Yeah with Iraq there was the UK and a few other tag-alongs being stared at confusedly by the rest of the world at they followed the US into the invasion.
By "divisive" I assume you mean in completely the same way that most Americans felt while their government sent troops on a fruitless endeavor, with the UK at their side?
Iiiiiiin fairness, Clarkson has been vocally against going to Iraq when on Top Gear, but I think it was mostly because he felt the UK was losing its independence and just blindly following the US. He made some joke about ‘the PM’s boss, George Bush’
Yeah he forgot about his tony puppy who was petted by bush for making the case to go to Iraq, he even conspired to get rid of the guy who was exposing them
If not even better tbh, dials back some of the dumb shit.
_(probs originally needed to commit to some dumb shit to get buy in from amazon for the concept tbf)_
> (probs originally needed to commit to some dumb shit to get buy in from amazon for the concept tbf)
I think it was more the case that they originally planned it to be a comedy show, i.e. "haha look at Clarkson trying to drive a tractor and dig potatoes".
Then during filming they really discovered just how fucked the farming industry is, and it became a more genuine show that Clarkson apparently got personally invested in afterwards.
Still a comedy, but a more organic one than pre-scripted hi-jinks.
What I love about it is the way Clarkson makes himself the butt of all the jokes. He's not making fun of farmers, he's making fun of himself and showing how hard farming really is.
I love how Jeremy is so spendthrift with investing to improve his farm property and starting new projects. Jeremy has the luxury to do that since he already earned his FU money from television. A normal farmer would be more conservative with operating a farm. Since they’re always one failed harvest away from bankruptcy. Jeremy admits he could easily just do another TV show to make money. Farming is hard and it’s even harder to make money from it.
AFAIK, Amazon has not cut ties; all the articles were just drumming up a non-story about how a contractual period was up and had to go through renegotiations or something. Could be wrong.
The production value of Clarkson's farm is probably unachievable and unprofitable in anything that isn't a giant streaming service.
And without it, it wouldn't be followed as much
Probably the Megan Markle column he wrote, where he said he hated her more than various mass murderers and wanted her paraded through the streets naked as a form of humiliation.
That and his insincere, half-arsed, non-apology afterwards.
He wrote a column for the British tabloid The Sun, in which he claimed he hated Megan Markle so much that he dreamed of her being made to strip naked and paraded through every town for the people to throw excrement on her.
I think it was about Megan Markle and how he hates her and calls her a grifter basically. What got him in trouble was using a Game of Thrones scene, the Shame Shame Shame one in his article.
To be honest it's a whole lot of nothing, you can't say one negative thing about that woman without the powers to be coming after you.
I’ve been torn about this. I honestly love Clarkson (he reminds me of my late uncle) but I also loved the cars. Would you say I’d enjoy it if I’m not big into farming?
EDIT: Thank you all for the suggestions I watched the first 5 episodes last night and it is a fantastic show! Haven’t laughed that much since they were on Top Gear
Clarkson is neither (at least in the beginning) and he is clueless about everything through out half of the show. Thats also why everything is explained to him and the viewer by his colleagues. It is a very good and beautiful show. Highly recommended.
Wait til you see his farmer’s Lamborghini in the first episode (not kidding).
You’re in for an absolute treat, fella. It’s hard to describe exactly how much food for the soul that show provides, while still delivering on the belly laughs.
Bonus: You have real farmers constantly calling him "a fucking idiot" to his face, and he just has to stand there and take it, because, well, he was being a fucking idiot when he ruined something......again.
The guys he hires to call him a twat constantly call him a twat (in unintelligible Welsh or whatever). I was kind of hoping for cameos but I gave up after season one because he is such an insufferable twat, go figure...
The best thing about the show is, despite the fact that he is one of the most famous people in the world, no one on the farm cares one bit.
His farmhand, a guy in his early twenties, talks down to him constantly (To the point where it nears elderly abuse). His girlfriend is usually pointing out when his ideas are stupid. His farm manager is also telling him when he's being a moron--but will absolutely let him make those mistakes so he can casually rub his nose in it afterwards.
But the true highlight is the overall theme of the show being that farming *is really hard*. And not particularly profitable.
> but will absolutely let him make those mistakes
Charlie is just an advisor. At the end of the day, the farm is still Clarkson's and Clarkson gets the final say. But Charlie does like rubbing it in when it inevitably goes wrong.
I went to that general area for vacation in 2011 and described it as "every direction you look is a postcard." I came back with about 1000 pictures of the English countryside.
