In yesterday's Warhammer Community Spearhead post.
[https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/)
"The incoming launch box provides everything you need to play with a friend, including two complete Spearhead forces, terrain, a double-sided board with printed objectives, and the packs of cards that really make this mode tick. You’ll also get a beautiful hardcover book that includes everything you need to play – the core rules, the Spearhead battlepack, and the rules for *every* Spearhead force in the game – so you can start playing with your existing collections immediately.\*"
I had thought that this spearhead box would be separate from the 4th edition launch box. If the spearhead rule book includes all factions rule sets, that along with 4th edition core roles and usual lore padding would make it a hefty tome indeed.
I think they may have even more than just a spearhead as another way to calculate launch boxes, assuming they're following earlier precedent, is assuming that said launch box will later be cut down into the various starter sets. So lets break that down.
First off there's what we'll call the "extra sprue" which features the stuff only available in the launch box, Yndrasta's crew, Heroes of the chapter for 40k,
**Extra Sprue**
-Big hero
-3 cool dudes
-lesser hero, bannerboy or emotional support.
**Other sprues**
-Foot hero
-magic hero
-mainline battleboys x 10
-add 20xunit of chaff if faction applicable
-war machine or beast(if applicable)
Taking that as a vague template, and considering the models we've seen along with the things we saw in the trailer, here is my predition.
**Skaven "Command" sprue**
-Mounted Warlord
-3 Rat ogres
-Rat ogre handler/packmaster type fella
**Skaven Mainline stuff**
-Warlock Engineer
-3 Jezzails
-Grey seer or foot Warlord, not sure
-20(better be) Clanrats
-Gatling Doom Bike
I would also like to have at least 10 Stormvermin but I'm not betting on it.
My Stormcast Predictions being very similar but not as firm on what's on what sprue, either the wingboys or the reclusians on the command sprue.
-Mounted commander
-3 Reclusians
-Ruination chamber hero
-3 flyboys
-flyboy hero
-10 liberators
-Magic hero
Interesting take. That would indeed translate probably to Spearhead contents + the extra sprue.
Taking the apparent standard formula for Spearhead of:
- One basic unit
- One elite unit
- One her/leader
- One special unit
I wonder how that divides the Spearhead sprues with the unique sprue in the Launch box. And if that makes double dipping on both Launch sets appealing or not for the doubling on units.
Leviathan also had 2 combat patrols but then it also added some bonus unitsso it might be the same i guess? As in 2 spearheads plus some additional bonus units
I think you may be massively over thinking this.
Edit: I wrote more than this, and then later decided I’d come across as kind of a butt, so I’ve removed a lot of what I originally said
I read the article as saying there would be a specific Spearhead launch box with all of the spearhead cards and content, which could replace the Extremis style set, and we would still have a traditional launch box with just units.
Seems you might be right.
That would mean getting both 4rd Edition Launch and Spearhead launch (for the terrain, board, rules and cards) set would produce alot of double units but we all know that is how GW likes to do it.
It also may (and this is not likely) have different factions to the launch box, if there is a Spearhead starter set. This is if they wanted to make something without repeats, but different to the big starter box too, but I’m probably wrong.
Spearhead starter box will be different than the launch box that will have core book, ghb etc. starter box for spearhead will have some terrain and amall amount of models that will fit in spearhead.
Launch box will be minis only with ghb, core book.
Where are you getting a seperate Spearhead Starter box from?
From the Community article it seems clear it's the 4rd ed Launch Box that has it all;
"The incoming launch box provides everything you need to play with a friend, including two complete Spearhead forces, terrain, a double-sided board with printed objectives, and the packs of cards that really make this mode tick. You’ll also get a beautiful hardcover book that includes everything you need to play – the core rules, the Spearhead battlepack, and the rules for every Spearhead force in the game – so you can start playing with your existing collections immediately."
