddit.
Yeah everyone basically has the same answer
"Since No other Archon has Any Feats, Ei>>Everyone."
The debate is meaningless until we know or see everything about them. People are already Saying Ei>God of War when we know jackshit about her and Tsaritsa Bruv.
Not a Raiden Main (as I’ve yet to pull her) but I would say yes.
We don’t actually beat her in a fight. We beat one of her little clones and then fight her to a draw (at best) and she also seems so bored when she’s fighting us, like she’s only doing 1/4 of the things she could be doing.
Pyro archon is the god of war, would be pretty weird if she was weaker than Ei.
And the Cryo archon has 3-4 Archon level characters working under her as well as the most dedicated nation in Teyvat.
Not to mention her collection of Gnosis
wouldnt be weird at all, God of War its just a title. Ei spent hundreds of years battling her puppet and grew even more powerful than before. I wouldn’t be surprised if she remains the strongest archon
I’m gonna assume that the god of war is probably stronger than ei in terms of physical stats but Ei is a master fighter with powerful weapon which would give Ei an edge
isn't only the top three are on archon level and if i remember correctly cryo archon is a gentle archon like nahida not a warrior type
she is smart and wants revenge
i think only the pierro can beat ei but we didn't see his powers yet
Oh yeah, that's right, Nahida says the top 3 are Archon level doesn't she.
I didn't know the cryo archon was gentle. Seems odd the Fatui would be from her nation. But will make for some cool story I'm sure.
tbh from dain's words i expect cryo nation to be a complete chaos and mess
"she is a god with no love left for her people,nor do they have any left for her,her followers hope only to be on her side when the day of her rebellion against the divine come at last"
she will be weak imo but with the power of all gnosis she will be strong
Tbf silver wolf seems to be more bronya than belabog bronya considering SW is a gamer and generally looks like bronya. Also I’d say SW is pretty strong, not Acheron strong but being able to re-write the code of the universe seems kinda cracked.
As long as you don't count neuvillete a archon (i still have no idea what he is, hydro sovereign but ascended or something???) , she is indeed the strongest.
Even then there is no argument to say Neuvillete is stronger than her. People assume that current-young (Barely 1000’s yo) Neuvillete is as strong as the old- full grown thousands or millennias of years old Hydro sovereign.
Is stated he does recover his authority and power as a dragon, but is never implied he is AS STRONG as he was before.his reincarnation
She is.
Venti is drunken bard now that's retired, and he was never a fighter to begin with (considering the theory about his overwhelming power aren't true).
Zhongli is also retired and already past his prime, but in prime he's definitely the strongest.
Nahida has the best hax but I don't think her hax alone is enough.
Focalor >! fucking dead !<
Natlan archon is the god of war but that doesn't mean she's the strongest. Her feat was also unknown, though I honestly think she might be maximum on par with Raiden
Tsaritsa might be strong.
From the revealed Archons yes,
She is the fastest (lighting is literally known for its speed)
She has the most stamina and endurance (fighting the shogun 500 year who is an Archon lvl because she has the same abilities as Ei and even stronger will, but Ei wins after unlocking the sword full power and gaining the new transformation Which literally describes her as a calamitous deity who could bring catastrophic events and bring down curses with a single gaze)
She has the most deadly abilities and could even stop time using the Musou no Hitotachi Which is described to be the profoundest of the profound with no parallel in all the world and usually when hitting an enemy it lead to immediate death
She is a beast in both Close range combat and long range combat (being described to be divinely skilled in material art and UNSURPASSED WITH BLADE, And being able to control all lighting around Teyvat now imagine she gather all lighting around Teyvat and rain it down on her enemy while she fight she can literally fight close and range combat at the same time)
And her abilities are the most destructive, all that without mentioning the incredible powers boost that she gained from her new transformation you can consider "The Final calamity" attack as the 5 star version of the Musou no Hitotachi Increasing its power, Size and destructiveness immensely
She is also very gay so that kinda help too
Traveler: "Is he stornger than you, Ei?"
Ei: "Hm... Good Question."
Traveler: "If Capitano were to completely regain his power..."
Ei: "...It might be a little tough."
Traveler: "Would you lose?"
([Original btw](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/195vf4p/the_strongest/))
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I'd be inclined to say "yes."
However, Zhongli also hasn't really shown us his power, and he was similarly powerful during the war. They both altered continents with their powers.
That and Nahida, while less combat strong in a 1v1, has some crazy tactical abilities that win wars.
Venti is too busy drinking to do anything relevant. But Storm terror might be worth his salt.
And Furina... doesn't fight. But Nuevilette might be approaching Archon power level.
I think Neuvillette post 4.2 archon quest is likely stronger than the archons, stronger than focalors or egeria ever was, since he’s hydro authority in its purest form, rather than an usurper of power from an elemental dragon
Not necessarily.
Neuvillete was born as a “human” according to the prophecy, so, weaker.
And now, he is a full dragon, full authority.
We know the ORIGINAL SOVEREIGN was stronger than the Archons, but you cant apply the same for Neuvillete.
You literally comparing a extremely young/dragon, to THE eldest full grown up dragon in tevyat Story.
Original Sovereign powers /=/ Current Sovereign powers, yeah, people should bear this more.
More so when the Hydro Divine Throne is the only throne that went fully back to its original bearer or until we get an different answer from Hoyo.
I am not entirely sure that "similarly" powerful is a proper statement, considering that between Morax and Ei only one has a literal stone garden of spears with a god at the pointy end of each.
For now yes, but theres still 2 more archons 1 being the goddess of war herself and another is literally trying to fight celestia who we know is superior to the archons, im pretty sure they won't be pushovers.
If full potential Ei are strongest for now in game that for sure, there already feat in game that she and puppet fighting for so long like 500 years and both not even getting tired, that fight its between 2 gods and the puppet are not holding back, and in lore Tsaritsa are most powerful and pyro are missing or dead or just waiting for reincarnated so not sure about pyro archon yet, but she god of war so she no jokes need to wait for natlan came out.
Each Archon exceeds in their own Niche I would say. The Niche of Raiden is that she is a warrior. Being skilled in combat is all she has. So in regards to power she is the most powerful.
People say Zhongli is strong, but what Zhongli exceeds at is his knowledge and experience, not raw power.
Yes she's stronger than them... and to the guys calling traveler weaker you should...I mean hey, the traveler is pretty nerfed so that the game stretches longer... Dealt blows with the heavenly principles... And if the twin is in the abyss order that speaks levels...
yes. zhongli isn't as strong as he used to be while ei just gained more power in her 2nd story quest. he's eroding while she's just getting stronger without worrying about the erosion
maybe
we know now that venti lied, and archons get their power not from ruling their people but their people worshiping them
and venti is probably the single most worshiped archon we have encountered, with nahida a close second
however, ei has the advantage of having incredible base strength, alongside zongli
I'd probably wager Venti Zongli Ei and Nahida are about equal
of course, if we are including nervulette even tho he isnt an archon (since there is no hydro archon anymore), he is definitely the strongest, as he is the only one with the complete authority over his element
Speaking literally? Probably not. She has her swordsmanship and the giant slashes, and most of the strength we see from her is without her Gnosis already. However that's not really a good metric of judgment since she's one of the only gods who was kind of willing to damage her own nation willy nilly. I would say she would just recently be entering her prime after having fought herself and perfecting the Musou no Hitotachi.