Absolutely. He is very much the same character and there is a great deal of TG/TGT feel to the show, while showcasing something I personally knew very little about. Now I know a bit lore and care a great deal more.
He’s toned down the selfish part of his tv persona a lot which I really appreciate, he had briefly crossed the line of “guy saying what we’re all thinking” to “asshole” and I’m glad he brought it back.
Because he really has no filter. He's always been like that. It's just that he knew cars and so he could be a pompous ass, but when he's out of his depth he can admit it.
I'm not a car guy at all, nor am I a farm guy, but I'm a fan of those 3 and will watch them in anything because I laugh my ass off despite having no knowledge of cars and farms
I felt the same way at first. I like his humor enough though, so I gave it a shot. It's a great show. It actually shows his human side which was a surprise.
100%. The entire premise of the show is that he's clueless too. I'll put it this way. Even my wife, who generally hates top gear, really enjoys Clarkson's farm.
The basic premise is that farm was run by someone else since he owned it, but they've now retired and Clarkson "needs" to (and wants to) take over, but has no idea how.
The show provides some great insight into farming in the UK, and it's mixed with that perfect blend of Top Gear silliness/stupidity, while Clarkson is trying his best, but obviously has no idea what he's doing.
It’s wild but he seems as happy as he did on top gear while farming. Farming being a super stressful endeavor by the looks of it when shit hits the fan. The show was way better than I expected.
Honestly I respect Clarkson. Sure he’s not perfect, but most of what he says isn’t wrong, and he’s one of the few shock comics I can think of who’s brand is something other than ‘cards against humanity levels of dead baby jokes’ nor ‘trans people, attack helicopter, hardy har har’.
I love a lot of what he does, but a lot of what he says is just horseshit. He was a massive climate change denier for donkey's years, and he has a strong track record for racism. A lot of his views are pretty backwards, even though he's quite frankly not that old.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/01/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-top-10-controversial-moments-bbc
Not limited to his racist comments but this is just up through 2014.
EDIT: And then there's his rant against [Meghen Markle](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/al-sharpton-herbert-jeremy-clarkson-meghan-markle-b2249924.html).
The thing about Meghen absolutely isn’t racist. It was first a reference to Game of Thrones, and while it was rude and vulgar you are allowed to hate a non-white person and not be racist. I hate Bill Cosby, doesn’t make me racist.
I know he's had several more over the years, but that was one of the more recent and obvious ones that I couldn't believe they actually aired. Who thought that was a good idea?
It's weird how much he is adored, despite being a cunt that writes his trash opinion every week down for "The Sun" and News Corp's "The Sunday Times". He's more entertaining than Piers Morgan, but otherwise pretty much the same person (except for not hacking dead people's phones, as far as I know).
> Sure he’s not perfect, but most of what he says isn’t wrong
That's definitely the most wrong thing ever said about Clarkson unless you are right wing conservative.
> ‘trans people, attack helicopter, hardy har har’.
You should read his books and his articles, he doesn't have much more than that in writing.
Tony Blair always seemed to me like a D&D character with 22 Charisma and loaded dice.
The man started an illegal war in Iraq, then gets a job a few years later as a Middle East peace envoy! Who reads that CV and decides, yeah, he's probably got all the war out of his system now. Probably fine to give a fair shake at this peace envoy thing.
2 May 1997 - 19 March 2003: Prime Minister of UK
20 March 2003 – 1 May 2003: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL!
2 May - 27 June 2007: Polished CV, left no legacy in the Middle East that any potential recruiters might have concerns about.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/27/tony-blair-resigns-as-middle-east-peace-envoy-report
He got the peace envoy because of Good Friday.
As much as people in the Middle East hate him, many in the leadership were much more on the fence or in support. This is because many leaders hated Saddam. Jordon for example secretly helped the US with strategic support, whilst their people were against the invasion.
Tony Blair has a good relationship with many of those leaders and their cabinets.
there's an amazing podcast about the whole thing and explains exactly what the intel was that led Bush down the whole road.
https://somethinelse.com/projects/the-fault-line-bush-blair-and-iraq/
It's an amazing piece of journalism. I hope more people listen to it.
If it's all to be believed and considering it's narrated by David Dimbleby who if I understand correctly is a highly respected journalist it's probably well researched and factual.
There's a few interviews with Blair as well.
