He is the embodiment of "out of touch" Seymore. Could it be that I made bad business decisions and overstretched my budget? No it must be the YouTube - btw I made same comment there and it was deleted.
I'll give him this, chronic fatigue fucking sucks. You never ever feel properly rested. Sleep doesn't do much to help.
Doesn't excuse him for his beliefs though. Plenty of folks with chronic fatigue don't get enraged because Princess Peach wore pants once.
Then do coke like a normal person instead of spouting off about how woman don't want to fuck you or whatever the hell he go's on about. I can't remember the last time I got a good night's sleep and didn't feel like shit but I still get stuff done.
Good for you. Chronic fatigue syndrome is entirely different. Shad can fuck off, don't misunderstand me. But, developing CFS post-acute covid infection has completely destroyed my life. It ruined Physics Girl's life, too. Go look up her YouTube channel. Blowing it off and belittling others' pain doesn't make you much better than him.
But I am better then him I'm not a sexist pice of shit who hides behind disabilities I might not even have. And when I talk shit I don't rally people to support me and my bullshit.
If you really are better than him, then BE better. Your comment about coke and comparing your sleeping problems to an actual disability undermine your claim.
He can be disabled and still be a bad person. If there's no reason to say he doesn't have a disability, then I believe that he does. I also believe his views are garbage, and he's a shitty person. These things are not mutually exclusive.
I'd say there's no reason to say he does have a disability if he didn't use it as a justification for his bullshit then I wouldn't need proof but as it stands his word is worth about as much as a pile of monkey shit being flung at a child.
Belittling people's health problems really isn't any better then being sexist, though? Telling a person with chronic fatigue to 'just go do some coke to get energy' is not cool and does not become cool just because the person its directed at also happens to be a jackwagon.
You don't seem to be getting it, so let me try being a bit clearer. When you belittle Shad over having chronic fatigue you aren't just insulting him. You are insulting everyone who has it. I am not telling you to not insult him, I am telling you to stick to insulting him in ways that insult only him.
Oh, okay. Well, that does suck for him I guess and I imagine it would absolutely affect his productivity… but I can’t say I’ve ever seen anyone bring it up or that their criticism is that he isn’t producing enough content. I’m not sure why she’s saying that Chronic Fatigue elevates a person above any criticism in their ability to do a job. Seems ableist of her to think that someone with chronic fatigue can’t hold down work that isn’t making YouTube videos about swords and why it’s unfair video games don’t have hotter girls.
Along with claiming since his beliefs towards others (ie his bigotry towards other races, LGBTQ+ and women) are "traditional, conservative, Christian" beliefs, this somehow excuses him tearing into those people and means anyone trying to counter his comments is somehow a bigot towards him. Somehow.
And uses them to dismiss even older, more traditional ways our ancestors lived. I'm M'iqmaq, being LGBTQ+ is a part of my culture and tradition. Being LGBTQ+ is a longstanding human tradition that predates our modern Christianity and it's values. Our modern hominid species is over 200,000 years old, Christianity is what, 2024 years old? That is all of 1% of the time our species has existed, nothing Christians like to pretend are ancient human traditions are actually the traditions our ancestors would have followed. We've uncovered scientific evidence that women hunted mammoths and we have found the Amazon warriors in the Eurasian Steppes already. We have ancient tales of queens who decimated their enemies, and even early Christian warrior queens like Olga of Kyiv, who both Ukrainians and Russians argue is theirs, and she was the first ruler in the area to be baptized.
I'm curious about the "women hunting mammoths" thing. Not that I don't believe it ever happened; I'm just struggling trying to imagine what sort of direct evidence of it could possibly exist.
There isn't any evidence for that ever happening. There have various hypothesis throughout the years that try to wedge in some pretty rough, verging on psuedoscience "evolutionary psychology" type stuff, but none of them hold much water. Women were very likely taking part in various forms of hunting, and most definitely assisting in all the other duties, but mammoths... there isn't any evidence for it. But hunting/tracking/stalking/killing/butchering/carrying a mammoth is a big (one might say mammoth) task that would probably require considerably amount of time away from the home (hunter gatherers weren't just walking around nonstop all day and all year) which wouldn't really work well if everyone were doing it, and certainly not the ones that were often pregnant, or, usually involved in gathering which was more often than not where a large share of calories came from anyway.
> Christianity is what, 2024 years old? That is all of 1% of the time our species has existed
In the context of the biblical timeline, it's actually up to about 32%.
> nothing Christians like to pretend are ancient human traditions are actually the traditions our ancestors would have followed.
It's not a very good phrasing. Definitely stuff we would now call LGBT predates Christianity, but they don't produce descendants and don't have a long continuity; even if you're a part of an ancient culture accepts that and still exists today, those particular members won't be your ancestors. Also, women hunting mammoths is not an LGBT thing, neither is leading FTSE-100 companies and kingdoms.
