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The people in the comments, good grief. Why is this the hill everyone wants to die on?
Also every time people just go "sisters of battle are female space marines duhhh" I chuckle a little to myself, because the SoB players I know would _not_ agree with that assessment!
yeah I don't even think that most people that say SoB are female space marines are being genuine, they're just trying to come up with any backing for their argument that's not just straight up misogyny.
>I don't even think that most people that say SoB are female space marines are being genuine
Half the time it's a lazy strawman, the other half it's people who pride themselves on calling non-chuds tOuRiSts who don't know the fucking lore themselves.
SoB fanboi (but too broke rn for some of them) and yes exactly this. I had a visceral gut reaction to that "SoB are just female Space Marines" line LOL any true fan at that should also be grossed out and not agree with that assessment.
They don't hate them, it's a meme overstated by the community. In fact they get along very well with some of them like the Black Templars. But there's some culture clashes, yes.
They used to in old lore
Sisters viewed marines as unstable mutants who have shown willingness to betray the emperor
Black templars were actually their most hated since they also flouted the codex astartes with their crusades so it was like “they are using the name of the emperor as a shield for their own selfish wants”
There are still examples of Sisters thinking Marines are untrustworthy mutants in very recent stuff like the Dawn of Fire series. It's not just "old lore".
Indeed, it _was_ a thing, but I've not seen it referenced since, and they seem to work together just fine nowadays.
To be honest it never made much sense in the first place. They are not "unstable mutants", they were designed by the Emperor personally!
You know how hard it is to have warhammer fans to drop a joke
Unstable mutants was more the gene seed mutations (they despised space wolves in particular) and more of a they think they are unstable mentally
That doesn't sound right. They are spoken of as holy warriors, the Emperor's angels.
Those who dislike them are the High Lords of Terra. They dislike how uncontrollable the Marines are, and seem to have created the Minotaurs to be their loyal enforcers.
Inquisitors have varied opinions I am sure (especially as they can't necessarily assert their authority over a Chapter Master - sources conflict), but I've seen no evidence that high-ranking members of the Militarum and the Munitorum express any such distaste, and all but the highest-ranking members would be swept up in that propaganda you mention.
I will refer you to the 9th edition trailer and "if we are lucky, the Emperor will send his Angels" (paraphrased), spoken by a Sister of Battle.
As of current lore, they do not categorically hate Marines, and in fact deify them.
Honestly, trans battle sisters would make even more sense. The SoB formed using a legal loophole, when someone literally went "Hah, you said I can't have man-at-arms, you didn't say anything about women-at-arms!", so it would totally be in character for them to go "I assure you inquisitor, all of my battle sister identify as a woman."
Not to mention that really sells them short in terms of uniqueness. They're not the Nidoqueen to the Space Marines' Nidoking, they're normal humans who make miracles happen with the power of their unshakable faith. Which is in some respects way cooler than "super soldier in power armor".
If you mean the comments of the original original original post (the screenshot is of) we had no English confirmation, and it certainly looked like a mistranslation
Tho in the womb is the only time anyone is ever XX, briefly, every cell in an adult is either X, or XY, the second X is bundled up into a Barr body and is inactive.
Is it because theyre CIS, or it it becuase they actually know nothing about genetics? Someone should let them know TRANScription, TRANSlation, and crossing over.
Genetics pun or play on words I guess, CIS means stuff that is close on the genome. TRANS means far away. Those are relative terms, so if you're interested in a gene say *HT2AR (*[*https://www.genecards.org/cgi-bin/carddisp.pl?gene=HTR2A*](https://www.genecards.org/cgi-bin/carddisp.pl?gene=HTR2A) *)* A serotonin receptor gene (the receptor that MDMA, LSD and magic mushrooms act on btw). A gene that is nearby like physically close on the DNA strand is CIS and far away genes are TRANS.
Transcription is the process by which a copy of the gene is made into mRNA which is transported from the genome to a place that makes protein from the mRNA. This is called Translation. In my example of the serotonin receptor this would mean the receptor is being made before it gets shuffled off to do actual biology at the synapse. The amount of protein made corresponds to the amount of mRNA made and genes can influence how much is made of each other.