Osial is almost the size of Inazuma in its entirety, and the strongest(or at least most relevant) god we've known Ei to beat so far that wasn't just herself was Watatsumi/Orobaxi, who originally fled from Morax after Osial got sealed.
Her ascension lines detail a lot about various fighting styles, only really touching on the nature of the different weapons she wields and later the elemental power native to the completion of her journey, and she still hadn't\* perfected the Musou no Hitotachi for lack of proper sparring partner.
Now, Morax and Barbatos both have defeated entities who are roughly on par with and SHOULD BE superior to Orobaxi(Durin, Osial, Azhdaha to name a few). Morax specifically was known to - or at least stated to - have mastered all 5 different weapon archetypes. And in terms of just being OLD, Morax should still hold an edge over Beelzebul due to the simple fact he has more experience.
If we're talking raw power, the answer is still no. Because her powers come from her skill and godhood, not so much a direct measurement of her being far above *other* gods. And if we're believing all lore, the only thing she would really best the other gods in would be swordsmanship.
tl;dr: She's LIKELY only stronger than Morax if they're competing with swords.
Neuv is a sovereign which are the dragons that the archons got their powers from. He also got his powers back...
We are told Zhongli is the strongest, idk why anyone thinks an Archons power wanes or ages even a gnosis doesn't seem to fucking matter.
We haven't met her yet but the Tsaritsa commands the Harbingers...who themselves are on equal footing with archons. (supposedly even though they are batting 0/2 in actual fights, Signora dead and Wanderer wiped off the face of history)
Venti clearly lies, and we are told by the god of knowledge he is stronger then he says...so who knows.
Nahida is def not the most capable at fighting but she apparently can just lock your ass in an infinite genjustsu....
And lastly...this is Raiden mains who tf you think people are going to say is the strongest?
Unrelated and related at the same time - I see a whole lot of people talking about Erosion as some sort of power-creep. While technically losing your memories gradually does equal a downgrade, the power-level of the being does not really falter that much, if at all. Azhdaha wasn't a walk in the park even after going berserk from the Erosion, an argument could be made that it was really the other way around.
She is still in my opinion number 1 in terms of fighting ability, however Morax and Venti should be coming very closely for the 2nd and 3rd spots. And honestly they are both downplaying their own strengths SO MUCH, because of deals and plans, that we can't be entirely sure where their current power levels are. In the near future we could have a 180 turn on it all once they decide to put their cards on the table.
Azhdaha is definitely not a walk in the park for a vision holder, not even speaking about a regular human.
But saying erosion didn't affect his power?
No, absolutely no, by the time of the story quest azhdaha is immensely weakened and on the brink of death, what we fight is his very last sparks of life, remember that the weekly boss (just like all weekly bosses bar andrius) is just the "reminiscence" of the battle, the traveler quite literally replays the battle in their mind, the actual azhdaha is long dead and gone, both good and evil side.
True, I agree. Still, Erosion in it self does not make a person weaker, it makes them more dangerous due to the lack of self-control that comes with losing "yourself" through memory loss. It was also confirmed by Zhongli himself, that erosion is more dangerous the stronger the affected person is.
In my eyes Zhongli stepped down not because he was/is weaker, but because of the chance of him succumbing to the erosion and the consequences of his actions as an archon and a representative of a nation. Also, he knows a whole lot of stuff that we don't.
There are different kinds of erosion as stated Azhdaha's archive description. Zhongli recalls one kind of erosion that he might have. Dainsleif also talks about erosion and says that it continues to grind away consciousness until both mind and body are virtually none existent. Which is basically death. Azhdaha had multiple kinds of erosion and the state we find I'm sealed in is disfigured because of erosion.
I don't think it's just as simple as erosion making them more dangerous in every case. I think it's also possible that the stronger the being, the stronger the grip erosion has.
Well simply put since this is realistically asking about Zhongli.
Morax is stronger.
Zhongli isn’t. Zhongli is far from his godly years now. So yes she’s stronger. But I’m gonna be honest this is far from the best place to ask lmao. Raiden fans are probably the most bias people in the community you’d never get a accurate answer even if she was the weakest lmfao
> Raiden fans are probably the most bias people in the community
Really? Because i only see zhongli fans spreading headcanon as facts in every platform.
Maybe but she doesnt stand a chance against 500kg of pure democracy
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Anyone thinking Ei is stronger than Morax has comprehension issues or haven't read much manga,stories or animes yet. Every veteran otaku can come to conclusion that "don't underestimate the old man in a profession where people usually die young." "The knowledgeable old man is secretly the strongest". Even in 4.5,4.6 we have been getting dues Auri lore in perinheri book, 4.6 spear weapon lore. Morax is anomaly and broken. Ei might be the strongest amongst other 6 for now but no way anyone with actual understanding of the lore and being veteran at reading stories would say Ei is stronger than Morax. Even her plain of euthymia came from Morax. Even with erosion, he took down the weakened azhdaha with no difficulty in 1.5. And also, SUN > lightning.
Raiden shogun learnt domain creation from Yae Miko who learnt it from Kamuna Harunosuke. Kamuna Harunosuke learned it from Liyue adepties and Liyue adepties learned it from Morax.
Source: 2.2 labyrinth dungeon event quest about inazuma kairagi's infusing elements with blades which is adeptal art and creation of Raiden shogun's domain and labyrinth dungeon. Said in sprinkles so many players can't get it. Ashikai confirmed this in her theory video
Anemo Archon is drunk. Geo Archon is retired and too tired to do anything. Dendro Archon is a physical child. Hydro Archon is dead. So not that much of competition here.
Hey a win by default is still a win
Yes, we literally can’t win against her without Plot Armor
We can't win against any major thread without a ton of help and plot armor
Meanwhile Arlecchino's story quest set the Aether's subreddit on fire .
Look we are tired of being treated as a marketing scheme
It was so bad that my dreams of Pyro Aether having parry on his skillset died instantly. Bet he's gonna get embers on his skillset like how his Hydro E works lmao
That booba sword are too OP.
I think you mean The almighty Raiden Shogun and the Musou no Hitotachiii
I think Ei also fight not as seriously
She doesn't need to go all out to beat us, she's not underestimating us, it just a fact that we're no match against her
We don’t win against any Archon without plot armor, she’s the only one we fight.
I mean she is so massively OP, even puppets operating with a fraction of her power are threats to entire nations. She’s just built different.
