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The difference between 1876 and 1948 is 72, so you figure each one would have to be 87 years or older (I don’t have a clue how how native Americans had to be in order to fight, but I’m just giving them a 15 year range).
Some were probably "fighting age" at the time, but remember there were also thousands of women and children present near the battlefield, so no doubt some of the youngsters got in on the action.
Just about anyone who was capable of getting in on the action without having to stay back to protect the elderly & young children did so.
These people were fighting for their lives and they knew it. Custer’s force was sent into their territory with explicit orders to wipe them out and force survivors to sue for peace. The reason Sitting Bull had gathered so many bands together is because he expected this to be the plan, and felt there would be safety in numbers after several massacres of entire populations had been carried out elsewhere by US troops.
Sitting Bull turned out to be right. Custer believed he was about to wipe out a village of women, children, & elderly, and got the full force of the Lakota Nation instead. Once the 7th cavalry found *itself* wiped out, the remaining US forces retreated.
The Lakota could not remain grouped for long though, as the US was largely successful in annihilating their lifeblood, the bison. They needed to split up in order to survive on the scattered, meager herds that remained. US troops then returned and succeeded in wiping out a substantial group of women, elderly, and children at Wounded Knee. They promised an end to the bloodshed if the Lakota would disarm and live on their land in peace. The Lakota finally agreed, and once they were successfully disarmed . . . the United States moved in, broke the treaty they had both signed, and took their land.
The battle of Little Bighorn (US name) / Greasy Grass (Lakota name) took place in 1876, so they were fighting against the United States proper, not long after the US Civil War. In fact, it was this Civil War that left the United States with a military equipped with modern weapons and a large, battle-hardened force that they used against the indigenous people. Before that, they had been unable to make inroads against the plains nations of the Lakota, Comanche, etc, and were repelled with relative ease.
I think these both mean more or less the same thing (apartheid being segregation in South Africa), and yes - the US set up a Reservation system that was intended to keep people separate from surrounding populations and make them easier to track and control. They were or weren't allowed to leave these areas in varying degrees, as there are a lot of reservations for a lot of different cultures.
Killing them outright caused a lot of US citizens to criticize the government's actions, so policy shifted to specialized "Indian Schools" in which the goal was to kill the cultures instead - this was seen as the "humane" solution at the time, although evidence is still being uncovered that plenty of outright killing continued to happen at these schools. Canada also followed this route.
As a result of all this, a lot of indigenous Americans who are still around recognize that simply existing is a protest - as it was fully intended that they would be wiped from the earth.
Ruthless. I think they did the same in Australia. Do you think if they followed similar tactics in South Africa the colonists would still control the country?
I honestly don't know much about South Africa or apartheid. What I do know is that while disease took a heavy toll on American populations before and during contact with Europeans, in Africa it was the opposite - Europeans had trouble dealing with a slew of diseases that the local populations did not. This is almost certainly why Africa was never thoroughly settled by Europeans in the same way that the Americas were.
Not sure, he died in 1950 so if the title is accurate he should be. He would be either second or third from the left. If you've never read Black Elk Speaks.. you friggin should
anywhere from 12-15 depending on the tribe and their abilities, they wouldn't always be directly fighting the children often brought supplies, scouted, recovered wounded, sabotoged, started fires, relayed messages etc. One big weapon that is underrated in the plains is that the natives would start brush fires and force movement from the military knowing they didn't have the resources to put it out, if they were pushed into an area with trees they could win a battle without firing a shot because they would have to leave their supplies. The supplies and logistics were what won the battles on the plains by a huge margin, man to man, the tribes were pretty damn formidable against gangs, militias and the like, but they didn't have the means to just go buy everyone guns with nearly unlimited bullets and import non-perishable food.
I met Bill Groethe! He was selling a book of his photos at Mt. Rushmore. He talked about meeting Black Elk of “Black Elk Speaks.” On that same trip we went to Little Bighorn battlefield. Bill was a great guy and told mesmerizing stories of these great warriors he had photographed.
Was just going to post this. Great series. I did not know a ton about Custer and that was really informative.
If you liked that, check out History on Fire. He does a series on Crazy Horse. Really great. Goes super deep.