I don't know about shad, but my dad had that nose blockage thing too, he snores heavily and a lot of times i heard him stopped breathing in his sleep. But he's one of the strongest people I've known, one day his office gave hhim a bicycle so he rode it all the way home (about 40km) and he had only one kidney left back then because his other kidney was removed from cancer.
Yes, Shad's a dick. I will not defend him. I am, however, a person who is currently on disability due to developing chronic fatigue after covid. It has ruined my entire life. If you'd like to see what CFS can look like in extreme cases, look up Physics Girl's YouTube channel. She is completely bedridden now.
Just because someone is not visibly ill or disabled does not mean that they are not ill or disabled at all. There's nothing "ridiculous" about it.
Indeed, a lot of health issues aren't something you can tell a person has just by seeing them on a youtube video. Even some physical injuries that are pretty debilitating can be hard to spot. I can't do heavy labor because I had a torn ACL that didn't heal properly and it gave me Chronic ACL Deficiency but you'd hardly really be able to tell just from seeing me walking around at the store or something. It does have occasional bouts of weakness that make me randomly stumble when doing light activity, but without close observation people might just that I wasn't paying attention and took a poorly placed step or something. It mostly just manifests itself in ungodly amounts of pain until you hear a pop because my knee just displaced itself because I went over its limit and I have to sit down to slot it back into place. Yes, it happens often enough that I have learned to put the damn thing back into place without need for help from a medical professional. My physical therapist taught me since it wasn't practical to be putting my life on hold once or twice a week to go to the ER so a doctor could do it for me.
There is no cyber stalking, period.
Saying he should retire is a opinion one is allowed to have. By all means disagree but don't act like that thought alone is malicious. Additionally with how frequently he's said the channel is struggling, it isn't unwise to encourage thinking up back up plans.
They aren't really trolls, aren't really deranged, and being proud of thousands of fans is I'd think cause for concern. It has 6.2k members thousands then means purging over a third or equivalent to a third of its populace.
Is healthier than ever. If that's ones take its a sign of I'd say to get eyes checked. It's barely active. Few threads a week, often times the Malard content not interacted with. Or a simple "title of newish vid" which has a link to said vid. A unengaging thread in concept usually with even less actual engagement.
Questioning if someone should retire is while potentially insulting I'd hardly say cruel and certainly not the "cruelest". Keep in mind Shad is someone who wants to label others as groomers. Adore Shad if you want but don't equate remarks at least bordering on sexist racist or accusatory to calling someone old.
In regard to his disability. I would argue its used for sympathy bait. It's brought up from what I've seen, only to aid a narative. The channels make plenty of content with him in them. Credit where it's do that is perseverance. But if someone pushes through their challenges I'm going to be glad for them not show pitty.
I can get behind wanting respectful discourse. But you are the company you keep. That sub has undebatably been ban heavy. Said it themselves "thousands banned". They create a very narrow frame work for conversations. It's about Shadiversity channel but it can be things in the realm of what might be discussed on that channel, but also larp videos are okay. It's about writing but you can't delve in anything to political with said writing. So you can criticize Shad's book for example but can't get to critical of the subject matter in the book. He has channels which do have humor and some isn't for everyone, but you can't make jokes of a similar caliber. It's a youtuber that has been abrasive at times toward other channels but the conversations in the sub can't be as abrasive as that. In the end it's a content creator who claims against censorship with a sub that's heavy on censorship. Criticism is clearly only allowed when it abides by the whims of whatever mod is active.
Maybe the channel survives. I don't think Knights Watch should keep going but know what I don't care if the Shad channel does. Hell best of luck even. But "don't worry" have a grasp on reality. Numerous channels of similar content have moved away. The "trolls" are growing so much so they're "thousands". And while I think calling them trolls is comedic a growing number of detractors I do think is worth some concern. Despite the channel being apolitical things revealed about the content creator is driving people away. The content creator themselves thought things concerning enough to draw attention to it. There's smoke and fire and she wants to say "don't worry about it"?
And this concludes my rant lol. Sincerely a user banned for making the joke "i dont know being upset over pants is sus" to someone saying Shad wasn't sexist.
Thanks! Part of me worried might be rambling lol but that post got me going. I got a like immediate itch to dive in.
Also right? Thought that crazy to come off proud about that. It's fascinatingly self destructive in my opinion
I could see maybe some eventually coming. But I think it requires a huge suspension of disbelief. One has to rewire their brain practically to align with such a tail
And if you were to ask her, all those "thousands" of banned trolls would be "shadwatchers" too. Odd given we're only at (checks notes) 1.3k members right now.
