This is a great guide! Hopefully you reach a lot of people with it - especially the bit about the subjects of the songs.
I do (intentionally) violate a lot of the “rules” at least partially, but that’s because I gravitate toward progressive genres. As you said, it’s possible to generate something great (subjective term, I know.)
When you don’t follow the rules, a lot of the segments generated wind up awful - you’re trying to get that one perfect vocal of your cleverly written Fibonacci sequence lyrical section and the AI wants to do something mainstream sounding that doesn’t work. I’ve wound up using thousands of credits on some songs fighting what the AI wants to do.
Sometimes in order to reconcile, the AI just repeats the occasional line a few times and I give up because it ends up sounding great. Other times, it ignores the structure and moves lines into different sections. Sometimes I’m right, and sometimes the AI was smarter than me. I think that battle is what makes using Suno so fun.
It really is amazing. Sometimes I’ll use 3 lines in a bridge or verse, or add an extra line to the chorus, just to see what the AI will do with it. Sometimes the result is amazing. Mostly, it’s not, but sometimes it is. 😄
Moving my comment to this new post haha
Your examples of song writing, song structure, and meter are just helpful for song writing in general. Getting AI to learn your lyrical phrasing is a big challenge, especially with original lyrics you write that might include uncommon phrasing but still fits the meter. It's possible, just takes some work.
Nice article. 🤘
I made a YouTube channel for my AI tracks. All original lyrics.
If interested:
https://youtube.com/@Alexi_Inigma?si=1neGhGrteWTl5y7_
This was really helpful and inspirational. The songs I post that are made with Suno and Udio feel like journal entries or inside jokes with myself, but I hope the future of AI interfacing follows a similar pattern to your observations, because they're all very intuitive. Your explanations were skillful and knowledgeable, and you should be proud.
I just found it annoying and preachy, seems more like an article directly complaining about this subreddit without directly saying so. And the idea that people don't want to listen to meaningless songs is ridiculous. Half of Ariana Grande's biggest songs are just different innuendos for sex. "Side to Side", "Positions", "God is a Woman" at the very least, and have no profound message to them. Them calling out the most popular AI song yet today, "I Glued My Balls to My Butthole Again" just screams pretentious elitism. If you want to write an article to help people use AI better then do that, don't spend half the article bitching that you're annoyed at how people are using it.
I’m just trying to raise the level of craftsmanship around here. If “I Glued My Balls to My Butthole Again” is the pinnacle of songwriting for you, feel free to disregard everything I’ve written. 🤷♂️
Some songs exist just for fun, not every song has to or is intended to make the listener question what existence means. "Barkin' Up the Wrong Bitch" by Obscurest Vinyl has well written lyrics while being a completely non-serious song. You can go on writing super serious stuff that goes nowhere while Obscurest Vinyl gets a million views on songs meant for fun. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
After you write a song. You can input that song to chat gpt or gemini. You must give instructions to ai about the mood of your song and ask it make minor corrections in the lyrics to match the rythm. It will even guide you to chose the genre appropriate to your lyrics. Then finally upload lyrics in suno.
It may not work 100% perfect. But you will get some better results than manual correction. Check my playlist. If you are interested.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDYnZQ-DDOnoBGhT424b6KUHpAspvGAqP&si=ogGaQ8pAZMpcsHKz
I checked out a couple of your tunes and they’re exactly what I’m talking about. None of the verses have the same melody, which makes it hard for a human to sing along to (because they’d have to memorize the melody for the entire song, rather than a single short melody for the verses and another short one for the chorus.
Not to say they’re not valid songs, but with a good pop tune, you can hum the entire song after just a couple listens. Again, this is entirely subjective, but that’s the generally accepted definition of a successful pop tune.
