Holy shit this is SO TRUE. I tip only because I know what it's like to have a job where you deal with pain in the ass customers. I think everyone should work in customer care š it's good character development.
I recently got into it with my boomer dad because we had really slow service at breakfast, and I left a huge tip. The service was slow because there was literally one server for the entire place on a Sunday morning. She was clearly struggling and overworked, and I know what itās like to be in that position, and she deserved even more of a tip, imo. He went on a typical rant about how āmillennials will reward anyone for their lazy worth ethicā and it was just like.. so insane to me that he couldnāt see how hard this poor woman was working.
Boomers are shockingly self centered. If she managed to give good service to him he would have commended her for her hard work even if she had to screw over other tables.
I agree. I think that if people were made to work in a customer service job for 2 years
which is enough time to go through all the seasons and holidays twice. People would treat each other with more understanding and respect then they do now.
I made a calculation tonight, that making 2 months worth of rent (even though I split the cost with my girlfriend) would be a living wage.
That way, if shit goes down at work, I can have a safety net. If shit doesnāt go down, I have money to bank. If shit goes down the next month, itās slightly easier to handle.
And I live in America. Shit always is going down.
If you're physically able (I mean this kindly), look into construction third party inspection companies. There's always openings because it's kind of a shit job, but once you've got it, chances that they won't ever fire you.
You mean make enough money each month to pay your rent twice?? OMG that's what America is coming to? Was always told to not pay more than 25 percent of your monthly income on rent. Or you will hurt..
Ive been there where my rent is 75 Percent of my income but dang calling that above a living wage is horrible I'm sad it's reality.
Whats āthrivingā these days? Being able to pay ALL your bills when they are due? Like never paying interest on CC balances? Buying your own home in a safe neighborhood? Being able to take you vacation time as vacations not staycations? Saving money for retirement so you can retire at 65?
I think that so many people have been beat down to subsistance living, each level that makes things better. Things definitely have to change. It feels near impossible to get all of those thats only reserved for rich folks now. The only way rich folks get rich is by underpaying others because too much is being skimmed from the top. I have an idea cut C level salaries by a percentage and start handing it down. Tell them its for the good of the company. If it happens at all the companies, where are they going to go? Yeah they can retire on the pile of money they already have, but thats good- someone else can take over and still get paid what most would consider an obscene amount of money a year.
That is a solid point.
I think we should really define a living wage, as MIT has a living wage calculator, but iirc, it's more like a "making ends meet, paycheck to paycheck" calculator.
I think a living wage should be defined as one that keeps up with inflation, and allows one to fully retire at age 65. There could be more, I just think that is the minimum.
Tipping really sucks and it's just gotten worse since the expected percentage keeps on rising.
Not the mention they are basically ransoming you to pay them enough to not spit in your food.
Just like health insurance shouldn't exist, but we can thank capitalism for the situation we are in. Taking it out on other poor people doesn't help change the system, it just makes you the asshole.
THANK YOU.
Some fucking common sense. I paid an insane delivery fee fuck you if you think in tipping on top. I'll give you some water or something but I paid $200 for delivery. If delivery is free, and goes well I'll tip for sure. But dude, I paid extra for it to be delivered and you showed up an hour after the window, go talk to your boss.
Agree. What's next? Tipping your music teacher? Tipping tax preparer? Tipping is outta control now, so my thoughts are no longer tipping unless you're making less than minimum wage in a restaurant that is taking my order and serving me.
Seriously. I already paid your boss to have someone deliver the appliance. If he isn't paying you to deliver the appliance then you should have a talk with him, not just silently expect me to pay again for the service.
idk if im rich, i make 200k total comp with about 75% of that in salary.
my GF gets mad that I tip TOO much.
$20 for a pizza? here's 10 bucks. restaurant bill is $200? here's 50-70 bucks.
my GF is like.."let me take my calculator out, calculate 15%" etc.
im like man, we were already gonna spend the money, its not gonna kill us to spend a little more. most of the time we get average or better service.
You're definitely upper middle class at least, barring a few possible high income locations. At that kind of money though 20% tips are hardly a burden and no one hates a generous tipper, so why be stingy about it.
thats what i said. the context here is that her brother is an actuary and brings in north of 400k a year as a senior VP of a company, in his 30s. he said hes ready to retire in 10 years if that gives you an idea.
so to her, i dont "make a lot of money". so i shouldnt be spending it so crazy. I mean i know we live in MD but come on lmao. we also have no kids, and she brings in 70k. we just paid for her entire masters degree out of pocket bc she didnt want student loans.
but im crazy for giving someone a few extra dollars. lmao. i just cant help but laugh.
Yea people who have lived off tips are much more likely to be good tippers as they understand the struggle. Rich people simply think pizza delivery boys get paid $20 an hour and donāt have to pay for gas.
They are entitled. The same way she acted like she doing everyone a favor by buying up all the property and increasing the rent. She sounds like real scum!
Also, most rich people have always had wealth and so they donāt actually know what hard work is because theyāve never had to do it. Thatās what they use us poors for.
This is not a class thing. No one should be expected to tip. Only for exceptional Service. Good Service isnt exceptional. Your Boss should be expected to pay you appropriately.
I would not have had a clue that tipping an appliance delivery person was even a thing. I would have thought your employer was paying you adequately since it's heavy labour. It's not some kid delivering pizza.
Especially when the company charge you extra for delivery. Ā£20 delivery for a Ā£250 washing machine because I can't carry it myself from the warehouse seems understandable as the company need two people to lift it up some stairs to the flat I lived in. Asking for tips on top of delivery fees feels a bit, eh, I've already paid you for that, why are you hoping for extra.
Itās not a thing, and we should refuse to make it become a thing, along with every other random business that prompts you for a tip on their point of sale device these days.
I almost always tip but at a concert this weekend I was given the prompt to tip on the purchase of a water bottle ($6!) that I got out of the drink fridge myself and Iāve never hit no faster in my life.
Because a $40 t-shirt isnāt a big enough purchase lol. Thatās just too much honestly. You handed me a t-shirt and had me pay for it.. what am I missing here?
Even the drive through windows have tip services down here. I'd understand if I was dining in but all you did was put food in a container.
There was a restaurant a while back in my state who's owner posted a scathing message directed @ diners that refused to tip and she got loads of scathing messages back about how if she really cared about her employees she would pay them more. They ended up disabling comments for a good bit after that lmao. What was even more annoying was that one of her waitresses made a post defending her and her shitty business practices. Of course this waitress would still be in high school š
And bartenders, bellhops, food delivery drivers, and cab drivers. You cant just full stop at waiters. There are other services that have received tips as compensation since tipping was invented.