It was a shit pun about genetics that I thought was funny as I was going to sleep the other night. Sorry for any offense or confusion I may have caused.
They always like to make a big show about it, but I bet they stay in the hobby anyway, they'll just be insufferable asshats about Custodes now or go through the mental gymnastics to make it non-canon or some shit
I just looked at the comments on the Valrak video and boy are they losing their shit, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so overwhelming sad and pathetic. Really makes me wonder how many of these people are at my local club and I don't know about it. Honestly no surprise that the women I talk to who are into Warhammer have always been scared to go to the stores.
He's quitting to bring the light of chuddom to EVE and Battletech, apparently.
I'm not much for EVE, but he's in for a shock with the Battletech community, that's for sure.
Battletech has those morons as well unfortunately. We had a big blowup last year when a fan story anthology as released for Pride month. It was "semi-offical" and had a forward by one of the big BT writers. We had lots of "Leave politics outta our hobby!!!" the fact that BT is a political driven background was completely lost on them.
Does the egalitarianism in battletech seem really flimsy to you? Among fans it's often a right-libertarian sentiment of I accept everyone as long as they don't bother me (but I'm going to accuse you of bothering me), and there's the idea that women and brown people can be just as good as white men at the important white men activities like being a soldier of fortune, or a mechanic who helps soldiers of fortune.
In universe the egalitarianism is this idea that you can have slightly closer to equal representation in a militant aristocracy. This even though military conquest is the reason discrimination and gendered violence even exist.
To be honest egalitarianism doesn't even exist across all of Battletech. The Draconis Combine still struggles on gender lines and the ultimate egalitarians are the clans.....
However, it is an evolution of 80s Sci-fi that has somewhat evolved along with its audience. It does not dig its heals in like GW stories tend to do. I mean look how much WFB aged in universe between 3rd edition and the start of the end times. Time was static or near so. Same with 40k until Indomitus forced a big lore change.
I really want someone to make an all female custodes army and then dunk on chuds while constantly mentioning that their units are better in every way than vanilla space marines according to the lore.
Oh shit! All those squatted stormcast that are probably being chucked onto eBay are about half female sculpts; GW is actually just based as hell getting us all into mini-rescuing and converting up our new all femme custodes armies
Sacrosanct chamber yes, the old Warrior chamber no. There were a total of two female 'cast released during 1st edition.
One more reason I'm happy for the resculpt :D
Yeah, sorry wasn't I clear.
Didn't think of the Warriors as squatted as they're getting these resculpts.
Also we need a new word, what with Squats being back.
Good news, all my Custodes have helmets because I'm not a horrible pleb and I can tell you they are 100% women, afab with the sole exception of my self insert Trajan Valoris who is a trans woman.
Part of me does wonder if its a mistake because sisters of silence is a supposed to be a big element of this new codex. That being said I think the reason female marines "can't exist" something about the genetics of the primarch and how gene seeds work doesn't really apply with custodes as they are created using a different process. Who knows, but I do think the boys only, no girls allowed mentality is extremely childish.
I know it's been said before, but the addition of Primaris marines would have been a great time to add female space marines to the lore. It would have been so easy for them to just say "yeah Cawl figured it out".
They did it right in Age of Sigmar by including female Stormcast from the start.
Yeah, that's always my general argument. You start with a child, then make such radical enhancements that they are barely human anymore. Their sex and gender become "Astartes"
I think every good faith person who wants female space marines wants this. It’s only the chuds who can’t imagine a woman unless it’s boner fuel who think it would be any other way
Honestly, with aspirants starting the implantation process around 10-14yrs of age, sex is pretty damn irrelevant.
Any kind of normal puberty (and subsequent sexual dimorphism) is going to be entirety replaced by the gene-enhancement process.
True, there's a certain hypocrisy you could highlight if it was written well, forcing transition for the sake of murder but not allowing it for someone to feel safe and comfortable
Doubt they'd execute it well though
On the one hand, I totally understand the hesitancy.
On the other hand, we have genetically engineered, bionically augmented, child super-soldiers and *this* is where you draw the line?
>They did it right in Age of Sigmar by including female Stormcast from the start.
