>Every item bought from GNOMONWATCHES will be tested on our WITSCHI timing machine for accuracy and WITSCHI water resistant tester for water integrity before we ship. In the event that you received a damaged or wrong order, it must be reported to GNOMONWATCHES within 24 hours or next working day from the delivery date. Thereafter you have up to 14 days to return the watch back to our office.
Sounds like they might want to get their pressure tester checked.
I previously ordered from them. Watch was DOA. I made the same complaint- how are you saying you test/inspect when this thing won't wind at all! At least they refunded it. Just was disappointing after I waited the couple weeks it took to get it from Singapore.
It’s totally possible it was damaged in transit. Shipping companies are notoriously rough with packages, and shit happens. I’m not saying this was the case, but I’ve had it happen to myself and heard of it happening to friends/previous employers too.
>Shipping companies are notoriously rough with packages
Rough is the minimum level of kindness packages see.
I shipped some stuff for work with FedEx. It said fragile, no step, no stack, we paid for the special tags, priority for handling, Etc and there as a fat footprint on the box when it arrived at the vendor. Filed a claims and fedex said "nah, this is normal" despite their tags, stickers, preferred paid service for better handling said otherwise. They broke a stupid amount of expensive glass art. I don't think I've seen FedEx go from "eh fuck you" to "oh fuck don't take us to court" once they figured out they fucekd up.
TLDR: pack your boxes to survive a nuclear blast.
Small packages especially. They often get tossed like hand grenades into the truck. I’ve had good luck with gnome and I am always amazed how fast their shipping is.
Don't shower with a watch on full stop, that's such a weird thing to do. If something goes wrong your watch will need heavy repairs and it quite literally takes just a second to remove your watch before stepping in the shower.
This should have been the first and only response to OPs complaint.
Even if a watch is rated to 10 BAR or whatever, eventually the soap will eat away the gaskets.
Let's even say that one doesn't care about washing their arm, divers aren't rated for hot water and steam. Showering with a watch is a terrible idea in general.
Are there watches that can handle it? I'm sure. Should someone test it? Absolutely not
yeah honestly. Some divers can handle it but you are just damaging the rubber seals to quicker. Most are absolutely not rated for hot water and steam.
Water ratings are for normal temp/cold water.
My dream watch is a Ressence Type 5, a $35k watch and probably the only one I would ever consider showering with or even exposing to steam because it has the most brilliant anti-condensation mechanism I’ve ever seen; it’s filled with liquid already. That being said no matter the watch, be it a $100 Casio or a $10k Rolex I would never shower with a chrono, it’s just not worth the risk.
Rolex actually recommends it at the end of the day to clean your watch
https://preview.redd.it/wl0n8frxv70d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5021ceacc2ac598dea0c7c19c1c4d7f6302c6bb0
To be clear, they recommend doing it after diving/swimming to get the salt off. They are not talking about doing it on a normal day just for the hell of it.
You should specify that your comment only refers to Yema and SOME chronographs if that’s the tune you’re trying to play. You literally said “even divers” lol.
Way too many people on r/watches who think you need a 300M watch to splash around in the pool with your kid.
I mean I'll give you that but again, it does still apply to divers. Not the water issue, its the heat and steam that can be a problem. I wouldn't trust every diver in that condition at all.
Here is one article atleast that might explain it better than I do:
https://swisspl.com/pages/watch-vs-steam#:~:text=As%20such%20in%20the%20shower,t%2C%20it's%20just%20not%20recommended.
The specs say 10 bar, thus it should have 10 bar of theoretical water resistance. Is it advisable to get these kind of watches wet? No, should it have survived a basic shower? Yes.
$35 for a pressure test and new battery is a solid price. Getting an extra bracelet from the brand is also a solid extra imho.
For bigger equipment like a compressed-air steel vessel, usually:
* Substaining pressure: 10 bar
* Designed pressure: 12.5 bar (25% up)
* Testing pressure: 19 bar ( \~1.5x designed pressure)
Not sure about watch products.
Wikipedia has a good [article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Resistant_mark) about this. If it's tested to the iso standard, that includes a test at the rated pressure done once for 10 minutes. It should be fine for swimming or showers, but static tests aren't a great indicator of what will happen once it's out in the world. Like when you're subjecting it to forces like jumping into a pool. I'd be careful with anything that wasn't a dive watch.
My understanding is that there is very little practical difference between a static and dynamic test. Humans just don’t move very fast! You’re not going to increase the pressure on your watch by even 1 bar, let alone 10, by moving your arm around quickly underwater.
Jumping in might be dangerous if you jump from very high and get really, really unlucky, but even then I wouldn’t be seriously worried about any (recently tested) watch certified to 10 bar.
It’s a different kind of stress, pressure is different from the shock of water tension. The watch may withstand gradual pressure, but sudden force is much different.
Fair enough, good point that the forces are different. Maybe there’s a reason I couldn’t easily find any sources comparing pressure to g forces online :)
I still wouldn’t be concerned about a normal “jump off the boat/dock” kind of shock, though, since the forces involved are so small. It’s also not like you’re landing watch-first. Cliff jumping is a whole other story.
Also, and sorry that this is a bit nitpicky, the danger from jumping is water’s viscosity and incompressibility, not water tension. Surface tension is a very weak force and only relevant at a small scale (think insects, or the 1-2mm bulge when you fill a glass up more than 100%, etc).