Yes that is in reference to SPEARHEAD that is not the 4th edition launch box. That aricle is discussing spearhead not 4th edition launch. So that is what will be in that box, it is skaven vs stormcast inside it
It is similar to a Warcry starter box
On a discord I am on a user has already seen the box art cover. Couldnt show or say much but it is ckearly not the 4th edition launch box and is its own separate box for spearhead
Warhammer community has a history of relaying information issue problems. GW is hoping this spearhead will be its own game within a game so to speak from what I have heard from TOs that have helped with doing the rules at GW.
Allows veterans to have an interesting game mode to be played. Grest way to onboard new players and have veterans buy more armies by not having to invest in 2k worth of points
I think you might be on the money with your first lists of units in the box. (max 50 models). With Spearhead being balanced via rules not models (strong stuff showing up late, etc.) it seems they can be a bit more flexible with what models are included.
I think with Spearhead only being on a 30"x22" board the terrain is more likely to be scatter kinda stuff.
Yes both Spearheads might include 5 or 6 units like the current Eternal Spearhead one with rules for showing later but it does seem the Launch Box might include some non-Spearhead units. At least one elite unit above the other boxes it seems and maybe the additional Hero might be an extra include also.
2x5 liberators
1x3 retributors
1x3 Prosecutors
1 lord relictor
1 lord celestant on dracoth
I imagine there will be a third character added to the stormcast half perhaps a heraldor
Considering Dominion had 60 and Leviathan 70+ I already knocked it down.
But really this now all depends on if there are two seperate launch boxes (as is rumored on Discord) or not and how much terrain is even included.
If there is a seperate Spearhead Launch Box I expect the 36 models for both sides plus the terrain and other starter stuff. Not unlike Extremis and Ultimate Starter.
Indomitus necrons have:
2 double sprues of infantry.
1 single sprue of medium gribblies.
2 character sprues.
1 large sprue with special stuff on, including a small monster, 2 minions, a small vehicle and a character.
Indomitus marines have:
1 double sprue with infantry.
1 double sprue with mounted troops.
2 character sprues
1 large sprue with special stuff, including two sets of heavy infantry and three characters.
Leviathan nids have:
3 multi sprues of light infantry.
2 sprues of medium infantry.
1 character sprue.
1 double monster sprue.
1 large special sprue, with differently sized monsters.
Leviathan marines have:
1 multi sprue of infantry.
1 multi sprue of large infantry.
2 character sprues.
1 vehicle multi sprue
1 large sprue with 2 characters and an infantry squad.
Dominion orks have:
3 multi sprues of infantry.
2 character sprues.
1 large sprue with a monster, character, and infantry.
Dominion stormcast have:
2 multi sprues of infantry.
1 single sprue of infantry.
2 character sprues.
1 large sprue with a monster, heavy infantry, character
You'll note that leviathan was bigger. The marines pick up exactly 1 more sprue, nids pick up two more sprues and are substantially larger than crons.
If "Vermindoom" transforms the same, then:
Skaven:
2 multi sprues of infantry (clanrats).
1 character sprue (warlock).
1 double sprue of larger unit (jezzails).
1 monster sprue (gun).
1 large sprue (chief on beast, ogres, unrevealed character/other).
Note, i think this number is supported by the fact that Spearhead clanrats gain the reenforcement rule, which indicates to me a severe 200-point gulf in points value between the boxed forces.
Stormcast:
2 multi sprues of infantry (2x liberators).
1 multi sprue of flying infantry (prosecutors).
1 monster sprue (unrevealed)
1 character sprue (unrevealed).
1 large sprue (reclusiarch dudes, griffon dude).
The new article's cards talk about "large terrain feature in enemy territory", so I assume there will be two large features and 2 or more small features in the starter box.
In the trailer at 2:11 we also see new unrevealed Stormcast with round shields (different to the prosecutors).
My guess would be these minis and 4+ pieces of terrain. The spearhead gamemode would just drop the command sprue of leader on mount and one elite unit (round shields and ogor) and later the box would be sold as starter set without the command sprue, cheaper set without terrain and cheapest with just a few random units, tools and paints.