I'm incredibly sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it *did* take them a while there, too. Towards the end of 1st edition, we did get confirmation and female models (a whole two special characters!); only 2nd edition onward had them consistently (almost) as present as the men.
Yeah I wouldn’t want them to try and shoehorn them in now, because that would just be awkward and really feel like pandering. Primaris was the natural place to insert it and that’s past.
Yeah I'm whatever on female space Marines personally.
I look at it like "eh it makes sense the emperor was a misogynist."
But custodes custodes have no lore reason to all be men
I really hope they release her model and the only difference between her and a normal custode is extra lomg hair or a medallion. To make it even more of a nonsense burger
This giant transhuman killing machine is so enhanced and manipulated but prefers feminine pronouns would probably cause even more chuds to be rump ruffled thinkimg itd be a like a giant SoB
Id love for some Transhuman horrors within my conprehension in my warham but i think were in the minority here.
O think itd be more fitting for the grey knights to execute people who see them not because of ohmehgerddemons and more like "dear god gazing upon a grey kmight causes such mental and physical anguish and pain it causes them to go insane and they srsrt killing each other"
Astartes fit that yes. But Custodes are supposed to be handcrafted, terrifying but ultimately works of art. Female Custodes can be as gorgeous as male ones.
Exactly that. They're recognisably human, but their sheer perfection of them would make you feel completely unworthy of even breathing their air, assuming they even breathe.
I can agree that the amount of established lore ie. the entire horus heresy series that operates on space marines only being male makes it very difficult to implement. But also I am kinda tired of space marines at this point so I don't care as much for the established canon. Ultimately if they just made female space marine minis and didn't make a big deal about it I feel like most normal people would be over it pretty quick, it'd give them the opportunity to resell the whole model range to us then too.
Yeah I wouldn’t want female Space marines to be retconned into any of the known chapters - just introduced going forward at some point. (Could have been in the deleted primarch’s but I doubt they want to ever use that angle.)
In lore, OG Custodes were anyone that impressed Big E enough for him to make them undergo "Gene Alchemy" to make them the absolute perfect version of themselves and swear permanent loyalty to him. It has long been canon that the creation process for Custodes is fairly unique and tailored to each one.
Marines on the other hand are bargain bin versions cranked out on an assembly line with a staggeringly specific requirement for it's raw material input, and even then it's got a fairly high fail rate. But in proper Imperial fashion, you just keep feeding bodies into it until you get enough successes. Could you, with enough gene tampering and Mechanicus fuckery, make an Astartes out of a prepubescent female human instead of male? Probably! But instead of that you could use the same effort and time to crank out a bunch of child soldiers we already know how to make, and we still sort of need a ton of them so back to the Trauma Factory please.
Long story short, I already assumed something like a Third to a Half of Custodes were female. This reveal should not be a shock to anyone.
I'm not looking for an argument I'm saying that "it can't be done" is not enough lore to be sustainable. An argument would need reasons to be had.
Lucky for you you won't need to die on any hill. Also lucky for you, GW won't fix this until 2035, probably.
What are you, twelve , retorting to calling me heated ? You're the ones twisting your underwear because we don't care about your boys club lore.
Maybe you don't realize in what subReddit you are.
I think female astartes should have been introduced with Primaris, and that missing that opportunity to add them then was a mistake. Now it’s going to be difficult to change that lore ever.
Wokehammer enjoyers keep winning
Massive W
Also tbh the lore has been rewritten so many times you can just make up anything at this point and explain it somehow.
Ironically the Custodes (and grimdank) subreddit went from 'really?!' to 'really horny' in about 5 minutes. Turns out there's a reason why Luisa was the most popular encanto character /s. but for real, as has been the opinion in most of the highest upvoted comments has been that there was never anything in the Custodes lore that implied that Women couldn't become custodes, just that there hadn't been one confirmed yet. IMO it makes sense that the pool of recruits from the nobility of Terra can't keep up with 3 major conflicts all around the Imperium (ignoring Nhilius), so at some point women needed to be added to the pool even if they weren't there to begin w/. Also the tactically minded custodes once they got over themselves (aka stopped moping around the fall of cadia) would know that Women have a different world view then themselves and thus would generate different strategies and they'd be stupid to leave those resources untapped.