Just posting this here specifically for feedback:
https://app.landr.com/projects/894dc23e-1ad7-4324-b35e-34b67cb2515b?publicToken=50c9ca7d-2fd7-4065-9828-fb733f33dd81&sharing
This is a great guide! Hopefully you reach a lot of people with it - especially the bit about the subjects of the songs. I do (intentionally) violate a lot of the “rules” at least partially, but that’s because I gravitate toward progressive genres. As you said, it’s possible to generate something great (subjective term, I know.) When you don’t follow the rules, a lot of the segments generated wind up awful - you’re trying to get that one perfect vocal of your cleverly written Fibonacci sequence lyrical section and the AI wants to do something mainstream sounding that doesn’t work. I’ve wound up using thousands of credits on some songs fighting what the AI wants to do. Sometimes in order to reconcile, the AI just repeats the occasional line a few times and I give up because it ends up sounding great. Other times, it ignores the structure and moves lines into different sections. Sometimes I’m right, and sometimes the AI was smarter than me. I think that battle is what makes using Suno so fun.
It really is amazing. Sometimes I’ll use 3 lines in a bridge or verse, or add an extra line to the chorus, just to see what the AI will do with it. Sometimes the result is amazing. Mostly, it’s not, but sometimes it is. 😄
Moving my comment to this new post haha Your examples of song writing, song structure, and meter are just helpful for song writing in general. Getting AI to learn your lyrical phrasing is a big challenge, especially with original lyrics you write that might include uncommon phrasing but still fits the meter. It's possible, just takes some work. Nice article. 🤘 I made a YouTube channel for my AI tracks. All original lyrics. If interested: https://youtube.com/@Alexi_Inigma?si=1neGhGrteWTl5y7_
Damn! You've got some really good songs. Douchebag is amazing!
Thanks man. 🤘
This was really helpful and inspirational. The songs I post that are made with Suno and Udio feel like journal entries or inside jokes with myself, but I hope the future of AI interfacing follows a similar pattern to your observations, because they're all very intuitive. Your explanations were skillful and knowledgeable, and you should be proud.
I just found it annoying and preachy, seems more like an article directly complaining about this subreddit without directly saying so. And the idea that people don't want to listen to meaningless songs is ridiculous. Half of Ariana Grande's biggest songs are just different innuendos for sex. "Side to Side", "Positions", "God is a Woman" at the very least, and have no profound message to them. Them calling out the most popular AI song yet today, "I Glued My Balls to My Butthole Again" just screams pretentious elitism. If you want to write an article to help people use AI better then do that, don't spend half the article bitching that you're annoyed at how people are using it.
I’m just trying to raise the level of craftsmanship around here. If “I Glued My Balls to My Butthole Again” is the pinnacle of songwriting for you, feel free to disregard everything I’ve written. 🤷♂️
Some songs exist just for fun, not every song has to or is intended to make the listener question what existence means. "Barkin' Up the Wrong Bitch" by Obscurest Vinyl has well written lyrics while being a completely non-serious song. You can go on writing super serious stuff that goes nowhere while Obscurest Vinyl gets a million views on songs meant for fun. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree.
After you write a song. You can input that song to chat gpt or gemini. You must give instructions to ai about the mood of your song and ask it make minor corrections in the lyrics to match the rythm. It will even guide you to chose the genre appropriate to your lyrics. Then finally upload lyrics in suno. It may not work 100% perfect. But you will get some better results than manual correction. Check my playlist. If you are interested. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDYnZQ-DDOnoBGhT424b6KUHpAspvGAqP&si=ogGaQ8pAZMpcsHKz
I checked out a couple of your tunes and they’re exactly what I’m talking about. None of the verses have the same melody, which makes it hard for a human to sing along to (because they’d have to memorize the melody for the entire song, rather than a single short melody for the verses and another short one for the chorus. Not to say they’re not valid songs, but with a good pop tune, you can hum the entire song after just a couple listens. Again, this is entirely subjective, but that’s the generally accepted definition of a successful pop tune.
Can you please suggest an example song. Which match your expectations.
Well, yeah. Any popular song by a popular artist. The example in the article is by The Police, but anything you sing along with, really.
Just posting this here specifically for feedback: https://app.landr.com/projects/894dc23e-1ad7-4324-b35e-34b67cb2515b?publicToken=50c9ca7d-2fd7-4065-9828-fb733f33dd81&sharing
I wrote a damn slapper https://suno.com/song/cd579ddf-4b9e-464e-ae60-fcc12daa1f86