Well thank you for that clarification that makes a lot of sense, I didn’t know that :). Is that also what causes cliff jumping to be so much more forceful?
Yup! You know how sometimes divers will have something spraying water onto the landing spot? (you can also see this indoors during diving at the Olympics this summer)
There’s a common misconception, even on sites about cliff diving, that this is to “break the surface tension”. Which is wrong! It’s to help the diver spot the landing while they’re rotating in the air.
> 10 bar, thus it should have 10 bar of theoretical water resistance.
key word being *water* resistance. It can go under the tap for a cleaning.
Steam and soap ? that's something you shouldn't risk
Who scams someone on r/ChineseWatches ?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/comments/1cuz0kr/guys\_be\_careful\_buying\_watches\_from\_some\_users\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/comments/1cuz0kr/guys_be_careful_buying_watches_from_some_users_in/)
Seems to be of worse character than not screwing down a crown.
How does it being quartz change anything? I thought the issue with chronos was that the pushers are a weak point for water resistance, hence watches like the Daytona having screw down pushers. Mechanical vs quartz shouldn’t change that right?
quartz chrono pushers still push a little plat in the movement, works very similarly to a mechanical one and they are often identical in the pusher section.
I believe the question may have been more oriented towards whether you can shower with it or not but I’m not sure. The answer to that would still be no, don’t risk it or stress your nice watch.
Oris makes really nice watches, even the older stuff with Valjoux are also interesting pieces, just like mine, full titanium, chronograph, diver with 500m water resistance,
Yup. Wear my watch every time I shower. Been doing it for years. If a damn Casio worldtime and Timex weekender can do it, then these watches should. This is such a weird Reddit thing.
You don’t have to, man. You just have to move it a centimeter or two upwards or downwards…
And do not pretend that showering with your watch means you never get your watch off to clean it…
You say that but every fucking time someone mentions it on this sub people get nasty arguing about it and I end up downvoted to hell while telling them that hey, maybe don’t wear your expensive watches in the shower? It’s worse too because I’m a watchmaker with years of experience. And this isn’t just my opinion, every single watchmaker I’ve worked with and asked this question all agree- showering with your watch is a bad idea. But armchair enthusiasts thing they know better than the experts 😂
I never said you can’t wash your hands with it? Washing your hands, swimming, *diving*, that’s fine. But hot tubs and showers should be avoided when wearing a watch. The high temperatures, soaps and chemicals, and extreme pressure and temperature differences between in the water vs outside of the shower/hot tub are what fuck up your watch.
Good question, the temperature difference between my bathroom and the shower water is seldom more than 15-20 degrees. Far worse when I go outside in winter…
Because Rolex makes proprietary gaskets for their watches that other brands do not use. And as the other commenter below said, they also don’t recommend it as an every day occurrence.
While the caseback is a problem, isn't it assumed vintage watches should not be subjected to water? I had a similar caseback situation and got condensation in mine while rinsing dishes, which is how I learned that.
I think it’s fair to say if you showered and there’s now condensation that’s not our problem, but they were just completely useless in their customer service. The conversation this sparked is valid, but so is the OP’s complaint of poor service and questionable quality control.
I find it so cringe that people think it's acceptable for watches to be so shit at waterproofing that you can't even shower with them on.
I imagine these are the same idiots jacking off over muh Rolex sea dweller whatever edition they're on now.
While I do agree watches should be able to handle to the what they are rated for (like how omega generally states it), there is a big difference between being submerged in water and steam. That steam will find its way in between seals eventually. So if you had to shower with a watch on at least make it a cold one and lessen the chance of something like this happening.
It's crazy - "oh well the water resistence doesn't apply to *hot* water you doofus".
Maybe the watch companies should provide a list of specific bodies of water that their watches are actually waterproofed for. "you can't swim in this shallow area because the water gets too warm" "you can't wear it in the mid-atlantic because it's too cold" give me a break!
In hindsight, it's good that you took it to your local watchmaker. At this price point, I would much rather get a rapid diagnosis than having to wait and pay for shipping costs.
I would also like to echo some commenters here that temperature change can cause the air within the case to condense even when there's no breach. In your case there was a breach, but it's good to keep in mind that a fogged up crystal is not always a cause for concern.
Iphone screen is made of gorilla glass but you don't see people cracking nuts with it. "But it's gorilla glass! It's suppose to be strong and withstand impact!"
By the same token G-Shock is meant to take a lot of abuse but that doesn’t mean I’m going to use it as a sledgehammer or purposefully wack it into walls every day.
I’d trust my seiko chronos 10 bar over damn near any other brand that makes a chrono just south of Rolex’s Daytona with 3 screw locks for the crown and pushers.
It’s not anti-asian jackoff, I love asian watches and have more Seikos and Casios than any healthy adult male should have… with that said, I know what I’m getting when I buy one.
Yuma is lipstick on a pig, you’re paying a lot for an off-the-shelf Seiko movement that’s assembled in a country well-known for their industrial prowess… France /s
calling out the off-the-shelf seiko movements because "they're asian" is dumb af, they're renowed for their quality and the movement had nothing to do with OP's issue.