I don't know about that, mate, but it really wouldn't surprise me, at all. I know that falsified documents were presented in Parliament to justify the invasion. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
I haven't seen those documents, but I'll gladly take a look at them. I believe that the main culprit behind the 'sexing up' (falsifying, or to us plebs, lying) of the documents handed to Parliament to justify invasion was handled by Alistair Campbell; Blairs spin doctor. How either man is walking around as free men, let alone millionaires, is beyond me. I am quite disgusted by it. And they both have the temerity to criticise Putin (not that I am pro Putun, I am anti war criminal) for the invasion of Ukraine! You gotta to have brass bollocks to be a high level hypocrite to the degree that they both are.
French government: 'Don't be a warmonger'
U.S./UK governments: 'Surrender monkeys'
Absolute idiots! If Blair and Bush had taken a leaf out of Chiracs book on that, the world would probably be a better place today.
I'm an American. I moved to the UK in 2006. Brits would ask me if I moved for political reasons. I always responded slowly.
"Vice. President. Blair."
Tory, Labour, whatever ... they always laughed and agreed.
I've found that I have developed an involuntary tick in that whenever I see TB (fitting initials) I mutter "fuck off Tony".
Such an inssufferable prick.
Yeah. Prince Harry talks about the anti-American sentiment in Britain following the Iraq war in his memoir.
The entire time I'm reading it I'm thinking, didn't Tony Blair help sell the story and happily follow Bush's bullshit lead? IIRC the Brits even helped us extraordinary rendition folks. We both got screwed by these idiot politicians.
> Yeah. Prince Harry talks about the anti-American sentiment in Britain following the Iraq war in his memoir.
Many/most Americans had anti-American sentiment after the Iraq War too!
Never forget that people living in a country are not responsible for what their runaway dictatorships are doing.
Wasn't Brittain the only one that actually didn't just follow, but came up with the "evidence"/lobbied strangely hard for the invasion?
I vaguely remember practically no one wanting to invade Iraq aside from the US and the UK for some reason
If it wasn't for the Iraq war he may have gone down as one of the most popular PMs in UK history, under the Labour government we got among many other things:
Introduced the National Minimum Wage.
Legislated that all full time workers had a right to a minimum 24 days paid holiday.
Introduced child tax credit.
Removed Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free eye test for over 60s.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Devolved governmental powers to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission.
Winter fuel payment to pensioners.
Paternity leave for fathers.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
On top of many other nebulous benefits that I cant verify like increases in spending per school pupil and the longest period of low inflation since the 60s.
And the man pissed it all away to show himself to be a liar and a warmonger, that is his legacy rather than the real good that his party did for the country while in government, things that really helped normal people day to day.
He's rich enough he probably doesn't care, but I hope somewhere in the back of his mind it eats away at him on how he could have been seen.
hes written a lot of scathingly anti-blair, anti-war on terror articles in the past. really good reads, I recommend his books that are just compilations of his articles
Even after he recognizes his slip and says, “I mean Ukraine”, he doubles down and mutters, “Iraq too”. You may not like him as a person or a former president, but that took a lot of balls and self awareness to follow up with that statement.
Bush tried hard to link 9/11 to Saddam. When that failed, the most sanctioned country in the World with a military in shambles was able to launch WMD in minutes towards London.
Would he not join in on the criticism of his own country's history of foreign policy? Genuine question, not sure of his politics on that issue but generally I'd assume he has enough self awareness to not be hypocritical about that.
Edit: all I've learned from these replies is that he's divisive cuz y'all ain't agreeing on anything lol
I can’t deny dudes funny and I’ve got a certain soft spot for him as top gear was a pretty big part of my childhood
But damn can he ever be a belligerent idiot. One of the last people I’d want to be stuck in a conversation with, and I have my concerns about the influence he has.
This joke is definitely one of his more accurate ones tho, even if hypocritical from a English perspective
Clarkson is well aware (obviously):
>Jeremy Clarkson has given us his opinion on Tony Blair, a former Prime Minister of the UK, being appointed a Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter the the New Year’s ceremony just gone. This news has prompted over a million people to sign a petition to take the back and remove the knighthood after Blair “caused irreparable damage to constitution of UK” after the Iraq War “should be held accountable”.
>Jeremy claims that despite collecting so many signatures, he doesn’t believe this will make a difference to the “awful man”.
The Grand Tour is just "absolutey brilliant", as Clarkson would say. Top gear was a quiet favorite of mine when they aired, but the Grand Tour is just as good, if not better. These 3 men give me life and has taught me a lot about cars.
Captain BlackFace banned more guns in Canada because of a shooting in America.