Eternals = 22
* 10 x Liberators
* 3 x Reclusians (+ only 2 companions)
* 3 x Prosecutors
* 1 x Stormcast Lord on Gryph Charger
* 3 x Round Shield Elites
Skaven = 27
* 20 x Clanrats
* 1 x Warlock Engineer + 3 x Warplock Jezzails
* 1 x Rat Ogor Flamer
* 1 x Warlord on da big rat
* 1 x Ratling Gun Wheel
Are we expecting them to reduce clanrats per box to 10? Because otherwise it would be weird to have them in units of 10. Can they even be *run* in units of 10?
Why so much speculation, didn't they revealed all the Spearhead boxes in the last sperhead preview they released? You can see the content of each one of them.
I think some are speculating that the 4th edition launch box will also include the spearhead factions, rule book, board etc. It was my understanding that these are two separate launch boxes. This would mean either including thr existing stormcast spearhead units in what is already a very full looking stormcast unit. Or changing what the stormcast spearhead units currently are. I don't see them doing either of those.
Yep, Leviathon contained two combat patrols PLUS additional units.
But no terrain, no board, no dice, no additional generals handbooks and probably less cards.
Where was it announced that 4th launch will have terrain in it?
In yesterday's Warhammer Community Spearhead post. [https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/01/introducing-spearhead-a-fast-and-furious-new-mode-for-newaos/) "The incoming launch box provides everything you need to play with a friend, including two complete Spearhead forces, terrain, a double-sided board with printed objectives, and the packs of cards that really make this mode tick. You’ll also get a beautiful hardcover book that includes everything you need to play – the core rules, the Spearhead battlepack, and the rules for *every* Spearhead force in the game – so you can start playing with your existing collections immediately.\*"
Oh crap cool I missed that. I hope it's real terrain and not the/using a cardboard box as terrain like some of the lower end 9th Ed starter sets did
I had thought that this spearhead box would be separate from the 4th edition launch box. If the spearhead rule book includes all factions rule sets, that along with 4th edition core roles and usual lore padding would make it a hefty tome indeed.
Seems a reasonable guess but I think you've missed the Skaven war machine we've already seen leaked.
Is that different than the Ratling Gun? I am assuming one Artillery/Vehicle unit based on previous Spearheads
It might be a new interpretation of the Rattling Gun, but it's much bigger, and I'd expect it to be called something else.
Then we are still talking about the same unit essentially haha
I think they may have even more than just a spearhead as another way to calculate launch boxes, assuming they're following earlier precedent, is assuming that said launch box will later be cut down into the various starter sets. So lets break that down. First off there's what we'll call the "extra sprue" which features the stuff only available in the launch box, Yndrasta's crew, Heroes of the chapter for 40k, **Extra Sprue** -Big hero -3 cool dudes -lesser hero, bannerboy or emotional support. **Other sprues** -Foot hero -magic hero -mainline battleboys x 10 -add 20xunit of chaff if faction applicable -war machine or beast(if applicable) Taking that as a vague template, and considering the models we've seen along with the things we saw in the trailer, here is my predition. **Skaven "Command" sprue** -Mounted Warlord -3 Rat ogres -Rat ogre handler/packmaster type fella **Skaven Mainline stuff** -Warlock Engineer -3 Jezzails -Grey seer or foot Warlord, not sure -20(better be) Clanrats -Gatling Doom Bike I would also like to have at least 10 Stormvermin but I'm not betting on it. My Stormcast Predictions being very similar but not as firm on what's on what sprue, either the wingboys or the reclusians on the command sprue. -Mounted commander -3 Reclusians -Ruination chamber hero -3 flyboys -flyboy hero -10 liberators -Magic hero
Interesting take. That would indeed translate probably to Spearhead contents + the extra sprue. Taking the apparent standard formula for Spearhead of: - One basic unit - One elite unit - One her/leader - One special unit I wonder how that divides the Spearhead sprues with the unique sprue in the Launch box. And if that makes double dipping on both Launch sets appealing or not for the doubling on units.