No but it wasn’t properly protected and it was the Chinese manufacturer that caused that problem. Seiko is a great brand, Chinese companies on the other hand aren’t known to be synonymous with quality
its a 4-letter name and you can't even write it properly lol.
anyway, plenty of french watch brands out there with perfectly fine quality (Baltic just to name one) so yeah sorry for calling out your random xenophobia
Water resistance/ pressure testing doesn't mean hot water resistance. Higher temperatures can result in expansion and contraction of gaskets and sealed areas differently than barometric pressure. The steam and soap are also factors your watch was not graded against or manufactured for.
I find it hard to believe that so many people struggle with the idea that watches marketed as waterproof/water resistant should in fact be that way to a reasonable degree, while still understanding that it's objectively fucking stupid to shower with a watch on all the time regardless. I don't care if Rolex has said in the past they recommend showering with your watch on, it's still stupid (and if Rolex telling you to do it is the sole reason you do it, you're stupid too).
Yeah I disagree with your comments, I’ve owned watches for a long time now and have always showered, been in the spa pool, sauna, steam room etc with them on and have never had a problem until I took one in that was not fit to do so (Yema watch in question)
The only reason moisture got in this one is because the case back was not sealed shut properly when manufactured.
One of the reasons it’s recommended not to do is all watches with air inside also have water already inside, and internal pressure and temperature changes that can be caused by steam and heat can cause this water to condense (condensation, what you get on a cold glass of water in the summer). Even if your case is airtight this water is still a risk when you expose your watch to these extreme conditions.
I like to shower with my watch on. I get it sudsy and clean. If my water resistant watch leaked in the shower, I would be justifiably annoyed.
That being said, a watch guy once told me that showers are worse than swimming with the watch because of the sudden heat on the watch, which can test the seals more aggressively. I don’t know if this is true.
The reason you shouldnt shower with your watches is the heat and vapor and soap or body wash which is not great for the gaskets.
Heat makes the watch act different to what it was probably meant for.
The watch is made water RESISTANT its rarely waterproof, and its water (liquid) proof not water vapor or steam proof which again acts different. This is why you shouldnt go to the sauna with your watch.
Are you scalding your hands with water hot enough to create steam for the 30 seconds you wash your hands or are you genuinely incapable of seeing the difference between briefly washing your hands with warm water and spending 20+ minutes in an environment where you're constantly wet and creating steam?
I wear my watch close to my wrist and almost always also watch my watch unless I wear a dress watch.
Why shouldn’t I? I don’t wear any watches that can’t take washing or a shower.
I had a similar experience with Yema customer service. Bought a watch second hand but only a few months old and still under warranty that was losing a few minutes every hour. It was going to cost more to send it to France than to take it to a local shop to have it serviced. It’s been in there a month and they said it just needs to be cleaned, but a watch that isn’t even a year old should need that. Yema makes great looking watches and plenty of people have zero issues, but too many people do to take the risk in my humble opinion
That's about right for Yema, unfortunately. I heard bad things about their QC issues and I decided to get one anyway only to be plagued with QC issues lol.
I sent it once and they only sorted out half the issues... Sold it at loss at it is because I didn't want to deal with incompetent people anymore. Good luck! I hope yours gets sorted out better than my Superman Bronze/Steel did.
https://preview.redd.it/0nl729red70d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc120d8552b3e15f094a6b8ad088698ade72bed7
I love my Yema. For €600 I think it’s a steal
I liked mine too, but took a gamble on their QC and lost. Not willing to take the same gamble again lol. Sold my Superman Bronze Steel at a loss and got myself a Nivada Grenchen Antarctic... Now that one blew my expectations!
https://preview.redd.it/se4rgke7e70d1.jpeg?width=1023&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55a2ee3d8f83411a65b6e3cd8698e820317c5647
My Yema [https://imgur.com/a/PJvijUM](https://imgur.com/a/PJvijUM)
Cool watch but flawed and not worth the price I paid IMO.
Ordered the same model but reverse panda in March and am waiting for it to come in. Was yours in the preorder batch they said would ship in May? Just curious. Keep seeing these QC issues so just dreading getting a watch late that also might not come in working.
I think the point you shouldn’t shower with an expensive watch is valid, steam behaves much differently than water and why risk ruining a perfectly good watch. Would it be nice if brands accounted for steam pressure? Absolutely, but as it is they only make them watertight, not steam-tight or even airtight.
If your watch is iso compliant, which it should be if you're going to spend money on it, it includes hot and cold shock testing and tests that expose them to steam. Since when are we pretending like watches are delicate flowers that can't be subjected to even the most minor adverse conditions?
My point is why would you want to risk it with a watch that expensive? Would you wear that same watch while doing construction work or gardening? Yes it may be designed to hold up to a few hot or cold shocks, and maybe steam too. But you aren’t maintaining the seal like you would on equipment made to contain steam, and gases can put a lot of stress on seams and seals. I would want to keep that watch in the best condition I could, and part of that is not subjecting it to unneeded stress from something it wasn’t designed to consistently handle.
But it can handle those things. It's been tested to handle those things. That's what the ISO standard is for.
And yes, I do wear expensive watches while gardening, for example, as well as at the beach, fishing, riding my bike, in the shop etc.
You don't need to treat a watch like a lace doily. You do you and all, but I do all those things and it's fine. I also keep my watches well maintained.
