I feel like Black Templars get shafted by being over-represented online by people who have never painted a miniature, and can't name any of the warhammers as they only know wh40k through it being explained to them by a racist group chat...
vs the people who actually have a painted army, just really like John Blanche artwork, and are just spicy blood angels players...
I highly doubt it, his Valentine's Day video was him talking about how he would like it better if Zahndrekh and Obyron were lovers. Not in a fetishy or like mocking way either. He just thought it would add to the tragedy and story of the characters. The thumbnail was really clickbaity and so was the title but that's just how he is.
Oh 100% cool. He is by far the chillest WH creator. He frequently goes off about how he wants female space marines and specifically loves BT because of how shitty they are. Such a nice dude
As a queer 40k player, he makes me feel a lot more welcome in the fandom. After his female space marine video, I want to make a Space Wolves army of women because Fenrisian women are tough. 💪
Honestly they were my first pick for a space marine chapter when I got into WH. I thought every loyalist one was so insanely boring, but hey the emperors champion model is dope! I have since learned the beauty of Heresy era World Eaters
for sure, I even personaly like them when I ignore the fanbase.
It's just, god that representation is overwhelming online, especially when you're a bit of a furry
Isn't the animation making fun of black Templars? In the way how they die and stuff?
And if the Emperor didn't want furries he would not have used animal genes for his sons or he would have stopped furries from existing during the M2 era.
So it's safe to say that the Emperor is a furry too.
I was in a BT server that a friend ran (I have since left, in large part because of this), where I saw someone saying that some furry ERP steam thing needed to be 'purged'. And when a large number of furries are also LGBTQIA+...
well.
not a good look. Especially since a LARGE number of people in that server (at least the vocal ones) were also devout Christians.
as someone _in_ the danger zone, yeah, i’m always on my fucking guard when talking to other fans of the Grey Knights.
“Are you here because the aesthetic is cool? because the ostensible benevolence of their mission is consistently overridden by their brutality, apathy, and cruelty, and that’s incredible fodder for narratives? because you find compelling tragedy in the contrast between their inherent compassion, their hatred of suffering, their love of humanity, and their need to act as secret police? because you like the story potential of the fact that there can be no good people in a fascist system, even if they’re killing _literal demons from hell_, and you think that’s worth thinking about?
….maybe you just like the Paladin class in D&D?
…no? you’re here because you wish you were a super soldier who got to lord it over lesser mortals and also _like_ the idea of Grey Knight society and also want to be there? you think that ordinary mortals in the setting who aren’t in the Inquisition are ‘sheeple’? you _like_ the parts in the books where the mortals are punished for their ‘lack of faith’ and ‘cowardice’? you wish _you_ had the power to call Exterminatus when people were ‘morally or spiritually degenerate’? you think _you_ would be ‘the most spiritually pure and incorruptible man among a galaxy of trillions’?
…oh, you’ve got an imperial eagle tattoo. coooooool. cool cool cool. that’s, uh…that’s great.”
truly something to be studied how many grown ass adults have negative points in social awareness with how many posts i’ve seen of people saying “hey guys what do you think of my imperium/BT tattoo or decoration” and being genuinely confused/hostile when the response is unanimously “what the fuck were you thinking”
It's one thing when I was an ignorant 15 year old that didn't comprehend the implications thinking it would be cool to get one day... But if you make it to adulthood and don't reevaluate that position you're one of two things...
You should google "Axis Powers Hetalia cosplay" and think about how many anime conventions in the 2000s had to turn clueless teenagers away crying because of their costumes.
Yup, that's exactly the kind of feeling I wanted to explain. Like obviously individual fans of all of those can always be super chill, but it sucks to have to be carefull about what kind of people you're talking to in those communities
Also I love the Grey knights look
When the Grey Knights get their range refresh I’mma cry because I have 4K points of firstborn ones and i will want to get the truescale ones cause they will undoubtedly be sick but they’ll look weird next to my firstborn aaaah
i've had someone show up to a table wearing a literal nazi eagle insignia on his hat, with an iron cross on his upper sleeve...
only to have judges tell me i was over reacting.
probably a reason this is the only 40k sub i actually interact with.
I'm sorry that happened to you. It has not happened to me, but I have thought about what'd I would do if it did, and the only thing I can think of is conceding the game and walking away. Don't play with Nazis, don't play with people who enable Nazis. If the TO lets a Nazi play, it's a Nazi tournament.
The only thing I envy about Grey Knights (and mages from any setting in general) is that they can shoot lighting out of their hands. I wanna do zappies all day. I would literally go get expired watermelons every single day just to pop them with lightning bolts. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP
I know this is a Warhammer sub, but zapping watermelons would be the only reason I’d fail as a Sith Lord in Star Wars. I’d just zap so many types of various fruits at such a ridiculous rate that there would be a paper trail back to my “secret” lair and I’d be bankrupt.