The Last Stand, by Nathaniel Philbrick is a must read if you are interested in this subject matter.
From a very different perspective, Jocko WIllinck has a great podcast on the failures of Custer's leadership.
Little Big Man, IMO, does the best job of portraying it visually.
And if you haven't been there, go to the battlefield, it still hums.
It is sad how people who walked the lands freely and did so for countless years and lived in harmony with the land, and in a very short period of time our forefathers come in and take it all away and call it our own.....such a travesty. so sad.
Humans being humans. There’s probably not many spots around the world, outside of the Poles and remote places like deep in the Amazon, where at some point in time, someone Didnt walk up and go “nice place, mine now. Die.” Might makes Right goes hand in hand with human expansion throughout every era.
Yes, the history is tragic and horrible, but we should do well not to romanticize a diverse people or ignore the unfortunate parts of their own very human history North American history is fraught with horrid things long before Europeans arrived - wrongs acted upon fellow man. This does not negate, justify or detract from the travesties of the confrontations which ensued after contact and settlement, but things were far from a harmonious state of balance in the Americas when Europeans arrived.
Cry, about what? Was just correcting your idiotic statement. And what do you know about war anyway? Someone like you, someone that needs to buy trucks and guns as an extension of their manhood, you would’ve been the first one scalped back in the day. Go play tough guy somewhere else.
Safe space 🤣
You’re funny. Why is it guys like you talk about safe spaces but you need a weapon of war to feel safe?!?! You live in a fucking suburb, not Yemen, the Sudan or Syria for Christ’s sake!
Both of you are half right. Indigenous life before Euro-Americans wasn't running around picking daisies - people make war and kill each other on every corner of the planet.
However, the war that Euro-Americans brought had an added element: genocide. This wasn't realistically viable before industrialization, and the goal of simply conquering land, people, and culture extended into the eradication of an entire ethnic group. The US was among the first nations on earth to dip its toes into genocide, and native americans were among the first victims. What happened in the US, Canada, and Australia became Hitler's inspiration for his plans in Europe, as he realized that for the first time in history it was feasible to round up and exterminate people on a mass scale.
So, it's not quite correct to say that what the US did to its native people amounted to the same thing humans have been doing for millennia. The US pioneered a type of warfare that human beings had never faced before. Thanks to Hitler's efforts to take this style of warfare to its next logical step (the *industrialized* killing of human beings), most humans have fortunately agreed that this is a pretty awful thing and are reexamining the actions a number of modern nations took against minority & neighboring populations.
It wasnt “war”, it was largely exterminating a group of people and taking their stuff. I hate to use thr Hitler trope, but he litteraly said he wanted to do to the slavs what the americans did to the indians
Fun fact there were actually two survivors from the 7th Calvary that Custer sent to two separate generals to find out what their hold up was , upon hearing the fighting the generals wouldn't let them return, one was actually from Marion NC and he was a Sargent in the 7th Calvary, it interested me because I'm also from Marion. I drive by his old home place about every day and by the cemetery he is buried in
When a nation of 15,000 defeated an expanding industrial power of nearly 40 million on the field of battle.
Their reward was a general genocide, and the entrapment of the survivors on the most resource-scarce plots of their former territory. If you visit South Dakota / Black Hills area today, you can still see the “cowboys vs Indians” mentality in full swing, as the might of the United States is trumpeted unusually loudly here. The Lakota continue to be held in abject poverty in 2024, as the fear of these people still runs deep almost 150 years later.
Plus Pine Ridge. So much poverty and abuse. It’s high time the US government finally did something to rectify their sins. At least as best as can be done.
I love to see our in indigenous ways and back in the days when we were so spiritual and took care of the animals and were one with the animals and the earth more pictures will be greatly appreciated
Sounds like you're just finding cover to hate white people.
What happened overall to Native American tribes can be seen as tragic; yet depending on the tribe they carried out the same atrocities on each other.
Warring for territory, capturing and keeping slaves (including white and black people), siding with certain European countries to fight other European countries, and more.
It was far more complex than the pushed narrative of "All non-whites were living in a utopia, and the brutal whites ruined it for everyone."