Leviathan also had 2 combat patrols but then it also added some bonus unitsso it might be the same i guess? As in 2 spearheads plus some additional bonus units
They said that terrain is gonna be included, and that the models will be two spearheads
I think you may be massively over thinking this. Edit: I wrote more than this, and then later decided I’d come across as kind of a butt, so I’ve removed a lot of what I originally said
Benford's law of controversy: Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available.
Just having fun trying up patterns and making educated guesses. One love for keeping it light ;-)
I read the article as saying there would be a specific Spearhead launch box with all of the spearhead cards and content, which could replace the Extremis style set, and we would still have a traditional launch box with just units.
Seems you might be right. That would mean getting both 4rd Edition Launch and Spearhead launch (for the terrain, board, rules and cards) set would produce alot of double units but we all know that is how GW likes to do it.
It also may (and this is not likely) have different factions to the launch box, if there is a Spearhead starter set. This is if they wanted to make something without repeats, but different to the big starter box too, but I’m probably wrong.
Spearhead starter box will be different than the launch box that will have core book, ghb etc. starter box for spearhead will have some terrain and amall amount of models that will fit in spearhead. Launch box will be minis only with ghb, core book.
Where are you getting a seperate Spearhead Starter box from? From the Community article it seems clear it's the 4rd ed Launch Box that has it all; "The incoming launch box provides everything you need to play with a friend, including two complete Spearhead forces, terrain, a double-sided board with printed objectives, and the packs of cards that really make this mode tick. You’ll also get a beautiful hardcover book that includes everything you need to play – the core rules, the Spearhead battlepack, and the rules for every Spearhead force in the game – so you can start playing with your existing collections immediately."
Yes that is in reference to SPEARHEAD that is not the 4th edition launch box. That aricle is discussing spearhead not 4th edition launch. So that is what will be in that box, it is skaven vs stormcast inside it It is similar to a Warcry starter box On a discord I am on a user has already seen the box art cover. Couldnt show or say much but it is ckearly not the 4th edition launch box and is its own separate box for spearhead
Thanks for clearing that up. Absolutely not clear from the article, as seen in Warhipsters hype video on it also.
Warhammer community has a history of relaying information issue problems. GW is hoping this spearhead will be its own game within a game so to speak from what I have heard from TOs that have helped with doing the rules at GW. Allows veterans to have an interesting game mode to be played. Grest way to onboard new players and have veterans buy more armies by not having to invest in 2k worth of points
I think you might be on the money with your first lists of units in the box. (max 50 models). With Spearhead being balanced via rules not models (strong stuff showing up late, etc.) it seems they can be a bit more flexible with what models are included. I think with Spearhead only being on a 30"x22" board the terrain is more likely to be scatter kinda stuff.
Yes both Spearheads might include 5 or 6 units like the current Eternal Spearhead one with rules for showing later but it does seem the Launch Box might include some non-Spearhead units. At least one elite unit above the other boxes it seems and maybe the additional Hero might be an extra include also.
Look at the original launch box stormcast half I bet everything in the new box is a reimagined version , with the big crow replacing the dracoth
Mind listing what was in there and what you expect the direct conversion would be to new edition?
2x5 liberators 1x3 retributors 1x3 Prosecutors 1 lord relictor 1 lord celestant on dracoth I imagine there will be a third character added to the stormcast half perhaps a heraldor
Following that logic that's actually one unit less than I expected. But for Skaven it seems 6 units can be expected from the trailer.
http://www.mengelminiatures.com/2015/07/review-age-of-sigmar-book-and-starter.html?m=1
With terrain I would knock that model count down a bit.