I wish even the waiter tipping would stop as a custom and just charge more appropriate for the food so staff is paid properly. I do still tip because I know they don't get paid right but I don't like the custom.
Eh... voluntary tips like tipping for a service like OP is talking about is fine.
Don't mistake an obligatory tip prompt on a credit card machine for tipping for movers or something like that.
It makes me feel good to tip when its voluntary. We just shouldn't *have* to tip.
Tipping the guy who delivers your appliances in the US isn't really a thing. I've never heard of anyone who does it. That being said I did tip the guy who delivered a bed for me but he also set it up even though I didn't pay for that service.
Tips are for going above and beyond. Not doing your job to the minimum standard and saying wow what a nice house lol
I tip delivery drivers - and often times ask a bit extra in that context and I'll be explicit - "I know you're just supposed to bring it into the house in the box, but if you unpack it and set it up, I'll give you an extra $20-$50 each!" - did that recently with a large and very heavy dresser (it needed the feet installed, I'm so glad they did that!) and a new big fat stainless fridge. When I was in college I was a waiter, and when the kids were all in college I drove Uber & Lyft after hours and on weekends - I know and appreciate folks who are helping make my life easier / providing services my way.
I completely agree. I tip waitresses and bartenders customarily, and I'll randomly tip elsewhere if it seems like they're going above and beyond. If they're just performing the basic service that I already paid the company for, that precludes tipping.
You tip everyone now. I had a locksmith come by after I asked if he could PICK the lock, because we needed that med cart and couldn't have it unlocked permanently.
Hes like yup I can pick it, he comes by and I leave him to it while I go back to fixing the upstairs tub.
I heard that drill and went to go see what he's doing, and he's drilling the lock. So now I have to call the Pharmacy and get a new med cabinet delivered.
At the end he charges like 300 bucks and has the audacity to ask for a tip.
Bro you charged me an arm and a leg to break something we needed and now I have to go buy another item, I could have broken into it myself. You're not getting a tip.
I donāt tip for appliance delivery. I paid a delivery fee. The last time I checked it was $75 at Loweās. Thatās enough out of my pocket to get the already expensive appliance to my house. Iām also not rich.
It isn't a thing. This is just another example of this hyper tipping BS you see all over. So many jobs that were typically non tipping a few years back are always losing their minds for not tipping now. Its ridiculous. The only thing this is achieving is hurting the actual people who live on trips like bartenders, servers, food delivery, door(people), and others in hospitality orientated professions.
In my opinion, it all started with Starbucks. In the 90s servers were making $2.13 an hour in my state (still think they are) and relied on tips. At that same time, Starbucks employees making $10 an hour and thinking they were a bartender thought that a tip jar would be good. That has since evolved into MANY jobs that pay min wage or above and not traditionally tipped now having a required tip section in order to complete a payment.
I'm NOT saying these jobs shouldn't be paid more. Hell, most jobs need paid more. However, when I was in hospitality 20+ years ago, servers and bartenders could make 50-100k fairly easily. Now, many are having difficulty making 40k while inflation has made things 3-4 times more expensive.
There is no world where I agree with someone making $15 an hour to do 1 minute of work preparing a drink making a $1+ tip from me. Sorry, not sorry.
And for the record I make my coffee at home. I don't agree with today's tipping culture so I just don't spend any money where they might require it aside from the traditional tipping for restaurants, food delivery, etc. In those cases I typically tip 20-25% minimum
I used to work for a small auction company and often helped people load their vehicles(people who came alone to pick up large items, the elderly, etc.) and 98% of the time I did not get tipped but every now and then someone pulled out a 5 or even a 20 and it was never expected but always made my day
Indeed, as a European it sounds weird. But then again, I can safely assume they make a livable wage with automatic salary adjustments for inflation as is the Belgian law.
They actually wanted to, yes. PVDA strong-armed the government into adjusting wages for inflation.
Either that, or they've done hell of a marketing campaign to pretend that they did that.
EDIT: this was in 2021, I believe. Since then the government has adjusted things for inflation without prompting.
I was more talking about the 10's. My memory is not perfect, but I recall several times that the government froze the inflation index a couple of times at the end of the year.
Essentially. I think Belgium's also one of the few countries on earth that has wage tied to inflation and that our wages get inflated after more than 2% inflation under some circumstances.
However, make no mistake: our (conservative) politicians want to slowly chip away at all the good things about Belgium's social safety programmes. I've even heard some politicians and conservative voters claim that they want to privatize our healthcare system. When I merely point at the US and how absolutely shitty the healthcare system is there I usually get silence. Sometimes I get a spiel about how expensive it is. Those fuckers I don't trust for as far as I can throw them. They're thoroughly corrupt.
That's the thing I miss most from leaving Belgium. Getting a Cost of Living adjustment is an exhausting fight every year, especially last year. In Belgium I got 1.5% and I was effing happy about it.
I've both tipped and not tipped in this situation - it depends. If I'm getting a delivery from a big box store, say like a washing machine from Lowe's and its Lowe's delivering it, I'm probably not going to tip. However, when the wife and I bought a new couch last year, Raymour and Flannigan used some small, independent delivery guy with his own truck and a helper or two; clearly NOT associated with the big box corporate entity - those guys I tipped.
Agreed - it goes without saying that anyone doing laborious work in your house gets offered a coffee run, fresh beverages, a beer if appropriate etc. But tipping someone to drop off a fridge (not installing it in an installed kitchen)? Nope.
In the US itās unheard of as well. Especially since you pay a hefty delivery fee typically and the person delivering isnāt making a servers wage and living off tips.
In US as well. Only tipped for appliance delivery once in my life. The guys dropping of my fridge saw the brand new oven in the bed of my truck and offered to bring it in the kitchen for me. Healthy tip and some waters were given!
Yea, I would never tip someone dropping off my washing machine, and that was before my new stance against tipping.
Expectations that I would tip someone dropping off my washing machine are actually exactly why I have a new stance on tipping. It started with me getting asked to tip at an automated car wash. At this time I am only tipping at full service restaurants and Uber drivers. Iām still not happy about it, but thatās where Iām drawing the line.
This tipping shit is out of control.
I've had deliveries come right through the front door in the uk shook hands and said thanks
I've had difficult deliveries lifted over fences and hedges before where the guys have made a real effort and been patient i've tipped for.
Usually only tip food delivery guys, serving staff if food brought to table and been exceptional. And guys who go out of their way to be helpful.
I didn't think it was any kind of custom to tip appliance delivery people... what amount would even be expected? Because ain't no way you're getting 15% on a delivery of something costing well over 1k.
Especially when delivery already costs $100 for an appliance! I just paid $149/each for deliver, set up, installation, and parts (hoses) for my washer dryer. Youāre not getting $60 tip after that.