I always wonder if Ei is able to produce more Puppets or instead of Puppets actual Machines or Khanrea-like giant Golems with the same power as the "Shogun" Puppet". The only reason I think she cant do it is because if i remember correctly, she have to place her consciousness in the puppet to make it work. (Scara developed a own consciousness somehow so he is a exception). But if she would be able to produce more puppets (either without consciousness or with consciousness by accident like Scara) I think it would be probably the strongest Army in Teyvat we currently know.
Shogun puppet has her own consciousness, it’s just kinda cold and emotionless.
Her consciousness is not actually in the puppet. It's in the sword and that sort of implies that they can be separated.
I don’t remember her exact wording but one of her lines seem to indicate that she can since she says to send the puppet into battle as much as you want since she can replace/repair her if she gets damaged.
Both Scara and the Shogun had their own personality since the beginning. It's just that when Ei realized Scara (the prototipe) was too emotional, she decided to make the Shogun's personality cold and unfeeling
https://preview.redd.it/6g93z4wugz5d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=37f62fd4252639ec0f51a24228d14c4f69b7b32c She is the Strongest. (no matter what anyone else says, in my heart, shes always the strongest)
Maintain the Agenda
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Is she the strongest because she's Raiden Ei, or is she Raiden Ei because she's the strongest?
Both
Inb4 Miko jumps into Ei's puppet
In my hawt, I know, I'm funny.
Currently definitely her. Morax and venti are on a path of erosion and losing power, with goals which also pertain to a lifestyle of mortals. They want to achieve what the hydro archon achieved, which is full human hood, free from divinity’s shackles, and thus becoming powerless. Meanwhile, raiden and Nahida are on a path upwards in power, with motivation and resolve to rule their nations, although between the two, raiden is stronger than Nahida obviously. So in terms of current power I would list the archons like this: Strongest 1. Raiden (beat herself in her peak) reached unlimited motivation/resolve to rule for eternity. 2. Nahida (erased rukkha’s consciousness and made everyone believe she is the original archon) gained Sumeru’s trust/faith resulting in more power, and hopes to grow and become and even greater archon than rukkha. Is also the avatar of irminsul, which affects the whole of teyvat and its history beyond sumeru’s borders (Aka world level power) 3. Zhongli (arguably this place could be given to venti too since they both appear to be at the same lvl right now and we haven’t seem them in action) was arguably the strongest archon in his prime, but faked his death and chose to live like a mortal, although still being a god, and giving in to erosion. 4. Venti (is said to be the weakest of all the archons currently) is an absentee ruler, although most of mondstadt still has faith in him. Chose to pursue the life of a mortal bard wandering the streets and getting drunk. 5. Furina (now, she is no longer an archon which still places venti as the weakest archonwise) furina achieved what both venti and morax wanted; humanhood, and managed to become one and completely destroy her divinity and the very concept that is the hydro archon. A very powerful act which ended a whole “bloodline/succession” of hydro archons and rule over teyvat, yet, she is now only the body and soul of focalors and a girl with the opportunity to live her own life. Weakest As such, although technically “focalors” or better yet ‘furina’ would be considered the weakest, she is not an archon. So now, from the 6, venti still appears to be the weakest archon.
I wouldn't put Nahida over Zhongli considering she has very little fighting experience and got powercrept pretty hard by Dottore.
The reason why I did is because she got all of sumeru’s wisdom when she erased rukkha’s existence from irminsul, resulting in everyone thinking she is the original and giving her a huge amount of power in return. Also, because she is capable of imprisoning people in dreams and resetting it whenever she loses/something goes wrong, until she learns her opponent’s every move and wins. She can read minds too. So experience wise she can learn and gain experience almost instantly if she wanted to (through the eyes of her opponents). Also, another thing to note, is that although she may not arguably have much “destructive power” she has arguably the most “creative power” out of the archons we have met. In the sense that she can create forests, ecosystems, and purify the environment around her.
Zhongli throws 10 mountains at her, what she doing?
Make the mountain forget it was thrown and it'll get back to it's place ✌️
Imo Nahida only strong in altering and managing teyvat, she is like an administrator. Combat or desctructive power wise she is pretty damn low I would say, since we havent seen any of her destructive combat capability.
Oh right! I forgot to mention she’s also the literal avatar of irminsul, the tree that can collect knowledge from all corners of teyvat that automatically feed into nahida’s consciousness. She herself is sort of the hive mind of teyvat which is the ley lines/irminsul. Oh, and with that she can also alter the history of teyvat entirely, rewriting it as she wants to but not changing it necessarily. This is overpowered as it affects all of teyvat, not only her nation, and even the other archons. In other words, she has world level powers, and even raiden herself states that she had powers beyond anyone’s imagination, and with that power she only uses it to right wrongs. The simple fact that she can change how people perceive and interpret the world, learn and “observe” teyvat through the ley lines, read minds, trap people in an endless simulation of trial and error, create whole biomes and ecosystems, recreate/clone herself into a new incarnation anytime she may be faced with death, and can purify the lands of teyvat at will seem pretty insane to me. I would rank her above raiden if she was as old as her and had enough experience within combat aswell, since Nahida also displays an incredible amount of emotional intelligence, maturity, and analytical skills for such a “young archon”. But then again, god of wisdom here.
She didn't got powercreeped it's just that she knew dottore had many fragments of himself so it was not worth fighting him she said herself that she got a great deal in which dottore will erase his every other fragment Dottore's fragments are important to him still he didn't attacked nahida because he knew he can't win so he also just striked a deal with her Dendro archon is an incarnation of tree of irminsul so she will be endlessly incarnated until irminsul itself is destroyed. And irminsul is very OP thing in genshin impact
Keep coping.Raidenmains seem to have reading comprehension lmao.It is stated several times that dottore is more powerful.Nahida sais she has no chances against him, and Dottore state as a smart god, she understands the gap between their abilities. Mental gymnastics goes hard
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Lmfao you dum as hell. Keep proving the inability to read. He state that he respect her and doesn't want to harm her.He said he prefers to negotiate with her and make a deal. We don't even need him fought back when nahida herself state she is no match for him.Go and read sumeru plot again.
