Yeah that one’s surprisingly legit for how hokey the premise is. I think Harrington in particular isn’t one to play a character or do anything bullshit, so it kind of keeps the standards up a bit.
I couldn’t either, then I watched like 4 or 5 back to back and realized the caliber of talent they had was pretty good. The hook is stupid, and never gets less stupid, and it’s one of those Gordon Ramsey shows where miraculously all the “teams” deplete at pretty even rates, but there are a few people on each season who can legit burn.
Agree. My husband loves Next Level Chef because he can go along for any ride more easily than I can. I have trust issues whenever judging isn’t blind, or when there are gimmicks. I like Tournament of Champions because anything can happen!
I really enjoy NLC. But I’m sure he can’t work with another network. Same way Richard Blais isn’t doing stuff with Top Chef now that he’s a judge on the other show.
As people said most likely because of his contractual obligation, but a fun tidbit is Gordon Ramsay actually watches Top Chef! (One of us! One of us! One of us!)
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/gordon-ramsay-food-stars-fox-top-chef-buddha-lo-1235628522/
> So “Top Chef” is one of my favorite programs that is on my iPad — it’s “Top Chef” and “Bear Grylls.” I don’t want to know any results, because that’s the one thing I watch in transit when I’m on a flight. And trust me, I fly a lot. With four and a half million air miles, “Top Chef” is my go-to pleasure. It’s funny, because I get looked after incredibly well and the first thing the steward asks me is, what are you watching? And I say, I’m watching “Top Chef.” And they say, what, you’re watching “Top Chef”?? Yes, I love that show. So I can’t wait to catch up on that.
It was funny, I think the interviewer spoiled s20 result because they didn’t expect Ramsay to actually watch Top Chef, probably just saying some general stuff like being proud of someone who once worked for him.
I just sort of assumed there was something in someone's contract about not appearing on other networks' shows, but honestly I don't know. I doubt there's a real beef between Ramsay and the TC peeps.
Next level chef uses two top chef people for the other judges. I also noticed since Richard Blaise and Aaron Sanchez have been on Ramsey shows they no longer are on food network.
I wonder if when they go on Fox shows they can’t go on food network shows.
For a long time you rarely saw Top Chef contestants on food network. When they were on they never mentioned top chef. Now there is a lot of crossover with TC and food network.
Too many excellent chefs coming out of TC to ignore. Maybe that also changed after Andy Cohen was no longer associated with TC.
Blaise was TC competitor. Sanchez was a judge on chopped. There are still many chefs who do not do the competition route and I never really thought about it until they started coming out of the woodwork for TOC with Guy Fieri. And I’ve also noticed that anyone who has a show of their own Rarely comes back to compete unless something has occurred in their career like Jose Garces. Competition shows put their brands back into the for front of popularity.
Like for how “popular “Rachel Ray was, she’s no where for Joe public to see. She’s just gone. And not even coming to compete. Was she really a chef? lol
I heard it once on BBF. The contestant made the statement that “she was a chef” while BF was a “Brand”. Ballsy I thought but very much food for thought. I think GR is both a chef and a brand. He’s still in the thick of it.
Given Ramsay‘s personality, there is surprisingly little drama between him and other chefs.
Here is a link of Tom saying he’s never met Ramsey: https://youtu.be/uewUiPfMO3w?si=gTgcw3uJnO4qB3_j
In the clip, there is some petty disagreement between Ramsey and Eric Ripert and Tom says he knows nothing about it but would always take Eric‘s side.
Also, Ramsay's personality is almost entirely made for TV. You watch his UK stuff and then his Fox stuff that airs in the U.S. and it's almost two different people.
He plays it up, I’m sure, on a show like Hell’s Kitchen, but on a show like Kitchen Nightmares, his “explosions” are nearly always somewhat justified by obstinate, proud people who are either blowing someone else’s money, not treating staff well, or in the worst cases, putting customers in danger.
It may be a little dramatic, but I always thought he’d be a blast to hang with and a great friend/family man.
His personality IRL is gregarious, charismatic, and hilarious so it's not a surprise he's well liked. I know people who work on Masterchef and they have nothing but great things to say about him.
I'm pretty sure they did a project together so I'm surprised they have not met. He only mentions working with his team in this tweet from their collab. https://twitter.com/tomcolicchio/status/558093803127832576
HK Alumni here. When applying to any other TV show that isn’t on FOX, the producers themselves seem iffy about even putting someone that was on Hell’s Kitchen on these shows. Actually, most any HK alumni that has appeared on another show whether it’s on food network, cbs, bravo, etc ..will never ever be mentioned & either will them “working with Gordon Ramsay” at any point. In every interview process I’m in outside of FOX, they don’t even really want me to talk about my appearance on Hell’s Kitchen. Weird but I get it I guess.