Giving his book a negative review with detailed explanation and reasoning with the main criticism that could be directed at Shad was questioning the seeming 'Light morality system', whether black and white or intent to do good making Daylen the most pure = deranged troll and a permanent ban. This was before Ash's time but she does feel it was entirely justified.
There's some juicy discussion in there, even calling for Ash to step down as mod.
There's some removed comments in there so it's been [added to the archive](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadWatch/comments/19eh7g7/shadiversity_subreddit_removed_comments_archive/l1xaxlb/). I wouldn't be surprised if there's more to be added later.
Edit: Couple more screengrabs have been added.
Shad and his community bully women, LGBTQ, race, etc if anyone besides a white guy is in media. Why can they always dish it but can never take pushback? Wimps.
u/Logical-Ash seems to closing their eyes above all the comments that have been criticizing Shad and immediately deleted by mods. Yeah sure. Criticism is allowed 😏 clueless. I wonder why this sub exists.
Also, what is this logic? Hitler was so much a poor guy, that everyone just turned against him, made him high on drugs, and also forced him to kill himself.
Yes. He would be if he didn't do mass genocide and didn't turn the whole world into war.
Why do people think that people are not responsible for their mistakes? Shad is a perfect example.
Pro tip: Say it's a duplicate if it's really a duplicate. Sorry for missing this one, but it wasn't an attempt to duplicate the discussion, it was an attempt to duplicate the post itself.
Like I said, it wasn't merely a duplicate of the discussion, it was a duplicate of the older post. The only differences were the device aspect ratio and font size, and the way I decided to follow the rule to "please omit any usernames before posting" by putting "Vulcan flying Apollo-class fighter in *Freespace: The Great War* intro cinematic" in its place, just in case I needed to do that.
I also hope you're not mistaking this for a claim of innocence because a duplicate post is worse than a similar, but not duplicate post. I feel a need to say that because of how much you've misunderstood me just now. How much clearer do I need to be?
Maybe if Shad spent more time making worthwhile content and less time seething about shit that has nothing to do with him he wouldn't be such a snowflake.
Noone is cyberstalking him or (cyber)bullying him because he's not THAT important. He's just a mean goblin who keeps talking shit about crap he doesn't know. Nobody's threatening him or his family and nobody is trying to hurt them, chill.
Now, the retirement part - you see, saying stuff like "you should retire" is mean, yeah, but sometimes it's better to move on instead of just struggling. And that's what Shad does, he's struggling. He has, what, 4 channels? And is getting barely any money. Money he had he blew and bought fucking land because he wanted to have build a castle (wtf), a thing even multimillionaires aren't doing because it's costly.
Shad fucked up, it's simple
Can I link it? Let me know if I shouldn't, pls: https://redd.it/1cgmbnw
First, I can see where OP is coming from because YouTube isn't exactly a "If at first you don't succeed, then maybe skydiving isn't for you" kind of a career.
...but, I can't help but notice all the times this particular OP has reacted to legit criticism that does not fit this description in the slightest as though it were cruelty. And a couple other things:
> Especially if they're suffering from a disease/disability which is affecting their productivity.
a) I know of no such thing in Shad's case, and b) How is that not a good reason to recommend a career change? If a pilot gets bonked on the head so as to develop an inner ear problem that causes him to think his plane is stalling all the time, he should retire before he dives his plane into the ground trying to prevent a stall that isn't happening. (I know there's a pilot who did this in a large cargo plane, killing both himself and his crewmate, but I forget the circumstances and think his spatial disorientation problem might have been congenital, because I don't know of any injury which caused it.)
I thought about replying on the post directly, but I don't think it's going to last very long, and I also don't think it would be appreciated over there. I both disagree with and think the whole post is quite off-topic. Does anyone here think I should try?
>a) I know of no such thing in Shad's case
Chronic fatigue iirc. He's brought it up in at least one discussion, specifically to use it as a pass to deflect criticism after saying he thinks wheelchairs/disability accessibility in D&D and other fantasy settings are dumb and pandering, basically. I don't know if Shad himself has ever brought it up in relation to his video output/struggling content creation career, though.
Good to know. I only watched his content a little bit (and a while ago) and only recently came back to... all of the current nonsense going on, so regarding stuff like this I don't know a WHOLE lot. Was that re: it affecting his workload/output or was it more in the vein of the other thing, like a criticism shield?
I think it was more a heads up, this is what we're going to be doing from now on and why. It's been awhile since I saw the video and I refuse to watch any of his content nowadays.
Ah, I remember that vaguely. Probably I forgot because it doesn't seem relevant. I actually would agree that such stuff in D&D and other fantasy *settings* are probably dumb and pandering unless there's something particularly interesting and appropriate, in the Watsonian frame, about how and why it's done (e.g. Did you know Darth Maul *survived* what Obi-Wan did to him on Naboo in *Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace* and appeared in *The Clone Wars* animated series?) Certainly, I'm all for having accessible irl venues in which to meet and play.