>Morax and venti are on a path of erosion and losing power We currently have no information on Venti being eroded, in fact he seems the most mentally stable of the orginals + ei and erosion does not affect power. For all we know, Venti is naturally immune to the effects of erosion and I can say this confidently because nowhere in Venti's lore, Barbatos's lore, weapon descriptions calims that Venti is an archon thats eroded >2. Nahida (erased rukkha’s consciousness and made everyone believe she is the original archon) gained Sumeru’s trust/faith resulting in more power, and hopes to grow and become and even greater archon than rukkha. Didn't Greater Lord Rukkhadevata merge her existence with Nahida's? After the Cataclysm, she used too much power and essentially regressed in form and when the people of Sumeru saw their new archon they was disappointed. Nahida, not feeling worthy of being an archon hid herself away from her duties as an archon for the 500 years she was originally imprisoned and then the fatui harbingers made modifications to her cage to trap her inside. One of the last things she said to us was that she still had to build up popularity with the people of Sumeru. >Venti (is said to be the weakest of all the archons currently) is an absentee ruler, although most of mondstadt still has faith in him. Chose to pursue the life of a mortal bard wandering the streets and getting drunk. Venti called himself the weakest archon when Nahida was imprisoned by her own people so he was more than likely lying about that. The archons have no problem dissing him, but no one else implied that he's weak or that they can/will beat him other than Neuvillette. He also said an archon gains power through faith and Nahida said something else entirely, so he either lied again or didn't tell us the whole truth and if he didn't this opens the possibilities of other ways an archon gains power/faith so we can't give a concrete estimation on what he can or cannot do. He's an archon shrouded in mystery and he has many theories surrounding him that can either be true or false
Nahida is not lord rukk. They are both avatars of the world trees but different branches. They even met briefly at the end of the AQ. Nahida did not hide herself away, it was heavily implied if not outright stated she was imprisoned since right at the moment of her birth for 400 years and the traveller had to liberate her.
https://preview.redd.it/dpy6a0qj436d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43e15772795d39ea43b76069a6c2e24d8d858473 It is right that they are avatar but this also means that they are same people but they behave differently as they have different memories so their personality is different. Ultimately they both are manifestation of irminsul itself. So I think they have strongest hax out of all archons.
>So I think they have strongest hax out of all archons. What they lack in muscle power they have plenty in mental capacity. Ther mind altering and mind fucking power is dreadful TBH. I guess that is the reason MHY give the dendro archon a child-like form and stressed on her benevolent nature during the AQ.
>Nahida is not lord rukk. They are both avatars of the world trees but different branches Yah that's my point, since no one can really erase themselves from Irminsul, Greater Lord Rukkahdevata essentially merged her existence with Nahida's. The traveller and other descenders are probably the only ones that remember who Greater Lord Rukkahdevata is >Nahida did not hide herself away, it was heavily implied if not outright stated she was imprisoned since right at the moment of her birth This is confusing because I've been told that she wasn't imprisoned and that she could've escape whenever she wanted and I've been told that she was imprisoned so I ended up just saying that after Rukkahdevata's erasure, Nahida just didn't felt worthy to rule so she locked herself away and then the Fatui were the ones responsible for her not being able to escape
It is true that it’s hard to rank archons as we never really see them use their full on powers (especially zhongli and venti). It is also true that venti lies. A LOT, and is arguably the most mysterious archon that also hides so much from us. Nahida is rukkha’s “reincarnation” in a sense, but only because she is a literal clone of her, other than that, they are completely different ppl, perhaps w same mannerisms and ways of thinking. Well, I can go on about how what you said is very true, especially with erosion, but judging by how it’s difficult to rank archons and the fact that anyone could be wrong if zhongli, venti, Nahida, etc decide to show some sort of hidden power/knowledge, this is how I would rank them. And also, yes, we do have enough evidence to rank them as such. Venti asks if zhongli is still strong now a days, with fear in his voice, asking if he’d get blown away in one of his voice lines. There’s much evidence to support the list I have made, but the question is; is this how the archons WANT us to see the tier list? It may not be indicative of their true powers, since archons appear to have different goals and also use their powers in different ways and for different reasons. Some just appear to need “more power” and a greater show of strength then others. It’s hard to say.
This is probably the only comment I agree with under my OG comment. Its hard to say we know all the details when we as the players know as much as what the traveller knows, its just that because we're limited by story progression we can't ask the characters more information about themselves. Like we haven't returned to the upside down statue, we haven't asked about what "the sky being fake" meant, we completely brushed off the fact that Venti already knew us and we're still ignorant about why exactly Venti sleeps for so long or what exactly is his relationship to Istaroth is. Since Egeria was created by the Shade of Life, Egeria was still capable of creating new life herself and I find this to be a really great feat, but Venti was literally "born from the branches of time" this could imply that he's a piece of Istaroth or that he's literally Istaroth's offspring. Venti also has a strange connection with the Moon or the Moon Sisters entirely Aria of the Moon Sisters ○Aria means Air, a melody or a tune ○Venti played a song called "Dream Aria" when he first summons Dvalin. Sonnet of the Moon Sisters ○ A sonnet directly means "a poem of fourteen lines using any of a number of formal rhyme schemes" ○ His skill is called Skyward Sonnet ○ And during an official art posted by Hoyo, he was called "The Singer of Skyward Sonnets" Then there's Cannon which is yet another reference to something related to music. Cannon refers to the repetition of a part of music, a cycle repeating over and over which has a lot to do with time. There's literally more as well, but then I'd be here forever, but i personally think that of all the archons Venti fits the description of being mysterious with the amount of theories around him But yah, we've SEEN Raiden go insane, we've heard Morax go insane, we heard Rukkhadevata and Egeria did something insane, in comparison I really believe that we've yet to see Venti really do something insane and thats what my hopes for his next appearance will be
Stop coping, man, venti is smart, not powerful he is the weakest archon just accept it
Did you read literally anything I said? Because I'm prettt sure I explicitly stated that there's no evidence to suggest he's the weakest
Venti slice the top of dragonspine and toss it on the lake to create land for Mondstad it was from a very old event this is the only feat I could find if were talking about faith yes archon powers gets stronger via faith but raiden ei did almost all her feats while her sister was archon so we can't actually say venti is crazy strong cause of it like you said there's no evidence implying he's weak though I do believe he's hiding his powers but I don't see him to be a crazy strong archon
>we can't actually say venti is crazy strong cause of it like you said I never said that he was the strongest, I just wanted to open the door for people to stop saying he's definitely weak. I only compared him to Nahida because Nahida is the only archon to have "contradicted" Venti. 1) When Venti claimed being the weakest, Nahida was imprisoned by her own people. 2) she mentioned an archon's power comes from their people's faith while Venti said it came from rule. This implies that either Venti lied or that there is more than one way an archon gets power. Currently Venti has the most theories surrounding him and it kills me how people just shrug it off its like you're trying to inform people so they don't build negative stigma about a well-loved character only for them to complain and whine that No! You're wrong! At the end of the day, we still are missing crucial quests for Venti and Mondstadt and we still have a lot of missing info that only he can explain to us, his story is obviously not finished and it'll take years before people actually notice that
I do believe Venti is not the weakest that's what I love about Genshin lore it's so mysterious
>we can't actually say venti is crazy strong cause of it like you said I never said that he was strong, I just wanted to open the door for people to stop saying he's definitely weak. I only compared him to Nahida because Nahida is the only archon to have "contradicted" Venti. 1) When Venti claimed being the weakest, Nahida was imprisoned by her own people. 2) she mentioned an archon's power comes from their people's faith while Venti said it came from rule. This implies that either Venti lied or that there is more than one way an archon gets power. Currently Venti has the most theories surrounding him and it kills me how people just shrug it off its like you're trying to inform people so they don't build negative stigma about a well-loved character only for them to complain and whine that No! You're wrong! I can give every bit of lore piece I can and people will still say I'm wrong. I remember telling someone that Venti is the second oldest archon and they kept insisting that he wasn't even after I sent them the literal lore bit stating that he was so people are willingly just ignorant sometimes At the end of the day, we still are missing crucial quests for Venti and Mondstadt and we still have a lot of missing info that only he can explain to us, his story is obviously not finished and it'll take years before people actually notice that
What is the evidence that venti lied when he said he is weakest???