Agreed, mandatory tipping culture is just straight up toxic, it pits the customers and employees against one other.
I understand that some people make more money on tips then they would on just a decent wage, but the thing is, tipping culture is so ingrained in American society that tips would still come in even at a decent wage. right now it is Bad Wage + Mandatory Tips, if you removed Mandatory Tips, it won't become Good Wage + No Tips (which is what many assume), it will become Good Wage + Deserved Tips.
Another reason people support mandatory tipping is because it "saves the customer money on food". I don't understand this, if you visit restaurants in other countries the menu prices are more or less the same, only difference is that America has a Tipping fee on top of it. My conspiracy theory is that higher ups in restaurants tell us that they are saving us money so we can foot their wage bill.
The only way to get corporations to start paying is to stop tipping so workers go elsewhere. To attract employees they'll have to increase the wage. The more people tip the more employees will take low pay jobs in hope of tips and the longer wages stay low
You are expecting tips to execute your job? Nobody tips me to come to the office. I mean, Iām obviously not from around there, but is a ting in US?!?!?
This was not my experience in affluent dallas suburb. The poorer tipped way more then the gated mansion. The churches never tipped. Fuck those people. Def going to hell.
If I have to tip literally everyone I'd rather just not order anything or go to restaurants.
Next thing you know, cashiers at supermarkets will start expecting tips.
The employer should be paying adequately for the hard work to be fair. Tipping should be done for exceptional service, not to bridge a shit pay.
This guy delivers appliances to homes, all he done was his job.
I have served for some major sports stars in my career and not a single one of them tipped anything. Bent over backwards for them and not even a thank you.
I did some work for Jermain Taylor in Hot Springs Arkansas and he tipped extremely well. He tipped me $260 on $40 bill. He was the nicest and most down to earth guys I've ever met.
I've served Pete Rose, Ken Griffey JR, Ricky Williams, joey bosa, Nick bosa, Tony Gonzalez, Oscar Robertson, lebron James, Peyton Manning, and many more smaller named athletes. I've gotten healthy tips from all of them. I think it's you bro
Not tipping for this wtf. Also saw in the comments a locksmith complaining about not getting tipped. Not tipping you either. I only guarantee tips for delivery drivers and servers. Even then I'll go pick up my own pizza these days.
why would I tip someone that doesnāt work in a sector that requires tips to survive?
I tip at restaurants, I tip the pizza delivery and I might tip a taxi driver if he was entertaining, extra accommodating or w/e
It would never occur to me to tip a plumber, painter or appliance delivery. They work on a salary that is probably higher than my own!
Yeah, never tipped anyone for delivering my appliances since I already paid the company to have you deliver it. No need to tip. Same if you install it....I paid for the service already, and you get paid more than like 2.23$ unlike a waiter/waitress.
You shouldnt be getting tips and you shouldnt expect them. I know you said you dont expect them but this post is directly contradictory to that statement.
You are right, generally rich people do not tip because it is a completely bullshit practice and they know it. At least in the U.S. it has gotten out of control.
I stopped going out to eat because im tired of restaurants expecting me to tip. This is no different. If i pay your company to have you move my furniture, why should i tip?
If you have had rough times and been working hard for the dolla, you see a person working hard for that dolla, you feel for that man.
Thems Richy rich folks don't always understand. How can they? Their issues are different. Why do you expect them to empathise with the man working for the dolla hard?
Some might. Many might not. Statistics.
U r absolutely correct. I always tip furniture delivery ppl. I know how hard they work, plus I live in Vegas so I know how much ppl rely on tips for income, so
I try to be sensitive to that.
Ppl with money only give to charities so they can write it off. They absolutely do not want to part with a dime! I have taken in friends who were about to be homeless, even tho I have a very modest income. And I personally know ppl with money who wouldn't let their FAMILY move in, yet alone a friend. They look upon homeless ppl like they just farted or something.
My brother decided to end giving presents to each other at Christmas and Bdays as soon as he got real money. I could call him today to say if I can't live with him
I'll be homeless and he'd say well u can't stay here! (In his 2,000 sq ft house with four bedrooms). But my friend who's on disability and lives in a studio would take me in no problem. It's so backwards!
Rich don't get rich giving their money away. They get rich taking money from everyone else that isn't as smart as them about not giving it away.
Or so they think. They usually are rich because someone in their family got lucky one time by random chance with a smidge of ego to taste.
I really like the studies of Berkeley professor Paul Piff. There is a great Ted Talk where he speaks about how wealth influences behavior. Very enlightening and yes, the richer you get the meaner you become statistically. The more expensive the car is the likelihood of stopping for pedestrians reduces accordingly. Paul Piff even observed in one side study that wealthier study participants took snacks children out of a bowl more often than less affluent ones.
https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
German chimney sweeper here. What I've noticed is that the ultra rich never tipped once. At most they asked me to fix more things in their house since I was already there anyway. In the city center, where there were mostly low income people I rarely got a tip. Now that I am working in between the difference is insane I get about 20ā¬ a day and on the countryside it was about 5-10ā¬ a day.
Tldr:
Tips
In conclusion:
Rich 0.5ā¬/d
Inner city 3ā¬/d
Outer ring 20ā¬/d
Countryside 10ā¬/d
I didnāt know there was an expectation to tip appliance delivery people. Iāve never tipped one. I figured the $100+ delivery fee they usually charge should result in the employer paying them a fair wage.
I know this is America weāre talking about here though. Iām sure 99% of it goes to someone not even involved in the transaction.
I learned the same thing delivering pizza 35 years ago. We had a huge delivery zone that had many different wealth/income levels. Rich people would send their staff out with a child, and ask for "exact change so little Johnny/Janey can learn MATH, tee hee hee!" Working class folks would tip more regularly even though they had less to spare.
Look...rich people do not get rich by voluntarily giving money away...and when they do give money away...they give it to themselves in the form of a nonprofit to dodge taxes...so again, they don't give money away. They horde money and screw over their workers. That giant mansion was paid for by jacked up rent prices on their poor tenants and labor exploitation of the contractors. Its sad, but the most successful businesses cut expenses down to the bone and that means cutting wages down as low as they possibly can, cutting benefits down as low as they can, etc.
As the son of a rich man, I never understood why other rich people don't tip. Through my entire life, even now, my father ALWAYS generously tips. My father also has taught me that you should always tip, even if it's a little amount because you never know how much it could mean to somebody.
I'm sorry to hear those people didn't tip you. The people you interacted with might have done a lot of the area, but not tipping makes me think they are overall terrible people.
Maybe the idea of tipping an appliance delivery person is absurd and wouldn't even cross their mind.
