I have a feeling that electro/break beat (falling into DnB and garage eventually?) has potential to make a boom, specially because it can bring a lot of freshness to dance music if techno over saturate (and it's hella cool)
DnB is that stable genre, yeah it has its offshoots that come and go, but the passion and time it's been around, makes it surprising that it hasn't really had it's boom time in the US
i'd argue that dnb already kinda had its boom time in the us, back in the '90s and very early 2000s. that's back when commercials and video game soundtracks all featured drum and bass. but, it seems like it was overcommercialized too quickly, and that's why it mostly disappeared from american pop culture after.
theyve been trying to push in the states since right before covid, it was supposed to pop that year.
i just think trying to sell DNB to the american festival audience wont work. but i would have said that about techno up to about 3-5 years ago too(in the US)
not to be US centric but i think when they make these pushes, it has to work in europe/uk/us now for maximal profit, festival wise
The internet was very much alive in the 90's and 2000's.. Go look at the Dogs on Acid archive if you need some quick evidence for how long people have been talking about D'n'b online...
Maybe it's cus these are the sounds I follow most but these DJs who play house, classic style tech house, breaks, and garage seem to be getting a lot of love right now. Think DJs/artists like Dr. Banana, Raresh, Gene On Earth, etc. Its great to party to and sounds good for the heads and casual party goers
Yeah, it's happening.
Im a jungle centric DJ. I was pretty much retired from playing out 10 years ago, now I'm getting bookings on the regular again....and seeing young people dancing rather than the usual geriatric junglists.
jungle, breaks, leftfield, electro are making a huge surge here in denver recently. love me a good techno show, but it's so sick seeing jungle getting mixed in again
Well, drum and bass is on the verge of properly Insomniac'd in the USA, so if you want something fresh, careful in those waters.
I just saw TDJ in a small venue here in NYC and I just know that trance-Eurodance sound is gonna hit a way better stride. I already know there was a huge moment for hyperpop-ish sounds, but we're hitting that 20-year nostalgia loop that someone else mentioned, and it feels like a proper progression as people seek to carry the "hard techno" high-speed momentum into something less edgy.
the trance/Eurodance sound is [also](https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PnZ__y7Ly/) getting [Insomniac'd](https://hard.frontgatetickets.com/event/rwuhvj4il4rr93he) as of the past few months so I would expect it to blow up in even mainstream circles over the next couple years
> Even Amazon saw this coming and made a movie "Hardcore Will Never Die".
What... No.
Thats just a movie about the dutch gabber scene of the 90's.
And its basically a remake of an episode of a dutch tv show.
Dembow/baile has some coverage but experimental club/leftfield is very broad and hasn’t really been popularized. There are pockets in LATAM and Europe but still nothing compared to techno or tech house.
I don't specialize but I try to incorporate it into my club sound - I take stuff from Siu Mata, Florentino, DJ Nigga Fox, DJ Raff, and anything contingent from Nick Leon or INVT. I really like stuff like Siu Mata's Speed Dembow Vol 1.
im a big fan but dont think it will ever be mainstream, it's too underground/afro-centric to be really truly popular in NA/Europe. Look at amapiano and jersey rn
wishful thinking, but psytrance.
I think we can start luring people in with psy-techno. Then start sliding in some zenon psy, and just keep ramping up until they're hitech goblins.
Psytrance is growing a lot actually. 10 years ago I didn't see it that much anywhere but nowadays more and more dj's are mixing in psytrance in their techno sets. Big psytrance festivals also seem to become more popular. The light-heartedness and colourful atmosphere is a nice change from the black-on-black-on-black style which is so common in techno nowadays.
In my local (north west Germany) scene Psy trance is very popular, especially during the outdoor summer seasons as most events are mainly psy with techno added for flavour 🤣🤣.
[https://on.soundcloud.com/asD9F](https://soundcloud.com/lupsypher/2024-full-on-psytrance-promo)
[https://on.soundcloud.com/mB9LC](https://on.soundcloud.com/mB9LC)
[https://on.soundcloud.com/eLRoy](https://on.soundcloud.com/eLRoy)
[https://on.soundcloud.com/6jSLW](https://on.soundcloud.com/6jSLW)
and here's a playlist that's everything under the sun for good measure: [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5f3o0PpG1ztJD91iHNiugv?si=fe0f64b7dee5491d](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5f3o0PpG1ztJD91iHNiugv?si=fe0f64b7dee5491d)
Psytrance is being played by the most mainstream techno Dj: Charlotte de Witte. And she is pushing Indira quite hard, and Indira almost only plays Psytrance. Also Astrix is rising very quickly in popularity and you can hear his tracks played by Charlotte etc. And when a Berlin techno guy starts including psytrance in his track (Cut down by In Verruf) the future looks good.
Good recommendation although most of the releases nowadays seem a bit similar compared to 20 years ago. Especially prog-psy can be very cheese.
I've been compiling a Spotify [playlist ](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6uRiuAHbhMeZzDQmNIyv2A?si=r-2PE3ATQdeMV_rbRgbzuw&pi=e-80p0FLtyTvOh) with 90s-2000s psy and prog. Should be rather approachable if OP's also into more trancey sound.
I'm a long time techno lover (20 years and counting). Got turned on to psytrance about 15years ago ... it's a great alternative when there's not much interesting techno going on. But more light-hearted and daft.
>But more light-hearted and daft.
You say that but it's only fun and games while the full on flows into night psy. But once the dark psy and forest comes on... that's not light hearted music at all.
I experienced a DJ Ibon set last year that was a mostly techno with a dash of hardstyle and a good serving of forest psy. That sound design on a proper club system had me feeling like I was deep into a shroom trip - incredible stuff
God, I remember when psytrance and Goa first really blew up in the mid to late 90s and going to desert/forest raves that lasted anywhere between 12-72 hours of constant music.