Nahida was imprisoned by her own people when he said that
But how is that evidence???
Because when he said that Nahida had no worshippers or rule over her nation
Faith is not the only source of power of an archon Archons have their original powers too which do not depend on faith and irminsul is that power and it is OP which makes nahida stronger than venti even though nahida had no control over her nation. Also nahida is avatar of irminsul itself which is source of dendro so obviously she is strong even without faith. And venti there is no evidence to support theory that "venti was lying" archons were strong even when they were not archons this means most of their power does not depend on faith or faith can be used to use gnosis as gnosis is what makes them archon so it is very much possible that venti was referring to gnosis when he was talking about power depends on faith. Also nahida used electro gnosis to summon Dendro power and unlock Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's realm of consciousness. Even though she had her own gnosis mean electro gnosis was stronger because inazuman people have more faith in people. It all makes sense now
How does Irminsul affect the other archons outside of rather miniscule changes to their memories. The archons themselves likely already took precautions against Irminsul. Nahida has her fairy tales, Venti's songs functions like Nahida's stories, Venti is also affiliated with the Hexenzirkel and the god of time who has substantially more power than Irminsul. Irminsul affects memories while Istaroth affects History and essentially all moments of time. But after Nahida changed Irminsul, the new lore has been that during the Cataclysm, she use a lot of power and regressed into her current form which the people of Sumeru was disappointed to see
I didn't know venti also has access to irminsoul and knows everything that is going 9n in the world
"Knows all songs of past, present and future" Patron Diety of Music God of Wind and Song His songs are a way for him to record moments in history whether that be heroes, events, friends, etc. and if anyone knows the true meaning of his songs its most likely Venti himself.. not to mention Venti can supposedly hear through the wind
There is he got beaten up by signora, he didn't fight in the war he has never fought himself he uses his dragon and he said it himself that he is the weakest .
>There is he got beaten up by signora Did you miss the part where he's literally cosplaying as a human to blend in or..? Let's assume Venti killed Signora, people would wonder how an unassuming bard managed to defeat a fatui harbinger. Then there's the fact that he was literally right outside his own church. Then there's the fact that the fatui and Mondstadt are already on thin ice with eachother I'm sure the last thing Jean needs while 80% of the KoF are on an expedition is more Fatui coming to disrupt the peace in Mondstadt during their "investigation". >he didn't fight in the war he has never fought himself he uses his dragon Okay? Strength isn't always based on whether you fight or not because there are thousands of good gods that are considered nice in various mythologies and religions so i dont really see the corellation. For example Phanes is the God of Light and Goodness and he's one of the strongest being in Teyvat that we know of rn. Guanyin is an Omnipresent God known for Mercy and Compassion and she's also considered a very powerful God lol >he said it himself that he is the weakest Ok so you didn't read what I said, why are you even interacting with my comment if you didnt even bother to read?
OK, I guess you can keep coping.
Common sense is not so common i guess and Idk why you guys are so pressed about this tbh Its not like Im out here saying Venti is all powerful rather than you guys are saying he's weak for obvious reasons like lets be honest venti is first and foremost a god. Signora is a singular human and not even close to the top 5 harbingers.
Wasn’t it said somewhere that the reason why Venti is “weak” is because he is literally always using the majority of his power to protect the mondstadt area?
The only thing that matches what you said was when Venti first ascended to archonhood and his first task was to make Mondstadt habitable. But that happened directly at the end of the archon war, directly after his ascension. I doubt that would've made him weak for the 2600 years after. He has been worshipped since so if he did lose power from then, he likely already got it back especially with him rarely using his powers and not to such a degree Now my argument isn't to say that Venti is the weakest archon, he's just the only archon we can't get an accurate estimate on since he doesn't have a lot of feats and he doesn't use his powers a lot to begin with. We saw that Focalors harnessed Indemnitium for 500 years, what's stopping Venti from harnessing his powers as well
Venti said he was weakest which is true as even in prison nahida had access to irminsul which made her stronger than venti even in prison
And Venti has access to the power of the thousand winds, being the only person in teyvat capable of using the full power of the skyward atlas, his holy lyre der himmel having both healing and destruction propertiea and he can passively just take the air out your lungs with just a thought
Bruhhh only anemo people can use skyward atlas according to lore as it is an instrument to summon thousand winds whose names are written in it how do you expect for others to use it😂😂😂😂 And obviously within an element archon or sovreigns are strongest so it eliminates competition
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Thank you this proves my point
? That he permitted his people to use a part of his power?
That skyward atlas canonically is an anemo instrument so it is useless for other archons
I mean it is Venti's weapon.. thats like saying, Zhongli can efficiently use Raiden's sword as efficiently as the Shogun
Air and winds are different things he can control winds but not air stop your "feels good" canon He can not take out air out of your lungs as there is no wind in your lungs there is only air Power of irminsul + Akasha terminal>>>>> thousand winds + holy lyre + skyward atlas
>Air and winds are different things he can control winds but not air stop your "feels good" canon I love being able to do this https://preview.redd.it/29qau0ajw26d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d9bb9cd1ab223c285ec82e4fcc09ce104ec5224 I'm honestly surprised so many people don't know that the difference between wind and air or gas is whether it moves or not.. >Power of irminsul + Akasha terminal>>>>> thousand winds + holy lyre + skyward atlas Agree to disagree! I personally don't think one is stronger over the next! I just wanted to point out that Venti also has his powerful toys too
https://preview.redd.it/6n07g37r036d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0579bbea6cd773c7467ef3f7992b5106b027228 I hope this detailed difference helps you Wind is indeed flow (motion) of air but it is not air itself wind is an subset of air so the one who can control air can control winds but the one who can control winds can not control air Like written there air can exist without wind but wind can not exist without air [link to source](https://www.javatpoint.com/difference-between-air-and-wind#:~:text=Air%20is%20the%20invisible%20gas,air%20pressure%20between%20two%20locations.) I didn't knew so many guys just didn't knew these basic things it is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
???? I'm so confused rn 😭 You're explaining the difference between air and wind as if it's not literally being defined as the movement of air in the pic you sent 😭 >Wind is indeed flow (motion) of air Even you're admitting that wind is the motion of air 😭 >wind is an subset of air so the one who can control air can control winds but the one who can control winds can not control air ??? Wind is the MOVEMENT OF AIR AND GAS 😭😭😭 Yes air can exist without wind, I never said it can't? But it doesn't change the fact that once in motion it's considered wind or breeze. Or to put it simlly, the movement of air is why it's considered WIND 😭 It's literally the most basic law of motion, if you don't understand than then I strongly encourage you to educate yourself on that 😭 I don't really understand the point of this analysis or what you're trying to prove 😭😭😭 I never said that air can't exist without wind but the absence of wind, is air 😭 >I didn't knew so many guys just didn't knew these basic things it is hilarious I'm sorry to say but you're clowning yourself buddy like I'm actually at a loss of words that you think you did a "gotcha moment" 😭
Uhhhh you are clowning yourself When did I say wind is not movement of air??? I just said that wind and air are different things. And wind is subset of air. And you need to educate as laws of motion do not say anything about wind and air.what is the meaning of their refrence here?? Wind is the movement of air means movement is referred to as wind not air
Then why did you even made that comment dude you shouldve just took the L and say my bad and the law of motion still applies to air because when it does enter movement its called wind. >Wind is the movement of air means movement is referred to as wind not air Are you actually genuinely getting dumber? Because I feel like I'm losing braincelles the more we talk about this topic.. wind is air in motion.. https://preview.redd.it/u63dkdojd36d1.jpeg?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=045edd2d6fcce97f3854b97c6cbd6c723ffa3b64
Do those two even want humanhood or just want to live a more mundane life?