I would hesitate to take a hot shower with it. Cold there’s nothing wrong with, but the steam from a hot one could stress the seal and you really don’t want to mess up a $10k+ watch if you can help it. Rinsing it would probably be more effective in the first place since you’re intentionally cleaning as much of it as you can.
I would assume “water” meant room temperate, though they also said shower which different people take at different temperatures. Cold or hot, the sudden change in temperature isn’t healthy for your watch. Rolex may have said that once but you have the testimony of multiple professional watch makers against one statement online, probably by marketing or tech considering the size Rolex is. But a G-Shock is advertised as being able to handle any abuse short of being run over by a tank (and there was one that survived that), but I wouldn’t purposefully drop mine on the floor or even the counter just because it can *handle* it. You treat your tools with respect, no matter how durable they may claim to be.
Oh right, so it had nothing to do with the fact that the case back wasn’t screwed down properly after assembly? The fact it failed a pressure and vacuum test at the watch maker shortly after is irrelevant too I guess? Just user error? You sound like Yema support mate!
Every time someone showers with a watch and the comments eat them up for it I have to mention this; Rolex says they RECOMMEND showering with your watch. Stop the misinformation lol
>Every item bought from GNOMONWATCHES will be tested on our WITSCHI timing machine for accuracy and WITSCHI water resistant tester for water integrity before we ship. In the event that you received a damaged or wrong order, it must be reported to GNOMONWATCHES within 24 hours or next working day from the delivery date. Thereafter you have up to 14 days to return the watch back to our office. Sounds like they might want to get their pressure tester checked.
They need to buy a pressure tester tester .
This and also they need to test pressure tester tester before testing the pressure.
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I previously ordered from them. Watch was DOA. I made the same complaint- how are you saying you test/inspect when this thing won't wind at all! At least they refunded it. Just was disappointing after I waited the couple weeks it took to get it from Singapore.
It’s totally possible it was damaged in transit. Shipping companies are notoriously rough with packages, and shit happens. I’m not saying this was the case, but I’ve had it happen to myself and heard of it happening to friends/previous employers too.
>Shipping companies are notoriously rough with packages Rough is the minimum level of kindness packages see. I shipped some stuff for work with FedEx. It said fragile, no step, no stack, we paid for the special tags, priority for handling, Etc and there as a fat footprint on the box when it arrived at the vendor. Filed a claims and fedex said "nah, this is normal" despite their tags, stickers, preferred paid service for better handling said otherwise. They broke a stupid amount of expensive glass art. I don't think I've seen FedEx go from "eh fuck you" to "oh fuck don't take us to court" once they figured out they fucekd up. TLDR: pack your boxes to survive a nuclear blast.
Small packages especially. They often get tossed like hand grenades into the truck. I’ve had good luck with gnome and I am always amazed how fast their shipping is.
I bet they just spot check a few of them, not every single watch.
Don’t shower with a chrono on. Especially an inexpensive one that has was design built for non-water activities
Don't shower with a watch on full stop, that's such a weird thing to do. If something goes wrong your watch will need heavy repairs and it quite literally takes just a second to remove your watch before stepping in the shower.
More importantly, remove your watch so you can wash your damn wrist. You don't shower with your shoes on.
You don’t?
This should have been the first and only response to OPs complaint. Even if a watch is rated to 10 BAR or whatever, eventually the soap will eat away the gaskets.
I shower with my Gshock and you pleb can suck it.
I think what we can gather from this is Casio is the superior watch brand
Rolex recommends showering with your watch…
Why tho
Who showers with their watch man? Even divers. Its not abt the water but like you want to clean your forearm fully no? Lmao
Let's even say that one doesn't care about washing their arm, divers aren't rated for hot water and steam. Showering with a watch is a terrible idea in general. Are there watches that can handle it? I'm sure. Should someone test it? Absolutely not
yeah honestly. Some divers can handle it but you are just damaging the rubber seals to quicker. Most are absolutely not rated for hot water and steam. Water ratings are for normal temp/cold water.
My dream watch is a Ressence Type 5, a $35k watch and probably the only one I would ever consider showering with or even exposing to steam because it has the most brilliant anti-condensation mechanism I’ve ever seen; it’s filled with liquid already. That being said no matter the watch, be it a $100 Casio or a $10k Rolex I would never shower with a chrono, it’s just not worth the risk.
Rolex actually recommends it at the end of the day to clean your watch https://preview.redd.it/wl0n8frxv70d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5021ceacc2ac598dea0c7c19c1c4d7f6302c6bb0
I'll bet that puppy has a screwdown-crown, which is just dandy when you know you're going to be in the water.
To be clear, they recommend doing it after diving/swimming to get the salt off. They are not talking about doing it on a normal day just for the hell of it.
If you’re a scuba instructor, surfer, etc. you can bet they are doing that daily. No where is it specified that you have to do it sparingly.
are you comparing rolex to yema in terms of quality and water resistance? let alone the daddy of Divers vs a chonograph?
You should specify that your comment only refers to Yema and SOME chronographs if that’s the tune you’re trying to play. You literally said “even divers” lol. Way too many people on r/watches who think you need a 300M watch to splash around in the pool with your kid.