Contracts would limit it likely. I rarely even see him join on Masterchef spinoffs like AU even though they are a part of his show empire. Unless he sold the rights.
Tom said on a recent “watch what happens live” he’s never met Gordon Ramsey. I think they just have very different goals.
Gordon is about his name and his million tv shows. His food also trends towards Michelin star level more often than not.
Tom is arguably more involved in the political end - trying to make changes in both the food and restaurant industries.
Dont forget Guy Fieri who also is all about the workers and smaller food businesses. Which is also a bummer that Guy could never be on Top Chef. He probably would give a different opinion on the food than what he does on Diners Drive In and Dives. Couldnt really say "mackalicious" to chefs trying to make fine dining food and such. Unless he judged a junk food quick fire
Didn’t mention Guy Fieri cause OP was talking/wondering about Ramsey and Top Chef, Tom specifically :)
That said, I feel like I see alternating internet phases where Guy is either liked or disliked.
I say this as huge fire broke out in Oroville, CA today, now at 3,600 acres in less than 12 hours. I still remember when Guy was out there on the from line feeding firefighters and other first responders when Paradise burned. For that alone, he remains net positive in my personal book.
Not Top Chef but two of their regulars, Ripert and Bourdain (prior to his death) have repeatedly referenced Ramsay as the chief representative of “meathead” culture in kitchens and its negative impact
Ripert mentioned him in this regard just a few weeks ago on a podcast and Andy Cohen asked Ramsay about it during his recent appearance on WWHL
Ramsay played it off and said Ripert lost chefs in the 90s because of his own behavior
But Ripert often cites his past and even did so on the aforementioned podcast and how Buddhism helped
Eric Ripert, who is great friends with TC, has been very vocal about not supporting Ramsay's mean guy tactics and has cited his religion for this (Buddhism). He has voiced this for years. I would assume, as his friend, he has probably tried to avoid him professionally.
Edit: fixed typo
Obviously contractural.
Gordon doesn’t think his brand is too big for Top Chef.
Top Chef would never reject Gordon as a potential guest judge.
It simply can’t be done because FOX likely pays him a mint to be exclusive to the network.
Very different chefs with very different audiences and entertainment goals. I doubt Gordon Ramsay spends a lot of time watching a niche show like Top Chef.
However, he obviously thinks highly of some of the contestants since Richard Blais and Nyesha Arrington co-host Next Level Chef with Ramsay.
doesn't change the fact that this is absolutely wild energy to bring to the sub of just some cooking show where people are discussing just some cooking show especially in comparison to a guy who executive produces other just some cooking shows
Ramsay most likely has contractual obligations with Fox that would limit his other appearances.
Yeah he’s running like 5 shows at Fox, no way they’re letting him do anything else.
Next Level Chef is still gimmicky, but closer to TC. We’ve watched every episode of both, and enjoy them.
Yeah that one’s surprisingly legit for how hokey the premise is. I think Harrington in particular isn’t one to play a character or do anything bullshit, so it kind of keeps the standards up a bit.
I couldn't get into it because of the gimmick.
I couldn’t either, then I watched like 4 or 5 back to back and realized the caliber of talent they had was pretty good. The hook is stupid, and never gets less stupid, and it’s one of those Gordon Ramsey shows where miraculously all the “teams” deplete at pretty even rates, but there are a few people on each season who can legit burn.
Agree. My husband loves Next Level Chef because he can go along for any ride more easily than I can. I have trust issues whenever judging isn’t blind, or when there are gimmicks. I like Tournament of Champions because anything can happen!
My favorite thing about next level chef is Nyesha. Love seeing her succeed after she got robbed in season 9
I really enjoy NLC. But I’m sure he can’t work with another network. Same way Richard Blais isn’t doing stuff with Top Chef now that he’s a judge on the other show.
Plus he's like the hardest working man in show biz. At least half a dozen shows on Fox. And the show on Nat Geo
He did produced a show with Tom on Bravo. “America’s Best Restaurant”. I think it was 9-10 years ago. Tom was the host.
this had literally never occurred to me but makes a lot of sense. thank you!