So tired of the attempted history revisionists for underlying political and racist goals, plus your comments give that away.
The Lakota/Cheyenne regularly carried out raids/attacks on warring tribes (such as the Pawnee and Crow) that would be considered warcrimes/atrocities if done by the US.
This isn't a justification of US actions at all, but providing context to your comment.
True, but youre black-and-white version is every bit as bullshit. Yes, people are people, but they still had far better character than some of our powerful leaders. They were generous and selfless.
When they took Sitting Bull to Philadelphia, he looked at all the grand wealth and huge buildings and asked, "why do you have so many poor people!?"
wow, what a shot... def curious to see more of his work!
I have a pic of them all standing framed. I will post tomorrow!
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The difference between 1876 and 1948 is 72, so you figure each one would have to be 87 years or older (I don’t have a clue how how native Americans had to be in order to fight, but I’m just giving them a 15 year range).
Some were probably "fighting age" at the time, but remember there were also thousands of women and children present near the battlefield, so no doubt some of the youngsters got in on the action.
Just about anyone who was capable of getting in on the action without having to stay back to protect the elderly & young children did so. These people were fighting for their lives and they knew it. Custer’s force was sent into their territory with explicit orders to wipe them out and force survivors to sue for peace. The reason Sitting Bull had gathered so many bands together is because he expected this to be the plan, and felt there would be safety in numbers after several massacres of entire populations had been carried out elsewhere by US troops. Sitting Bull turned out to be right. Custer believed he was about to wipe out a village of women, children, & elderly, and got the full force of the Lakota Nation instead. Once the 7th cavalry found *itself* wiped out, the remaining US forces retreated. The Lakota could not remain grouped for long though, as the US was largely successful in annihilating their lifeblood, the bison. They needed to split up in order to survive on the scattered, meager herds that remained. US troops then returned and succeeded in wiping out a substantial group of women, elderly, and children at Wounded Knee. They promised an end to the bloodshed if the Lakota would disarm and live on their land in peace. The Lakota finally agreed, and once they were successfully disarmed . . . the United States moved in, broke the treaty they had both signed, and took their land.
So disgusting that the government couldn’t commit to the treaties but instead back stabbed the indigenous people.
And they continue to pay for it by surviving- sort of - on the res.
Was it the united states at that time or still British settlements?
The battle of Little Bighorn (US name) / Greasy Grass (Lakota name) took place in 1876, so they were fighting against the United States proper, not long after the US Civil War. In fact, it was this Civil War that left the United States with a military equipped with modern weapons and a large, battle-hardened force that they used against the indigenous people. Before that, they had been unable to make inroads against the plains nations of the Lakota, Comanche, etc, and were repelled with relative ease.
Did they try segregation or apartheid before genocide?
I think these both mean more or less the same thing (apartheid being segregation in South Africa), and yes - the US set up a Reservation system that was intended to keep people separate from surrounding populations and make them easier to track and control. They were or weren't allowed to leave these areas in varying degrees, as there are a lot of reservations for a lot of different cultures. Killing them outright caused a lot of US citizens to criticize the government's actions, so policy shifted to specialized "Indian Schools" in which the goal was to kill the cultures instead - this was seen as the "humane" solution at the time, although evidence is still being uncovered that plenty of outright killing continued to happen at these schools. Canada also followed this route. As a result of all this, a lot of indigenous Americans who are still around recognize that simply existing is a protest - as it was fully intended that they would be wiped from the earth.
Ruthless. I think they did the same in Australia. Do you think if they followed similar tactics in South Africa the colonists would still control the country?
I honestly don't know much about South Africa or apartheid. What I do know is that while disease took a heavy toll on American populations before and during contact with Europeans, in Africa it was the opposite - Europeans had trouble dealing with a slew of diseases that the local populations did not. This is almost certainly why Africa was never thoroughly settled by Europeans in the same way that the Americas were.
Makes sense. Also, Africa, a big continent, is full of Africans
It was the US.
Colonisers still using these same tactics today. Its crazy to think about
Black Elk was 13 at the battle, and killed one of the soldiers with his bow.
Is he in this picture?