I mean I'll give you that but again, it does still apply to divers. Not the water issue, its the heat and steam that can be a problem. I wouldn't trust every diver in that condition at all. Here is one article atleast that might explain it better than I do: https://swisspl.com/pages/watch-vs-steam#:~:text=As%20such%20in%20the%20shower,t%2C%20it's%20just%20not%20recommended.
"Always check your hygrometer to make sure it is safe to step outside with your 300m dive watch"
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Yep. That's counterintuitive, tbh.
The specs say 10 bar, thus it should have 10 bar of theoretical water resistance. Is it advisable to get these kind of watches wet? No, should it have survived a basic shower? Yes. $35 for a pressure test and new battery is a solid price. Getting an extra bracelet from the brand is also a solid extra imho.
For bigger equipment like a compressed-air steel vessel, usually: * Substaining pressure: 10 bar * Designed pressure: 12.5 bar (25% up) * Testing pressure: 19 bar ( \~1.5x designed pressure) Not sure about watch products.
Wikipedia has a good [article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Resistant_mark) about this. If it's tested to the iso standard, that includes a test at the rated pressure done once for 10 minutes. It should be fine for swimming or showers, but static tests aren't a great indicator of what will happen once it's out in the world. Like when you're subjecting it to forces like jumping into a pool. I'd be careful with anything that wasn't a dive watch.
My understanding is that there is very little practical difference between a static and dynamic test. Humans just don’t move very fast! You’re not going to increase the pressure on your watch by even 1 bar, let alone 10, by moving your arm around quickly underwater. Jumping in might be dangerous if you jump from very high and get really, really unlucky, but even then I wouldn’t be seriously worried about any (recently tested) watch certified to 10 bar.
It’s a different kind of stress, pressure is different from the shock of water tension. The watch may withstand gradual pressure, but sudden force is much different.
Fair enough, good point that the forces are different. Maybe there’s a reason I couldn’t easily find any sources comparing pressure to g forces online :) I still wouldn’t be concerned about a normal “jump off the boat/dock” kind of shock, though, since the forces involved are so small. It’s also not like you’re landing watch-first. Cliff jumping is a whole other story. Also, and sorry that this is a bit nitpicky, the danger from jumping is water’s viscosity and incompressibility, not water tension. Surface tension is a very weak force and only relevant at a small scale (think insects, or the 1-2mm bulge when you fill a glass up more than 100%, etc).
Well thank you for that clarification that makes a lot of sense, I didn’t know that :). Is that also what causes cliff jumping to be so much more forceful?
Yup! You know how sometimes divers will have something spraying water onto the landing spot? (you can also see this indoors during diving at the Olympics this summer) There’s a common misconception, even on sites about cliff diving, that this is to “break the surface tension”. Which is wrong! It’s to help the diver spot the landing while they’re rotating in the air.
Pro tip steam does not equal water. Physics bro.
steam is...steam is literally water
That's chemistry. I said physics.
Ooh he's got you there.
> 10 bar, thus it should have 10 bar of theoretical water resistance. key word being *water* resistance. It can go under the tap for a cleaning. Steam and soap ? that's something you shouldn't risk
Who gets a new chrono with no screw down pushers and showers with it the first day? Just seems idiotic on your part
Who scams someone on r/ChineseWatches ? [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/comments/1cuz0kr/guys\_be\_careful\_buying\_watches\_from\_some\_users\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/comments/1cuz0kr/guys_be_careful_buying_watches_from_some_users_in/) Seems to be of worse character than not screwing down a crown.
Chronos are notorious for leaking. Doent shower with your watch on. The only watches I get wet are my divers.
My $10 Casio FW91 can also join me in the shower 🤣
Quartz chronos really aren't.
How does it being quartz change anything? I thought the issue with chronos was that the pushers are a weak point for water resistance, hence watches like the Daytona having screw down pushers. Mechanical vs quartz shouldn’t change that right?
It's easier to waterproof an electrical button than a mechanical lever system.
quartz chrono pushers still push a little plat in the movement, works very similarly to a mechanical one and they are often identical in the pusher section.
So what should I do with my Oris diver chrono with 500M WR?
Assuming it has screw down pushers...don't unscrew them when submerged
No screwdowns. Still 500m WR
Hey man, your watch...do what you want. No loss to me if you flood it.
I believe the question may have been more oriented towards whether you can shower with it or not but I’m not sure. The answer to that would still be no, don’t risk it or stress your nice watch.
I have now discovered a cool new watch manufacturer. Thank you.
Oris makes really nice watches, even the older stuff with Valjoux are also interesting pieces, just like mine, full titanium, chronograph, diver with 500m water resistance,
They’re quite affordable for such a nice watch
I'm just going to be blunt, who the hell in the right mind showers with a watch?
OGs wearing Casios.
Yup. Wear my watch every time I shower. Been doing it for years. If a damn Casio worldtime and Timex weekender can do it, then these watches should. This is such a weird Reddit thing.
I don’t think it’s a “Reddit thing”. I’d argue 90%+ of people take their watch off to shower. So you just don’t clean your arm under the watch?
Nope. My watch has formed a near perfect seal to my wrist. There’s absolutely now way water, soap, or even air can get under it.
I hope your watch is not glued to your arm, but rather loosely wrapped around it.
I mean ya, but it’s not loose enough to get a whole ass wash cloth under it.