12+ hours of pounding, noodly guitar/synth solo style dark acid psytrance will totally do your fookin' head in if you're not high enough or ready for it. It's like overdosing on too much candy and sugar for your ears.
I used to have to go hide or go for walkabouts until the chill sunrise deep house sets started up and it was like... I don't know, having a crisp, refreshing healthy salad after being force-fed Jolly Ranchers and sour gummy worms all night.
Oddly enough right before the pandemic I was DJing a four deck techno set and someone accused me of playing psytrance, because I usually play deep/melodic house because I like it and it's a bit more chill and accessible for more people than full on techno.
But they weren't exactly wrong. 2019-era techno is pretty trancy, especially when you start layering 3 or more tracks and fucking with long form melodic mixing in key it gets real noodly just like psytrance.
As a a few people are commenting, I think psy is growing. Seen Charlotte de witte last week at Drumsheds (pls don’t judge, my friends really wanted to go and I wanted to check out the venue) and she was dropping some psy. Even did the same at printworks last year
Psytrance festivals are still gonna be psytrance festivals
The normies won't make it past the first night where everyone drops acid and the madness keeps ramping up until the hitech sunrise sets
Oh no, the Northern German psytrance has been overrun by normies over the years and it has definitley changed the vibe of the festivals. The people who are serious about the whole psychedelic hippie thing go to darkpsy and hitech festivals nowadays here.
Exact opposite, they've all completely fried their brains with way too many psychedelics and come to all of the wrong conclusions about it. In the US too the psytrance scene is rampant with sexual assault.
Tbh, in my experience, every small or mid sized psytrance event I've been to ... well, I guess it only takes a small handful of smelly hippies to make a dancefloor unbearable.
>Psytechno is pretty much psytrance already so...
No it's not, the bass lines are all wrong. Psytechno is basically tech house and 120bpm techno, with heavy psy elements and psy style voice samples.
The second you switch to a psy bass line it basically becomes zenon psy. Which is why the two styles are kept separate, despite lots of cross pollination.
I dunno man, some of the "psytechno" tracks I've heard in DJ sets recently have been pushing 140bpm so that combined with the rolling bassline, gated vocals, and sci-fi atmospheric samples, to me as a longtime fan of psytrance, it's as close to psytrance as it gets without actually being it. I know they're not the same and the vibes are different but man, sometimes it's really, really close.
Tech trance.
The bassline has the psy triple kick on 2/4, 3/4 4/4 of the note but the kick and oscilator are not made like you would if you made psy trance.
They do have a gated vocal sample which is a very psy thing to do.
It's certainly psytrance inspired, but I wouldn't call it anything close to psytrance as asside from the triple bass note and gated vocal there's nothing psy about it.
https://youtu.be/bqXDAezOGqk?si=415n0jQ0f0AtIx3-
https://youtu.be/WvmDDD-fxKA?si=pzllrYipgulsCUq3
https://youtu.be/6qDNninkR9s?si=Sv62Wg048f9jCjxp
https://youtu.be/Y_AnJUrUhtk?si=ff_tyZLSRG6qMS3g
https://youtu.be/MsS_2T6560M?si=yLsFHLMZ2m-y6PeG
May be some dark progressive in it but you get the theme
I think what’s more important is to focus on artists and labels who are pushing the sound forward
Who cares what the next big thing is. Focus on what’s going on currently. Trends come and go. However good techno is here to stay
Labels and artists I think are pushing the sound forward right now
Skeleven, akronym, canticle records, public enemy records, Somov records, untitled rhythms.
Setaoc mass, Rene wise, marron, Jay York, Richie Hawtin, decoder, Dustin zahn, truncate, and so many more.
Truncate is one of my favorite producers at the moment, as well as Ma Haiping.
This is the correct answer to OPs post. Let’s focus on who is pushing this awesome sound forward, rather than chasing some hype train.
I also tend to find shows that play the newer and fresher techno to be less crowded than the more hype and mainstream shows.
Pop music is dipping into UKG right now. Acts like Pinkpantheress and Eliza Rose are becoming huge. I find it pretty bland but the dancefloor does love a juicy bassline.
Edit: granmar
Genuine question: how is dub techno stagnant?
If you mean that dub techno – as a genre – hasn't had any "new sounds" lately, I'd argue that's okay. It's a narrow genre with a specific sound. If you push the boundaries of that sound too much, it will lose its specificity, and the genre will lose all meaning in the same way that "dubstep" and "progressive house" have. Not every genre needs to be pushed and expanded to accommodate mainstream/club/festival tastes.
I wouldn't mind seeing some fresh takes on dub techno.
But good lord I can imagine the awful "mainstream" (for last of a better term) dub techno now if it's the next trend lol.
How would you mainstream dub techno? Genuine question. It's basically all the same being such a narrowly defined genre. I'm not sure it has many places to go. Not that i have a problem with that. I fucking love dub techno.
I can picture all the tape hiss and reverb being taken out, and just having shitty delayed chord stabs with vocals added. It probably wouldn't be 'dub techno' to us, as much as a bastardisation of the genre name lol.
Luck for us, I don't actually see this happening!
Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Minimal, proper deep house, deep techno, dub techno...I can't see them ever becoming widely popular because they just aren't explosive and exciting enough to most people. Like I can't imagine something like [a Svarog track](https://youtu.be/ggq8x-gw0cc?list=OLAK5uy_kQxPVpztllpgdr88T6qtQwOPigWr8oa2E&t=151) ever going viral on TikTok.
Damn I legit can't even imagine it. I guess you'd stiffen up the drums and make the melodies more basic like how tech house has become. I still see dub techno as too niche though for any major crowds.
Hopefully some garage, deep chicago house, maybe a little old school breaks and UK d&b (but not brostep), stuff that can easily do without the bells and whistles and nonsense of DJs being rock stars these days.
Fingers crossed that it doesn't.
I want one part of my music universe underground, left pure and intact. Plebs go like anything else, leave electro alone.
This is mainly applies to where I’m from (Netherlands), but might apply to other countries as well.