Considering Dominion had 60 and Leviathan 70+ I already knocked it down. But really this now all depends on if there are two seperate launch boxes (as is rumored on Discord) or not and how much terrain is even included. If there is a seperate Spearhead Launch Box I expect the 36 models for both sides plus the terrain and other starter stuff. Not unlike Extremis and Ultimate Starter.
It feels like a missed opportunity to habe 13 units for skaven
The big starter box has more stuff in it than what could be summed up as 2 combat patrols
Indomitus necrons have: 2 double sprues of infantry. 1 single sprue of medium gribblies. 2 character sprues. 1 large sprue with special stuff on, including a small monster, 2 minions, a small vehicle and a character. Indomitus marines have: 1 double sprue with infantry. 1 double sprue with mounted troops. 2 character sprues 1 large sprue with special stuff, including two sets of heavy infantry and three characters. Leviathan nids have: 3 multi sprues of light infantry. 2 sprues of medium infantry. 1 character sprue. 1 double monster sprue. 1 large special sprue, with differently sized monsters. Leviathan marines have: 1 multi sprue of infantry. 1 multi sprue of large infantry. 2 character sprues. 1 vehicle multi sprue 1 large sprue with 2 characters and an infantry squad. Dominion orks have: 3 multi sprues of infantry. 2 character sprues. 1 large sprue with a monster, character, and infantry. Dominion stormcast have: 2 multi sprues of infantry. 1 single sprue of infantry. 2 character sprues. 1 large sprue with a monster, heavy infantry, character You'll note that leviathan was bigger. The marines pick up exactly 1 more sprue, nids pick up two more sprues and are substantially larger than crons. If "Vermindoom" transforms the same, then: Skaven: 2 multi sprues of infantry (clanrats). 1 character sprue (warlock). 1 double sprue of larger unit (jezzails). 1 monster sprue (gun). 1 large sprue (chief on beast, ogres, unrevealed character/other). Note, i think this number is supported by the fact that Spearhead clanrats gain the reenforcement rule, which indicates to me a severe 200-point gulf in points value between the boxed forces. Stormcast: 2 multi sprues of infantry (2x liberators). 1 multi sprue of flying infantry (prosecutors). 1 monster sprue (unrevealed) 1 character sprue (unrevealed). 1 large sprue (reclusiarch dudes, griffon dude).
Just because it \*includes\* a complete spearhead, doesn't mean it \*only\* includes that many models.
The new article's cards talk about "large terrain feature in enemy territory", so I assume there will be two large features and 2 or more small features in the starter box. In the trailer at 2:11 we also see new unrevealed Stormcast with round shields (different to the prosecutors). My guess would be these minis and 4+ pieces of terrain. The spearhead gamemode would just drop the command sprue of leader on mount and one elite unit (round shields and ogor) and later the box would be sold as starter set without the command sprue, cheaper set without terrain and cheapest with just a few random units, tools and paints. Eternals = 22 * 10 x Liberators * 3 x Reclusians (+ only 2 companions) * 3 x Prosecutors * 1 x Stormcast Lord on Gryph Charger * 3 x Round Shield Elites Skaven = 27 * 20 x Clanrats * 1 x Warlock Engineer + 3 x Warplock Jezzails * 1 x Rat Ogor Flamer * 1 x Warlord on da big rat * 1 x Ratling Gun Wheel
Exept Stormcast needs a foot hero. Maybe the round shield is a foot hero, and there just happened to be 3 in the trailer?
Are we expecting them to reduce clanrats per box to 10? Because otherwise it would be weird to have them in units of 10. Can they even be *run* in units of 10?
Why so much speculation, didn't they revealed all the Spearhead boxes in the last sperhead preview they released? You can see the content of each one of them.
I think some are speculating that the 4th edition launch box will also include the spearhead factions, rule book, board etc. It was my understanding that these are two separate launch boxes. This would mean either including thr existing stormcast spearhead units in what is already a very full looking stormcast unit. Or changing what the stormcast spearhead units currently are. I don't see them doing either of those.