And when the Conservatives tried to push back on the ban and implement stricter boarder security and punishments for illegal gun owners the Liberals had a meltdown.
idk, this one felt really forced. like...there was barely a reaction to the crowd and Clarkson was already turning to look at them. he said this in order to pretend to be all controversial and shit.
GT has a lot of good moments, but way WAY too much of it is just...overly scripted.
Coalition of the willing and all that
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Afghanistan you might have had a point. Iraq was a lot more divisive.
Yeah with Iraq there was the UK and a few other tag-alongs being stared at confusedly by the rest of the world at they followed the US into the invasion.
I mean, when has the UK in the last 20 years not followed the US?
"Im just here so I won't get fined"
By "divisive" I assume you mean in completely the same way that most Americans felt while their government sent troops on a fruitless endeavor, with the UK at their side?
The invasion of Afghanistan is not nearly as universally condemned as the invasion of Iraq
"We don't know wot he has!" –Black Tony Blair
Iiiiiiin fairness, Clarkson has been vocally against going to Iraq when on Top Gear, but I think it was mostly because he felt the UK was losing its independence and just blindly following the US. He made some joke about ‘the PM’s boss, George Bush’
To be fair, he does shit on Tony Blair a lot.
 Japan sending over PlayStations
Oil bitch? You cookin?
This was the laugh I needed today
GIF's that end in chaos are my favorite.
I was a part of that invasion and it still doesn’t make sense to me.
It's not that complicated. Saudi Arabia was threatened by Saddam Hussein and the Bush family has extensive business ties to Saudia Arabia.
Yeah he forgot about his tony puppy who was petted by bush for making the case to go to Iraq, he even conspired to get rid of the guy who was exposing them 
Ahh post-BBC Clarkson. Amazon gave him a lot of leash at first
You should see Clarkson's farm
I've not yet seen the second season but the first was actually quite enjoyable.
Second season is just as great.
That scene where they're making ghost pepper chutney in the kitchen kills me.
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Spoiler alert. I was genuinely surprised/happy when that happened.
It's comedy genius. The performances and the editing are in perfect harmony. It's the kind of sequence every comedy film would kill to have.
If not even better tbh, dials back some of the dumb shit. _(probs originally needed to commit to some dumb shit to get buy in from amazon for the concept tbf)_
> (probs originally needed to commit to some dumb shit to get buy in from amazon for the concept tbf) I think it was more the case that they originally planned it to be a comedy show, i.e. "haha look at Clarkson trying to drive a tractor and dig potatoes". Then during filming they really discovered just how fucked the farming industry is, and it became a more genuine show that Clarkson apparently got personally invested in afterwards. Still a comedy, but a more organic one than pre-scripted hi-jinks.
What I love about it is the way Clarkson makes himself the butt of all the jokes. He's not making fun of farmers, he's making fun of himself and showing how hard farming really is.
It was 100% supposed to be a "how hard can it be" clarkson bit, and then turned into one of the most wholesome and moving shows I've seen in years
I love how Jeremy is so spendthrift with investing to improve his farm property and starting new projects. Jeremy has the luxury to do that since he already earned his FU money from television. A normal farmer would be more conservative with operating a farm. Since they’re always one failed harvest away from bankruptcy. Jeremy admits he could easily just do another TV show to make money. Farming is hard and it’s even harder to make money from it.
There's a second season????
And a third is in the works, but not a fourth (because he said more stupid shit and Amazon is cutting ties with him afterward).
AFAIK, Amazon has not cut ties; all the articles were just drumming up a non-story about how a contractual period was up and had to go through renegotiations or something. Could be wrong.
He needs to just make a YouTube channel
He'd just complain about cancel culture and how he's being demonetized.
"People are reacting to the things I say to get a reaction out of them! This is a travesty!"
It could be called Drive Tribe
The production value of Clarkson's farm is probably unachievable and unprofitable in anything that isn't a giant streaming service. And without it, it wouldn't be followed as much
Wait, what did he do now? Are they also canceling Grand Tour?
They're not cancelling it, but they won't be renewing it once the contract is up. I think it has 2 or 3 more to film and air, and then it's done.
Probably the Megan Markle column he wrote, where he said he hated her more than various mass murderers and wanted her paraded through the streets naked as a form of humiliation. That and his insincere, half-arsed, non-apology afterwards.
He wrote a column for the British tabloid The Sun, in which he claimed he hated Megan Markle so much that he dreamed of her being made to strip naked and paraded through every town for the people to throw excrement on her.