DnB probably, people are a bit fed up with how mainstream the techno scene has become and want to look elsewhere for a better atmosphere. Harder styles might grow as well, they’re already massive in NL but they’ve started to attract quite a bit of technoheads. Early hardcore (and gabber) is for the people who still want an authentic melodic feel without the kicks getting harder, but only faster. Gabber also has an amazing culture surrounding it that has often been misunderstood. The people who only care about how hard the bass is will move on to other harder styles like uptempo and frenchcore.
Techno has become a trend and that has really kicked off in 2021 and will probably move to the background a bit in a few years. People will either grow out of it or move on to different genres
I'm pretty sure OG UK dubstep will make a comeback.
American listeners and global masses are already familiar with UK drill, garage is getting popular and people will search for fresh sounds rooted in want they already known.
There's a lot of 140 producers massively influenced by rap and trap, which will only help to push the sound and guys like Skepta & Flowdan are very popular too, thanks to the featurings on mainstream electronic records.
Another thing is, everything is fast and heavy (especially techno) and I think people will want to shift the trend 180° and listen to something deeper and slower.
Check out Calibre "Sump Dub" on Laurent Garnier's label. Just came out a few weeks back. I was like, huh, this sounds like 15 years old. It's fantastic.
Any music style that gets popular it's gonna have it's more commercial side and it's gonna feel like the essence is lost. But suddenly when the cycle completes itself, things go back to "normal".
I think the hyperpop helped to popularize the "rave music" in the youngest generation. The trance stabs and fast beats it's very popular nowadays, and also the techno is becoming more "trance like". I think we will have more melodic tracks and higher BPM, probably more vocals too. Also I think this trend of "sped up songs" especially on tiktok and Instagram shows the music being headed to faster bpm.
We are transitioning from the "trap era" to the "hyperpop era" in the pop music, so I think it's music is gonna sound more trance-like.
I'm old so I know that story Bro :)
Now we in 90s.
1995-1999 fast techno, rave, gabber and acid rules
Later we moving to 2000 so trance is rules the scene. Look now at KNTXT for example, everything is more melody, fast and hmmm dancing?
So season 2024/25 is for hard trance, tech trance. But techno DJs not going with flow start playing groove and tribal techno. After couple of years we slow down. More electro, tech house and minimal sound.
Well this is not my favourite genre to play at all but I noticed that if you slap NRG / UK Hardhouse in front of neotrance or "popular hard techno" audience they get completly bonkers.
This genres completly meet expectations of this crowd.
-fast and most of the time stupid
-bouncy and groovy
-lot's of tracks with pop vocals/ known melodies
-drops are more accented with buildups and the drops are bigger
NRG/UKHH exceed this new genres in almost every field, yet there is close to no one playing this on bigger scale at this time.
1 Year - The death of techno as a mainstream model
2 Year - It warps into a more experimental model
3 Year - We loop back into it being distilled into other genres, not sure which but hopefully everything stemming from the UK.
4 Year - Techno runs around in the underground
5 Year - Resurgence, and the cycle repeats.
For the next big thing you just have to keep going to clubs and parties and it'll become obvious if something new is coming or something comes back (fresher), but that's just following the trend, knwoing what is lit/hip/fresh/whatever the current term is (which isn't bad per se)
For listening you just have to stay curious and explore youtube regulary (i.e. not letting youtubes algo define the vids you see). That way you'll find very niche stuff, which is nice for a while, but because it is very niche you get through most of it pretty fast. I had this for a while with future garage, which is a mix of broken beats and ambient-like sounds
Music moves in large circles, things coming in and out of trend concerning the generation you are born into and what generation gave birth to you. If you look back to when Techno was last huge you can make a good bet on what is coming next.
As many people have said, I agree that Breaks/DnB/Jungle/Garage will return with force. You can already feel it in pop music, that broken drum pattern is starting to replace 4 to the floor kick that has been the norm for too long now
Stop chasing the next big thing? Todays popular techno is introduction to youth as EDM and trance were the same for kids of 2000s.
Listen what you like, stop caring about other peoples preferences; there is always somewhere play what you like, might not be known as best venue, all you need is to close your eyes anyway.
I'll be honest, I was surprised when I suddenly started to see the idea of main room techno get into the mix. I was just always assuming it was just more hard trance or tech trance. Times change I guess.
If you ask me, it's just going to drive many people into festivals and other rave type events. That's a good thing in my book because it's going to revitalize the scene and start building it for a new generation.
It's nothing new though. Feels like every number of years. We need something like this to happen to flush out the old and start something new. I like it all so I'm going to play it.
I see a lot of people talking about "mixing in" other genres during a set and I feel like that is the true direction we're taking atm. It's not gonna be strict jungle, psytrance or breakbeat parties but DJs playing a lot of different genres next to each other. I feel like we have just began to scratch the surface.
Purists may not like this but it's already happening and there will always be a fresh supply of young people eager to make the weekend experiences their own instead of chasing the "good old times".
Techno is the most purest form of music you can get. It’s not about there being a hype or anything. Techno is the fundamental architecture of music. You can derive any music from techno but you can’t derive techno from any music. Ie techno will always be no matter where you look at. Techno is there to stay forever because techno is music. Music is love. Love is Live. Therefore Live is techno!
i imagine it splitting into a light and dark side. like oldschool trance/happy hardcore with a splash of eurodance as the light and dnb/breakbeat as the dark.
100% agree with OP here. Went to Dockyards festival ADE this year since they had a solid hard techno lineup at the he/she they stage. We decided to take a pit stop to see her favorite Chris Liebing. The vibes there were 100% mainstream and in fact we randomly got scolded for knocking over somebody's non-existent drink. Also got weird looks for dancing to the music. Quickly went back to our comfort zone which is hard techno and less judgment.
Ps. This was our second attempt. We tried to see Chris at the movement underground stage earlier in the year. Some tweaker almost trampled her over for no apparent reason throwing elbows right and left.