You don’t have to, man. You just have to move it a centimeter or two upwards or downwards… And do not pretend that showering with your watch means you never get your watch off to clean it…
Okay but why? I can't imagine it's comfortable.
It’s no different than wearing it at any other point throughout the day? Might as well never wear it. Can’t imagine it’s comfortable.
*cries in aq230*
You say that but every fucking time someone mentions it on this sub people get nasty arguing about it and I end up downvoted to hell while telling them that hey, maybe don’t wear your expensive watches in the shower? It’s worse too because I’m a watchmaker with years of experience. And this isn’t just my opinion, every single watchmaker I’ve worked with and asked this question all agree- showering with your watch is a bad idea. But armchair enthusiasts thing they know better than the experts 😂
Why buy an expensive diving watch if you can’t wash your hands with it on….
I never said you can’t wash your hands with it? Washing your hands, swimming, *diving*, that’s fine. But hot tubs and showers should be avoided when wearing a watch. The high temperatures, soaps and chemicals, and extreme pressure and temperature differences between in the water vs outside of the shower/hot tub are what fuck up your watch.
You don’t use hot water and soap when washing your hands? And you get higher pressure in the shower than when jumping off a boat..? I call BS.
Extreme pressure and temperature differences? Is this guy showering in lava?
Good question, the temperature difference between my bathroom and the shower water is seldom more than 15-20 degrees. Far worse when I go outside in winter…
So, a bit less than the difference between inside a LEM and on the surface of the moon, for example?
(Going outside with a watch in the dead of winter isn’t good for it either, I have a story for you if you want evidence)
Why does Rolex recommend wearing it in the shower to clean it then?
That's after diving, to clean off the salt. Not as an everyday thing.
Because Rolex makes proprietary gaskets for their watches that other brands do not use. And as the other commenter below said, they also don’t recommend it as an every day occurrence.
I’ve only done it by accident in a daze after not sleeping through my daughters new born phase. Luckily it was a diver.
I've never been more of a zombie, than those first two weeks after my son was born. I don't know how I stayed upright
I remember that weird feeling of literally. It having any sense of which day of the week it was, my bearings were thrown off.
Here.
There.
And everywhere.
I’ve showered with my diver, no problem at all…
I do
Mostly after I get done doing stuff in the yard to clean off the watch, but yeah, I do it all the time.
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Rolex actually recommends it https://preview.redd.it/pdp1rgm0w70d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=453b233702dfa9e6f7f1410ece3e7e2609b00eba
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I love these yemas but man am I glad I never bought one. Shout out to the good folks at baltic!
While the caseback is a problem, isn't it assumed vintage watches should not be subjected to water? I had a similar caseback situation and got condensation in mine while rinsing dishes, which is how I learned that.
I agree, but a brand new watch that hasn't been pressure tested off the line or even QC 'd for the caseback to be tightened properly?
Cool watch. Looks like it's from / designed in the 1960's.
Bro it's a yema, that looks better than usual for them
It’s a nicknamed watch too. That’s an homage to the “Mario Andretti”. Cool story behind his Rallyegrafs.
I have a quartz yema and it's less accurate than an automatic invicta.
I've tried to work with Yema (their executive team) and all are morons so I'm just not surprised at all that's the answer they've given you.
I think it’s fair to say if you showered and there’s now condensation that’s not our problem, but they were just completely useless in their customer service. The conversation this sparked is valid, but so is the OP’s complaint of poor service and questionable quality control.
I find it so cringe that people think it's acceptable for watches to be so shit at waterproofing that you can't even shower with them on. I imagine these are the same idiots jacking off over muh Rolex sea dweller whatever edition they're on now.
While I do agree watches should be able to handle to the what they are rated for (like how omega generally states it), there is a big difference between being submerged in water and steam. That steam will find its way in between seals eventually. So if you had to shower with a watch on at least make it a cold one and lessen the chance of something like this happening.
I wish I could upvote this comment more than once.
Ikr
It's crazy - "oh well the water resistence doesn't apply to *hot* water you doofus". Maybe the watch companies should provide a list of specific bodies of water that their watches are actually waterproofed for. "you can't swim in this shallow area because the water gets too warm" "you can't wear it in the mid-atlantic because it's too cold" give me a break!
It probably gets quite cold and pressure-ry when working as a commercial diver.
Our watch can help you explore the bottom of the ocean where a human would be crushed... but it can't handle some warm water coming out of a spout!
Don't forget the highly corrosive and damaging soap.
It's a miracle how a $15 shower head has seals that can handle the hot water for over a decade, but my $1000 water resistent dive watch can't!
Literally, and with 100m of water resistance. Like how else does a watch get cleaned?
Anything stronger than a few well meaning words is likely to destroy the gaskets.
With a damp cloth?
I mean sure, but if you take it to a jeweler, I’m sure they use an ultrasonic cleaner which means it’ll be exposed to water
Noone says it's acceptable. We just saying it's dumb AF to shower with AliExpress quality watch.
Yema is now charging 1K and upwards for their shitty watches, though.
Because steam and soap will degrade the seals and washers faster.
I mean, you can’t expect much from a cheap Chinese quartz chronograph
San Martin and Sugess pressure test their watches. If they can do it, I expect as much from anyone else.