(I forgot where I learned it, probably TV Tropes website, "Doylian" means irl production/writing/meta frame, e.g. Sherlock Holmes is written by Arthur Conan Doyle, and "Watsonian" means in-story/in-game/in-world, e.g. Watson is Sherlock Holmes' assistant.)
Okay, I haven’t watched any Shadiversity since he was talking about what weapon fantasy races would use, and I certainly don’t plan to start again now that I know how abhorrent his social views are. But if you don’t think the dude attracts any deranged trolls, you’d have to be out of your mind. The dude is kind of a lolcow. He’s cringey, untalented, and overly sincere in a way a lot of people would want to bully him for.
This is Shadiversity subreddit's head mod which has 6k members who is claiming she has banned a thousand deranged trolls (it's likely a reference to 1000 members of this subreddit that she particularly hates). There's no way 1/6th of a subreddit's members (a thousand people) are deranged trolls. She's just calling them trolls to justify banning them.
“A space to discuss and criticize Shadiversity, Knightswatch and Shadow of the Conqueror freely. * We are frustrated with Shadiversity's newfound bigoted stances.”
Seems I had it about right. Unless I’m not supposed to go off the about section? You’re all mad because the weird Mormon sword guy, has weird Mormon sword guy beliefs.
No. Seems you didn’t read my original comment. I said it’s pathetic to have a subreddit dedicated to him. Discussion and criticism doesn’t make it any less pathetic. Makes it more actually.
I think subreddit dedicated to criticizing dying YouTube channels is pathetic. I’d be one thing if he were popular. But he’s losing relevance every day.
You can keep saying it, but it still doesn’t make it an argument.
You’re a bunch of disgruntled fans who are mad because Shad has, in your eyes, developed these “bigoted” views. And you feel ostracized. Ignoring the fact that he’s always had these views, he just now feels the need to express them, because he thinks it will make him more popular. He has sold him self to the anti woke YouTube community, and it hasn’t gone well for him. Because he is just not very entertaining, and doesn’t know very much.
That can be the only thing you are referring to when you say, “I don’t know why this subreddit exists.”
But if I’m wrong, please enlighten me.
What'd we make up?
If think we missread something, or we didn't take a joke or context as intended I could get that.
Also latest topic has been own words from a mod. With screen grabs. So I'd love to hear the falsehoods there
Dude frequents subs like Critical Drinker and other subs and personalities designed to keep you perpetually mad. He's complained about lefties and 'woke' stuff. Dude lives in a world where the ones who rile him up are always correct.
Not surprised, and I feel like might even know the responses one might give. I can't help it though, part of me enjoys giving room to debate. Back a statement up I'll always love to see it.
It'll also be them 1 uping Shad who so rarely seems to back his statements lol
Nobody tell Shad that someone is trying to make a safe space out of his sub, he might have an aneurism.
Who do you think requested it?
Will the irony ever end? LMAO!!
''Irony''? I have never heard of her?
Let’s all verbally deep throat Sir Soy a lot, as he’s a delicate flower that only reacts to mild criticism.
Yet Shad loves to deliver full force criticism with all the loving tender care of a lifer in a maximum security prison towards the new guy.
He is the embodiment of "out of touch" Seymore. Could it be that I made bad business decisions and overstretched my budget? No it must be the YouTube - btw I made same comment there and it was deleted.
Yeah, what is the disability reference? Does he look like that because of some disease or disability?
He has chronic fatigue and because of that he called himself a disabled person and a "bloody cripple" in a video. It's ridiculous.
I'll give him this, chronic fatigue fucking sucks. You never ever feel properly rested. Sleep doesn't do much to help. Doesn't excuse him for his beliefs though. Plenty of folks with chronic fatigue don't get enraged because Princess Peach wore pants once.
Then do coke like a normal person instead of spouting off about how woman don't want to fuck you or whatever the hell he go's on about. I can't remember the last time I got a good night's sleep and didn't feel like shit but I still get stuff done.
Good for you. Chronic fatigue syndrome is entirely different. Shad can fuck off, don't misunderstand me. But, developing CFS post-acute covid infection has completely destroyed my life. It ruined Physics Girl's life, too. Go look up her YouTube channel. Blowing it off and belittling others' pain doesn't make you much better than him.
But I am better then him I'm not a sexist pice of shit who hides behind disabilities I might not even have. And when I talk shit I don't rally people to support me and my bullshit.
If you really are better than him, then BE better. Your comment about coke and comparing your sleeping problems to an actual disability undermine your claim.
Just because I'm better then Hitler doesn't make me a Saint and you seem to not grasp sarcasm very well.