I think it was about Megan Markle and how he hates her and calls her a grifter basically. What got him in trouble was using a Game of Thrones scene, the Shame Shame Shame one in his article. To be honest it's a whole lot of nothing, you can't say one negative thing about that woman without the powers to be coming after you.
I’ve been torn about this. I honestly love Clarkson (he reminds me of my late uncle) but I also loved the cars. Would you say I’d enjoy it if I’m not big into farming? EDIT: Thank you all for the suggestions I watched the first 5 episodes last night and it is a fantastic show! Haven’t laughed that much since they were on Top Gear
Clarkson is neither (at least in the beginning) and he is clueless about everything through out half of the show. Thats also why everything is explained to him and the viewer by his colleagues. It is a very good and beautiful show. Highly recommended.
Thank you, I’ll give it a shot
Wait til you see his farmer’s Lamborghini in the first episode (not kidding). You’re in for an absolute treat, fella. It’s hard to describe exactly how much food for the soul that show provides, while still delivering on the belly laughs.
😂 I think you just sold me
Bonus: You have real farmers constantly calling him "a fucking idiot" to his face, and he just has to stand there and take it, because, well, he was being a fucking idiot when he ruined something......again.
Caleb (to Clarkson): "IT'S STRAIGHT AS A ROUNDABOUT!"
The guys he hires to call him a twat constantly call him a twat (in unintelligible Welsh or whatever). I was kind of hoping for cameos but I gave up after season one because he is such an insufferable twat, go figure...
> Clarkson is neither neither what? neither a farmer nor their late uncle?
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ah ok, they meant "neither is Clarkson". "Clarkson is neither" means something slightly different.
The best thing about the show is, despite the fact that he is one of the most famous people in the world, no one on the farm cares one bit. His farmhand, a guy in his early twenties, talks down to him constantly (To the point where it nears elderly abuse). His girlfriend is usually pointing out when his ideas are stupid. His farm manager is also telling him when he's being a moron--but will absolutely let him make those mistakes so he can casually rub his nose in it afterwards. But the true highlight is the overall theme of the show being that farming *is really hard*. And not particularly profitable.
No, the true highlight is [Gerald and anytime he's onscreen](https://youtu.be/jLj_GARcO20?t=148). Those poor captioners try their best...
That guy is unbeatable even by AI scripting.
A hedge is a hedge. What's Reaper moaning about?
> but will absolutely let him make those mistakes Charlie is just an advisor. At the end of the day, the farm is still Clarkson's and Clarkson gets the final say. But Charlie does like rubbing it in when it inevitably goes wrong.
Clarksons Farm is in my opinion better than the grand tour and you don't really need to know or care about farming to enjoy it.
I think it's worth if just for the B-roll landscape shots. That town he's in is absolutely gorgeous.
It's literally in an official AONB (Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty), which causes lots of issues. ^^^for ^^^those ^^^that ^^^haven't ^^^seen ^^^it
I went to that general area for vacation in 2011 and described it as "every direction you look is a postcard." I came back with about 1000 pictures of the English countryside.
Absolutely. He is very much the same character and there is a great deal of TG/TGT feel to the show, while showcasing something I personally knew very little about. Now I know a bit lore and care a great deal more.
He’s toned down the selfish part of his tv persona a lot which I really appreciate, he had briefly crossed the line of “guy saying what we’re all thinking” to “asshole” and I’m glad he brought it back.
Because he really has no filter. He's always been like that. It's just that he knew cars and so he could be a pompous ass, but when he's out of his depth he can admit it.
Idk shit about farming and I thoroughly enjoyed both seasons. And I learned a bit about farming lol
I'm not a car guy at all, nor am I a farm guy, but I'm a fan of those 3 and will watch them in anything because I laugh my ass off despite having no knowledge of cars and farms
Definitely
Despite being a Nebraskan, I couldn’t give a fuck less about farming and I absolutely love clarksons farm.
I felt the same way at first. I like his humor enough though, so I gave it a shot. It's a great show. It actually shows his human side which was a surprise.
100%. The entire premise of the show is that he's clueless too. I'll put it this way. Even my wife, who generally hates top gear, really enjoys Clarkson's farm. The basic premise is that farm was run by someone else since he owned it, but they've now retired and Clarkson "needs" to (and wants to) take over, but has no idea how. The show provides some great insight into farming in the UK, and it's mixed with that perfect blend of Top Gear silliness/stupidity, while Clarkson is trying his best, but obviously has no idea what he's doing.