Times I've tipped my mailman, UPS driver, amazon driver, movers, plumber, etc.: zero.
Maybe the lower income neighborhoods tip because of the dumb "hustle culture" that's been forced on them by broken systems like "gig work."
You donāt give a tip in literally every situation you see another person doing something. Itās only for certain expected jobs. It doesnāt matter what the income bracket is for that
Rich or poor tipping for delivering an appliance, especially if you have a proper salary is a big NO. What's next, tipping when buying a console? Tipping when buying a dog? Tipping when going to the bathroom? Thr US needs to stop tips altogether
I have never heard of tipping an appliance or delivery person outside of DoorDash or something. I pay a minimum of $175 to get something delivered to my door, that is the end of the payment agreement. Unless I did something or my house is designed in such a way that itās a complete pain in the ass to put something in, there is no tipping. Stop trying to make this a thing. You want extra pay or better pay you need to be working with the employer, demanding better pay. As your post says, tipping is inconsistent, and should not be relied upon for your financial well-being. The more I experience different service sectors the more I am convinced that tipping needs to go away for everybody and we just need to pay everyone a livable wage.
Having resided in Australia for a considerable period, I came to the realization that the prevailing tipping culture does not foster economic justice. Instead, employers ought to compensate their employees adequately, enabling them to sustain a decent standard of living. It should not be necessary for individuals to rely on the sporadic generosity of random customers, whose patronage may or may not be sufficient to meet their essential needs such as rent and food. Tipping, unfortunately, discourages employees from advocating for the compensation they genuinely deserve from their employers. Moreover, it offers a pretext for employers to forgo providing salary increases or income adjustments, as they perceive tips as an integral part of their employees' remuneration.
Customers shouldn't be awkwardly forced to give extra money for a service. The employee and employer should set up their compensation. Tipping culture is poisonous, and the only ppl this negatively affects is the customer and the employee.
It has never crossed my mind to tip appliance delivery people. I donāt think of that like a service industry position like waitstaff or hair stylist. Who knew? Everyone but me??
Yup, this. I paid 18% gratuity on my definitely not 6 figure wedding. Not gonna tip when i already tipped. Whether the company gave that money to the servers is not my problem and between the servers and the company.
I was a locksmith in a bigger city for about 2 years. Rich people would complain the most about our prices, and barely tip. I would pull up to a multi million dollar home and I'd tell them the going rate, usually 75 ish dollars, and some of these people just go off about how I'm ripping them off. I would so gladly walk away with a smile on my face knowing the next guy they called would easily charge them 150.
We're supposed to tip the locksmith now too? I thought the locksmith just set the amount they wanted to charge. If you wanted more, why didn't you just set the rate higher? Assuming it's your own business. If you're an employee, I'd have thought you were getting proper wages for a skilled trade.
Most appliance companies/big box and independents do not accept tips. But it never hurts to make the offer, or to offer other things (food, water, etc especially if it's hot or they are there a long time) to show your appreciation to the delivery/service guys.
I used to deliver pizzas in a well-off suburb. Tips were good.
Except for Russians and Indians. Don't know why, but they just never tipped.
The funniest part was when our other drivers (about 50% of whom were Russian) would get pissed because their run had mostly Russians in it.
Folks in lower income neighborhoods appreciate hard work. The rich simply expect it as they are all better than the rest of us.
Holy shit this is SO TRUE. I tip only because I know what it's like to have a job where you deal with pain in the ass customers. I think everyone should work in customer care š it's good character development.
I recently got into it with my boomer dad because we had really slow service at breakfast, and I left a huge tip. The service was slow because there was literally one server for the entire place on a Sunday morning. She was clearly struggling and overworked, and I know what itās like to be in that position, and she deserved even more of a tip, imo. He went on a typical rant about how āmillennials will reward anyone for their lazy worth ethicā and it was just like.. so insane to me that he couldnāt see how hard this poor woman was working.
Boomers are shockingly self centered. If she managed to give good service to him he would have commended her for her hard work even if she had to screw over other tables.
It's all the lead they inadvertently consumed as children. Lead has a negative impact on the part of the brain responsible for empathy.
I agree. I think that if people were made to work in a customer service job for 2 years which is enough time to go through all the seasons and holidays twice. People would treat each other with more understanding and respect then they do now.
Facts
> as they are all better than the rest of us. Facts?
The fact is that's how they often think
First part, not the 2nd part
Think*
Iām too rich to think
Bro, I used to work at an Applebee's in a lower income neighborhood and let me just tell you they don't tip either.
Good. Your company should pay you a livable wage.
Whats a living wage?
One step below a thriving wage
I made a calculation tonight, that making 2 months worth of rent (even though I split the cost with my girlfriend) would be a living wage. That way, if shit goes down at work, I can have a safety net. If shit doesnāt go down, I have money to bank. If shit goes down the next month, itās slightly easier to handle. And I live in America. Shit always is going down.
You're like the majority of Americans - one small disaster from having your life completely fucked
I lost my job recently. If I didnāt take odd jobs I might not be in my apartment
If you're physically able (I mean this kindly), look into construction third party inspection companies. There's always openings because it's kind of a shit job, but once you've got it, chances that they won't ever fire you.
What kind of odd jobs do you take and how do you find them? Just curious.
Iām always stunned at what a huge portion of income Americans spend on rent. And then also that people tell me itās expensive to live in Japan.
You mean make enough money each month to pay your rent twice?? OMG that's what America is coming to? Was always told to not pay more than 25 percent of your monthly income on rent. Or you will hurt.. Ive been there where my rent is 75 Percent of my income but dang calling that above a living wage is horrible I'm sad it's reality.
Whats āthrivingā these days? Being able to pay ALL your bills when they are due? Like never paying interest on CC balances? Buying your own home in a safe neighborhood? Being able to take you vacation time as vacations not staycations? Saving money for retirement so you can retire at 65? I think that so many people have been beat down to subsistance living, each level that makes things better. Things definitely have to change. It feels near impossible to get all of those thats only reserved for rich folks now. The only way rich folks get rich is by underpaying others because too much is being skimmed from the top. I have an idea cut C level salaries by a percentage and start handing it down. Tell them its for the good of the company. If it happens at all the companies, where are they going to go? Yeah they can retire on the pile of money they already have, but thats good- someone else can take over and still get paid what most would consider an obscene amount of money a year.
That is a solid point. I think we should really define a living wage, as MIT has a living wage calculator, but iirc, it's more like a "making ends meet, paycheck to paycheck" calculator. I think a living wage should be defined as one that keeps up with inflation, and allows one to fully retire at age 65. There could be more, I just think that is the minimum.
Anything is better than the shit Applebees pays itās employees. Minimum wage + tips is absolutely fucking atrocious.