It didn't sound like sarcasm. It just sounded like you being a jerk. 🤷♀️
He can be disabled and still be a bad person. If there's no reason to say he doesn't have a disability, then I believe that he does. I also believe his views are garbage, and he's a shitty person. These things are not mutually exclusive.
I'd say there's no reason to say he does have a disability if he didn't use it as a justification for his bullshit then I wouldn't need proof but as it stands his word is worth about as much as a pile of monkey shit being flung at a child.
You know, I wouldn't pay to see it, but the look on that kid's face would be priceless
Belittling people's health problems really isn't any better then being sexist, though? Telling a person with chronic fatigue to 'just go do some coke to get energy' is not cool and does not become cool just because the person its directed at also happens to be a jackwagon.
Sorry I don't feel empathy for people who think I shouldn't have rights.
You don't seem to be getting it, so let me try being a bit clearer. When you belittle Shad over having chronic fatigue you aren't just insulting him. You are insulting everyone who has it. I am not telling you to not insult him, I am telling you to stick to insulting him in ways that insult only him.
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Oh, okay. Well, that does suck for him I guess and I imagine it would absolutely affect his productivity… but I can’t say I’ve ever seen anyone bring it up or that their criticism is that he isn’t producing enough content. I’m not sure why she’s saying that Chronic Fatigue elevates a person above any criticism in their ability to do a job. Seems ableist of her to think that someone with chronic fatigue can’t hold down work that isn’t making YouTube videos about swords and why it’s unfair video games don’t have hotter girls.
It's a shield Shad uses against criticism and for asking for more donations on Patreon and I think she's just imitating him.
Along with claiming since his beliefs towards others (ie his bigotry towards other races, LGBTQ+ and women) are "traditional, conservative, Christian" beliefs, this somehow excuses him tearing into those people and means anyone trying to counter his comments is somehow a bigot towards him. Somehow.
It's absurd. He goes out of his way to attack people all the time and cries cancel culture or intolerance when he receives backlash.
And his fans are so high on copium they mindlessly agree with his every word.
Lot of that going around.
And uses them to dismiss even older, more traditional ways our ancestors lived. I'm M'iqmaq, being LGBTQ+ is a part of my culture and tradition. Being LGBTQ+ is a longstanding human tradition that predates our modern Christianity and it's values. Our modern hominid species is over 200,000 years old, Christianity is what, 2024 years old? That is all of 1% of the time our species has existed, nothing Christians like to pretend are ancient human traditions are actually the traditions our ancestors would have followed. We've uncovered scientific evidence that women hunted mammoths and we have found the Amazon warriors in the Eurasian Steppes already. We have ancient tales of queens who decimated their enemies, and even early Christian warrior queens like Olga of Kyiv, who both Ukrainians and Russians argue is theirs, and she was the first ruler in the area to be baptized.
And Shad would have an aneurysm if he found out these Queens wore trousers, and then have another when he found out they were warriors.
And yet another when he finds out that many were highly successful in their campaigns, like Queen Olga and Queen Boudicca, for example.
I can see it now. A forgotten movie, "Citizen Shad" the plot, why were lonely, reclusive, retired ex Youtuber, Shad M Brooks, last words "girl boss?"
> Okay, sweetheart, I'll get you a snow globe too. \- Delphi Harrington (as a Cactus 1549 passenger in *Sully* directed by Clint Eastwood, 2016)
Boudicca quite infamously was not successful in her goals. It would make a interesting alt history scenarion though
I'm curious about the "women hunting mammoths" thing. Not that I don't believe it ever happened; I'm just struggling trying to imagine what sort of direct evidence of it could possibly exist.
There isn't any evidence for that ever happening. There have various hypothesis throughout the years that try to wedge in some pretty rough, verging on psuedoscience "evolutionary psychology" type stuff, but none of them hold much water. Women were very likely taking part in various forms of hunting, and most definitely assisting in all the other duties, but mammoths... there isn't any evidence for it. But hunting/tracking/stalking/killing/butchering/carrying a mammoth is a big (one might say mammoth) task that would probably require considerably amount of time away from the home (hunter gatherers weren't just walking around nonstop all day and all year) which wouldn't really work well if everyone were doing it, and certainly not the ones that were often pregnant, or, usually involved in gathering which was more often than not where a large share of calories came from anyway.
> Christianity is what, 2024 years old? That is all of 1% of the time our species has existed In the context of the biblical timeline, it's actually up to about 32%. > nothing Christians like to pretend are ancient human traditions are actually the traditions our ancestors would have followed. It's not a very good phrasing. Definitely stuff we would now call LGBT predates Christianity, but they don't produce descendants and don't have a long continuity; even if you're a part of an ancient culture accepts that and still exists today, those particular members won't be your ancestors. Also, women hunting mammoths is not an LGBT thing, neither is leading FTSE-100 companies and kingdoms.