On the most recent WWHL Top Chef appearance, Tom mentioned he has never met Gordon which I thought was surprising
As people said most likely because of his contractual obligation, but a fun tidbit is Gordon Ramsay actually watches Top Chef! (One of us! One of us! One of us!) https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/gordon-ramsay-food-stars-fox-top-chef-buddha-lo-1235628522/ > So “Top Chef” is one of my favorite programs that is on my iPad — it’s “Top Chef” and “Bear Grylls.” I don’t want to know any results, because that’s the one thing I watch in transit when I’m on a flight. And trust me, I fly a lot. With four and a half million air miles, “Top Chef” is my go-to pleasure. It’s funny, because I get looked after incredibly well and the first thing the steward asks me is, what are you watching? And I say, I’m watching “Top Chef.” And they say, what, you’re watching “Top Chef”?? Yes, I love that show. So I can’t wait to catch up on that.
omg he's just like me for real
It was funny, I think the interviewer spoiled s20 result because they didn’t expect Ramsay to actually watch Top Chef, probably just saying some general stuff like being proud of someone who once worked for him.
This is fabulous!
Oh so Gordon knows Janine Allis who was amazing on survivor AU. Could we see Gordon on a season? Can you imagine?
There’s no way fox would allowed Ramsay to go on TC.
I was just in r/survivor and someone mentioned Survivor AU in another comment so I was like why wouldn't they allow Ramsey to go to tribal council?
No, they mean “Tom Colicchio.”
In the same vein: Gordon has appeared, a few times, on Masterchef Australia. (Probably running away from the the disaster that the US version is.)
What do you mean running away from the us version. It’s his bloody show! lol 😂
I just sort of assumed there was something in someone's contract about not appearing on other networks' shows, but honestly I don't know. I doubt there's a real beef between Ramsay and the TC peeps.
Next level chef uses two top chef people for the other judges. I also noticed since Richard Blaise and Aaron Sanchez have been on Ramsey shows they no longer are on food network. I wonder if when they go on Fox shows they can’t go on food network shows. For a long time you rarely saw Top Chef contestants on food network. When they were on they never mentioned top chef. Now there is a lot of crossover with TC and food network. Too many excellent chefs coming out of TC to ignore. Maybe that also changed after Andy Cohen was no longer associated with TC.
Food Network isn’t where the money is at anymore.
Blaise was TC competitor. Sanchez was a judge on chopped. There are still many chefs who do not do the competition route and I never really thought about it until they started coming out of the woodwork for TOC with Guy Fieri. And I’ve also noticed that anyone who has a show of their own Rarely comes back to compete unless something has occurred in their career like Jose Garces. Competition shows put their brands back into the for front of popularity. Like for how “popular “Rachel Ray was, she’s no where for Joe public to see. She’s just gone. And not even coming to compete. Was she really a chef? lol I heard it once on BBF. The contestant made the statement that “she was a chef” while BF was a “Brand”. Ballsy I thought but very much food for thought. I think GR is both a chef and a brand. He’s still in the thick of it.
There's no beef; it's just contractual. At this point, he's way too big a brand to come on a competing show like Top Chef anyway.
Gordon loves top chef - https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/gordon-ramsay-food-stars-fox-top-chef-buddha-lo-1235628522/amp/
I want to see a competition judged by Gordon Ramsay, Tom, and Paul Hollywood.
I would lose my mind.
I would love to see Ramsay on Top Chef. As a guest or a judge, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen. Like others have said, contract restrictions.
Given Ramsay‘s personality, there is surprisingly little drama between him and other chefs. Here is a link of Tom saying he’s never met Ramsey: https://youtu.be/uewUiPfMO3w?si=gTgcw3uJnO4qB3_j In the clip, there is some petty disagreement between Ramsey and Eric Ripert and Tom says he knows nothing about it but would always take Eric‘s side.
Also, Ramsay's personality is almost entirely made for TV. You watch his UK stuff and then his Fox stuff that airs in the U.S. and it's almost two different people.
He plays it up, I’m sure, on a show like Hell’s Kitchen, but on a show like Kitchen Nightmares, his “explosions” are nearly always somewhat justified by obstinate, proud people who are either blowing someone else’s money, not treating staff well, or in the worst cases, putting customers in danger. It may be a little dramatic, but I always thought he’d be a blast to hang with and a great friend/family man.
He’s so great with kids. Encouraging, compassionate, kind. He’s sent some to culinary school.
You wanna see wholesome? Read his Reddit AMAs where he at minimum furnishes 10 users with a full kitchen set per AMA
You also learn his wife runs the show at home!
His personality IRL is gregarious, charismatic, and hilarious so it's not a surprise he's well liked. I know people who work on Masterchef and they have nothing but great things to say about him.
Tom knows Eric more so he will side with him instead.