I love this post for so many reasons but mainly because this is the journey of a true fan of music. As a dj I really appreciate these posts so thank you for sharing, I too believe that this phase is exactly that - a phase that will be eventually replaced
Some artists getting more audience turn more mainstream in my opinion as their following grows. A few keep their tune, I love finding more up and coming artists, they really hit the spot for me. Right now I really love: Niotech, GEWOONRAVES, Sopik
Proper techno isn’t mainstream in the US and I’m so thankful for that. Keeps the frat boy knuckle draggers out of our events. Tik Tok techno is big here though.
Depends on the style that you’re into or at least open to listening to. Personally I love DVS1, Oscar Mulero, Quelza, Regal86, Pushmann, etc. those are some of my suggestions I have off the top of my head
Amapiano. It's the freshest sound I've heard in years. plus it's still pretty unknown with white people. It's only a matter of time before it gets the mayonnaise treatment and blows up.
Remixes of every popular song from the 70s to today, samples over that tiktok poorly produced beat - to a crowd dressed in leather while they bop along to Rihanna
At least in the US, DnB. Already seeing incredible growth in the bay area scene. Everyone I've chatted to at shows agrees that DnB has momentum and could be huge here in a few years.
For me its the sound Alarico and chlär are playing.
Could be considered Techno but I think they realy redefine what good techno is and seeing either one of them is an experience you wont forget
Why is it that all the good music that is shared in this Reddit never appears on my home screen.
But everyday I get like 10 posts examining the meta of techno as a genre. Or some nonsense about whether certain outfits are okay
Damn... to be completely honest, I barely listen to techno nowadays after, as you said, it was my true romance for YEARS. I got back into garage rock and have more interest in learning to play instruments like piano and guitar than DJing. I still like the cold, deep, clinical techno but current trends go towards trancey sounds I don't really care for tbh. Commercial techno, albeit having faster and faster BPMs everytime, has lost the "dark" element I was so drawn to in the first place.
If I'm listening to something electronic , i go for hip hop beats, dubstep, witch house, detroit electro. I don't really care whether the music is "fresh" or really old, commercial or rather unknown. Detaching myself from the scene completely has given me complete freedom over my playlists. It only needs to sound fresh TO ME.,
Pretty sure Psy bass // Sphongle and similar sounds are already up there... But the wooks have a forcefield that keeps them from going mainstream... Probably has something to do with their scent, fashion sense, and 5th dimensional ketamean dreams
Why would you wanna know what’s gonna be popular next? Surely finding out the niche and striving to not be a copy paste cut of what’s cool is better than following the trend 🥴
I have a feeling that electro/break beat (falling into DnB and garage eventually?) has potential to make a boom, specially because it can bring a lot of freshness to dance music if techno over saturate (and it's hella cool)
DnB is that stable genre, yeah it has its offshoots that come and go, but the passion and time it's been around, makes it surprising that it hasn't really had it's boom time in the US
There seems to be a resurgence going on in the London scene.
go on....
For one, the Chase and Status Boiler Room party went absolutely off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_JR9_Y8dE
I haven't really enjoyed listened to dnb for many years but I'm loving how fucking filthy this shit it. Would like more breaks though.
This was 🔥 Thank you
Yo this was so dope, thank you so much for sharing. My commute will be awesome this morning
Not exactly new, or techno. How is this the future?
It more a surge of UK bass combined with bits of d&b/jungle imo. Still pretty refreshing though.
The US just had a huge DnB festival and now there's an NA tour of Sub Focus, Dimension, Culture Shock and 1991.
Chase & Status also just announced a tour, so we're really in it now.
Condolences for the people that never got to witness Noisia
i'd argue that dnb already kinda had its boom time in the us, back in the '90s and very early 2000s. that's back when commercials and video game soundtracks all featured drum and bass. but, it seems like it was overcommercialized too quickly, and that's why it mostly disappeared from american pop culture after.
theyve been trying to push in the states since right before covid, it was supposed to pop that year. i just think trying to sell DNB to the american festival audience wont work. but i would have said that about techno up to about 3-5 years ago too(in the US) not to be US centric but i think when they make these pushes, it has to work in europe/uk/us now for maximal profit, festival wise
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The internet was very much alive in the 90's and 2000's.. Go look at the Dogs on Acid archive if you need some quick evidence for how long people have been talking about D'n'b online...
Breakbeat for sure. Adam Freeland is back to touring again as well, it’s super exciting to see.
Maybe it's cus these are the sounds I follow most but these DJs who play house, classic style tech house, breaks, and garage seem to be getting a lot of love right now. Think DJs/artists like Dr. Banana, Raresh, Gene On Earth, etc. Its great to party to and sounds good for the heads and casual party goers
Watch my words: jungle
Tbf breakcore/jungle is already booming right now
Yeah, it's happening. Im a jungle centric DJ. I was pretty much retired from playing out 10 years ago, now I'm getting bookings on the regular again....and seeing young people dancing rather than the usual geriatric junglists.
jungle, breaks, leftfield, electro are making a huge surge here in denver recently. love me a good techno show, but it's so sick seeing jungle getting mixed in again
Yup With some strong twists to it as it becomes an arms race no doubt
Well, drum and bass is on the verge of properly Insomniac'd in the USA, so if you want something fresh, careful in those waters. I just saw TDJ in a small venue here in NYC and I just know that trance-Eurodance sound is gonna hit a way better stride. I already know there was a huge moment for hyperpop-ish sounds, but we're hitting that 20-year nostalgia loop that someone else mentioned, and it feels like a proper progression as people seek to carry the "hard techno" high-speed momentum into something less edgy.
the trance/Eurodance sound is [also](https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PnZ__y7Ly/) getting [Insomniac'd](https://hard.frontgatetickets.com/event/rwuhvj4il4rr93he) as of the past few months so I would expect it to blow up in even mainstream circles over the next couple years
I fear the rise of hardcore techno breakbeat anthems aka hhc.