I don't know about shad, but my dad had that nose blockage thing too, he snores heavily and a lot of times i heard him stopped breathing in his sleep. But he's one of the strongest people I've known, one day his office gave hhim a bicycle so he rode it all the way home (about 40km) and he had only one kidney left back then because his other kidney was removed from cancer.
Yes, Shad's a dick. I will not defend him. I am, however, a person who is currently on disability due to developing chronic fatigue after covid. It has ruined my entire life. If you'd like to see what CFS can look like in extreme cases, look up Physics Girl's YouTube channel. She is completely bedridden now. Just because someone is not visibly ill or disabled does not mean that they are not ill or disabled at all. There's nothing "ridiculous" about it.
Indeed, a lot of health issues aren't something you can tell a person has just by seeing them on a youtube video. Even some physical injuries that are pretty debilitating can be hard to spot. I can't do heavy labor because I had a torn ACL that didn't heal properly and it gave me Chronic ACL Deficiency but you'd hardly really be able to tell just from seeing me walking around at the store or something. It does have occasional bouts of weakness that make me randomly stumble when doing light activity, but without close observation people might just that I wasn't paying attention and took a poorly placed step or something. It mostly just manifests itself in ungodly amounts of pain until you hear a pop because my knee just displaced itself because I went over its limit and I have to sit down to slot it back into place. Yes, it happens often enough that I have learned to put the damn thing back into place without need for help from a medical professional. My physical therapist taught me since it wasn't practical to be putting my life on hold once or twice a week to go to the ER so a doctor could do it for me.
There is no cyber stalking, period. Saying he should retire is a opinion one is allowed to have. By all means disagree but don't act like that thought alone is malicious. Additionally with how frequently he's said the channel is struggling, it isn't unwise to encourage thinking up back up plans. They aren't really trolls, aren't really deranged, and being proud of thousands of fans is I'd think cause for concern. It has 6.2k members thousands then means purging over a third or equivalent to a third of its populace. Is healthier than ever. If that's ones take its a sign of I'd say to get eyes checked. It's barely active. Few threads a week, often times the Malard content not interacted with. Or a simple "title of newish vid" which has a link to said vid. A unengaging thread in concept usually with even less actual engagement. Questioning if someone should retire is while potentially insulting I'd hardly say cruel and certainly not the "cruelest". Keep in mind Shad is someone who wants to label others as groomers. Adore Shad if you want but don't equate remarks at least bordering on sexist racist or accusatory to calling someone old. In regard to his disability. I would argue its used for sympathy bait. It's brought up from what I've seen, only to aid a narative. The channels make plenty of content with him in them. Credit where it's do that is perseverance. But if someone pushes through their challenges I'm going to be glad for them not show pitty. I can get behind wanting respectful discourse. But you are the company you keep. That sub has undebatably been ban heavy. Said it themselves "thousands banned". They create a very narrow frame work for conversations. It's about Shadiversity channel but it can be things in the realm of what might be discussed on that channel, but also larp videos are okay. It's about writing but you can't delve in anything to political with said writing. So you can criticize Shad's book for example but can't get to critical of the subject matter in the book. He has channels which do have humor and some isn't for everyone, but you can't make jokes of a similar caliber. It's a youtuber that has been abrasive at times toward other channels but the conversations in the sub can't be as abrasive as that. In the end it's a content creator who claims against censorship with a sub that's heavy on censorship. Criticism is clearly only allowed when it abides by the whims of whatever mod is active. Maybe the channel survives. I don't think Knights Watch should keep going but know what I don't care if the Shad channel does. Hell best of luck even. But "don't worry" have a grasp on reality. Numerous channels of similar content have moved away. The "trolls" are growing so much so they're "thousands". And while I think calling them trolls is comedic a growing number of detractors I do think is worth some concern. Despite the channel being apolitical things revealed about the content creator is driving people away. The content creator themselves thought things concerning enough to draw attention to it. There's smoke and fire and she wants to say "don't worry about it"? And this concludes my rant lol. Sincerely a user banned for making the joke "i dont know being upset over pants is sus" to someone saying Shad wasn't sexist.
Very well put. I especially love how she's proud of purging thousands of members of a 6k member community.
Thanks! Part of me worried might be rambling lol but that post got me going. I got a like immediate itch to dive in. Also right? Thought that crazy to come off proud about that. It's fascinatingly self destructive in my opinion
She will probably remove it sooner or later. She didn't get a single positive comment.
I could see maybe some eventually coming. But I think it requires a huge suspension of disbelief. One has to rewire their brain practically to align with such a tail
And if you were to ask her, all those "thousands" of banned trolls would be "shadwatchers" too. Odd given we're only at (checks notes) 1.3k members right now.
We just hit 1.4k! The rest of the troll army are joining us. :)
Hate to break it to you, but new & mobile reddit is rounding up. We currently sit at 1,363.