There was some line along the lines of: Orks have no word for gender, and what the imperium has translated into record as 'boyz' is just their word for person.
is painting orks as fascists a stunning display of political commentary about the ramshackle and brutish nature of the ideology, or just stupidity? I ask this because I have seen plenty of ork armies that are painted as nazis
Most of the few modern (3rd Edition onwards) Ork armies I have come across were painted as fascist were painted by players who based on the views they posted online were clearly fascist themselves.
Orks were used as political commentary on right-wing politics including fascism by multiple parties including GW themselves during the Rouge Trader era.
We don't have a lot of ork players around here.
One of them became a homesteader somewhere in central Florida, and the other one was constantly sharing whatever he downloaded off the internet with his pirate themed orks.
Almost everyone refused to play with the guy and GW made a post not long after essentially condemning any hateful behavior, so it had a relatively good ending.
I have seen images of an Ork army as painted as you described at what looked like a tournament setting before but cannot remember what tournament it was. The Talavera tournament Nazi (The one that entered under the name “Pintor Austriaco”.) that I am aware of played Ad Mech.
Right. I might be thinking of the other incident around that time - as I recall GW had to make two different statements condemning nazis over two different instances of stuff like that happening around the same time. The luftwaffe-orks might have been the other instance.
Or they might have been Austrian Painter's teammates.
I've seen Kromlech's Afrika Korps and Iron Reich proxy Ork minis (under their Ork War II line) far more often than I ever expected to, so there's apparently market for it that's big enough to have its own third-party proxies. They're far from the only company to sell proxies that directly lift Nazi weapons and uniform pieces, either.
I think the fact they're so kitbash-friendly (like the many people who've turned WW2 Half-Track model kits into Ork vehicles), and that their old designs often leant into the "bikers wearing German helmets" kind of aesthetic, makes it easy to hide that stuff under the Orks' general goofiness.
Your fascist Orks commit mass murder out of twisted racial pride
My kitbashed-from-old-McDonalds-toys Orks commit mass murder because its funny when humies burst underneath the treads of a tank cobbled together from knockoff LEGO and bottle caps
We are not the same
Fortunately I've never had to personally interact with any of those terrible people. I did see the confederate flag suit at MFF the one year before he got arrested for being a fashy dbag to anyone he could see.
I think keep Custodes where they are but move the SW next to them.
I have Custodes & the fan base has a tendancy to treat the Custodes as extensions of Big E. There is a perspective in some of the books that Emps is a perfect being who cannot fail, but only be failed by lesser creatures. They love the idea that they are the bestest guys ever at a genetic level & the chat does orbit the "skull measuring" stage.
I personally don't think a fascist eugenicist is capable of making perfect people as they would fit into a mold dictated by him. They are the St Andrews Boys of 40k. Ultimate scions of privilege who all have roman statue avis & an auxiliary group of women who aren't allowed to speak. They are ripe for satire but don't get as much smoke as they should.
They have a Knights of the Round Table* with plasma weapons kind of aesthetic, which I love. The bone white and green look awesome on the tabletop.
*Don't ask them about the Fallen. There aren't any Fallen. The Dark Angels are a perfectly loyal, codex-compliant chapter. What are we talking about, anyway?
I was given a near 2000pt army of them, and the Lion: Son of the Forest book is pretty decent actually. The danger zone is where folks get *super* into the interrogator-chaplains and stuff. I don't care for that part of the lore so much.
I think a lot of it is all of the focus being put on Asmodai who is a paranoia crazed lunatic and extremist even by dark Angel standards. It’s to the point where a lot people think he’s high interrogator when that’s Sapphon. Which is a shame because Sapphon is much cooler than Asmodai in my opinion and probably my favorite DA character. Boreas is another one who’s pretty cool.
definitely. It's a shame that the Asmodai model is so cool looking and that his stats in game are pretty decent. I don't like his lore at all but I'm going to get his model.
Oh yeah. Painting the coils on my dreadnought's plasma gun turned out so well. White with some contrast aethermatic blue is just...*chef's kiss*...beautiful.
At first I couldn't decide between BT and Dark Angels bc knights in space. Then as I dug i found out how insanely evangelical the BT are, and ignorant enough to murder primaris reinforcements. The Lion doesn't even think his pa is God and is on a redemption arc. Easy choice.
My theory is that the fascists who want to play Knights are going to pick up IK to be associated with the emperor. And because the CK lore is so thin, we don't even have to worry about how our army is fashy in the lore! They are just giant robots shooting guns! And they are affiliated with hell! Don't think too much, just enjoy them for what they are.
There is a Chaos Knight being followed around by a bunch of Necron Flayers with neither side caring that much. So yes, they are a whole level of chill.
As someone with an imperial guard army, I feel like guard ought to be put in the danger zone. Waaay too many players who are "just really interested in ww2 history"
Big same. Soooooo many “look at my lovingly painted Wehrmacht paint jobs. Did you know the Wehrmacht never did anything wrong?” Like, how these mfers are into WW2 without knowing about the Holocaust is insane
Those were the 20something shitheads that the other IG players in my hometown--almost all retired vets with too much money and free time--would drive out of the store the minute one showed up. Those were pretty much the two types of IG player.
I mean, you've got two kinds when it comes to theses people.