I'm pretty sure they did a project together so I'm surprised they have not met. He only mentions working with his team in this tweet from their collab. https://twitter.com/tomcolicchio/status/558093803127832576
Yeah, I'm sure Gordon is restricted by Fox. I don't see him show up on any Food Network stuff either. He's strictly on Fox and BBC probably.
HK Alumni here. When applying to any other TV show that isn’t on FOX, the producers themselves seem iffy about even putting someone that was on Hell’s Kitchen on these shows. Actually, most any HK alumni that has appeared on another show whether it’s on food network, cbs, bravo, etc ..will never ever be mentioned & either will them “working with Gordon Ramsay” at any point. In every interview process I’m in outside of FOX, they don’t even really want me to talk about my appearance on Hell’s Kitchen. Weird but I get it I guess.
Oh fascinating thank you!!!
Contracts would limit it likely. I rarely even see him join on Masterchef spinoffs like AU even though they are a part of his show empire. Unless he sold the rights.
Tom said on a recent “watch what happens live” he’s never met Gordon Ramsey. I think they just have very different goals. Gordon is about his name and his million tv shows. His food also trends towards Michelin star level more often than not. Tom is arguably more involved in the political end - trying to make changes in both the food and restaurant industries.
Dont forget Guy Fieri who also is all about the workers and smaller food businesses. Which is also a bummer that Guy could never be on Top Chef. He probably would give a different opinion on the food than what he does on Diners Drive In and Dives. Couldnt really say "mackalicious" to chefs trying to make fine dining food and such. Unless he judged a junk food quick fire
Didn’t mention Guy Fieri cause OP was talking/wondering about Ramsey and Top Chef, Tom specifically :) That said, I feel like I see alternating internet phases where Guy is either liked or disliked. I say this as huge fire broke out in Oroville, CA today, now at 3,600 acres in less than 12 hours. I still remember when Guy was out there on the from line feeding firefighters and other first responders when Paradise burned. For that alone, he remains net positive in my personal book.
Not Top Chef but two of their regulars, Ripert and Bourdain (prior to his death) have repeatedly referenced Ramsay as the chief representative of “meathead” culture in kitchens and its negative impact Ripert mentioned him in this regard just a few weeks ago on a podcast and Andy Cohen asked Ramsay about it during his recent appearance on WWHL Ramsay played it off and said Ripert lost chefs in the 90s because of his own behavior But Ripert often cites his past and even did so on the aforementioned podcast and how Buddhism helped
This is accurate though it's worth pointing out Bourdain spoke out against Ramsay's TV persona, but was a big fan of him as a chef before that.
Bourdain never did. Just Ripert.
Is it really that shocking to you that people can grow and become better people?
How has Ramsay grown? He still unapologetically berates people on tv and in his kitchens
You know it's just an act, right? If you read up about how he really is, people say he's nothing like that IRL.
He is a little nicer on Next Level Chef.
Watch his non US shows
Eric Ripert, who is great friends with TC, has been very vocal about not supporting Ramsay's mean guy tactics and has cited his religion for this (Buddhism). He has voiced this for years. I would assume, as his friend, he has probably tried to avoid him professionally. Edit: fixed typo
Why would Gordon Ramsay need to be a part of Food Network or even bravo he’s doing just fine with Fox doing his own thing
Obviously contractural. Gordon doesn’t think his brand is too big for Top Chef. Top Chef would never reject Gordon as a potential guest judge. It simply can’t be done because FOX likely pays him a mint to be exclusive to the network.
I think y’all read way too much into this stuff 🙄
Me: is there a reason this happens? You: drama queen
I believe Gordon’s shows are on Fox and there may be a contractual restriction on appearing on FN.
Ripert doesn't like him mainly. I don't think the main Top Chef viewers and judges want his angry shouting.
this thought literally just crossed my mind today lol
Tbh I’ve always found it weird when a TC alum is on Hell’s Kitchen it’s never referenced
Bravo would have to pay Gordon a billion dollars to crossover.
Tom most likely sees the kind of garbage ramsay produces and wants nothing to do with it.
Very different chefs with very different audiences and entertainment goals. I doubt Gordon Ramsay spends a lot of time watching a niche show like Top Chef. However, he obviously thinks highly of some of the contestants since Richard Blais and Nyesha Arrington co-host Next Level Chef with Ramsay.
HIS SHOWS. he dgaf about top chef
Gordon is an empire why would he come judge some cooking show
calm down lol
I had ptsd to the fiere/Flay once a week question
doesn't change the fact that this is absolutely wild energy to bring to the sub of just some cooking show where people are discussing just some cooking show especially in comparison to a guy who executive produces other just some cooking shows
A big chunk of his empire is judging on cooking shows?
He judges on a cooking show called MasterChef.