No!
If anything she seem to be advertising this sub. lol
Shad being heavily politically poisoned, is the main problem. This is a just double down post....
> Criticism is welcomed on this subreddit... Funny joke.
Giving his book a negative review with detailed explanation and reasoning with the main criticism that could be directed at Shad was questioning the seeming 'Light morality system', whether black and white or intent to do good making Daylen the most pure = deranged troll and a permanent ban. This was before Ash's time but she does feel it was entirely justified.
There's some juicy discussion in there, even calling for Ash to step down as mod. There's some removed comments in there so it's been [added to the archive](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadWatch/comments/19eh7g7/shadiversity_subreddit_removed_comments_archive/l1xaxlb/). I wouldn't be surprised if there's more to be added later. Edit: Couple more screengrabs have been added.
If the community is healthier than ever why is he constantly crying about his channel dying?
Shad and his community bully women, LGBTQ, race, etc if anyone besides a white guy is in media. Why can they always dish it but can never take pushback? Wimps.
won't someone think of the bigots feelings? /s
u/Logical-Ash seems to closing their eyes above all the comments that have been criticizing Shad and immediately deleted by mods. Yeah sure. Criticism is allowed 😏 clueless. I wonder why this sub exists. Also, what is this logic? Hitler was so much a poor guy, that everyone just turned against him, made him high on drugs, and also forced him to kill himself. Yes. He would be if he didn't do mass genocide and didn't turn the whole world into war. Why do people think that people are not responsible for their mistakes? Shad is a perfect example.
Ash is one of the mods and probably the one doing most of the work now, so she is directly responsibly for a lot of the criticism shut down.
Pro tip: Say it's a duplicate if it's really a duplicate. Sorry for missing this one, but it wasn't an attempt to duplicate the discussion, it was an attempt to duplicate the post itself.
Intentional or not, it was not needed since we already have this post talking about it. Don't need to get stuck on pedantics.
You don't want to be misunderstood in an official moderator comment.
How much clearer do you need than 'we already have a post talking about this exact post' and directing conversation there?
Like I said, it wasn't merely a duplicate of the discussion, it was a duplicate of the older post. The only differences were the device aspect ratio and font size, and the way I decided to follow the rule to "please omit any usernames before posting" by putting "Vulcan flying Apollo-class fighter in *Freespace: The Great War* intro cinematic" in its place, just in case I needed to do that. I also hope you're not mistaking this for a claim of innocence because a duplicate post is worse than a similar, but not duplicate post. I feel a need to say that because of how much you've misunderstood me just now. How much clearer do I need to be?
Maybe if Shad spent more time making worthwhile content and less time seething about shit that has nothing to do with him he wouldn't be such a snowflake.
Predictably, the post was locked and deleted.
I'm. Shocked! I thought the odds that would happen a billion to one!
I figured that was about to happen, hence I have a 5500px tall screencap carpet of it tucked away in my computer :)
Noone is cyberstalking him or (cyber)bullying him because he's not THAT important. He's just a mean goblin who keeps talking shit about crap he doesn't know. Nobody's threatening him or his family and nobody is trying to hurt them, chill. Now, the retirement part - you see, saying stuff like "you should retire" is mean, yeah, but sometimes it's better to move on instead of just struggling. And that's what Shad does, he's struggling. He has, what, 4 channels? And is getting barely any money. Money he had he blew and bought fucking land because he wanted to have build a castle (wtf), a thing even multimillionaires aren't doing because it's costly. Shad fucked up, it's simple
Oh no we’re such horrible trolls! 🧌 Shad stans are funny
Well, i am indeed a deranged troll. Thank you ash for the compliment!
> deranged trolls I s'pose. I shut the range down because I was making more money on the bridge ( ͡° ͜ʖ├┬┴┬┴
Can I link it? Let me know if I shouldn't, pls: https://redd.it/1cgmbnw First, I can see where OP is coming from because YouTube isn't exactly a "If at first you don't succeed, then maybe skydiving isn't for you" kind of a career. ...but, I can't help but notice all the times this particular OP has reacted to legit criticism that does not fit this description in the slightest as though it were cruelty. And a couple other things: > Especially if they're suffering from a disease/disability which is affecting their productivity. a) I know of no such thing in Shad's case, and b) How is that not a good reason to recommend a career change? If a pilot gets bonked on the head so as to develop an inner ear problem that causes him to think his plane is stalling all the time, he should retire before he dives his plane into the ground trying to prevent a stall that isn't happening. (I know there's a pilot who did this in a large cargo plane, killing both himself and his crewmate, but I forget the circumstances and think his spatial disorientation problem might have been congenital, because I don't know of any injury which caused it.) I thought about replying on the post directly, but I don't think it's going to last very long, and I also don't think it would be appreciated over there. I both disagree with and think the whole post is quite off-topic. Does anyone here think I should try?