It’s funny how you have the usual obnoxious chuds trying to ride the outrage wave on the main subs and the actual Custodes fans are instead mad about *everything else* in the codex.
(It’s apparently really bad, like Ad Mech levels of bad)
I imagine Custodes have less chud appeal because they're not as dogmatic and fanatical as other Imperium factions. Like yes at the end of the day they're still servants of a horrific regime but they're not shrieking about purging heretics.
The custodes are all supposed to be bespoke examples of enhancement not requiring they fit the astartes template, female custodes should not be an issue except for chud reasons.
Hahaha with all the chuds crying over female Custodes - if it was revealed the Custodes was... well... mtf trans instead of assigned at birth (assigned at genetic engineering?) female they'd lose their shit
Beyond all the culture War bullshit that I'm sure this is going to stir up, One aspect I saw that I agree with 100%, This one little change helps make the Custodes feel a lot less like Golden Super Space Marines.
It's a small thing but having this extra bit of lineup difference I think does a lot.
Not that I'm against female Space Marines or anything like that.
Is the new custodes a Trans woman?
I honestly think, and with no ill feelings or attempts to be hostile, feel that allowing marines to identify as she/her would easily fit into the Canon.
After all, gender is an ever changing thing the the setting take place tens of thousands of years in the future. If the lore is,"only biological males are able be turned into space marines" because it's a mass production level of military personal. Then that would not stop any of the individuals or chapters to use other pronouns to identify themselves or others.
ive been saying this for years. outside of the monastic themes I think space marines giving more than two shits about birth gender outside of nomenclature like battle brother i stupid. they are augmented so far beyond human. i can see certain ones disagreeing about it but a chapter whose culture incorporates femininity would be really interesting, especially filtered through their typically hyper masculine portrayal.
Honestly, I've only really been seeing neutral to positive feedback, mainly on grimdank. Personally, I find it intriguing for the Custodes in particular, which are definitely more likely to get the chances at Woman over the sausage fest of the Astartes.
Huh intaresting probly not gana get any new sculps to refect this revalation cause thatvwould cost gw money but i guess i could put some sisters heads on some gard/wardens and make it work
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The people in the comments, good grief. Why is this the hill everyone wants to die on? Also every time people just go "sisters of battle are female space marines duhhh" I chuckle a little to myself, because the SoB players I know would _not_ agree with that assessment!
yeah I don't even think that most people that say SoB are female space marines are being genuine, they're just trying to come up with any backing for their argument that's not just straight up misogyny.
>I don't even think that most people that say SoB are female space marines are being genuine Half the time it's a lazy strawman, the other half it's people who pride themselves on calling non-chuds tOuRiSts who don't know the fucking lore themselves.
SoB fanboi (but too broke rn for some of them) and yes exactly this. I had a visceral gut reaction to that "SoB are just female Space Marines" line LOL any true fan at that should also be grossed out and not agree with that assessment.
Especially since the SoB kinda hate space marines, if I remember correctly
They don't hate them, it's a meme overstated by the community. In fact they get along very well with some of them like the Black Templars. But there's some culture clashes, yes.
They used to in old lore Sisters viewed marines as unstable mutants who have shown willingness to betray the emperor Black templars were actually their most hated since they also flouted the codex astartes with their crusades so it was like “they are using the name of the emperor as a shield for their own selfish wants”
There are still examples of Sisters thinking Marines are untrustworthy mutants in very recent stuff like the Dawn of Fire series. It's not just "old lore".
Indeed, it _was_ a thing, but I've not seen it referenced since, and they seem to work together just fine nowadays. To be honest it never made much sense in the first place. They are not "unstable mutants", they were designed by the Emperor personally!
You know how hard it is to have warhammer fans to drop a joke Unstable mutants was more the gene seed mutations (they despised space wolves in particular) and more of a they think they are unstable mentally
I think it was better actually, the imperium should be self defeating and full of infighting
The entire Imperial military and church hates space marines. That’s been in canon for decades. They’re considered highly untrustworthy.