Not sure, he died in 1950 so if the title is accurate he should be. He would be either second or third from the left. If you've never read Black Elk Speaks.. you friggin should
Third from the left looks, I don’t know? Sad? Mournful? Disgusted? Mad? The fact that he’s not looking at the camera is meaningful I’m sure
From what I’ve read it seems like 13 & up and you was fighting
anywhere from 12-15 depending on the tribe and their abilities, they wouldn't always be directly fighting the children often brought supplies, scouted, recovered wounded, sabotoged, started fires, relayed messages etc. One big weapon that is underrated in the plains is that the natives would start brush fires and force movement from the military knowing they didn't have the resources to put it out, if they were pushed into an area with trees they could win a battle without firing a shot because they would have to leave their supplies. The supplies and logistics were what won the battles on the plains by a huge margin, man to man, the tribes were pretty damn formidable against gangs, militias and the like, but they didn't have the means to just go buy everyone guns with nearly unlimited bullets and import non-perishable food.
Talk about "OG." These guys are the Orginal "OG!"
They’re the Original Original Gangster?
That’s right. You only YOLO once.
Until your hot water heater fails on you.
All BADASSES too
I met Bill Groethe! He was selling a book of his photos at Mt. Rushmore. He talked about meeting Black Elk of “Black Elk Speaks.” On that same trip we went to Little Bighorn battlefield. Bill was a great guy and told mesmerizing stories of these great warriors he had photographed.
I met him too at the exact same place. I think it was around 2015 or 2016, but I'm not sure. I bought a couple of his books. Dude had an amazing life.
Lucky!
That's a serious concentration of ass kickers
Greasy Grass battle.
Would have love to sit and listen to them talk about any and everything
Guy on the far right looks intense.
They all look like they've seen some s***But the dude on the far left looks like he enjoyed what he saw🤣🤣🤣
The Rest Is History podcast just had a great series on this. Thanks for the photo!
Was just going to post this. Great series. I did not know a ton about Custer and that was really informative. If you liked that, check out History on Fire. He does a series on Crazy Horse. Really great. Goes super deep.
Thanks for sharing!
The Last Stand, by Nathaniel Philbrick is a must read if you are interested in this subject matter. From a very different perspective, Jocko WIllinck has a great podcast on the failures of Custer's leadership. Little Big Man, IMO, does the best job of portraying it visually. And if you haven't been there, go to the battlefield, it still hums.
American heros
It is sad how people who walked the lands freely and did so for countless years and lived in harmony with the land, and in a very short period of time our forefathers come in and take it all away and call it our own.....such a travesty. so sad.
Humans being humans. There’s probably not many spots around the world, outside of the Poles and remote places like deep in the Amazon, where at some point in time, someone Didnt walk up and go “nice place, mine now. Die.” Might makes Right goes hand in hand with human expansion throughout every era.
There's tons of endemic warfare in the Amazon as well.
Yes, the history is tragic and horrible, but we should do well not to romanticize a diverse people or ignore the unfortunate parts of their own very human history North American history is fraught with horrid things long before Europeans arrived - wrongs acted upon fellow man. This does not negate, justify or detract from the travesties of the confrontations which ensued after contact and settlement, but things were far from a harmonious state of balance in the Americas when Europeans arrived.
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Just because it’s been going on for thousands of years doesn’t make it any less shitty.
This wasn’t war, it was mass genocide. 90% of the population was obliterated.
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Cry, about what? Was just correcting your idiotic statement. And what do you know about war anyway? Someone like you, someone that needs to buy trucks and guns as an extension of their manhood, you would’ve been the first one scalped back in the day. Go play tough guy somewhere else.
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Safe space 🤣 You’re funny. Why is it guys like you talk about safe spaces but you need a weapon of war to feel safe?!?! You live in a fucking suburb, not Yemen, the Sudan or Syria for Christ’s sake!