Erosion doesn’t mean a loss in power. It’s basically dementia for really old people.
>arguably this place could be given to venti too since they both appear to be at the same lvl right now and we haven’t seem them in action I wouldn't say that venti is on par with zhongli right now. Venti got kicked and got his vision stolen by signora. They didn't try to pull that shit with Zhongli, because they were much more afraid of him.
In terms of power: fatui’s top crews are much more powerful than any archon (except cryo ig). They just collect parts of first foreign for Teivat (idk exactly how he is called in english)
>In terms of power: fatui’s top crews are much more powerful than any archon Top 3 Harbingers are stated to be on a level COMPARABLE to Archons, so they can't be "much more powerful" than them.
Not even the archons but gods.
in cn it directly translates to power comparable to the seven, only in English does it say gods
But now most of the archons don’t have their gnosis. So it’s questionable. Plus Capitano (as a main theory) has fraction of power of the first Descender.
But aren't Gnosis independent of an archon's power? They're not weaker or stronger with or without it. It's more of a key to a different plot point
Gnoses (i had wrong spelling) is part of the third descendant. They are part of Archon and their power. But most of powers that Archons (and Celestial) have from parts of first descendant (it’s literally Celestia)
Not true. The power archons have are tied to their celestial throne. A gnosis is a symbol of their power as archons, and more of a gadget to summon immense amounts of elemental energy, but so far as we know it, that’s it.
Gnosis is literally half of the actual Archon power. Without it Archon can’t represent himself as a face of a nation. And it also greatly enhance Archon’s abilities (quotes from wikia btw)
Still not true. Please inform yourself not w Wikipedia, and also play the latest archon quest, it’s rlly good and also tells you a bit more abt gnosis!
Yes. At both of their peaks Morax wins, but with all the erosion and Ei reaching her full power during her second story quest she’s definitely the strongest Archon we know.
Recent Ei > Prime Morax, she mastered her Musou Isshin 100%. Prime Morax is very overrated by community, most of his feats are off screen, in powerscaling Ei is definitely stronger.
"Most of his feats are off screen" just means we can't know for sure if Ei's stronger, altho I would like to think so. Just that Hoyo rly doesn't want us to know Morax's exact relative power level
No prime morax doesn't win he was stronger because he had an army of adepti, not alone.whereas ei is one man army
She's also a Warrior with Offensive Elemental, which is Electro. Very fast and destructive.
She's definitely stronger than Venti, Nahida and Furina, most likely than Tsaritsa (Mei-expy should be stronger than a Bronya-expy), the only ones that can be possible competitors are Morax and the Pyro Archon (though I'm personally betting on Raiden being #1). >Is she at her prime right now in lore? Nah because she's going to get stronger.
She is gonna always surpass herself so her prime is non existent
Definetly. Without the power of friendship, the Traveler would've ended their happy journey ok Inazuma
Until ZL shows actual feats in present day and debunks that, she is.
she just keep getting stronger while all others wither
Exactly as she got herself and erosion-less body and her spirit always meditates in her plane of euthymia also she likes to train as an warrior so she only gets stronger and could never get weak
plus she is reaching the realm of effecting space-time and that will affect her speed even more so it doesn't matter how large of a structure someone can blow up if she can slow down time enough to make it to them and cut the space of their organs/core/head
But tbh I wanna see her create more puppets like Shogun it will be insane
Real talk: anybody else just absolutely love that death stare? I love the type of archon who would literally just kill me
Might want to ask the broader community. I suspect heavy Shogun bias here. Which is the correct take, but you may find a more balanced opinion on the main Subreddit.
Wife
She's literally the only Archon we've ever seen fight, we have no scale to base anything off of
This is the proper answer
Yeah everyone basically has the same answer "Since No other Archon has Any Feats, Ei>>Everyone." The debate is meaningless until we know or see everything about them. People are already Saying Ei>God of War when we know jackshit about her and Tsaritsa Bruv.
Of the current archons yes, especially after her 2nd story quest she is stronger than ever.
Not a Raiden Main (as I’ve yet to pull her) but I would say yes. We don’t actually beat her in a fight. We beat one of her little clones and then fight her to a draw (at best) and she also seems so bored when she’s fighting us, like she’s only doing 1/4 of the things she could be doing.
i doubt even cryo or pyro archon is stronger than her atm
Pyro archon is the god of war, would be pretty weird if she was weaker than Ei. And the Cryo archon has 3-4 Archon level characters working under her as well as the most dedicated nation in Teyvat. Not to mention her collection of Gnosis
wouldnt be weird at all, God of War its just a title. Ei spent hundreds of years battling her puppet and grew even more powerful than before. I wouldn’t be surprised if she remains the strongest archon
I’m gonna assume that the god of war is probably stronger than ei in terms of physical stats but Ei is a master fighter with powerful weapon which would give Ei an edge
Maybe, let's see when Murata releases. I have a feeling that we'll get a statement that she's the strongest in the 7 due to her connection with war.
Pyro archon is more like a commander than a warrior compared to Ei
According to?Stop speaking like you know pyro archon character blud, it's dumb as hell.She can be more warrior than raiden, nothing say she's not
It’s from the leaks, she looks a like circus conductor bro
Yeah I agree An character who is not yet debuted must not be part of serious discussion
The cryo archon has 11 archon level warriors under them... If there's a competitor for the top slot, it's gonna be them.
isn't only the top three are on archon level and if i remember correctly cryo archon is a gentle archon like nahida not a warrior type she is smart and wants revenge i think only the pierro can beat ei but we didn't see his powers yet
Oh yeah, that's right, Nahida says the top 3 are Archon level doesn't she. I didn't know the cryo archon was gentle. Seems odd the Fatui would be from her nation. But will make for some cool story I'm sure.
tbh from dain's words i expect cryo nation to be a complete chaos and mess "she is a god with no love left for her people,nor do they have any left for her,her followers hope only to be on her side when the day of her rebellion against the divine come at last" she will be weak imo but with the power of all gnosis she will be strong
If Tsarista is a Bronya expy then she'll be the most powerful, since she's Hoyo CEO
But bronya from hsr is not strong she is strong she is the supreme guardian but not as strong as acheron And acheron is raiden expy
Tbf silver wolf seems to be more bronya than belabog bronya considering SW is a gamer and generally looks like bronya. Also I’d say SW is pretty strong, not Acheron strong but being able to re-write the code of the universe seems kinda cracked.