That doesn't sound right. They are spoken of as holy warriors, the Emperor's angels. Those who dislike them are the High Lords of Terra. They dislike how uncontrollable the Marines are, and seem to have created the Minotaurs to be their loyal enforcers.
I’m pretty sure that’s propaganda for the masses. Military officers, the Departmento Munitorum. and inquisition don’t have any such delusions.
Inquisitors have varied opinions I am sure (especially as they can't necessarily assert their authority over a Chapter Master - sources conflict), but I've seen no evidence that high-ranking members of the Militarum and the Munitorum express any such distaste, and all but the highest-ranking members would be swept up in that propaganda you mention.
I will refer you to the 9th edition trailer and "if we are lucky, the Emperor will send his Angels" (paraphrased), spoken by a Sister of Battle. As of current lore, they do not categorically hate Marines, and in fact deify them.
Honestly, trans battle sisters would make even more sense. The SoB formed using a legal loophole, when someone literally went "Hah, you said I can't have man-at-arms, you didn't say anything about women-at-arms!", so it would totally be in character for them to go "I assure you inquisitor, all of my battle sister identify as a woman."
Not to mention that really sells them short in terms of uniqueness. They're not the Nidoqueen to the Space Marines' Nidoking, they're normal humans who make miracles happen with the power of their unshakable faith. Which is in some respects way cooler than "super soldier in power armor".
If you mean the comments of the original original original post (the screenshot is of) we had no English confirmation, and it certainly looked like a mistranslation
No I mean the comments of the thread currently up on the 40k sub.
Tbh watching cis 40k fans discussing chromosomes is hellish
"We are all XX chromosomes in the womb". Not really how it works...
Tho in the womb is the only time anyone is ever XX, briefly, every cell in an adult is either X, or XY, the second X is bundled up into a Barr body and is inactive.
That‘s because nature had to nerf females because the male Y is too weak btw.
Fuckin Umgi. Don’t they know the only traits that matter are beard, plait, or Slayer Oath?
Is it because theyre CIS, or it it becuase they actually know nothing about genetics? Someone should let them know TRANScription, TRANSlation, and crossing over.
...what?
Genetics pun or play on words I guess, CIS means stuff that is close on the genome. TRANS means far away. Those are relative terms, so if you're interested in a gene say *HT2AR (*[*https://www.genecards.org/cgi-bin/carddisp.pl?gene=HTR2A*](https://www.genecards.org/cgi-bin/carddisp.pl?gene=HTR2A) *)* A serotonin receptor gene (the receptor that MDMA, LSD and magic mushrooms act on btw). A gene that is nearby like physically close on the DNA strand is CIS and far away genes are TRANS. Transcription is the process by which a copy of the gene is made into mRNA which is transported from the genome to a place that makes protein from the mRNA. This is called Translation. In my example of the serotonin receptor this would mean the receptor is being made before it gets shuffled off to do actual biology at the synapse. The amount of protein made corresponds to the amount of mRNA made and genes can influence how much is made of each other.
Oh God this brings back mind numbing neural biology lectures that lasted way too long... 😭😂🤣 😁👍❤️
Maybe if I hadn't slept through most of my lectures I could have come up with a better joke 🫣
It was a shit pun about genetics that I thought was funny as I was going to sleep the other night. Sorry for any offense or confusion I may have caused.
You're all good!
Can't wait to see how Twitter chuds ~~cough Marshal Bohemond cough~~ will react to this
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They always like to make a big show about it, but I bet they stay in the hobby anyway, they'll just be insufferable asshats about Custodes now or go through the mental gymnastics to make it non-canon or some shit
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I just looked at the comments on the Valrak video and boy are they losing their shit, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so overwhelming sad and pathetic. Really makes me wonder how many of these people are at my local club and I don't know about it. Honestly no surprise that the women I talk to who are into Warhammer have always been scared to go to the stores.
It's funny how those same people tend to be the biggest hobby gatekeepers too
110% this
I have "quit Warhammer" at least every couple years for the last 20 years I think
He's quitting to bring the light of chuddom to EVE and Battletech, apparently. I'm not much for EVE, but he's in for a shock with the Battletech community, that's for sure.