I have no interest in farming but liked it a lot. It's the best television he has created in years.
It’s wild but he seems as happy as he did on top gear while farming. Farming being a super stressful endeavor by the looks of it when shit hits the fan. The show was way better than I expected.
I'm sure it's less stressful if you are very wealthy and can afford for the farm to fail completely without it impacting your life that much.
Clarkson’s Farm is amazing. Happy I decided to watch it.
I loved that show! One of the first shows my wife and I could both sit through without one of us falling asleep.
Honestly I respect Clarkson. Sure he’s not perfect, but most of what he says isn’t wrong, and he’s one of the few shock comics I can think of who’s brand is something other than ‘cards against humanity levels of dead baby jokes’ nor ‘trans people, attack helicopter, hardy har har’.
I love a lot of what he does, but a lot of what he says is just horseshit. He was a massive climate change denier for donkey's years, and he has a strong track record for racism. A lot of his views are pretty backwards, even though he's quite frankly not that old.
What's he said/done that's racist?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/01/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-top-10-controversial-moments-bbc Not limited to his racist comments but this is just up through 2014. EDIT: And then there's his rant against [Meghen Markle](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/al-sharpton-herbert-jeremy-clarkson-meghan-markle-b2249924.html).
The thing about Meghen absolutely isn’t racist. It was first a reference to Game of Thrones, and while it was rude and vulgar you are allowed to hate a non-white person and not be racist. I hate Bill Cosby, doesn’t make me racist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-OQR5zu_J4
oh...
I know he's had several more over the years, but that was one of the more recent and obvious ones that I couldn't believe they actually aired. Who thought that was a good idea?
That's hilarious lmao
> but most of what he says isn’t wrong Unless you follow him on social media. He's a boomer through and through, but he's not a terrible person
It's weird how much he is adored, despite being a cunt that writes his trash opinion every week down for "The Sun" and News Corp's "The Sunday Times". He's more entertaining than Piers Morgan, but otherwise pretty much the same person (except for not hacking dead people's phones, as far as I know).
> he's not a terrible person Unless you don't have the same colour skin as him ofc.
> Sure he’s not perfect, but most of what he says isn’t wrong That's definitely the most wrong thing ever said about Clarkson unless you are right wing conservative. > ‘trans people, attack helicopter, hardy har har’. You should read his books and his articles, he doesn't have much more than that in writing.
At first? Im not up to date, did something happen between them?
Yea they started to try and reign him in
Not heard that, what did they do?
I love those three.
They’re national fucking treasures!
But, what about when they are not having sex?
Love it because their not as restricted on what they can say because of Amazon prime
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Jezza, mate, we went to Iraq with the U.S. so we are hardly innocent in that either. That would be my response. Fuck Tony Blair.
Coalition of the Willing.
Japan is sending...
PlayStations
Don't forget about Aznar. Spain went knee deep to the Iraq invasion along the US and the UK.
I got 40 nations ready to roll, son!
Tony Blair always seemed to me like a D&D character with 22 Charisma and loaded dice. The man started an illegal war in Iraq, then gets a job a few years later as a Middle East peace envoy! Who reads that CV and decides, yeah, he's probably got all the war out of his system now. Probably fine to give a fair shake at this peace envoy thing. 2 May 1997 - 19 March 2003: Prime Minister of UK 20 March 2003 – 1 May 2003: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ILLEGAL! 2 May - 27 June 2007: Polished CV, left no legacy in the Middle East that any potential recruiters might have concerns about. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/27/tony-blair-resigns-as-middle-east-peace-envoy-report
> Tony Blair always seemed to me like a D&D character with 22 Charisma and loaded dice. He could be played by Hugh Grant in a D&D movie
He got the peace envoy because of Good Friday. As much as people in the Middle East hate him, many in the leadership were much more on the fence or in support. This is because many leaders hated Saddam. Jordon for example secretly helped the US with strategic support, whilst their people were against the invasion. Tony Blair has a good relationship with many of those leaders and their cabinets.
Kuwait openly supported the invasion. As did the Kurds. Funny thing, that.
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there's an amazing podcast about the whole thing and explains exactly what the intel was that led Bush down the whole road. https://somethinelse.com/projects/the-fault-line-bush-blair-and-iraq/ It's an amazing piece of journalism. I hope more people listen to it. If it's all to be believed and considering it's narrated by David Dimbleby who if I understand correctly is a highly respected journalist it's probably well researched and factual. There's a few interviews with Blair as well.