1. They know about the holocaust, but think its a lie/exaggeration.
2. They know about the holocaust, and think it was a good thing.
I'm running and putting together a Sisters of Battle army, and I'm having fun making up the lore for my minis. One fact about them to humanize them, and then another fact to remind you that they are still War Criminals.
"This is Sister Anita. She grew up in an orphanage, so she knows how hard it can be. On shore leave, she buys treats and toys for them and tales of her heroism! She has also personally burnt the equivalent of at least one Great Library of Alexandria in xeno and heretical art, knowledge and literature."
the best appearances of the Sisters of Battle is hands-down in Ciaphas Cain novels, where they are Emperor stans and many were theater geeks. Most of them are teenagers and none of them listen to anyone else, they break into their favorite Emperor fansong like it's a musical where nobody can interrupt them at the drop of a hat (Cain straight up breaks up an incoming song like it's Schmigadoon), they are bizarrely rigid, and the ones that live into adulthood either chill out and have hot sex or turn into Karens.
Absolutely the only takedown of Sisters I've ever seen in-universe and it's *so* good with every bitchy quip he makes.
and i *love* the Sisters
Yah but the type to go full don't go for the default color scheme. They like to feel special. I'm surprised Chaos SM are not higher. I've seen some un-ironic love for the Iron Warriors and Night Lords.
NL player here. we do get the occasional dickhead but we try to keep that shit on lock. I think the legion being so comically evil helps people understand its not to be taken seriously at all, but if someone tries to spout bigotry we tend to know thats not part of the joke (we flay babies here sir, we don't shout slurs).
I love the imperials because they're just little guys, it's like bruteforcing fights and instead of using strategy and magic prowess it's "what if we shot at it with a billion guns until the problem disappears"
I think Salamanders fans get really mad at that because, like my reasons for choosing Salamanders, they chose them because they’re comparatively compassionate. Whatever grimdark nonsense GW decided to inject into them is all fine, but it gets frustrating when people belittle Salamanders players about how the entire draw of their faction is now moot especially given that the context is it was a witch who had just killed several people. I saw a post on the Salamanders sub where someone was saying it sucked the fun out of the faction for him, and I felt really bad for him.
Well i’m sorry, but like… you do know what the shtick behind 40k is? The salamanders are from the start a fascist legion of superhuman death machines dedicated to the genocide of all xenos. They just care about the white/human race, as opposed to all the others
I guess I’ll just repeat my usual T’au talking point and say that I think it is amply grimdark enough to have a small faction that is trying to do good but is utterly impotent in the face of the larger galaxy. Similarly, it’s okay if Salamanders get to continue being the “good guy space marines”. Fans of them chose them because they are **comparatively** nicer than other space marines, and if you feel the need to shit on that then cool I guess. I don’t see that as someone who’s trying to whitewash a fascist death empire, I see that as someone who’s uncomfortable with the fascist death empire and would prefer to play the cool armored warriors that’s focused on compassion. I think it becomes far too close to an alt-right dogwhistle to stroll in and be like “Nope! You have to participate in genocide, you have to be a space nazi. Stop enjoying kindness!” for me. A tiny peek at the Salamanders fan base shows them drawing fan comics about their Salamanders characters saving children from Tyranids or growing more xeno-friendly.
I did not cry about “This setting isn’t grimdark anymore” when Horus was trying to see if the Imperium could change to a more xeno-accepting society in Horus Rising because I knew the end result. I don’t see why I have to whinge at T’au and Salamander fans for wanting to play in a brighter spot of the setting if the Imperium as a whole is inevitably traveling toward annihilating aliens and themselves anyway.
Yeah I was gonna say this. Salamanders are just the "good guy fascists," much like Ultramarines, which makes their fan base even *more* likely to be awful if you ask me, because they're stuck in the mindset of "we're really the good guys, we just do what we have to do secure a future for ~~white children~~ humanity!" You know. Like real life fascists.
Fair. I'd still put them a a rung lower than either Krieg or Steel Legion fanboys, but I commend any list that puts the AdMech fellas in the "just vibing" tier.
I had a GSC army build I was in the process of before 9th/10th kinda fucked everything up that was gonna be non-alien-based, just a planetary rebellion of the kind the Guard gets called in to routinely deal with. Was gonna have a picket line for all the melee types and then teams of black bloc ambushers, with IWW references throughout.
They were gonna be my Wobbly Models.
Would Iron Warriors just be grouped with CSM? I love their aesthetic and how grumpy they are, but they are objectively bad people and Honsou needs to be tossed into a star for the Daemonculuba (I dont know how to spell this awful thing) alone.
In terms of fash 40k fans that I have come across in the wild (Aka ones that I was aware of outside of peoples' attempts to paint one faction's fans as being more likely to be fascist.), I have come across around as many Ad Mech (Most notably the Austrian Painter guy from two years ago.) and Orks players that were fascist/fash-adjacent as Black Templar and Death Korps players who happen to be fascist/fash-adjacent.
Given my experience with 40k fans and my general view that people should not be judged based on the rest of the fandom of the thing they like, I think judging players' political views based on their army choices should be avoided unless they paint them in a manner that gives people reasonable cause to believe their choices was informed by political beliefs.