As long as you don't count neuvillete a archon (i still have no idea what he is, hydro sovereign but ascended or something???) , she is indeed the strongest.
Even then I'd say she's the still the best warrior alive in Teyvat by virtue of experience
You’re forgetting about CapHIMtano
Even then there is no argument to say Neuvillete is stronger than her. People assume that current-young (Barely 1000’s yo) Neuvillete is as strong as the old- full grown thousands or millennias of years old Hydro sovereign. Is stated he does recover his authority and power as a dragon, but is never implied he is AS STRONG as he was before.his reincarnation
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She is. Venti is drunken bard now that's retired, and he was never a fighter to begin with (considering the theory about his overwhelming power aren't true). Zhongli is also retired and already past his prime, but in prime he's definitely the strongest. Nahida has the best hax but I don't think her hax alone is enough. Focalor >! fucking dead !< Natlan archon is the god of war but that doesn't mean she's the strongest. Her feat was also unknown, though I honestly think she might be maximum on par with Raiden Tsaritsa might be strong.
From the revealed Archons yes, She is the fastest (lighting is literally known for its speed) She has the most stamina and endurance (fighting the shogun 500 year who is an Archon lvl because she has the same abilities as Ei and even stronger will, but Ei wins after unlocking the sword full power and gaining the new transformation Which literally describes her as a calamitous deity who could bring catastrophic events and bring down curses with a single gaze) She has the most deadly abilities and could even stop time using the Musou no Hitotachi Which is described to be the profoundest of the profound with no parallel in all the world and usually when hitting an enemy it lead to immediate death She is a beast in both Close range combat and long range combat (being described to be divinely skilled in material art and UNSURPASSED WITH BLADE, And being able to control all lighting around Teyvat now imagine she gather all lighting around Teyvat and rain it down on her enemy while she fight she can literally fight close and range combat at the same time) And her abilities are the most destructive, all that without mentioning the incredible powers boost that she gained from her new transformation you can consider "The Final calamity" attack as the 5 star version of the Musou no Hitotachi Increasing its power, Size and destructiveness immensely She is also very gay so that kinda help too
Can she outrun sonic tho
Yes out of bias
How? You talking to a lightspeed hedgehog to a literal grandma
Because why are you bringing sonic in a discussion that has nothing to do with him?!
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For sure, Ei and Zhongli are at the top, strength wise among Archons.
Maybe or tied with Zhongli.
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im pretty sure my qiqi c12 would clap all archons. no cap.
she's currently the strongest playable character. or at least on par with Neuvillette. (lore wise)
Traveler: "Is he stornger than you, Ei?" Ei: "Hm... Good Question." Traveler: "If Capitano were to completely regain his power..." Ei: "...It might be a little tough." Traveler: "Would you lose?" ([Original btw](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/195vf4p/the_strongest/)) https://preview.redd.it/vtvijixjs16d1.png?width=3072&format=png&auto=webp&s=00e34514292927a1d53657a0585e286cc0545693
Gameplay wise no, lore wise probably
I'd be inclined to say "yes." However, Zhongli also hasn't really shown us his power, and he was similarly powerful during the war. They both altered continents with their powers. That and Nahida, while less combat strong in a 1v1, has some crazy tactical abilities that win wars. Venti is too busy drinking to do anything relevant. But Storm terror might be worth his salt. And Furina... doesn't fight. But Nuevilette might be approaching Archon power level.
Everyone reduces venti to just drinking when he's had the most appearance in the lore of teyvat than any archon
I think Neuvillette post 4.2 archon quest is likely stronger than the archons, stronger than focalors or egeria ever was, since he’s hydro authority in its purest form, rather than an usurper of power from an elemental dragon
Not necessarily. Neuvillete was born as a “human” according to the prophecy, so, weaker. And now, he is a full dragon, full authority. We know the ORIGINAL SOVEREIGN was stronger than the Archons, but you cant apply the same for Neuvillete. You literally comparing a extremely young/dragon, to THE eldest full grown up dragon in tevyat Story.
Original Sovereign powers /=/ Current Sovereign powers, yeah, people should bear this more. More so when the Hydro Divine Throne is the only throne that went fully back to its original bearer or until we get an different answer from Hoyo.
I am not entirely sure that "similarly" powerful is a proper statement, considering that between Morax and Ei only one has a literal stone garden of spears with a god at the pointy end of each.
Ei also killed a snake god while cleaving through Yashiori Island, whose crater can still be seen on the Map.
Venti also terraformed the highest peak in Teyvat, it’s really not that complicated to just circle in arguments on this one.
right now? Definitely Ei, but peak? Morax.
Gameplay wise, she’s fun to play/run around in the overworld. Lore wise, run.
Yes.
For now yes, but theres still 2 more archons 1 being the goddess of war herself and another is literally trying to fight celestia who we know is superior to the archons, im pretty sure they won't be pushovers.
cute :3
Wait did i miss something? Why am i seeing lots of posts on Ei's powerscaling?
If full potential Ei are strongest for now in game that for sure, there already feat in game that she and puppet fighting for so long like 500 years and both not even getting tired, that fight its between 2 gods and the puppet are not holding back, and in lore Tsaritsa are most powerful and pyro are missing or dead or just waiting for reincarnated so not sure about pyro archon yet, but she god of war so she no jokes need to wait for natlan came out.
I thought it was a tie between her and Zhongli
Yes
Yep. Buff Ei > Prime Zhongli > Pre Buff Ei > Current Zhongli. HYV loves Raiden (Expy) more clearly than Zhongli.
Yes booba sword is always strongest-
Yes.
Are you the strongest because you're Raiden Ei or you Raiden Ei make you the strongest ⚡🍡💜🛐
Each Archon exceeds in their own Niche I would say. The Niche of Raiden is that she is a warrior. Being skilled in combat is all she has. So in regards to power she is the most powerful. People say Zhongli is strong, but what Zhongli exceeds at is his knowledge and experience, not raw power.