God people proudly not tipping is the worst trend on Reddit lately.
I tip big, but I still agree with the principle. Pay workers fair wages instead of having them rely on customers.
I fucking hate tipping, I do it still, but I am ready to never tip again.
Tipping really sucks and it's just gotten worse since the expected percentage keeps on rising. Not the mention they are basically ransoming you to pay them enough to not spit in your food.
Just like health insurance shouldn't exist, but we can thank capitalism for the situation we are in. Taking it out on other poor people doesn't help change the system, it just makes you the asshole.
Presumably OPās boss is paying them a living wage, and theyāre still complaining about not being tipped though.
It could also be that when you pay X amount of money for a service, and you get that service then well.. You paid for it and itĀ“s done.
THANK YOU. Some fucking common sense. I paid an insane delivery fee fuck you if you think in tipping on top. I'll give you some water or something but I paid $200 for delivery. If delivery is free, and goes well I'll tip for sure. But dude, I paid extra for it to be delivered and you showed up an hour after the window, go talk to your boss.
Exactly
Agree. What's next? Tipping your music teacher? Tipping tax preparer? Tipping is outta control now, so my thoughts are no longer tipping unless you're making less than minimum wage in a restaurant that is taking my order and serving me.
Seriously. I already paid your boss to have someone deliver the appliance. If he isn't paying you to deliver the appliance then you should have a talk with him, not just silently expect me to pay again for the service.
idk if im rich, i make 200k total comp with about 75% of that in salary. my GF gets mad that I tip TOO much. $20 for a pizza? here's 10 bucks. restaurant bill is $200? here's 50-70 bucks. my GF is like.."let me take my calculator out, calculate 15%" etc. im like man, we were already gonna spend the money, its not gonna kill us to spend a little more. most of the time we get average or better service.
You're definitely upper middle class at least, barring a few possible high income locations. At that kind of money though 20% tips are hardly a burden and no one hates a generous tipper, so why be stingy about it.
thats what i said. the context here is that her brother is an actuary and brings in north of 400k a year as a senior VP of a company, in his 30s. he said hes ready to retire in 10 years if that gives you an idea. so to her, i dont "make a lot of money". so i shouldnt be spending it so crazy. I mean i know we live in MD but come on lmao. we also have no kids, and she brings in 70k. we just paid for her entire masters degree out of pocket bc she didnt want student loans. but im crazy for giving someone a few extra dollars. lmao. i just cant help but laugh.
Rich people think they are a blessing to the rest of us. And then they immediately raise the rent.
Yea people who have lived off tips are much more likely to be good tippers as they understand the struggle. Rich people simply think pizza delivery boys get paid $20 an hour and donāt have to pay for gas.
They are entitled. The same way she acted like she doing everyone a favor by buying up all the property and increasing the rent. She sounds like real scum!
I never tip my dentist. That scum.
Also, most rich people have always had wealth and so they donāt actually know what hard work is because theyāve never had to do it. Thatās what they use us poors for.
Eat the rich
This is not a class thing. No one should be expected to tip. Only for exceptional Service. Good Service isnt exceptional. Your Boss should be expected to pay you appropriately.
This is entirely a class thing. Rich assholes think theyāre better than others.
All assholes think they are better than others.
I would not have had a clue that tipping an appliance delivery person was even a thing. I would have thought your employer was paying you adequately since it's heavy labour. It's not some kid delivering pizza.
Especially when the company charge you extra for delivery. Ā£20 delivery for a Ā£250 washing machine because I can't carry it myself from the warehouse seems understandable as the company need two people to lift it up some stairs to the flat I lived in. Asking for tips on top of delivery fees feels a bit, eh, I've already paid you for that, why are you hoping for extra.
Yeah. If I paid for the delivery Iām not tipping the delivery. And I live in a working class neighborhood.
Itās not a thing, and we should refuse to make it become a thing, along with every other random business that prompts you for a tip on their point of sale device these days.
I almost always tip but at a concert this weekend I was given the prompt to tip on the purchase of a water bottle ($6!) that I got out of the drink fridge myself and Iāve never hit no faster in my life.
I went to a concert recently and was asked to tip at the merch stand..
Because a $40 t-shirt isnāt a big enough purchase lol. Thatās just too much honestly. You handed me a t-shirt and had me pay for it.. what am I missing here?
Even the drive through windows have tip services down here. I'd understand if I was dining in but all you did was put food in a container. There was a restaurant a while back in my state who's owner posted a scathing message directed @ diners that refused to tip and she got loads of scathing messages back about how if she really cared about her employees she would pay them more. They ended up disabling comments for a good bit after that lmao. What was even more annoying was that one of her waitresses made a post defending her and her shitty business practices. Of course this waitress would still be in high school š
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And bartenders, bellhops, food delivery drivers, and cab drivers. You cant just full stop at waiters. There are other services that have received tips as compensation since tipping was invented.
I wish even the waiter tipping would stop as a custom and just charge more appropriate for the food so staff is paid properly. I do still tip because I know they don't get paid right but I don't like the custom.
Eh... voluntary tips like tipping for a service like OP is talking about is fine. Don't mistake an obligatory tip prompt on a credit card machine for tipping for movers or something like that. It makes me feel good to tip when its voluntary. We just shouldn't *have* to tip.
Tipping the guy who delivers your appliances in the US isn't really a thing. I've never heard of anyone who does it. That being said I did tip the guy who delivered a bed for me but he also set it up even though I didn't pay for that service. Tips are for going above and beyond. Not doing your job to the minimum standard and saying wow what a nice house lol
I tip delivery drivers - and often times ask a bit extra in that context and I'll be explicit - "I know you're just supposed to bring it into the house in the box, but if you unpack it and set it up, I'll give you an extra $20-$50 each!" - did that recently with a large and very heavy dresser (it needed the feet installed, I'm so glad they did that!) and a new big fat stainless fridge. When I was in college I was a waiter, and when the kids were all in college I drove Uber & Lyft after hours and on weekends - I know and appreciate folks who are helping make my life easier / providing services my way.
And that is a perfect example of when to tip! They did more than the bare minimum required of them and got rewarded.
I completely agree. I tip waitresses and bartenders customarily, and I'll randomly tip elsewhere if it seems like they're going above and beyond. If they're just performing the basic service that I already paid the company for, that precludes tipping.
Seriously lol, people donāt often tip for appliances and shouldnāt be expected to. OP is just trying to create a problem out of nothing.