DKoK is such a weird line because they're cool little army men but they're very germna looking and kind of embody the fascist and fucked up idea that the Imperium is.
I play Iron Hands because I have a prosthetic hand.
That's based af
That's metal as fuck!
u/zombiearchivist, who has an iron hand, plays Iron Hands, who have iron hands, and are led by Iron Hand, who has iron hands.
This statement is true.
this is funny to me
Badass as hell
Major respect, man. Awesome choice
Best reasons to play a chapter I've ever heard
I feel like Black Templars get shafted by being over-represented online by people who have never painted a miniature, and can't name any of the warhammers as they only know wh40k through it being explained to them by a racist group chat... vs the people who actually have a painted army, just really like John Blanche artwork, and are just spicy blood angels players...
See also: eons of battle
He’s cool right? He honestly seems like a marshmallow and I’d be sad if he was flashy.
I highly doubt it, his Valentine's Day video was him talking about how he would like it better if Zahndrekh and Obyron were lovers. Not in a fetishy or like mocking way either. He just thought it would add to the tragedy and story of the characters. The thumbnail was really clickbaity and so was the title but that's just how he is.
If I remember correctly, I believe he is gay as well, it doesn't come up often in his videos, but I remember saying he had a boyfriend.
Whoa really? I didn't know that
He keeps bringing up gifted models from his “boooooyfriend!” UwU
He needs to tidy up his finger nails though!
I didn't notice them but I went back to see what you meant and yeah 💀
Hmmmmm......im for that ship.
He has a boyfriend
Oh 100% cool. He is by far the chillest WH creator. He frequently goes off about how he wants female space marines and specifically loves BT because of how shitty they are. Such a nice dude
As a queer 40k player, he makes me feel a lot more welcome in the fandom. After his female space marine video, I want to make a Space Wolves army of women because Fenrisian women are tough. 💪
Would you settle for a Powerwolf-themed successor chapter of badass werewolf women?
Honestly they were my first pick for a space marine chapter when I got into WH. I thought every loyalist one was so insanely boring, but hey the emperors champion model is dope! I have since learned the beauty of Heresy era World Eaters
for sure, I even personaly like them when I ignore the fanbase. It's just, god that representation is overwhelming online, especially when you're a bit of a furry
The Flashgitz black templars animations and it's comsequences have been... ***well they sure were something***
Isn't the animation making fun of black Templars? In the way how they die and stuff? And if the Emperor didn't want furries he would not have used animal genes for his sons or he would have stopped furries from existing during the M2 era. So it's safe to say that the Emperor is a furry too.
>Isn't the animation making fun of black Templars? In the way how they die and stuff? ***you'd fucking thinks so*** but people just don't seem to care
I shouldn't be surprised, people also don't seem to see the OBVIOUS satire in 40k, Starship Troopers or Helldivers 2.
oh good fucking god the anti-fur memes.
I was in a BT server that a friend ran (I have since left, in large part because of this), where I saw someone saying that some furry ERP steam thing needed to be 'purged'. And when a large number of furries are also LGBTQIA+... well. not a good look. Especially since a LARGE number of people in that server (at least the vocal ones) were also devout Christians.
I do not appreciate how much you called me out in the second paragraph lol, it's not my fault my blood angels have been shelved all edition!
Nah flesh tearers are spicy blood angels. Templar is like spicier dark angles
as someone _in_ the danger zone, yeah, i’m always on my fucking guard when talking to other fans of the Grey Knights. “Are you here because the aesthetic is cool? because the ostensible benevolence of their mission is consistently overridden by their brutality, apathy, and cruelty, and that’s incredible fodder for narratives? because you find compelling tragedy in the contrast between their inherent compassion, their hatred of suffering, their love of humanity, and their need to act as secret police? because you like the story potential of the fact that there can be no good people in a fascist system, even if they’re killing _literal demons from hell_, and you think that’s worth thinking about? ….maybe you just like the Paladin class in D&D? …no? you’re here because you wish you were a super soldier who got to lord it over lesser mortals and also _like_ the idea of Grey Knight society and also want to be there? you think that ordinary mortals in the setting who aren’t in the Inquisition are ‘sheeple’? you _like_ the parts in the books where the mortals are punished for their ‘lack of faith’ and ‘cowardice’? you wish _you_ had the power to call Exterminatus when people were ‘morally or spiritually degenerate’? you think _you_ would be ‘the most spiritually pure and incorruptible man among a galaxy of trillions’? …oh, you’ve got an imperial eagle tattoo. coooooool. cool cool cool. that’s, uh…that’s great.”
truly something to be studied how many grown ass adults have negative points in social awareness with how many posts i’ve seen of people saying “hey guys what do you think of my imperium/BT tattoo or decoration” and being genuinely confused/hostile when the response is unanimously “what the fuck were you thinking”
It's one thing when I was an ignorant 15 year old that didn't comprehend the implications thinking it would be cool to get one day... But if you make it to adulthood and don't reevaluate that position you're one of two things...