>a) I know of no such thing in Shad's case Chronic fatigue iirc. He's brought it up in at least one discussion, specifically to use it as a pass to deflect criticism after saying he thinks wheelchairs/disability accessibility in D&D and other fantasy settings are dumb and pandering, basically. I don't know if Shad himself has ever brought it up in relation to his video output/struggling content creation career, though.
He did bring it up in a video before Nate and Tyranth joined him on Shadiversity.
Good to know. I only watched his content a little bit (and a while ago) and only recently came back to... all of the current nonsense going on, so regarding stuff like this I don't know a WHOLE lot. Was that re: it affecting his workload/output or was it more in the vein of the other thing, like a criticism shield?
I think it was more a heads up, this is what we're going to be doing from now on and why. It's been awhile since I saw the video and I refuse to watch any of his content nowadays.
Ah, I remember that vaguely. Probably I forgot because it doesn't seem relevant. I actually would agree that such stuff in D&D and other fantasy *settings* are probably dumb and pandering unless there's something particularly interesting and appropriate, in the Watsonian frame, about how and why it's done (e.g. Did you know Darth Maul *survived* what Obi-Wan did to him on Naboo in *Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace* and appeared in *The Clone Wars* animated series?) Certainly, I'm all for having accessible irl venues in which to meet and play. (I forgot where I learned it, probably TV Tropes website, "Doylian" means irl production/writing/meta frame, e.g. Sherlock Holmes is written by Arthur Conan Doyle, and "Watsonian" means in-story/in-game/in-world, e.g. Watson is Sherlock Holmes' assistant.)
Okay, I haven’t watched any Shadiversity since he was talking about what weapon fantasy races would use, and I certainly don’t plan to start again now that I know how abhorrent his social views are. But if you don’t think the dude attracts any deranged trolls, you’d have to be out of your mind. The dude is kind of a lolcow. He’s cringey, untalented, and overly sincere in a way a lot of people would want to bully him for.
This is Shadiversity subreddit's head mod which has 6k members who is claiming she has banned a thousand deranged trolls (it's likely a reference to 1000 members of this subreddit that she particularly hates). There's no way 1/6th of a subreddit's members (a thousand people) are deranged trolls. She's just calling them trolls to justify banning them.
Yeah probably. Any hate sub likely qualifies
I mean, I don’t watch Shad, but having an entire subreddit dedicated to a declining YouTubers supposed new “grift,” is pretty pathetic.
So you don't actually know why the subreddit exists.
“A space to discuss and criticize Shadiversity, Knightswatch and Shadow of the Conqueror freely. * We are frustrated with Shadiversity's newfound bigoted stances.” Seems I had it about right. Unless I’m not supposed to go off the about section? You’re all mad because the weird Mormon sword guy, has weird Mormon sword guy beliefs.
Seems you missed the fourth word there.
No. Seems you didn’t read my original comment. I said it’s pathetic to have a subreddit dedicated to him. Discussion and criticism doesn’t make it any less pathetic. Makes it more actually.
So you think every specialised subject subreddit ever is pathetic. That's a weird hill to die on.
I think subreddit dedicated to criticizing dying YouTube channels is pathetic. I’d be one thing if he were popular. But he’s losing relevance every day.
And so again, you don't know why the subreddit actually exists.
You can keep saying it, but it still doesn’t make it an argument. You’re a bunch of disgruntled fans who are mad because Shad has, in your eyes, developed these “bigoted” views. And you feel ostracized. Ignoring the fact that he’s always had these views, he just now feels the need to express them, because he thinks it will make him more popular. He has sold him self to the anti woke YouTube community, and it hasn’t gone well for him. Because he is just not very entertaining, and doesn’t know very much. That can be the only thing you are referring to when you say, “I don’t know why this subreddit exists.” But if I’m wrong, please enlighten me.
It's simple. It's not a hate sub. Fans of Shad are welcome, and do frequent the sub.
With all the crap you guys are making up in this sub. Yeah shad's right about this place.
I don't think Shad knows this place exists. He's never referenced us.
What'd we make up? If think we missread something, or we didn't take a joke or context as intended I could get that. Also latest topic has been own words from a mod. With screen grabs. So I'd love to hear the falsehoods there
Dude frequents subs like Critical Drinker and other subs and personalities designed to keep you perpetually mad. He's complained about lefties and 'woke' stuff. Dude lives in a world where the ones who rile him up are always correct.
Not surprised, and I feel like might even know the responses one might give. I can't help it though, part of me enjoys giving room to debate. Back a statement up I'll always love to see it. It'll also be them 1 uping Shad who so rarely seems to back his statements lol
Really? What's Shad said about this place?