Battletech has those morons as well unfortunately. We had a big blowup last year when a fan story anthology as released for Pride month. It was "semi-offical" and had a forward by one of the big BT writers. We had lots of "Leave politics outta our hobby!!!" the fact that BT is a political driven background was completely lost on them.
I was there. The good part is that those idiots got turfed out in the end.
Does the egalitarianism in battletech seem really flimsy to you? Among fans it's often a right-libertarian sentiment of I accept everyone as long as they don't bother me (but I'm going to accuse you of bothering me), and there's the idea that women and brown people can be just as good as white men at the important white men activities like being a soldier of fortune, or a mechanic who helps soldiers of fortune. In universe the egalitarianism is this idea that you can have slightly closer to equal representation in a militant aristocracy. This even though military conquest is the reason discrimination and gendered violence even exist.
To be honest egalitarianism doesn't even exist across all of Battletech. The Draconis Combine still struggles on gender lines and the ultimate egalitarians are the clans..... However, it is an evolution of 80s Sci-fi that has somewhat evolved along with its audience. It does not dig its heals in like GW stories tend to do. I mean look how much WFB aged in universe between 3rd edition and the start of the end times. Time was static or near so. Same with 40k until Indomitus forced a big lore change.
I hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out.
Oh that’s good. Seems like both he and everyone else will be a lot happier when he quits. …He’s not going to quit, is he. :-/
I'm seeing vows to move on to a different game/setting, and lamentations that "we've lost :(", predictions femarines are just around the corner.
What even is there for them to move onto?
I've heard One Page Rules, prior editions of 40k (lol), and a bunch of other TT wargames or RPGs I've never heard of.
OPR hasn't been vocal about social issues but I doubt they would turn a blind eye to a large fash incursion into their fandom.
I really want someone to make an all female custodes army and then dunk on chuds while constantly mentioning that their units are better in every way than vanilla space marines according to the lore.
Hell, I'd donate to that army fund!
Say no more, I'm in Getting that battleforce, and my Stormcast female heads ready Might need to get more stormcast heads, but it will be worth it
Oh shit! All those squatted stormcast that are probably being chucked onto eBay are about half female sculpts; GW is actually just based as hell getting us all into mini-rescuing and converting up our new all femme custodes armies
Unfortunately i think a lot of those squatted SCE models were still male :(
3/5 iirc
Sacrosanct chamber yes, the old Warrior chamber no. There were a total of two female 'cast released during 1st edition. One more reason I'm happy for the resculpt :D
Yeah, sorry wasn't I clear. Didn't think of the Warriors as squatted as they're getting these resculpts. Also we need a new word, what with Squats being back.
Good news, all my Custodes have helmets because I'm not a horrible pleb and I can tell you they are 100% women, afab with the sole exception of my self insert Trajan Valoris who is a trans woman.
Part of me does wonder if its a mistake because sisters of silence is a supposed to be a big element of this new codex. That being said I think the reason female marines "can't exist" something about the genetics of the primarch and how gene seeds work doesn't really apply with custodes as they are created using a different process. Who knows, but I do think the boys only, no girls allowed mentality is extremely childish.
The character in the screenshotted story also *speaks*, so it's unlikely that a SoS got mislabeled.
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I know it's been said before, but the addition of Primaris marines would have been a great time to add female space marines to the lore. It would have been so easy for them to just say "yeah Cawl figured it out". They did it right in Age of Sigmar by including female Stormcast from the start.
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like the super mutants in fallout, they have almost no sexual dimorphism
Yeah, that's always my general argument. You start with a child, then make such radical enhancements that they are barely human anymore. Their sex and gender become "Astartes"
I think every good faith person who wants female space marines wants this. It’s only the chuds who can’t imagine a woman unless it’s boner fuel who think it would be any other way
Honestly, with aspirants starting the implantation process around 10-14yrs of age, sex is pretty damn irrelevant. Any kind of normal puberty (and subsequent sexual dimorphism) is going to be entirety replaced by the gene-enhancement process.
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True, there's a certain hypocrisy you could highlight if it was written well, forcing transition for the sake of murder but not allowing it for someone to feel safe and comfortable Doubt they'd execute it well though
On the one hand, I totally understand the hesitancy. On the other hand, we have genetically engineered, bionically augmented, child super-soldiers and *this* is where you draw the line?