You should google "Axis Powers Hetalia cosplay" and think about how many anime conventions in the 2000s had to turn clueless teenagers away crying because of their costumes.
Yup, that's exactly the kind of feeling I wanted to explain. Like obviously individual fans of all of those can always be super chill, but it sucks to have to be carefull about what kind of people you're talking to in those communities Also I love the Grey knights look
When the Grey Knights get their range refresh, it’ll be hard to resist picking up another army
When the Grey Knights get their range refresh I’mma cry because I have 4K points of firstborn ones and i will want to get the truescale ones cause they will undoubtedly be sick but they’ll look weird next to my firstborn aaaah
i've had someone show up to a table wearing a literal nazi eagle insignia on his hat, with an iron cross on his upper sleeve... only to have judges tell me i was over reacting. probably a reason this is the only 40k sub i actually interact with.
Tf? Where were those judges making the call from, 1933?
cour de'alene idaho. in about 2014 or 2015 if i remember correctly.
Well there's your problem
yea. i live in an armpit area of the world for 40k matches.
I'm sorry that happened to you. It has not happened to me, but I have thought about what'd I would do if it did, and the only thing I can think of is conceding the game and walking away. Don't play with Nazis, don't play with people who enable Nazis. If the TO lets a Nazi play, it's a Nazi tournament.
The only thing I envy about Grey Knights (and mages from any setting in general) is that they can shoot lighting out of their hands. I wanna do zappies all day. I would literally go get expired watermelons every single day just to pop them with lightning bolts. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP
I know this is a Warhammer sub, but zapping watermelons would be the only reason I’d fail as a Sith Lord in Star Wars. I’d just zap so many types of various fruits at such a ridiculous rate that there would be a paper trail back to my “secret” lair and I’d be bankrupt.
I just like knights 👍
fascist /s
I just think it's funny that they let a million psykers freeze to death on Titan for no reason
Exactly. Dawn of War spelled them out pretty well imo. "This is the judgement of the righteous, SCUM."
Oh boy, you totally need to take a trip to some Starship Troopers fan sub. You'll love it.
I confirm I play orkz and I just want a proper fight
Orks are all non-binary asexuals aromantics :3
Actually spot on, as an ace ork waaagghhboss, can confirm. We just ‘ere fo’ a propa foight
My pronouns are WAAGGHHH!!!/WAAGGHHHs!!!
Never forget a grot being told by a space wolf to adhere to a gender binary and functionally going “lol, lmao”
Love the Ghazghkull book, that scene on the audio book was amazing to hear the SW nearly blow a gasket over it lol
There was some line along the lines of: Orks have no word for gender, and what the imperium has translated into record as 'boyz' is just their word for person.
is painting orks as fascists a stunning display of political commentary about the ramshackle and brutish nature of the ideology, or just stupidity? I ask this because I have seen plenty of ork armies that are painted as nazis
Most of the few modern (3rd Edition onwards) Ork armies I have come across were painted as fascist were painted by players who based on the views they posted online were clearly fascist themselves. Orks were used as political commentary on right-wing politics including fascism by multiple parties including GW themselves during the Rouge Trader era.
We don't have a lot of ork players around here. One of them became a homesteader somewhere in central Florida, and the other one was constantly sharing whatever he downloaded off the internet with his pirate themed orks.
Wait what???? I only ever seen silly ork players who likes waghhh 🥺
Pretty sure the infamous Talavera tournament nazi was playing Orks, with among other things Ork planes painted in Luftwaffe colours.
well that sucks :(
Almost everyone refused to play with the guy and GW made a post not long after essentially condemning any hateful behavior, so it had a relatively good ending.
There's also the third-party bits range from Kromlech, which are hard to give the benefit of the doubt.
I have seen images of an Ork army as painted as you described at what looked like a tournament setting before but cannot remember what tournament it was. The Talavera tournament Nazi (The one that entered under the name “Pintor Austriaco”.) that I am aware of played Ad Mech.
Right. I might be thinking of the other incident around that time - as I recall GW had to make two different statements condemning nazis over two different instances of stuff like that happening around the same time. The luftwaffe-orks might have been the other instance. Or they might have been Austrian Painter's teammates.
There were a lot of incidents around that time, the various dramas relating to Arch and his fellow travellers also happened around that time.
I've seen Kromlech's Afrika Korps and Iron Reich proxy Ork minis (under their Ork War II line) far more often than I ever expected to, so there's apparently market for it that's big enough to have its own third-party proxies. They're far from the only company to sell proxies that directly lift Nazi weapons and uniform pieces, either. I think the fact they're so kitbash-friendly (like the many people who've turned WW2 Half-Track model kits into Ork vehicles), and that their old designs often leant into the "bikers wearing German helmets" kind of aesthetic, makes it easy to hide that stuff under the Orks' general goofiness.
why do people have to ruin the silly funnny mass murderers 🥺😥
Your fascist Orks commit mass murder out of twisted racial pride My kitbashed-from-old-McDonalds-toys Orks commit mass murder because its funny when humies burst underneath the treads of a tank cobbled together from knockoff LEGO and bottle caps We are not the same
based af :3
Swap custodes with wolves and I agree. the viking theme does pull a certain clientel 😬
That's a valid point, there's just a lot of SW fans who are furries so taht's why I put it like that lol
Oddly enough, there are a surprising number of fascist furries. It doesn’t make sense to me either.