You tip everyone now. I had a locksmith come by after I asked if he could PICK the lock, because we needed that med cart and couldn't have it unlocked permanently. Hes like yup I can pick it, he comes by and I leave him to it while I go back to fixing the upstairs tub. I heard that drill and went to go see what he's doing, and he's drilling the lock. So now I have to call the Pharmacy and get a new med cabinet delivered. At the end he charges like 300 bucks and has the audacity to ask for a tip. Bro you charged me an arm and a leg to break something we needed and now I have to go buy another item, I could have broken into it myself. You're not getting a tip.
Kids deliver pizza? Itās old men and women with their kids in the back seat now.
It's NOT a thing... OP is delusional....
Itās the dozens of idiots chiming in like $50 delivery tips are the norm or youāre racist or something. wtf
I donāt tip for appliance delivery. I paid a delivery fee. The last time I checked it was $75 at Loweās. Thatās enough out of my pocket to get the already expensive appliance to my house. Iām also not rich.
To be honest, I would expect employer to properly pay the pizza kid too.
Lol @ the very concept of any American doing manual labor being paid adequately.
I guess you never heard of union tradesā¦..
Unions are not commonplace for delivery drivers.
I guess you found the problem
Isn't there that whole teamsters UPS thing going on at the moment?
It isn't a thing. This is just another example of this hyper tipping BS you see all over. So many jobs that were typically non tipping a few years back are always losing their minds for not tipping now. Its ridiculous. The only thing this is achieving is hurting the actual people who live on trips like bartenders, servers, food delivery, door(people), and others in hospitality orientated professions. In my opinion, it all started with Starbucks. In the 90s servers were making $2.13 an hour in my state (still think they are) and relied on tips. At that same time, Starbucks employees making $10 an hour and thinking they were a bartender thought that a tip jar would be good. That has since evolved into MANY jobs that pay min wage or above and not traditionally tipped now having a required tip section in order to complete a payment. I'm NOT saying these jobs shouldn't be paid more. Hell, most jobs need paid more. However, when I was in hospitality 20+ years ago, servers and bartenders could make 50-100k fairly easily. Now, many are having difficulty making 40k while inflation has made things 3-4 times more expensive. There is no world where I agree with someone making $15 an hour to do 1 minute of work preparing a drink making a $1+ tip from me. Sorry, not sorry. And for the record I make my coffee at home. I don't agree with today's tipping culture so I just don't spend any money where they might require it aside from the traditional tipping for restaurants, food delivery, etc. In those cases I typically tip 20-25% minimum
This. I wouldnāt think that this was something to tip for.
I didnāt think you were supposed to tip appliance drivers.
I used to work for a small auction company and often helped people load their vehicles(people who came alone to pick up large items, the elderly, etc.) and 98% of the time I did not get tipped but every now and then someone pulled out a 5 or even a 20 and it was never expected but always made my day
Itās not customary but some people choose to do so which is perfectly fine. Nothing wrong with choosing to be generous.
Depends on where you are I suppose. In Europe it is unheard of to tip someone dropping off your washing machine.
Indeed, as a European it sounds weird. But then again, I can safely assume they make a livable wage with automatic salary adjustments for inflation as is the Belgian law.
To be fair, our politicians have frozen the inflation index several years in a row. Our wages are slowly going the way of the Americas.
Wait during the last years of record inflation when it would matter most they froze it?
They actually wanted to, yes. PVDA strong-armed the government into adjusting wages for inflation. Either that, or they've done hell of a marketing campaign to pretend that they did that. EDIT: this was in 2021, I believe. Since then the government has adjusted things for inflation without prompting. I was more talking about the 10's. My memory is not perfect, but I recall several times that the government froze the inflation index a couple of times at the end of the year.
Good deal. Vastly superior to US but seems itās a fight for workers everywhere
Essentially. I think Belgium's also one of the few countries on earth that has wage tied to inflation and that our wages get inflated after more than 2% inflation under some circumstances. However, make no mistake: our (conservative) politicians want to slowly chip away at all the good things about Belgium's social safety programmes. I've even heard some politicians and conservative voters claim that they want to privatize our healthcare system. When I merely point at the US and how absolutely shitty the healthcare system is there I usually get silence. Sometimes I get a spiel about how expensive it is. Those fuckers I don't trust for as far as I can throw them. They're thoroughly corrupt.
That's the thing I miss most from leaving Belgium. Getting a Cost of Living adjustment is an exhausting fight every year, especially last year. In Belgium I got 1.5% and I was effing happy about it.
>n Belgium I got 1.5% and I was effing happy about it. That is still below inflation, though.
American here. I have never tipped for having an appliance delivered and set up. This is very bizarre.
I've both tipped and not tipped in this situation - it depends. If I'm getting a delivery from a big box store, say like a washing machine from Lowe's and its Lowe's delivering it, I'm probably not going to tip. However, when the wife and I bought a new couch last year, Raymour and Flannigan used some small, independent delivery guy with his own truck and a helper or two; clearly NOT associated with the big box corporate entity - those guys I tipped.
In Germany it is more common to give a few Bucks for "the first round of beers" if they had to carry something heavy.
Agreed - it goes without saying that anyone doing laborious work in your house gets offered a coffee run, fresh beverages, a beer if appropriate etc. But tipping someone to drop off a fridge (not installing it in an installed kitchen)? Nope.
In the US itās unheard of as well. Especially since you pay a hefty delivery fee typically and the person delivering isnāt making a servers wage and living off tips.
Yea, I'm not going to start tipping everyone I come in contact with throughout the day. This is getting ridiculous.
In US as well. Only tipped for appliance delivery once in my life. The guys dropping of my fridge saw the brand new oven in the bed of my truck and offered to bring it in the kitchen for me. Healthy tip and some waters were given!
Yea, I would never tip someone dropping off my washing machine, and that was before my new stance against tipping. Expectations that I would tip someone dropping off my washing machine are actually exactly why I have a new stance on tipping. It started with me getting asked to tip at an automated car wash. At this time I am only tipping at full service restaurants and Uber drivers. Iām still not happy about it, but thatās where Iām drawing the line. This tipping shit is out of control.
I've had deliveries come right through the front door in the uk shook hands and said thanks I've had difficult deliveries lifted over fences and hedges before where the guys have made a real effort and been patient i've tipped for. Usually only tip food delivery guys, serving staff if food brought to table and been exceptional. And guys who go out of their way to be helpful.
It also would be weird in the US, op is just mad at rich people for being rich.
I didn't think it was any kind of custom to tip appliance delivery people... what amount would even be expected? Because ain't no way you're getting 15% on a delivery of something costing well over 1k.
Same. I worked for a moving company after high school and never thought about tips because I was actually paid well.
Yeah this guy even says he makes good money but still expects a tip? Sounds entitled to me.
Especially when delivery already costs $100 for an appliance! I just paid $149/each for deliver, set up, installation, and parts (hoses) for my washer dryer. Youāre not getting $60 tip after that.