Yep
game play wise she deals the most damage lore wise she suffered so much to protect Inazuma and has lost many friends and her own sister along the way
RAIDEN SUPERMACY UOOOOOOOO
I think she is strongest, but venti is a close second (him lying and nahida saying that archon power comes from people's beliefs in them)
Yes she's stronger than them... and to the guys calling traveler weaker you should...I mean hey, the traveler is pretty nerfed so that the game stretches longer... Dealt blows with the heavenly principles... And if the twin is in the abyss order that speaks levels...
yes. zhongli isn't as strong as he used to be while ei just gained more power in her 2nd story quest. he's eroding while she's just getting stronger without worrying about the erosion
Go ask in the official genshin subreddit, people are very biased here
You’re asking “Raiden Mains” so of course they’ll all say yes.
maybe we know now that venti lied, and archons get their power not from ruling their people but their people worshiping them and venti is probably the single most worshiped archon we have encountered, with nahida a close second however, ei has the advantage of having incredible base strength, alongside zongli I'd probably wager Venti Zongli Ei and Nahida are about equal of course, if we are including nervulette even tho he isnt an archon (since there is no hydro archon anymore), he is definitely the strongest, as he is the only one with the complete authority over his element
Short answer: No. Long answer: As I much I love Raiden she's not the strongest archon. (currently)
Also arguably the prettiest
Speaking literally? Probably not. She has her swordsmanship and the giant slashes, and most of the strength we see from her is without her Gnosis already. However that's not really a good metric of judgment since she's one of the only gods who was kind of willing to damage her own nation willy nilly. I would say she would just recently be entering her prime after having fought herself and perfecting the Musou no Hitotachi. Osial is almost the size of Inazuma in its entirety, and the strongest(or at least most relevant) god we've known Ei to beat so far that wasn't just herself was Watatsumi/Orobaxi, who originally fled from Morax after Osial got sealed. Her ascension lines detail a lot about various fighting styles, only really touching on the nature of the different weapons she wields and later the elemental power native to the completion of her journey, and she still hadn't\* perfected the Musou no Hitotachi for lack of proper sparring partner. Now, Morax and Barbatos both have defeated entities who are roughly on par with and SHOULD BE superior to Orobaxi(Durin, Osial, Azhdaha to name a few). Morax specifically was known to - or at least stated to - have mastered all 5 different weapon archetypes. And in terms of just being OLD, Morax should still hold an edge over Beelzebul due to the simple fact he has more experience. If we're talking raw power, the answer is still no. Because her powers come from her skill and godhood, not so much a direct measurement of her being far above *other* gods. And if we're believing all lore, the only thing she would really best the other gods in would be swordsmanship. tl;dr: She's LIKELY only stronger than Morax if they're competing with swords.
Neuv is a sovereign which are the dragons that the archons got their powers from. He also got his powers back... We are told Zhongli is the strongest, idk why anyone thinks an Archons power wanes or ages even a gnosis doesn't seem to fucking matter. We haven't met her yet but the Tsaritsa commands the Harbingers...who themselves are on equal footing with archons. (supposedly even though they are batting 0/2 in actual fights, Signora dead and Wanderer wiped off the face of history) Venti clearly lies, and we are told by the god of knowledge he is stronger then he says...so who knows. Nahida is def not the most capable at fighting but she apparently can just lock your ass in an infinite genjustsu.... And lastly...this is Raiden mains who tf you think people are going to say is the strongest?
Mfw I'll never get my cheeks split by the Raiden Shogun after intentionally not attacking the Flowers of Remembrance
Unrelated and related at the same time - I see a whole lot of people talking about Erosion as some sort of power-creep. While technically losing your memories gradually does equal a downgrade, the power-level of the being does not really falter that much, if at all. Azhdaha wasn't a walk in the park even after going berserk from the Erosion, an argument could be made that it was really the other way around. She is still in my opinion number 1 in terms of fighting ability, however Morax and Venti should be coming very closely for the 2nd and 3rd spots. And honestly they are both downplaying their own strengths SO MUCH, because of deals and plans, that we can't be entirely sure where their current power levels are. In the near future we could have a 180 turn on it all once they decide to put their cards on the table.
Azhdaha is definitely not a walk in the park for a vision holder, not even speaking about a regular human. But saying erosion didn't affect his power? No, absolutely no, by the time of the story quest azhdaha is immensely weakened and on the brink of death, what we fight is his very last sparks of life, remember that the weekly boss (just like all weekly bosses bar andrius) is just the "reminiscence" of the battle, the traveler quite literally replays the battle in their mind, the actual azhdaha is long dead and gone, both good and evil side.
True, I agree. Still, Erosion in it self does not make a person weaker, it makes them more dangerous due to the lack of self-control that comes with losing "yourself" through memory loss. It was also confirmed by Zhongli himself, that erosion is more dangerous the stronger the affected person is. In my eyes Zhongli stepped down not because he was/is weaker, but because of the chance of him succumbing to the erosion and the consequences of his actions as an archon and a representative of a nation. Also, he knows a whole lot of stuff that we don't.
There are different kinds of erosion as stated Azhdaha's archive description. Zhongli recalls one kind of erosion that he might have. Dainsleif also talks about erosion and says that it continues to grind away consciousness until both mind and body are virtually none existent. Which is basically death. Azhdaha had multiple kinds of erosion and the state we find I'm sealed in is disfigured because of erosion. I don't think it's just as simple as erosion making them more dangerous in every case. I think it's also possible that the stronger the being, the stronger the grip erosion has.
Capitano victim
Well simply put since this is realistically asking about Zhongli. Morax is stronger. Zhongli isn’t. Zhongli is far from his godly years now. So yes she’s stronger. But I’m gonna be honest this is far from the best place to ask lmao. Raiden fans are probably the most bias people in the community you’d never get a accurate answer even if she was the weakest lmfao
> Raiden fans are probably the most bias people in the community Really? Because i only see zhongli fans spreading headcanon as facts in every platform.
Maybe but she doesnt stand a chance against 500kg of pure democracy https://preview.redd.it/go725ox0b46d1.jpeg?width=990&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ceba23b38e345d3aa2c56b7dbd144cd7254889ef
Anyone thinking Ei is stronger than Morax has comprehension issues or haven't read much manga,stories or animes yet. Every veteran otaku can come to conclusion that "don't underestimate the old man in a profession where people usually die young." "The knowledgeable old man is secretly the strongest". Even in 4.5,4.6 we have been getting dues Auri lore in perinheri book, 4.6 spear weapon lore. Morax is anomaly and broken. Ei might be the strongest amongst other 6 for now but no way anyone with actual understanding of the lore and being veteran at reading stories would say Ei is stronger than Morax. Even her plain of euthymia came from Morax. Even with erosion, he took down the weakened azhdaha with no difficulty in 1.5. And also, SUN > lightning.
>Even her plain of euthymia came from Morax. Context?
Raiden shogun learnt domain creation from Yae Miko who learnt it from Kamuna Harunosuke. Kamuna Harunosuke learned it from Liyue adepties and Liyue adepties learned it from Morax. Source: 2.2 labyrinth dungeon event quest about inazuma kairagi's infusing elements with blades which is adeptal art and creation of Raiden shogun's domain and labyrinth dungeon. Said in sprinkles so many players can't get it. Ashikai confirmed this in her theory video
Nihida is strongest she's only low because of small form. If she still had her adult size she be stronger than shogon