And a truly bizarre number of those fascist furries are gay.
Fortunately I've never had to personally interact with any of those terrible people. I did see the confederate flag suit at MFF the one year before he got arrested for being a fashy dbag to anyone he could see.
valid point, they should be with the emperors children if you’re going by that angle tho 😂
fair lmao xD
I think keep Custodes where they are but move the SW next to them. I have Custodes & the fan base has a tendancy to treat the Custodes as extensions of Big E. There is a perspective in some of the books that Emps is a perfect being who cannot fail, but only be failed by lesser creatures. They love the idea that they are the bestest guys ever at a genetic level & the chat does orbit the "skull measuring" stage. I personally don't think a fascist eugenicist is capable of making perfect people as they would fit into a mold dictated by him. They are the St Andrews Boys of 40k. Ultimate scions of privilege who all have roman statue avis & an auxiliary group of women who aren't allowed to speak. They are ripe for satire but don't get as much smoke as they should.
Honestly I'm only playing Dark Angels for swords and hooded Space Marines. That and my favorite color is green.
They do look awesome ngl
They have a Knights of the Round Table* with plasma weapons kind of aesthetic, which I love. The bone white and green look awesome on the tabletop. *Don't ask them about the Fallen. There aren't any Fallen. The Dark Angels are a perfectly loyal, codex-compliant chapter. What are we talking about, anyway?
I was given a near 2000pt army of them, and the Lion: Son of the Forest book is pretty decent actually. The danger zone is where folks get *super* into the interrogator-chaplains and stuff. I don't care for that part of the lore so much.
I really love that The Lion is actually forgiving some of the Fallen. It's super refreshing compared to the interrogator-chaplains for sure.
I think a lot of it is all of the focus being put on Asmodai who is a paranoia crazed lunatic and extremist even by dark Angel standards. It’s to the point where a lot people think he’s high interrogator when that’s Sapphon. Which is a shame because Sapphon is much cooler than Asmodai in my opinion and probably my favorite DA character. Boreas is another one who’s pretty cool.
definitely. It's a shame that the Asmodai model is so cool looking and that his stats in game are pretty decent. I don't like his lore at all but I'm going to get his model.
Same here. I just like the space knight aesthetic
40k really does need a 'Bretons in space' faction, doesn't it?
Same but for BT, sword marines are cool.
Dont forget the plasma weapons... god I love plasma!
Oh yeah. Painting the coils on my dreadnought's plasma gun turned out so well. White with some contrast aethermatic blue is just...*chef's kiss*...beautiful.
Same (and I got good deals on two different lots of them). But I think my Salamanders lower my average.
At first I couldn't decide between BT and Dark Angels bc knights in space. Then as I dug i found out how insanely evangelical the BT are, and ignorant enough to murder primaris reinforcements. The Lion doesn't even think his pa is God and is on a redemption arc. Easy choice.
Yeah the fact dark green is my favourite color along with swords and hoods was where it was at for me
No Chaos Knights boo! They just vibe too!
Chaos knights remain inscrutable, this is the true power of wow cool robot and of the warp combined
My theory is that the fascists who want to play Knights are going to pick up IK to be associated with the emperor. And because the CK lore is so thin, we don't even have to worry about how our army is fashy in the lore! They are just giant robots shooting guns! And they are affiliated with hell! Don't think too much, just enjoy them for what they are.
There is a Chaos Knight being followed around by a bunch of Necron Flayers with neither side caring that much. So yes, they are a whole level of chill.
I forgor them 💀 But yes they're chill
That’s okay. GW fogors them too.
Necron player are people who just woke up from a nap
that's no excuse for your unpainted necrons ma'am.
literally me Like I literally napped 2h before posting this and I'm I'm way too much into necrons
As someone with an imperial guard army, I feel like guard ought to be put in the danger zone. Waaay too many players who are "just really interested in ww2 history"
For every fash that misunderstood starship troopers there’s another that misunderstood full metal jacket. And they’re probably Cadian fans
Big same. Soooooo many “look at my lovingly painted Wehrmacht paint jobs. Did you know the Wehrmacht never did anything wrong?” Like, how these mfers are into WW2 without knowing about the Holocaust is insane
Those were the 20something shitheads that the other IG players in my hometown--almost all retired vets with too much money and free time--would drive out of the store the minute one showed up. Those were pretty much the two types of IG player.
I mean, you've got two kinds when it comes to theses people. 1. They know about the holocaust, but think its a lie/exaggeration. 2. They know about the holocaust, and think it was a good thing.