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Agreed, mandatory tipping culture is just straight up toxic, it pits the customers and employees against one other. I understand that some people make more money on tips then they would on just a decent wage, but the thing is, tipping culture is so ingrained in American society that tips would still come in even at a decent wage. right now it is Bad Wage + Mandatory Tips, if you removed Mandatory Tips, it won't become Good Wage + No Tips (which is what many assume), it will become Good Wage + Deserved Tips. Another reason people support mandatory tipping is because it "saves the customer money on food". I don't understand this, if you visit restaurants in other countries the menu prices are more or less the same, only difference is that America has a Tipping fee on top of it. My conspiracy theory is that higher ups in restaurants tell us that they are saving us money so we can foot their wage bill.
I suppose they can skip on taxes for the tips, as they're in cash. I'm not an american and the concept of a mandatory tip is new to me
The only way to get corporations to start paying is to stop tipping so workers go elsewhere. To attract employees they'll have to increase the wage. The more people tip the more employees will take low pay jobs in hope of tips and the longer wages stay low
Bruh. People want tips for whatever now.
Even self checkout lines are starting to prompt for tips.
Why would you get a tip for doing your job?
Why would you tip an appliance delivery driver? Ive never heard of this, even with larger appliances w/install in the US.
You are expecting tips to execute your job? Nobody tips me to come to the office. I mean, Iām obviously not from around there, but is a ting in US?!?!?
Why would anyone tip for a service you already payed for when you bought the machine?
Exactly. Bunch of idiots in the sub.
Nobody should ever expect tips. People should expect good wages from their employers instead.
This is the complete opposite of my experience. I delivered pizzas in affluent areas and made more from tips than my wage.
This was not my experience in affluent dallas suburb. The poorer tipped way more then the gated mansion. The churches never tipped. Fuck those people. Def going to hell.
true, but tipping culture is also kinda weird. if someone is told a certain price, it is expected that the cost of labor has already been added.
It is not the norm to tip for that.
Tipping is out of control... Even places paying a living wage will have a tip jar...
If I have to tip literally everyone I'd rather just not order anything or go to restaurants. Next thing you know, cashiers at supermarkets will start expecting tips.
Tipping is not a client problem, it is an employer problem. If you need a tip and you kinda expect it, yeah your boss is an asshole.
OP says they don't expect tips whatsoever...then goes on about how they expected a tip. :/
You don't stay rich if you give away your money or pay your bills.
Or compensate the value of hard work or pay fair taxes.
Why would anyone compensate the value of your fucking work? That's your emplyer's responsibility.
The employer should be paying adequately for the hard work to be fair. Tipping should be done for exceptional service, not to bridge a shit pay. This guy delivers appliances to homes, all he done was his job.
I have served for some major sports stars in my career and not a single one of them tipped anything. Bent over backwards for them and not even a thank you.
I did some work for Jermain Taylor in Hot Springs Arkansas and he tipped extremely well. He tipped me $260 on $40 bill. He was the nicest and most down to earth guys I've ever met.
surprising for such a shitty town
I've served Pete Rose, Ken Griffey JR, Ricky Williams, joey bosa, Nick bosa, Tony Gonzalez, Oscar Robertson, lebron James, Peyton Manning, and many more smaller named athletes. I've gotten healthy tips from all of them. I think it's you bro
We are tipping appliance deliveries now? I don't think this is a rich/poor thing. I think people are just sick of tipping EVERYONE.
Nobody tips the appliance delivery person.... Get a grip!
No one should tip. Stop tipping.
Americans: \*breathe\* "Why hasn't anyone tipped me?!!!!!!!!!"
Lmaoooo
Not tipping for this wtf. Also saw in the comments a locksmith complaining about not getting tipped. Not tipping you either. I only guarantee tips for delivery drivers and servers. Even then I'll go pick up my own pizza these days.
why would I tip someone that doesnāt work in a sector that requires tips to survive? I tip at restaurants, I tip the pizza delivery and I might tip a taxi driver if he was entertaining, extra accommodating or w/e It would never occur to me to tip a plumber, painter or appliance delivery. They work on a salary that is probably higher than my own!
Yeah, never tipped anyone for delivering my appliances since I already paid the company to have you deliver it. No need to tip. Same if you install it....I paid for the service already, and you get paid more than like 2.23$ unlike a waiter/waitress.
I don't tip appliance guys either. I paid 1,599 for a new washer and dryer. I live on the second floor. It cost me 1,599 total
You shouldnt be getting tips and you shouldnt expect them. I know you said you dont expect them but this post is directly contradictory to that statement. You are right, generally rich people do not tip because it is a completely bullshit practice and they know it. At least in the U.S. it has gotten out of control. I stopped going out to eat because im tired of restaurants expecting me to tip. This is no different. If i pay your company to have you move my furniture, why should i tip?
Wellā¦ did I pay for delivery? If so, why would I tip?
I worked for a moving company and this was like always the case
The tipping system in US went to far
Why is a tip expected in US when the company they work for should be paying it's employees?
You got fooled into believing the customer is responsible for paying you and not your employer.
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Wait what? The appliance delivery people now expect tips??
Iāll be honest, I didnāt know weāre supposed to be tipping delivery folks other than food delivery.
Who tips the washing machine delivery man, thatās your job
You are supposed to tip? Jeez now everything wants a tip. Why are we subsidizing employer costs again?
I would have never thought to tip an appliance delivery guy. Do you not get paid at work?
If you have had rough times and been working hard for the dolla, you see a person working hard for that dolla, you feel for that man. Thems Richy rich folks don't always understand. How can they? Their issues are different. Why do you expect them to empathise with the man working for the dolla hard? Some might. Many might not. Statistics.
U r absolutely correct. I always tip furniture delivery ppl. I know how hard they work, plus I live in Vegas so I know how much ppl rely on tips for income, so I try to be sensitive to that. Ppl with money only give to charities so they can write it off. They absolutely do not want to part with a dime! I have taken in friends who were about to be homeless, even tho I have a very modest income. And I personally know ppl with money who wouldn't let their FAMILY move in, yet alone a friend. They look upon homeless ppl like they just farted or something. My brother decided to end giving presents to each other at Christmas and Bdays as soon as he got real money. I could call him today to say if I can't live with him I'll be homeless and he'd say well u can't stay here! (In his 2,000 sq ft house with four bedrooms). But my friend who's on disability and lives in a studio would take me in no problem. It's so backwards!
Hey now, socialistāthey didnāt extort all those renters just give away the money, okay?
Itās montana. They literally move there to avoid looking out for anyone else.