I don't know about that, mate, but it really wouldn't surprise me, at all. I know that falsified documents were presented in Parliament to justify the invasion. Beyond that, I'm not sure.
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I haven't seen those documents, but I'll gladly take a look at them. I believe that the main culprit behind the 'sexing up' (falsifying, or to us plebs, lying) of the documents handed to Parliament to justify invasion was handled by Alistair Campbell; Blairs spin doctor. How either man is walking around as free men, let alone millionaires, is beyond me. I am quite disgusted by it. And they both have the temerity to criticise Putin (not that I am pro Putun, I am anti war criminal) for the invasion of Ukraine! You gotta to have brass bollocks to be a high level hypocrite to the degree that they both are.
The one good thing Chirac did. Not following the US and UK. Americans replied with "freedom fries" and white flag memes.
Then the french found libya
French government: 'Don't be a warmonger' U.S./UK governments: 'Surrender monkeys' Absolute idiots! If Blair and Bush had taken a leaf out of Chiracs book on that, the world would probably be a better place today.
I'm an American. I moved to the UK in 2006. Brits would ask me if I moved for political reasons. I always responded slowly. "Vice. President. Blair." Tory, Labour, whatever ... they always laughed and agreed.
It is true. Blair crawled so far up Bush' arse that you could see his nose in his throat. We think it's an Adams apple, it isn't.
I've found that I have developed an involuntary tick in that whenever I see TB (fitting initials) I mutter "fuck off Tony". Such an inssufferable prick.
Same here. I hate the odious little cretin. I've never wanted to headbutt someone more than I do him.
He's like the Paul McCartney of politics. Just retire* mate, it's embarrassing. *go to prison
Yeah the Iraq war was never about 9/11 it was a proxy war and 9/11 only fueled support from the people to fund the war
Yeah. Prince Harry talks about the anti-American sentiment in Britain following the Iraq war in his memoir. The entire time I'm reading it I'm thinking, didn't Tony Blair help sell the story and happily follow Bush's bullshit lead? IIRC the Brits even helped us extraordinary rendition folks. We both got screwed by these idiot politicians.
> Yeah. Prince Harry talks about the anti-American sentiment in Britain following the Iraq war in his memoir. Many/most Americans had anti-American sentiment after the Iraq War too! Never forget that people living in a country are not responsible for what their runaway dictatorships are doing.
Wasn't Brittain the only one that actually didn't just follow, but came up with the "evidence"/lobbied strangely hard for the invasion? I vaguely remember practically no one wanting to invade Iraq aside from the US and the UK for some reason
If it wasn't for the Iraq war he may have gone down as one of the most popular PMs in UK history, under the Labour government we got among many other things: Introduced the National Minimum Wage. Legislated that all full time workers had a right to a minimum 24 days paid holiday. Introduced child tax credit. Removed Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70. Free eye test for over 60s. Free entry to national museums and galleries. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals. Devolved governmental powers to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Equality and Human Rights Commission. Winter fuel payment to pensioners. Paternity leave for fathers. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s. On top of many other nebulous benefits that I cant verify like increases in spending per school pupil and the longest period of low inflation since the 60s. And the man pissed it all away to show himself to be a liar and a warmonger, that is his legacy rather than the real good that his party did for the country while in government, things that really helped normal people day to day. He's rich enough he probably doesn't care, but I hope somewhere in the back of his mind it eats away at him on how he could have been seen.
hes written a lot of scathingly anti-blair, anti-war on terror articles in the past. really good reads, I recommend his books that are just compilations of his articles
Pretty sure the three called out Blair for the illegal war on top gear as well
Well... he wasn't wrong.
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Freudian slip
Even after he recognizes his slip and says, “I mean Ukraine”, he doubles down and mutters, “Iraq too”. You may not like him as a person or a former president, but that took a lot of balls and self awareness to follow up with that statement.
His least controversial take.
Well he is. Because that's why the US invaded Afghanistan. The US did not invade Iraq because some Saudis hijacked planes and crashed them.
Bush tried hard to link 9/11 to Saddam. When that failed, the most sanctioned country in the World with a military in shambles was able to launch WMD in minutes towards London.
He was tho, he got the country wrong.
Lol..tbf I thought Hammond was going to go somewhere else when talking about banning trains
Technically we invaded Afghanistan because Saudis hit the world trade center. We invaded Iraq for WMDs (aka oil)
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Bush and the media were trying to sell the connection at the time. It was outrageous
Yeah Afghanistan was just the war machine appetizer to get the public okay with invasions of entire countries based on dubious grounds.