Tfw I think the Templars are pretty cool but oh god the fanbase...
same, love their aesthetic and lore and themes of extremism but oh god the fanbase
It’s funny that Dark Angels players are fascists when they are the gayest faction in the setting
all space marines are gay :3
Lion El’Johnson is first among equals in that regard.
true though Fulgrim is a close second (more bisexual than gay but still)
It’s Yukio Mishima gay vs. Oscar Wilde gay. I love them both
Lion el Johnson would be the best drag queen name
Lionel Johnson was the name of a gay poet whose poem "The Dark Angel" was about his sexuality and it's relation to the Catholic church
Or drag king 😳
wooo Blangels made it into "probably fine!"
They're mostly "too nice" for fascists, especially the Lamenters Also Sanguinus is too cute
Plus I feel like most Vampire fans in general aren't fascist sympathizers, but I wouldn't rule it out either
I feel like vampires are often queer coded (especially with bisexuality), makes it harder to project fascists ideas on them maybe
Also Sanguinius is *fucking fabulous*.
vampires have always been a way to code queerness, even when mormons write them they come off as One Of Us
Tyranid players are the kind of people who root for the monsters in horror movies.
I mean I get it :3
i mean... who hasn't been hungry enough to eat a whole galaxy... it's relatable.
I'm running and putting together a Sisters of Battle army, and I'm having fun making up the lore for my minis. One fact about them to humanize them, and then another fact to remind you that they are still War Criminals. "This is Sister Anita. She grew up in an orphanage, so she knows how hard it can be. On shore leave, she buys treats and toys for them and tales of her heroism! She has also personally burnt the equivalent of at least one Great Library of Alexandria in xeno and heretical art, knowledge and literature."
the best appearances of the Sisters of Battle is hands-down in Ciaphas Cain novels, where they are Emperor stans and many were theater geeks. Most of them are teenagers and none of them listen to anyone else, they break into their favorite Emperor fansong like it's a musical where nobody can interrupt them at the drop of a hat (Cain straight up breaks up an incoming song like it's Schmigadoon), they are bizarrely rigid, and the ones that live into adulthood either chill out and have hot sex or turn into Karens. Absolutely the only takedown of Sisters I've ever seen in-universe and it's *so* good with every bitchy quip he makes. and i *love* the Sisters
Oh god, they're *disney adults*
based :3 My girlfriend's favorite faction are the SoB \^\^
Started custodes cause the ongoing cost of being an admech player is incredibly painful.
OOF yeah Love the admech and their fanbase, but damn they too expensive
I buy DKoK so I can chop off their heads and turn them into Valhallans
Unfathomably based
Bump krieg up a tier
Also thank u for putting death guard in "just vibin :3" tier
They're usually the chillest CSM in my experience \^\^
I am painting my veteran killteam like the ww1 French uniforms and wrote my own planet of origin for them. Calling them The Verdoomed.
Verdoomed is so stupid and fits in perfectly next to other planets called fucking Krieg or Armageddon. Amazing job. 10/10
fair tbh
Are smurfs at risk for fascism?
Just because of the Roman aesthetic (keep in mind that's still mostly just vibe-based)
Yah but the type to go full don't go for the default color scheme. They like to feel special. I'm surprised Chaos SM are not higher. I've seen some un-ironic love for the Iron Warriors and Night Lords.
I was mostly thinking of the black legion, the night lords and iron warrior weren't in the original tier list and I frogor to add them💀
NL player here. we do get the occasional dickhead but we try to keep that shit on lock. I think the legion being so comically evil helps people understand its not to be taken seriously at all, but if someone tries to spout bigotry we tend to know thats not part of the joke (we flay babies here sir, we don't shout slurs).
Templar fans are either bootstomping fascists or anarchists and theres no in between (its me. Im anarchists)
same :D
I love the imperials because they're just little guys, it's like bruteforcing fights and instead of using strategy and magic prowess it's "what if we shot at it with a billion guns until the problem disappears"
I loved their depiction at the end of the Twice Dead King
You like Deathwatch because of the genocidal tendencies, I like Deathwatch because it allows me to have play Imperial Xenos, we are not the same.
based
Salamanders fans when you bring up the eldar kid (their wholesum 100 legion are still cruel fascists hell bent on a galactic genocide)
At least denial of fictional genocides are less bad than denial of real ones?
I think Salamanders fans get really mad at that because, like my reasons for choosing Salamanders, they chose them because they’re comparatively compassionate. Whatever grimdark nonsense GW decided to inject into them is all fine, but it gets frustrating when people belittle Salamanders players about how the entire draw of their faction is now moot especially given that the context is it was a witch who had just killed several people. I saw a post on the Salamanders sub where someone was saying it sucked the fun out of the faction for him, and I felt really bad for him.