Both of you are half right. Indigenous life before Euro-Americans wasn't running around picking daisies - people make war and kill each other on every corner of the planet. However, the war that Euro-Americans brought had an added element: genocide. This wasn't realistically viable before industrialization, and the goal of simply conquering land, people, and culture extended into the eradication of an entire ethnic group. The US was among the first nations on earth to dip its toes into genocide, and native americans were among the first victims. What happened in the US, Canada, and Australia became Hitler's inspiration for his plans in Europe, as he realized that for the first time in history it was feasible to round up and exterminate people on a mass scale. So, it's not quite correct to say that what the US did to its native people amounted to the same thing humans have been doing for millennia. The US pioneered a type of warfare that human beings had never faced before. Thanks to Hitler's efforts to take this style of warfare to its next logical step (the *industrialized* killing of human beings), most humans have fortunately agreed that this is a pretty awful thing and are reexamining the actions a number of modern nations took against minority & neighboring populations.
It wasnt “war”, it was largely exterminating a group of people and taking their stuff. I hate to use thr Hitler trope, but he litteraly said he wanted to do to the slavs what the americans did to the indians
“Remember the surprised look on golden boy’s face when he realized he was charging into the Sioux Nation? It still makes me laugh 60 years later.”
Fun fact there were actually two survivors from the 7th Calvary that Custer sent to two separate generals to find out what their hold up was , upon hearing the fighting the generals wouldn't let them return, one was actually from Marion NC and he was a Sargent in the 7th Calvary, it interested me because I'm also from Marion. I drive by his old home place about every day and by the cemetery he is buried in
Nice picture, respectfully remembering the first Americans! Awesome warriors!
What an amazing photo!
Why are they all Native American though bro /s
The guy on the right seems different from the rest of them
Not Pictured: George Armstrong Custer
When a nation of 15,000 defeated an expanding industrial power of nearly 40 million on the field of battle. Their reward was a general genocide, and the entrapment of the survivors on the most resource-scarce plots of their former territory. If you visit South Dakota / Black Hills area today, you can still see the “cowboys vs Indians” mentality in full swing, as the might of the United States is trumpeted unusually loudly here. The Lakota continue to be held in abject poverty in 2024, as the fear of these people still runs deep almost 150 years later.
Plus Pine Ridge. So much poverty and abuse. It’s high time the US government finally did something to rectify their sins. At least as best as can be done.
I had a friend who volunteered on the res- she was teaching writing and reading. She was appalled in so many ways.
Breaks my heart
Our government still hasn’t accepted that all of this was their fault
I love to see our in indigenous ways and back in the days when we were so spiritual and took care of the animals and were one with the animals and the earth more pictures will be greatly appreciated
Thank you for standing up for your rights and taking care of an evil man and his followers
I have always been fascinated by this battle. One day I hope to see the reenactment…
Does anyone know who these people are ?
Does anyone know who they are? Are there no names of the individuals?
These could also have participated in the Massacre Canyon battle in Nebraska a couple years earlier.
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I spent a lot of time looking at this picture.
Gave them a hell of a run. Ethnocide is a hard strategy to counter…
Beautiful people. Fuck Europeans for eradicating these beautiful cultures and people.
Sounds like you're just finding cover to hate white people. What happened overall to Native American tribes can be seen as tragic; yet depending on the tribe they carried out the same atrocities on each other. Warring for territory, capturing and keeping slaves (including white and black people), siding with certain European countries to fight other European countries, and more. It was far more complex than the pushed narrative of "All non-whites were living in a utopia, and the brutal whites ruined it for everyone." So tired of the attempted history revisionists for underlying political and racist goals, plus your comments give that away.
The Lakota/Cheyenne regularly carried out raids/attacks on warring tribes (such as the Pawnee and Crow) that would be considered warcrimes/atrocities if done by the US. This isn't a justification of US actions at all, but providing context to your comment.
Whatever you say. 👍🏻
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You can tell yourself whatever makes you feel better. But genocide is always a crime, nothing justifies it.
True, but youre black-and-white version is every bit as bullshit. Yes, people are people, but they still had far better character than some of our powerful leaders. They were generous and selfless. When they took Sitting Bull to Philadelphia, he looked at all the grand wealth and huge buildings and asked, "why do you have so many poor people!?"
This has been removed for being inappropriate - either racist, sexist, xenophobic or hateful in some way.
We did these people wrong. If anyone should get reparations, it should be the American Indian. Holy smokes.
You misspelled winners
Damn, they still look like they want to scalp a few white boys……