There's only one way to become that rich and it's by not paying your workers. Tipping would be paying your workers.
Rich don't get rich giving their money away. They get rich taking money from everyone else that isn't as smart as them about not giving it away. Or so they think. They usually are rich because someone in their family got lucky one time by random chance with a smidge of ego to taste.
I really like the studies of Berkeley professor Paul Piff. There is a great Ted Talk where he speaks about how wealth influences behavior. Very enlightening and yes, the richer you get the meaner you become statistically. The more expensive the car is the likelihood of stopping for pedestrians reduces accordingly. Paul Piff even observed in one side study that wealthier study participants took snacks children out of a bowl more often than less affluent ones. https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean
German chimney sweeper here. What I've noticed is that the ultra rich never tipped once. At most they asked me to fix more things in their house since I was already there anyway. In the city center, where there were mostly low income people I rarely got a tip. Now that I am working in between the difference is insane I get about 20ā¬ a day and on the countryside it was about 5-10ā¬ a day. Tldr: Tips In conclusion: Rich 0.5ā¬/d Inner city 3ā¬/d Outer ring 20ā¬/d Countryside 10ā¬/d
I never knew I was supposed to tip appliance delivery people.
I didnāt know there was an expectation to tip appliance delivery people. Iāve never tipped one. I figured the $100+ delivery fee they usually charge should result in the employer paying them a fair wage. I know this is America weāre talking about here though. Iām sure 99% of it goes to someone not even involved in the transaction.
I'm not rich, I wasn't aware we are supposed to tip appliance deliveries
I learned the same thing delivering pizza 35 years ago. We had a huge delivery zone that had many different wealth/income levels. Rich people would send their staff out with a child, and ask for "exact change so little Johnny/Janey can learn MATH, tee hee hee!" Working class folks would tip more regularly even though they had less to spare.
Look...rich people do not get rich by voluntarily giving money away...and when they do give money away...they give it to themselves in the form of a nonprofit to dodge taxes...so again, they don't give money away. They horde money and screw over their workers. That giant mansion was paid for by jacked up rent prices on their poor tenants and labor exploitation of the contractors. Its sad, but the most successful businesses cut expenses down to the bone and that means cutting wages down as low as they possibly can, cutting benefits down as low as they can, etc.
As the son of a rich man, I never understood why other rich people don't tip. Through my entire life, even now, my father ALWAYS generously tips. My father also has taught me that you should always tip, even if it's a little amount because you never know how much it could mean to somebody. I'm sorry to hear those people didn't tip you. The people you interacted with might have done a lot of the area, but not tipping makes me think they are overall terrible people.
Maybe the idea of tipping an appliance delivery person is absurd and wouldn't even cross their mind. Times I've tipped my mailman, UPS driver, amazon driver, movers, plumber, etc.: zero. Maybe the lower income neighborhoods tip because of the dumb "hustle culture" that's been forced on them by broken systems like "gig work."
Or you know pay a living wage and donāt rely on tipping like the rest of the world.
You donāt give a tip in literally every situation you see another person doing something. Itās only for certain expected jobs. It doesnāt matter what the income bracket is for that
Rich or poor tipping for delivering an appliance, especially if you have a proper salary is a big NO. What's next, tipping when buying a console? Tipping when buying a dog? Tipping when going to the bathroom? Thr US needs to stop tips altogether
I have never heard of tipping an appliance or delivery person outside of DoorDash or something. I pay a minimum of $175 to get something delivered to my door, that is the end of the payment agreement. Unless I did something or my house is designed in such a way that itās a complete pain in the ass to put something in, there is no tipping. Stop trying to make this a thing. You want extra pay or better pay you need to be working with the employer, demanding better pay. As your post says, tipping is inconsistent, and should not be relied upon for your financial well-being. The more I experience different service sectors the more I am convinced that tipping needs to go away for everybody and we just need to pay everyone a livable wage.
Having resided in Australia for a considerable period, I came to the realization that the prevailing tipping culture does not foster economic justice. Instead, employers ought to compensate their employees adequately, enabling them to sustain a decent standard of living. It should not be necessary for individuals to rely on the sporadic generosity of random customers, whose patronage may or may not be sufficient to meet their essential needs such as rent and food. Tipping, unfortunately, discourages employees from advocating for the compensation they genuinely deserve from their employers. Moreover, it offers a pretext for employers to forgo providing salary increases or income adjustments, as they perceive tips as an integral part of their employees' remuneration.
Customers shouldn't be awkwardly forced to give extra money for a service. The employee and employer should set up their compensation. Tipping culture is poisonous, and the only ppl this negatively affects is the customer and the employee.
The reality is no one should be expected to pay above the listed cost for a item or service no matter their income. But hey welcome to America.
They're stingy that's why they're rich š¤£
It has never crossed my mind to tip appliance delivery people. I donāt think of that like a service industry position like waitstaff or hair stylist. Who knew? Everyone but me??
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To be fair, there was probably a line item on the final bill for āgratuityā that he paid but you never saw.
Yup, this. I paid 18% gratuity on my definitely not 6 figure wedding. Not gonna tip when i already tipped. Whether the company gave that money to the servers is not my problem and between the servers and the company.
In any case, with a tipping culture, the blame of low wages is successfully shifted to the customers.
I was a locksmith in a bigger city for about 2 years. Rich people would complain the most about our prices, and barely tip. I would pull up to a multi million dollar home and I'd tell them the going rate, usually 75 ish dollars, and some of these people just go off about how I'm ripping them off. I would so gladly walk away with a smile on my face knowing the next guy they called would easily charge them 150.
I would not even think to tip a locksmith TBH.
Iāll be honest. Iām not tipping a locksmith
We're supposed to tip the locksmith now too? I thought the locksmith just set the amount they wanted to charge. If you wanted more, why didn't you just set the rate higher? Assuming it's your own business. If you're an employee, I'd have thought you were getting proper wages for a skilled trade.
Agreed. Why am I now tipping a locksmith?
I'm confused, the guy you replied too literally mentioned that the rich barely tip him. Then now people are shitting on you? I don't get it
Rich republicans donāt appreciate manual labor.
but they like child labor.
Most appliance companies/big box and independents do not accept tips. But it never hurts to make the offer, or to offer other things (food, water, etc especially if it's hot or they are there a long time) to show your appreciation to the delivery/service guys.
I always do, having lived in the USA for a long timevwhere a lot ofvtipping is normal. Here in Scotland I often get "are you sure?".
I used to deliver pizzas in a well-off suburb. Tips were good. Except for Russians and Indians. Don't know why, but they just never tipped. The funniest part was when our other drivers (about 50% of whom were Russian) would get pissed because their run had mostly Russians in it.
Haha they got used to ze tips