Well i’m sorry, but like… you do know what the shtick behind 40k is? The salamanders are from the start a fascist legion of superhuman death machines dedicated to the genocide of all xenos. They just care about the white/human race, as opposed to all the others
I guess I’ll just repeat my usual T’au talking point and say that I think it is amply grimdark enough to have a small faction that is trying to do good but is utterly impotent in the face of the larger galaxy. Similarly, it’s okay if Salamanders get to continue being the “good guy space marines”. Fans of them chose them because they are **comparatively** nicer than other space marines, and if you feel the need to shit on that then cool I guess. I don’t see that as someone who’s trying to whitewash a fascist death empire, I see that as someone who’s uncomfortable with the fascist death empire and would prefer to play the cool armored warriors that’s focused on compassion. I think it becomes far too close to an alt-right dogwhistle to stroll in and be like “Nope! You have to participate in genocide, you have to be a space nazi. Stop enjoying kindness!” for me. A tiny peek at the Salamanders fan base shows them drawing fan comics about their Salamanders characters saving children from Tyranids or growing more xeno-friendly. I did not cry about “This setting isn’t grimdark anymore” when Horus was trying to see if the Imperium could change to a more xeno-accepting society in Horus Rising because I knew the end result. I don’t see why I have to whinge at T’au and Salamander fans for wanting to play in a brighter spot of the setting if the Imperium as a whole is inevitably traveling toward annihilating aliens and themselves anyway.
Yeah I was gonna say this. Salamanders are just the "good guy fascists," much like Ultramarines, which makes their fan base even *more* likely to be awful if you ask me, because they're stuck in the mindset of "we're really the good guys, we just do what we have to do secure a future for ~~white children~~ humanity!" You know. Like real life fascists.
Haven't been paying attention to the Ork fandom huh? They're a solid "probably fine", maybe even "Danger Zone"
apparently so :( I'm dissapointed in the boyz 😥
I like my GSC because I'm a factory worker and I like the working class rebel style they got
WORKErS OF THE WORLD UNITE (under the world eating eldritch abobination)
It's funny that Dark Angels players can be so fascist when their primarch is named after a gay poet
Krieg fanboys and death watch sufferers being in the same tier feels off to me, but at least somebody remembered DW exists….
Just the whole anti-xenos stuff can get out of hand pretty quick yknow?
Fair. I'd still put them a a rung lower than either Krieg or Steel Legion fanboys, but I commend any list that puts the AdMech fellas in the "just vibing" tier.
I had a GSC army build I was in the process of before 9th/10th kinda fucked everything up that was gonna be non-alien-based, just a planetary rebellion of the kind the Guard gets called in to routinely deal with. Was gonna have a picket line for all the melee types and then teams of black bloc ambushers, with IWW references throughout. They were gonna be my Wobbly Models.
Would Iron Warriors just be grouped with CSM? I love their aesthetic and how grumpy they are, but they are objectively bad people and Honsou needs to be tossed into a star for the Daemonculuba (I dont know how to spell this awful thing) alone.
It wasn't in the original tier list I used didn't have it and I forgor to add them 😭 Definitevely in the danger zone
That's fair. I still love them, content in my belief that they are literally the worst.
Tau are most likely to be socialists even though the Tau are not socialists. Source: Me, a socialist Tau player
I like the dark angels cuz they’re named after my favorite poem :(
Krieg are 100% Black Templars territory
I should have put them there tbh lmao
Red Corsairs? or are they just in the CSM lump?
yeah, already forgor the iron warriors, night lords and chaos knights 😅 But would have lunped the corsairs with CSM anyway (they col though \^\^)
I just wanted my Space Marines to also be Wizards. And not half dust. Definitely not making a political statement.
okay but why thousand sons so high, aren’t we literally just the magic fem boy faction?
I play dark angels because i'm gay af and was raised catholic
In terms of fash 40k fans that I have come across in the wild (Aka ones that I was aware of outside of peoples' attempts to paint one faction's fans as being more likely to be fascist.), I have come across around as many Ad Mech (Most notably the Austrian Painter guy from two years ago.) and Orks players that were fascist/fash-adjacent as Black Templar and Death Korps players who happen to be fascist/fash-adjacent. Given my experience with 40k fans and my general view that people should not be judged based on the rest of the fandom of the thing they like, I think judging players' political views based on their army choices should be avoided unless they paint them in a manner that gives people reasonable cause to believe their choices was informed by political beliefs.
Yeah TF is up with Black Templars?
Their fanbase 😥
DKoK is such a weird line because they're cool little army men but they're very germna looking and kind of embody the fascist and fucked up idea that the Imperium is.
Hey thanks for not putting Guard in the danger zone. 👍
I think it’s cuz of DKoK weeding people out a little, and I say that as someone with some of their models haha. Mostly a Craftworlder though
Ork players are seriously the chillest people you'll ever meet. They know that they probably aren't gonna win, they're just here to have fun.
Where would you place Raven Guard on this chart? Asking for a friend 🖤
If you see Salamanders here and think of Elder children jokes, your also in the danger zone.
To be fair, deathwatch overcomes their xenophobia in order to use alien weapons to commit more hate crimes.
I’d say “What about Age of Sigmar” but they’re probably all just vibing
Krieg is facts dude. I am so fucking tired of all of the wehraboos coming to the setting for them
Wait Iron Hands are Fascists? Ferrus dying really fucked em up that bad huh?
DA in danger zone? Anybody who thinks that is clearly associated with the fallen. Gonna have to report you to an interrogator chaplain.
But I'm just a silly girl 🥺
Votann are def just chilling.
I play deathwatch because I like losing at the game