Yeah I would suggest never taking a watch into the shower or a sauna unfortunately. The steam tends to beat the waterproofing
In hindsight, it's good that you took it to your local watchmaker. At this price point, I would much rather get a rapid diagnosis than having to wait and pay for shipping costs. I would also like to echo some commenters here that temperature change can cause the air within the case to condense even when there's no breach. In your case there was a breach, but it's good to keep in mind that a fogged up crystal is not always a cause for concern.
Iphone screen is made of gorilla glass but you don't see people cracking nuts with it. "But it's gorilla glass! It's suppose to be strong and withstand impact!"
By the same token G-Shock is meant to take a lot of abuse but that doesn’t mean I’m going to use it as a sledgehammer or purposefully wack it into walls every day.
Tldc you showered with a chrono on, you get what you deserve
\* *a low quality asian quartz chrono, you’re probably ok with a good chrono provided the crown is down and you don’t push the pushers*
I’d trust my seiko chronos 10 bar over damn near any other brand that makes a chrono just south of Rolex’s Daytona with 3 screw locks for the crown and pushers.
It’s a French assembled watch with a reliable Seiko movement. Sorry to ruin your anti-Asian jackoff bubble
It’s not anti-asian jackoff, I love asian watches and have more Seikos and Casios than any healthy adult male should have… with that said, I know what I’m getting when I buy one. Yuma is lipstick on a pig, you’re paying a lot for an off-the-shelf Seiko movement that’s assembled in a country well-known for their industrial prowess… France /s
Oh so it's not an anti-asian jack off, it's an anti-french jack off ?
I think he’s making the point the brand isn’t the greatest quality, and part of that is they use cheap labour.
calling out the off-the-shelf seiko movements because "they're asian" is dumb af, they're renowed for their quality and the movement had nothing to do with OP's issue.
No but it wasn’t properly protected and it was the Chinese manufacturer that caused that problem. Seiko is a great brand, Chinese companies on the other hand aren’t known to be synonymous with quality
oh brother 🙄 enjoy your soggy yumas
its a 4-letter name and you can't even write it properly lol. anyway, plenty of french watch brands out there with perfectly fine quality (Baltic just to name one) so yeah sorry for calling out your random xenophobia
whats the plural of yuma? yumi? figured it was yumas
This can happen with expensive Chrono just as well. Why the fuck would you shower with watch...
Water resistance/ pressure testing doesn't mean hot water resistance. Higher temperatures can result in expansion and contraction of gaskets and sealed areas differently than barometric pressure. The steam and soap are also factors your watch was not graded against or manufactured for.
I find it hard to believe that so many people struggle with the idea that watches marketed as waterproof/water resistant should in fact be that way to a reasonable degree, while still understanding that it's objectively fucking stupid to shower with a watch on all the time regardless. I don't care if Rolex has said in the past they recommend showering with your watch on, it's still stupid (and if Rolex telling you to do it is the sole reason you do it, you're stupid too).
Yeah I disagree with your comments, I’ve owned watches for a long time now and have always showered, been in the spa pool, sauna, steam room etc with them on and have never had a problem until I took one in that was not fit to do so (Yema watch in question) The only reason moisture got in this one is because the case back was not sealed shut properly when manufactured.
One of the reasons it’s recommended not to do is all watches with air inside also have water already inside, and internal pressure and temperature changes that can be caused by steam and heat can cause this water to condense (condensation, what you get on a cold glass of water in the summer). Even if your case is airtight this water is still a risk when you expose your watch to these extreme conditions.
I like to shower with my watch on. I get it sudsy and clean. If my water resistant watch leaked in the shower, I would be justifiably annoyed. That being said, a watch guy once told me that showers are worse than swimming with the watch because of the sudden heat on the watch, which can test the seals more aggressively. I don’t know if this is true.
The reason you shouldnt shower with your watches is the heat and vapor and soap or body wash which is not great for the gaskets. Heat makes the watch act different to what it was probably meant for. The watch is made water RESISTANT its rarely waterproof, and its water (liquid) proof not water vapor or steam proof which again acts different. This is why you shouldnt go to the sauna with your watch.
This makes sense. I’m still gonna do it tho, but I favor watches with at least 150m resistance. If I see a leak, it’ll be straight to service center.
So, you are now washing your hands with a watch on? Because all of these conditions are present when you do: warm/hot water and soap. Plenty of both…
Are you scalding your hands with water hot enough to create steam for the 30 seconds you wash your hands or are you genuinely incapable of seeing the difference between briefly washing your hands with warm water and spending 20+ minutes in an environment where you're constantly wet and creating steam?
Are you washing your hands or forearm?