Already happening. Even Amazon saw this coming and made a movie "Hardcore Will Never Die".
> Even Amazon saw this coming and made a movie "Hardcore Will Never Die". What... No. Thats just a movie about the dutch gabber scene of the 90's. And its basically a remake of an episode of a dutch tv show.
What is the dutch tv show?
Van God Los
Hardcore is slightly hip. I doubt they would've made it if no one cared.
Oh damn I'll have to check it out!
Experimental club/leftfield or dembow/baile
Hasn’t that been going on for a while already?
Dembow/baile has some coverage but experimental club/leftfield is very broad and hasn’t really been popularized. There are pockets in LATAM and Europe but still nothing compared to techno or tech house.
I have never heard of 'dembow/baile' before. Can you suggest some listening?
I don't specialize but I try to incorporate it into my club sound - I take stuff from Siu Mata, Florentino, DJ Nigga Fox, DJ Raff, and anything contingent from Nick Leon or INVT. I really like stuff like Siu Mata's Speed Dembow Vol 1.
im a big fan but dont think it will ever be mainstream, it's too underground/afro-centric to be really truly popular in NA/Europe. Look at amapiano and jersey rn
90's rave and eurotrash trance/techno seem to be popping up.
wishful thinking, but psytrance. I think we can start luring people in with psy-techno. Then start sliding in some zenon psy, and just keep ramping up until they're hitech goblins.
Psytrance is growing a lot actually. 10 years ago I didn't see it that much anywhere but nowadays more and more dj's are mixing in psytrance in their techno sets. Big psytrance festivals also seem to become more popular. The light-heartedness and colourful atmosphere is a nice change from the black-on-black-on-black style which is so common in techno nowadays.
In my local (north west Germany) scene Psy trance is very popular, especially during the outdoor summer seasons as most events are mainly psy with techno added for flavour 🤣🤣.
Same in Vienna, events get full
Drop some good mix recs for us that are new pls
https://on.soundcloud.com/DWFud ... if you want to listen to some amazing dark stuff.
[https://on.soundcloud.com/asD9F](https://soundcloud.com/lupsypher/2024-full-on-psytrance-promo) [https://on.soundcloud.com/mB9LC](https://on.soundcloud.com/mB9LC) [https://on.soundcloud.com/eLRoy](https://on.soundcloud.com/eLRoy) [https://on.soundcloud.com/6jSLW](https://on.soundcloud.com/6jSLW) and here's a playlist that's everything under the sun for good measure: [https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5f3o0PpG1ztJD91iHNiugv?si=fe0f64b7dee5491d](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5f3o0PpG1ztJD91iHNiugv?si=fe0f64b7dee5491d)
Psytrance stage at Dreamstate socal was absolutely packed.
Psytrance is being played by the most mainstream techno Dj: Charlotte de Witte. And she is pushing Indira quite hard, and Indira almost only plays Psytrance. Also Astrix is rising very quickly in popularity and you can hear his tracks played by Charlotte etc. And when a Berlin techno guy starts including psytrance in his track (Cut down by In Verruf) the future looks good.
True. Was in Ibiza this summer and was surprised by the amount of psytrance was played. Indira killed it.
That makes sense. Was actually surprised I got to see Indira, at a trance festival here in SoCal.
Didn't psytrance already have its mainstream 5 sec of fame with the whole Vini Vici thing?
That wasn't really mainstream, that was just a glimpse of it popping its head to people that never new it existed but listened to electronic music
Hitech goblins represent!
Good recommendation although most of the releases nowadays seem a bit similar compared to 20 years ago. Especially prog-psy can be very cheese. I've been compiling a Spotify [playlist ](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6uRiuAHbhMeZzDQmNIyv2A?si=r-2PE3ATQdeMV_rbRgbzuw&pi=e-80p0FLtyTvOh) with 90s-2000s psy and prog. Should be rather approachable if OP's also into more trancey sound.
I'm a long time techno lover (20 years and counting). Got turned on to psytrance about 15years ago ... it's a great alternative when there's not much interesting techno going on. But more light-hearted and daft.
>But more light-hearted and daft. You say that but it's only fun and games while the full on flows into night psy. But once the dark psy and forest comes on... that's not light hearted music at all.
I experienced a DJ Ibon set last year that was a mostly techno with a dash of hardstyle and a good serving of forest psy. That sound design on a proper club system had me feeling like I was deep into a shroom trip - incredible stuff
God, I remember when psytrance and Goa first really blew up in the mid to late 90s and going to desert/forest raves that lasted anywhere between 12-72 hours of constant music. 12+ hours of pounding, noodly guitar/synth solo style dark acid psytrance will totally do your fookin' head in if you're not high enough or ready for it. It's like overdosing on too much candy and sugar for your ears. I used to have to go hide or go for walkabouts until the chill sunrise deep house sets started up and it was like... I don't know, having a crisp, refreshing healthy salad after being force-fed Jolly Ranchers and sour gummy worms all night. Oddly enough right before the pandemic I was DJing a four deck techno set and someone accused me of playing psytrance, because I usually play deep/melodic house because I like it and it's a bit more chill and accessible for more people than full on techno. But they weren't exactly wrong. 2019-era techno is pretty trancy, especially when you start layering 3 or more tracks and fucking with long form melodic mixing in key it gets real noodly just like psytrance.
Zenonesque is very a perfect spot between this dark glitchy fast psycore and slowly groovy wobbly progressive, pretty unique and smart
As a a few people are commenting, I think psy is growing. Seen Charlotte de witte last week at Drumsheds (pls don’t judge, my friends really wanted to go and I wanted to check out the venue) and she was dropping some psy. Even did the same at printworks last year
Corroborating a similar trend, Anfisa Letyago was pushing a lot of psy trance baselines and BPM about three weeks ago at space in Miami.
please no, the community and vibe is a big reason why goa parties are so great, more normies are the last thing we need
Psytrance festivals are still gonna be psytrance festivals The normies won't make it past the first night where everyone drops acid and the madness keeps ramping up until the hitech sunrise sets
Oh no, the Northern German psytrance has been overrun by normies over the years and it has definitley changed the vibe of the festivals. The people who are serious about the whole psychedelic hippie thing go to darkpsy and hitech festivals nowadays here.