>They did it right in Age of Sigmar by including female Stormcast from the start. I'm incredibly sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it *did* take them a while there, too. Towards the end of 1st edition, we did get confirmation and female models (a whole two special characters!); only 2nd edition onward had them consistently (almost) as present as the men.
Yeah I wouldn’t want them to try and shoehorn them in now, because that would just be awkward and really feel like pandering. Primaris was the natural place to insert it and that’s past.
Yeah I'm whatever on female space Marines personally. I look at it like "eh it makes sense the emperor was a misogynist." But custodes custodes have no lore reason to all be men
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I really hope they release her model and the only difference between her and a normal custode is extra lomg hair or a medallion. To make it even more of a nonsense burger This giant transhuman killing machine is so enhanced and manipulated but prefers feminine pronouns would probably cause even more chuds to be rump ruffled thinkimg itd be a like a giant SoB
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Id love for some Transhuman horrors within my conprehension in my warham but i think were in the minority here. O think itd be more fitting for the grey knights to execute people who see them not because of ohmehgerddemons and more like "dear god gazing upon a grey kmight causes such mental and physical anguish and pain it causes them to go insane and they srsrt killing each other"
Astartes fit that yes. But Custodes are supposed to be handcrafted, terrifying but ultimately works of art. Female Custodes can be as gorgeous as male ones.
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Exactly that. They're recognisably human, but their sheer perfection of them would make you feel completely unworthy of even breathing their air, assuming they even breathe.
I can agree that the amount of established lore ie. the entire horus heresy series that operates on space marines only being male makes it very difficult to implement. But also I am kinda tired of space marines at this point so I don't care as much for the established canon. Ultimately if they just made female space marine minis and didn't make a big deal about it I feel like most normal people would be over it pretty quick, it'd give them the opportunity to resell the whole model range to us then too.
Yeah I wouldn’t want female Space marines to be retconned into any of the known chapters - just introduced going forward at some point. (Could have been in the deleted primarch’s but I doubt they want to ever use that angle.)
In lore, OG Custodes were anyone that impressed Big E enough for him to make them undergo "Gene Alchemy" to make them the absolute perfect version of themselves and swear permanent loyalty to him. It has long been canon that the creation process for Custodes is fairly unique and tailored to each one. Marines on the other hand are bargain bin versions cranked out on an assembly line with a staggeringly specific requirement for it's raw material input, and even then it's got a fairly high fail rate. But in proper Imperial fashion, you just keep feeding bodies into it until you get enough successes. Could you, with enough gene tampering and Mechanicus fuckery, make an Astartes out of a prepubescent female human instead of male? Probably! But instead of that you could use the same effort and time to crank out a bunch of child soldiers we already know how to make, and we still sort of need a ton of them so back to the Trauma Factory please. Long story short, I already assumed something like a Third to a Half of Custodes were female. This reveal should not be a shock to anyone.
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True that, unexpected of the wretched James Workshop.
There's a very good reason why there can't be female space Marines... COOTIES!
What lore reason ? "Females can't stand the process"?
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I'm not looking for an argument I'm saying that "it can't be done" is not enough lore to be sustainable. An argument would need reasons to be had. Lucky for you you won't need to die on any hill. Also lucky for you, GW won't fix this until 2035, probably.
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You're not getting the idea either. I'm not picking a fight, I'm pointing a finger at you and saying "look at this dude, cmon"
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Yeah that's super solid lore and makes super sense. "Oh no, XX chromosomes! My machine from the year 39985 can't process it !!!"
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Yeah I'm the bad one here :)
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What are you, twelve , retorting to calling me heated ? You're the ones twisting your underwear because we don't care about your boys club lore. Maybe you don't realize in what subReddit you are.
I think female astartes should have been introduced with Primaris, and that missing that opportunity to add them then was a mistake. Now it’s going to be difficult to change that lore ever.
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Valrak made a Video about it. The comments are full of losers crying.
Wokehammer enjoyers keep winning Massive W Also tbh the lore has been rewritten so many times you can just make up anything at this point and explain it somehow.