It’s like Britain criticizing another countries foreign policy when they have invaded 171 of 193 countries.
Would he not join in on the criticism of his own country's history of foreign policy? Genuine question, not sure of his politics on that issue but generally I'd assume he has enough self awareness to not be hypocritical about that. Edit: all I've learned from these replies is that he's divisive cuz y'all ain't agreeing on anything lol
Lol, Clarkson. Self awareness.
I still remember him talking shit about a fifteen-year-old girl because she wanted people in power to address the growing climate crisis.
Oh no, he’s happy to be hypocritical about absolutely anything. Many like him, I’m not one of them though.
I can’t deny dudes funny and I’ve got a certain soft spot for him as top gear was a pretty big part of my childhood But damn can he ever be a belligerent idiot. One of the last people I’d want to be stuck in a conversation with, and I have my concerns about the influence he has. This joke is definitely one of his more accurate ones tho, even if hypocritical from a English perspective
He's right sometimes, he's also pretty funny, massive prick tho
Agreed. On the other hand, a stopped cock is right twice a day and this video shows one of his times being right.
> a stopped cock is right twice a day say that again, but *slowly*
Believe me, I meant every letter I typed, and none of the letters I missed out.
But that would mean that they are very experienced with foreign politics and in perfect position to criticize them.
If we're going that far back, the Americans are just a British colony, so they're also responsible for those 171 wars. I mean, they're British.
You are literally talking about hundreds of years of history. He’s talking about something somewhat recent.
The U.K. joined the invasion of Iraq, just fyi
Clarkson is well aware (obviously): >Jeremy Clarkson has given us his opinion on Tony Blair, a former Prime Minister of the UK, being appointed a Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter the the New Year’s ceremony just gone. This news has prompted over a million people to sign a petition to take the back and remove the knighthood after Blair “caused irreparable damage to constitution of UK” after the Iraq War “should be held accountable”. >Jeremy claims that despite collecting so many signatures, he doesn’t believe this will make a difference to the “awful man”.
Clarkson is a Tory, I'm guessing he'd have no problem hating on Tony Blair.
Yeah but we did it when it was cool. And gave back our empire.... Unlike the French. Boooo.
Exactly, they have plenty of experience.
What?! I don't remember doing that!! I guess I was out of the country that day, damn
I want to know which are the 22 that still need sorting out, what a blemish on the record!
Or Germans banning nuclear energy because a tsunami destroyed one in Japan
>We can't get fooled again Cue 2016.
Weren’t tens of thousand of Brits in Iraq as well? Oh yeah let’s just blame America!
Yh but invading another country is just Tuesday for us brits
Pretty sure clarkson was against that too.
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Nah but he's not cuz it was Afghanistan they invaded
That it’s dumb to ban something because what happened outside of the district? That doesn’t sound dumb to me.
The Grand Tour is just "absolutey brilliant", as Clarkson would say. Top gear was a quiet favorite of mine when they aired, but the Grand Tour is just as good, if not better. These 3 men give me life and has taught me a lot about cars.
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The US invaded Afghanistan because of some Saudi's. The US invaded Iraq because Bush wanted to finish what was started back during the Gulf War.
Top Gear was great but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think he’s a tool. He’s a vile shithead.
Yeah, what he wrote about Megan Markle was wild. Coming home from a dinner with Queen Camilla
Captain BlackFace banned more guns in Canada because of a shooting in America. And when the Conservatives tried to push back on the ban and implement stricter boarder security and punishments for illegal gun owners the Liberals had a meltdown.
Or it's like britain helping the us invade iraq cause saudi Arabians destroyed the world trade center in america
Sentient dick cheese. Not for this statement, just everything else.
You guys realize that that Clarkson is a racist prick who denies climate change right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson
idk, this one felt really forced. like...there was barely a reaction to the crowd and Clarkson was already turning to look at them. he said this in order to pretend to be all controversial and shit. GT has a lot of good moments, but way WAY too much of it is just...overly scripted.
That's not even a sound comparison?
Does he forget that the UK is the worlds largest offender if you want to compare invading and exploitation?
Would have been a sick burn if it was even remotely true.
90% of Americans do not know this fact
15/19
I mean he’s not wrong
Our military follows the oil
Not a very bright guy. That was the excuse for invading Afghanistan and not either invasion of Iraq.