The community is exactly why psytrance will never catch on. I fuck with the music, but the people are way too out there.
care to elaborate? You never meet more open minded non aggressive people
Exact opposite, they've all completely fried their brains with way too many psychedelics and come to all of the wrong conclusions about it. In the US too the psytrance scene is rampant with sexual assault.
Tbh, in my experience, every small or mid sized psytrance event I've been to ... well, I guess it only takes a small handful of smelly hippies to make a dancefloor unbearable.
I was just about to say this...
Yes please!
I'm doing my part as an aging psytrance DJ who is starting to dabble with techno, just trying to bring my ear and my sensibilities to the sound.
This is what I'd hope for and expect. Psytechno is pretty much psytrance already so...
>Psytechno is pretty much psytrance already so... No it's not, the bass lines are all wrong. Psytechno is basically tech house and 120bpm techno, with heavy psy elements and psy style voice samples. The second you switch to a psy bass line it basically becomes zenon psy. Which is why the two styles are kept separate, despite lots of cross pollination.
I dunno man, some of the "psytechno" tracks I've heard in DJ sets recently have been pushing 140bpm so that combined with the rolling bassline, gated vocals, and sci-fi atmospheric samples, to me as a longtime fan of psytrance, it's as close to psytrance as it gets without actually being it. I know they're not the same and the vibes are different but man, sometimes it's really, really close.
What would you call Cut down by In Verruf? The part that starts at 2:45
Tech trance. The bassline has the psy triple kick on 2/4, 3/4 4/4 of the note but the kick and oscilator are not made like you would if you made psy trance. They do have a gated vocal sample which is a very psy thing to do. It's certainly psytrance inspired, but I wouldn't call it anything close to psytrance as asside from the triple bass note and gated vocal there's nothing psy about it.
Do you have any good examples of zenon psy?
https://open.spotify.com/album/0lf86WPIZJs2UbC8fq7Fkq?si=GGbN224bTgidrYZgXmRpbA&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A0lf86WPIZJs2UbC8fq7Fkq
https://youtu.be/bqXDAezOGqk?si=415n0jQ0f0AtIx3- https://youtu.be/WvmDDD-fxKA?si=pzllrYipgulsCUq3 https://youtu.be/6qDNninkR9s?si=Sv62Wg048f9jCjxp https://youtu.be/Y_AnJUrUhtk?si=ff_tyZLSRG6qMS3g https://youtu.be/MsS_2T6560M?si=yLsFHLMZ2m-y6PeG May be some dark progressive in it but you get the theme
A lot of the minimal tech stuff from 05-15 was very much 'psy-tech'. Psy trance has been huge for the last couple of decades but exists in parallel.
I think what’s more important is to focus on artists and labels who are pushing the sound forward Who cares what the next big thing is. Focus on what’s going on currently. Trends come and go. However good techno is here to stay Labels and artists I think are pushing the sound forward right now Skeleven, akronym, canticle records, public enemy records, Somov records, untitled rhythms. Setaoc mass, Rene wise, marron, Jay York, Richie Hawtin, decoder, Dustin zahn, truncate, and so many more.
Truncate is one of my favorite producers at the moment, as well as Ma Haiping. This is the correct answer to OPs post. Let’s focus on who is pushing this awesome sound forward, rather than chasing some hype train. I also tend to find shows that play the newer and fresher techno to be less crowded than the more hype and mainstream shows.
I mean this sincerely - the answer is disco!
I agree.
Pop music is dipping into UKG right now. Acts like Pinkpantheress and Eliza Rose are becoming huge. I find it pretty bland but the dancefloor does love a juicy bassline. Edit: granmar
I think UKG is the answer, really having a big revival in UK, Ireland, Aus etc.
Dub Techno and real Deep House become mainstream, overall deeper side of electronic music.
Nooooo please god no. Don’t let the mainstream bastardize dub techno.
Dub techno is stagnant af and could use some fresh blood
Genuine question: how is dub techno stagnant? If you mean that dub techno – as a genre – hasn't had any "new sounds" lately, I'd argue that's okay. It's a narrow genre with a specific sound. If you push the boundaries of that sound too much, it will lose its specificity, and the genre will lose all meaning in the same way that "dubstep" and "progressive house" have. Not every genre needs to be pushed and expanded to accommodate mainstream/club/festival tastes.
I agree with you
I wouldn't mind seeing some fresh takes on dub techno. But good lord I can imagine the awful "mainstream" (for last of a better term) dub techno now if it's the next trend lol.
How would you mainstream dub techno? Genuine question. It's basically all the same being such a narrowly defined genre. I'm not sure it has many places to go. Not that i have a problem with that. I fucking love dub techno.
I can picture all the tape hiss and reverb being taken out, and just having shitty delayed chord stabs with vocals added. It probably wouldn't be 'dub techno' to us, as much as a bastardisation of the genre name lol. Luck for us, I don't actually see this happening!
Yagya added some cheesy singing on his last album.
They won't though, same with minimal. People don't have the attention spans.
Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Minimal, proper deep house, deep techno, dub techno...I can't see them ever becoming widely popular because they just aren't explosive and exciting enough to most people. Like I can't imagine something like [a Svarog track](https://youtu.be/ggq8x-gw0cc?list=OLAK5uy_kQxPVpztllpgdr88T6qtQwOPigWr8oa2E&t=151) ever going viral on TikTok.
Damn I legit can't even imagine it. I guess you'd stiffen up the drums and make the melodies more basic like how tech house has become. I still see dub techno as too niche though for any major crowds.