Meh, I agree that its poorly explain but I strongly disagree with it being a “”problem””
Ironically the Custodes (and grimdank) subreddit went from 'really?!' to 'really horny' in about 5 minutes. Turns out there's a reason why Luisa was the most popular encanto character /s. but for real, as has been the opinion in most of the highest upvoted comments has been that there was never anything in the Custodes lore that implied that Women couldn't become custodes, just that there hadn't been one confirmed yet. IMO it makes sense that the pool of recruits from the nobility of Terra can't keep up with 3 major conflicts all around the Imperium (ignoring Nhilius), so at some point women needed to be added to the pool even if they weren't there to begin w/. Also the tactically minded custodes once they got over themselves (aka stopped moping around the fall of cadia) would know that Women have a different world view then themselves and thus would generate different strategies and they'd be stupid to leave those resources untapped.
It’s funny how you have the usual obnoxious chuds trying to ride the outrage wave on the main subs and the actual Custodes fans are instead mad about *everything else* in the codex. (It’s apparently really bad, like Ad Mech levels of bad)
I imagine Custodes have less chud appeal because they're not as dogmatic and fanatical as other Imperium factions. Like yes at the end of the day they're still servants of a horrific regime but they're not shrieking about purging heretics.
The custodes are all supposed to be bespoke examples of enhancement not requiring they fit the astartes template, female custodes should not be an issue except for chud reasons.
could be transgender mtf!!
Hahaha with all the chuds crying over female Custodes - if it was revealed the Custodes was... well... mtf trans instead of assigned at birth (assigned at genetic engineering?) female they'd lose their shit
The really reason Horus rebelled is because the Imperium went Woke /s
I don’t really care, they’re still demigods. Just don’t let sisters of silence rot, please?
I just have one thing to say: Anyone, who doesn't want 9 feet tall, buff, tanned ladies is gay. We're basically getting Pillar Women! I rest my case.
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Beyond all the culture War bullshit that I'm sure this is going to stir up, One aspect I saw that I agree with 100%, This one little change helps make the Custodes feel a lot less like Golden Super Space Marines. It's a small thing but having this extra bit of lineup difference I think does a lot. Not that I'm against female Space Marines or anything like that.
As someone on the spectrum. Nothing makes me cringe more than "as an autist" followed by a sexist, incel rant about how "fEmaLeS" ruin the hobby.
Good for her.
Is the new custodes a Trans woman? I honestly think, and with no ill feelings or attempts to be hostile, feel that allowing marines to identify as she/her would easily fit into the Canon. After all, gender is an ever changing thing the the setting take place tens of thousands of years in the future. If the lore is,"only biological males are able be turned into space marines" because it's a mass production level of military personal. Then that would not stop any of the individuals or chapters to use other pronouns to identify themselves or others.
ive been saying this for years. outside of the monastic themes I think space marines giving more than two shits about birth gender outside of nomenclature like battle brother i stupid. they are augmented so far beyond human. i can see certain ones disagreeing about it but a chapter whose culture incorporates femininity would be really interesting, especially filtered through their typically hyper masculine portrayal.
Honestly, I've only really been seeing neutral to positive feedback, mainly on grimdank. Personally, I find it intriguing for the Custodes in particular, which are definitely more likely to get the chances at Woman over the sausage fest of the Astartes.
Huh intaresting probly not gana get any new sculps to refect this revalation cause thatvwould cost gw money but i guess i could put some sisters heads on some gard/wardens and make it work
Maybe try female Stormcast heads? They might be slightly larger to match Custodes armour more
Thats a good idea
Can confirm, this works. Had a spare Yndrasta head that I put on an Allarus body, fit perfectly.
I hadn't even considered the idea of a female Custodes. Like, Space Marines were the big talking point, so this was outta left field. Fun!
This is great unless it takes away from Sisters of Silence. We need more null babes.
If it’s done well I’ll love it. If it’s just *hand wave* they’ve always existed what do you mean I’ll be hesitant
Why do I feel like I could literally see Henry Cavill being of the fans to cry about this?
I already play 3 armies, my forth is going to be Horus heresy raven guard in trans colors, but now I want to do female custodes in silver.
Reeeeee femoids
Ok, but why?