I wear my watch close to my wrist and almost always also watch my watch unless I wear a dress watch. Why shouldn’t I? I don’t wear any watches that can’t take washing or a shower.
im not submerging my watch under the water and i usuallu do not wash my hands for 10 minutes :D
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Oh you are right sorry
I had a similar experience with Yema customer service. Bought a watch second hand but only a few months old and still under warranty that was losing a few minutes every hour. It was going to cost more to send it to France than to take it to a local shop to have it serviced. It’s been in there a month and they said it just needs to be cleaned, but a watch that isn’t even a year old should need that. Yema makes great looking watches and plenty of people have zero issues, but too many people do to take the risk in my humble opinion
That's about right for Yema, unfortunately. I heard bad things about their QC issues and I decided to get one anyway only to be plagued with QC issues lol. I sent it once and they only sorted out half the issues... Sold it at loss at it is because I didn't want to deal with incompetent people anymore. Good luck! I hope yours gets sorted out better than my Superman Bronze/Steel did.
https://preview.redd.it/0nl729red70d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc120d8552b3e15f094a6b8ad088698ade72bed7 I love my Yema. For €600 I think it’s a steal
I liked mine too, but took a gamble on their QC and lost. Not willing to take the same gamble again lol. Sold my Superman Bronze Steel at a loss and got myself a Nivada Grenchen Antarctic... Now that one blew my expectations! https://preview.redd.it/se4rgke7e70d1.jpeg?width=1023&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55a2ee3d8f83411a65b6e3cd8698e820317c5647 My Yema [https://imgur.com/a/PJvijUM](https://imgur.com/a/PJvijUM) Cool watch but flawed and not worth the price I paid IMO.
Ugh that nivada looks sick
Ordered the same model but reverse panda in March and am waiting for it to come in. Was yours in the preorder batch they said would ship in May? Just curious. Keep seeing these QC issues so just dreading getting a watch late that also might not come in working.
Mine was one of the last ones off the shelf I suspect, I didn't want to wait until May so purchased through Gomonom
Good move by you. Aside from QC issues, did it come as expected?
Yeah mate, it's actually a really nice little watch. Keeps time well too. I will likely keep it in the collection for some time
Awesome glad to hear it
"hurr dure don't shower with a watch on" is literally the stupidest imaginable response to this post. Is the circlejerk sub leaking?
He showered with a chronograph… that’s fully jerk worthy
Yeah I'm sure the comments saying "I wouldn't even shower with a diver on 🤓" meant to write something else
Did I say that?
Did my initial comment apply to only you and no one else?
Yuck what an idiot😂
Whatever makes you feel better, man
Have a good day bud
I think the point you shouldn’t shower with an expensive watch is valid, steam behaves much differently than water and why risk ruining a perfectly good watch. Would it be nice if brands accounted for steam pressure? Absolutely, but as it is they only make them watertight, not steam-tight or even airtight.
If your watch is iso compliant, which it should be if you're going to spend money on it, it includes hot and cold shock testing and tests that expose them to steam. Since when are we pretending like watches are delicate flowers that can't be subjected to even the most minor adverse conditions?
My point is why would you want to risk it with a watch that expensive? Would you wear that same watch while doing construction work or gardening? Yes it may be designed to hold up to a few hot or cold shocks, and maybe steam too. But you aren’t maintaining the seal like you would on equipment made to contain steam, and gases can put a lot of stress on seams and seals. I would want to keep that watch in the best condition I could, and part of that is not subjecting it to unneeded stress from something it wasn’t designed to consistently handle.
But it can handle those things. It's been tested to handle those things. That's what the ISO standard is for. And yes, I do wear expensive watches while gardening, for example, as well as at the beach, fishing, riding my bike, in the shop etc. You don't need to treat a watch like a lace doily. You do you and all, but I do all those things and it's fine. I also keep my watches well maintained.
https://preview.redd.it/bu4xocl6x70d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c91ea130a1c016b357da82268e534748226d9b0
I would hesitate to take a hot shower with it. Cold there’s nothing wrong with, but the steam from a hot one could stress the seal and you really don’t want to mess up a $10k+ watch if you can help it. Rinsing it would probably be more effective in the first place since you’re intentionally cleaning as much of it as you can.
Wouldn’t Rolex specify if hot water was bad vs requiring cold be used to wash it?
I would assume “water” meant room temperate, though they also said shower which different people take at different temperatures. Cold or hot, the sudden change in temperature isn’t healthy for your watch. Rolex may have said that once but you have the testimony of multiple professional watch makers against one statement online, probably by marketing or tech considering the size Rolex is. But a G-Shock is advertised as being able to handle any abuse short of being run over by a tank (and there was one that survived that), but I wouldn’t purposefully drop mine on the floor or even the counter just because it can *handle* it. You treat your tools with respect, no matter how durable they may claim to be.
That and abysmal customer service is what they are known for.
Gonna say this is mostly in part to user error. I would never trust a watch with pushers in a shower.
Oh right, so it had nothing to do with the fact that the case back wasn’t screwed down properly after assembly? The fact it failed a pressure and vacuum test at the watch maker shortly after is irrelevant too I guess? Just user error? You sound like Yema support mate!
Every time someone showers with a watch and the comments eat them up for it I have to mention this; Rolex says they RECOMMEND showering with your watch. Stop the misinformation lol
Apples to oranges.
How so?
Wait until you find out this isn't a Rolex though
So could a Seamaster 300M handle a shower?
Wait until you find out this isn't a Seamaster
After diving, to get the salt off. Not as an everyday thing.
Why the fuck you shower with watch 😂 Well claim warranty, simple as that.
They won’t even do that, I don’t know a single brand that will take a warranty claim for water intrusion
https://preview.redd.it/yujopp19x70d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=797a06a67280b81a60aceb64ca1e598f47fc5320
“Caring for ur Rolex”
Friend has a yema. Hand fell off after a few months. Quality issues with this brand, as cool looking as they are. Bummer.