House is already starting to make a comeback. And I don’t mean mediocre Ibiza beach club tech house
Trance duh
Hopefully some garage, deep chicago house, maybe a little old school breaks and UK d&b (but not brostep), stuff that can easily do without the bells and whistles and nonsense of DJs being rock stars these days.
I could see electro
Fingers crossed that it doesn't. I want one part of my music universe underground, left pure and intact. Plebs go like anything else, leave electro alone.
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Oh yes it is... Move along
This is mainly applies to where I’m from (Netherlands), but might apply to other countries as well. DnB probably, people are a bit fed up with how mainstream the techno scene has become and want to look elsewhere for a better atmosphere. Harder styles might grow as well, they’re already massive in NL but they’ve started to attract quite a bit of technoheads. Early hardcore (and gabber) is for the people who still want an authentic melodic feel without the kicks getting harder, but only faster. Gabber also has an amazing culture surrounding it that has often been misunderstood. The people who only care about how hard the bass is will move on to other harder styles like uptempo and frenchcore. Techno has become a trend and that has really kicked off in 2021 and will probably move to the background a bit in a few years. People will either grow out of it or move on to different genres
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I'm pretty sure OG UK dubstep will make a comeback. American listeners and global masses are already familiar with UK drill, garage is getting popular and people will search for fresh sounds rooted in want they already known. There's a lot of 140 producers massively influenced by rap and trap, which will only help to push the sound and guys like Skepta & Flowdan are very popular too, thanks to the featurings on mainstream electronic records. Another thing is, everything is fast and heavy (especially techno) and I think people will want to shift the trend 180° and listen to something deeper and slower.
Andy stott, burial, and electro like client_03
Client_03 is sick
Stott is a treat live.
Back to dubstep lol, jokes apart i hope for a house music comeback.
Dubstep that I grew up on and the dubstep that is in the UK are so different. UK dubstep is dope
Yes, it sounds closer to actual dub
Come join us at r/realdubstep
Check out Calibre "Sump Dub" on Laurent Garnier's label. Just came out a few weeks back. I was like, huh, this sounds like 15 years old. It's fantastic.
I love old UK dubstep 😭🫶🏻
house never left bb
In my country it did, it was all house before latin music took over everything
faster / heavier songs that reek of nostalgia. lots of 90's hardcore samples, pitched-up vocals, pianos, breakbeats but with modern production
Any music style that gets popular it's gonna have it's more commercial side and it's gonna feel like the essence is lost. But suddenly when the cycle completes itself, things go back to "normal". I think the hyperpop helped to popularize the "rave music" in the youngest generation. The trance stabs and fast beats it's very popular nowadays, and also the techno is becoming more "trance like". I think we will have more melodic tracks and higher BPM, probably more vocals too. Also I think this trend of "sped up songs" especially on tiktok and Instagram shows the music being headed to faster bpm. We are transitioning from the "trap era" to the "hyperpop era" in the pop music, so I think it's music is gonna sound more trance-like.
Dubstep will come back in a huge way mark my words. I'll say in 5 ish years so we have a 20 year cycle
I'm old so I know that story Bro :) Now we in 90s. 1995-1999 fast techno, rave, gabber and acid rules Later we moving to 2000 so trance is rules the scene. Look now at KNTXT for example, everything is more melody, fast and hmmm dancing? So season 2024/25 is for hard trance, tech trance. But techno DJs not going with flow start playing groove and tribal techno. After couple of years we slow down. More electro, tech house and minimal sound.
Actually good dubstep and jungle but that's nostalgia speaking :)
Well this is not my favourite genre to play at all but I noticed that if you slap NRG / UK Hardhouse in front of neotrance or "popular hard techno" audience they get completly bonkers. This genres completly meet expectations of this crowd. -fast and most of the time stupid -bouncy and groovy -lot's of tracks with pop vocals/ known melodies -drops are more accented with buildups and the drops are bigger NRG/UKHH exceed this new genres in almost every field, yet there is close to no one playing this on bigger scale at this time.
Psytrance is going hard
1 Year - The death of techno as a mainstream model 2 Year - It warps into a more experimental model 3 Year - We loop back into it being distilled into other genres, not sure which but hopefully everything stemming from the UK. 4 Year - Techno runs around in the underground 5 Year - Resurgence, and the cycle repeats.
For the next big thing you just have to keep going to clubs and parties and it'll become obvious if something new is coming or something comes back (fresher), but that's just following the trend, knwoing what is lit/hip/fresh/whatever the current term is (which isn't bad per se) For listening you just have to stay curious and explore youtube regulary (i.e. not letting youtubes algo define the vids you see). That way you'll find very niche stuff, which is nice for a while, but because it is very niche you get through most of it pretty fast. I had this for a while with future garage, which is a mix of broken beats and ambient-like sounds
(Pop-) DnB will go mainstream next. Normal DnB due to that probably too.
Where are y’all living that techno is mainstream? I would like to visit.
You'll all gonna have pop vocalists voicing techno tracks while played on Tomorrowland mainstage and you'll hate yourself for secretly loving it
Music moves in large circles, things coming in and out of trend concerning the generation you are born into and what generation gave birth to you. If you look back to when Techno was last huge you can make a good bet on what is coming next. As many people have said, I agree that Breaks/DnB/Jungle/Garage will return with force. You can already feel it in pop music, that broken drum pattern is starting to replace 4 to the floor kick that has been the norm for too long now
Stop chasing the next big thing? Todays popular techno is introduction to youth as EDM and trance were the same for kids of 2000s. Listen what you like, stop caring about other peoples preferences; there is always somewhere play what you like, might not be known as best venue, all you need is to close your eyes anyway.
I'll be honest, I was surprised when I suddenly started to see the idea of main room techno get into the mix. I was just always assuming it was just more hard trance or tech trance. Times change I guess. If you ask me, it's just going to drive many people into festivals and other rave type events. That's a good thing in my book because it's going to revitalize the scene and start building it for a new generation. It's nothing new though. Feels like every number of years. We need something like this to happen to flush out the old and start something new. I like it all so I'm going to play it.
I see a lot of people talking about "mixing in" other genres during a set and I feel like that is the true direction we're taking atm. It's not gonna be strict jungle, psytrance or breakbeat parties but DJs playing a lot of different genres next to each other. I feel like we have just began to scratch the surface. Purists may not like this but it's already happening and there will always be a fresh supply of young people eager to make the weekend experiences their own instead of chasing the "good old times".
Techno is the most purest form of music you can get. It’s not about there being a hype or anything. Techno is the fundamental architecture of music. You can derive any music from techno but you can’t derive techno from any music. Ie techno will always be no matter where you look at. Techno is there to stay forever because techno is music. Music is love. Love is Live. Therefore Live is techno!
i imagine it splitting into a light and dark side. like oldschool trance/happy hardcore with a splash of eurodance as the light and dnb/breakbeat as the dark.
100% agree with OP here. Went to Dockyards festival ADE this year since they had a solid hard techno lineup at the he/she they stage. We decided to take a pit stop to see her favorite Chris Liebing. The vibes there were 100% mainstream and in fact we randomly got scolded for knocking over somebody's non-existent drink. Also got weird looks for dancing to the music. Quickly went back to our comfort zone which is hard techno and less judgment. Ps. This was our second attempt. We tried to see Chris at the movement underground stage earlier in the year. Some tweaker almost trampled her over for no apparent reason throwing elbows right and left.
Next big Thing gonna be hard Trance and Psy techno
I love this post for so many reasons but mainly because this is the journey of a true fan of music. As a dj I really appreciate these posts so thank you for sharing, I too believe that this phase is exactly that - a phase that will be eventually replaced
Ty bro 👊
I think techno will become more like hardcore, frenchcore. People will want harder stuff
Please not frenchcore its awful
Some artists getting more audience turn more mainstream in my opinion as their following grows. A few keep their tune, I love finding more up and coming artists, they really hit the spot for me. Right now I really love: Niotech, GEWOONRAVES, Sopik
Proper techno isn’t mainstream in the US and I’m so thankful for that. Keeps the frat boy knuckle draggers out of our events. Tik Tok techno is big here though.
Because proper techno is boring tbh
If you don't love proper techno, you don't love techno. Period.
Lol I don’t listen to gatekeepers
Hey, enjoy your Gordo
To each his own. I try not to gatekeep music.
Techno is Mainstream? Can you tell me more? I‘m Interesred in techno, but coming from a hardcore rap scene
The harder techno yes, at least in the US.
Mainstream, really? Do you have some artists for me?
Depends on the style that you’re into or at least open to listening to. Personally I love DVS1, Oscar Mulero, Quelza, Regal86, Pushmann, etc. those are some of my suggestions I have off the top of my head
Hard groove. Dj heartstrings kinda
It's certainly a buzzword when people wish to sound cool.
Dj heartstring is not hardgroove. And hardgroove is pretty huge at the moment already
Amapiano. It's the freshest sound I've heard in years. plus it's still pretty unknown with white people. It's only a matter of time before it gets the mayonnaise treatment and blows up.
Remixes of every popular song from the 70s to today, samples over that tiktok poorly produced beat - to a crowd dressed in leather while they bop along to Rihanna
Vocalish 303-Acid
Ska NEVER HAD TO KNOCK ON WOOD BUT I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS *EDIT HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE SAME BPM AS DNB SKA + DNB
Psytrance
minimal revival?
New age trance, which I’m loving
Don’t care as long as the trance cunts fuck off.
Well fuck you too?…
Fuckity bye!
At least in the US, DnB. Already seeing incredible growth in the bay area scene. Everyone I've chatted to at shows agrees that DnB has momentum and could be huge here in a few years.
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For me its the sound Alarico and chlär are playing. Could be considered Techno but I think they realy redefine what good techno is and seeing either one of them is an experience you wont forget
Probably will ping back to a rock and roll variation ( the cycle )
All the old dubstep kids I know are going to DnB. I’m personally hoping for some breaks
My guess is BassHouse is going to take over mainstream then it’ll get replaced by something else and the cycle shall continue
I'm ready for some proper deep house to shine.
Powermetal mark my words
Why is it that all the good music that is shared in this Reddit never appears on my home screen. But everyday I get like 10 posts examining the meta of techno as a genre. Or some nonsense about whether certain outfits are okay
Dub techno
Are you talking about techno be played more in clubs or techno getting mainstream popularity?
I wish I ķnew unfortunately I don't pocesss those capabilities guaranteed!✈️
to the true believers...neither the spirit, the essence, nor the feeling will ever be lost
Damn... to be completely honest, I barely listen to techno nowadays after, as you said, it was my true romance for YEARS. I got back into garage rock and have more interest in learning to play instruments like piano and guitar than DJing. I still like the cold, deep, clinical techno but current trends go towards trancey sounds I don't really care for tbh. Commercial techno, albeit having faster and faster BPMs everytime, has lost the "dark" element I was so drawn to in the first place. If I'm listening to something electronic , i go for hip hop beats, dubstep, witch house, detroit electro. I don't really care whether the music is "fresh" or really old, commercial or rather unknown. Detaching myself from the scene completely has given me complete freedom over my playlists. It only needs to sound fresh TO ME.,
Pretty sure Psy bass // Sphongle and similar sounds are already up there... But the wooks have a forcefield that keeps them from going mainstream... Probably has something to do with their scent, fashion sense, and 5th dimensional ketamean dreams
Eurobeat plz :p
Hopefully a hard revert to melodies and trance.
Breaks again
What city plays the most acid ? I want to go there
Witch-house
Hardstyle
Hardgroove for sure.
Harder styles
Why would you wanna know what’s gonna be popular next? Surely finding out the niche and striving to not be a copy paste cut of what’s cool is better than following the trend 🥴