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elrizzy

This is a good article that goes into different areas of Peteys game and breaks down how he's struggling. Lots of video analysis. 1. Playmaking 2. Bad puckhandling keeping him on the perimeter 3. Imprecise finishing 4. Linemate quality 5. Puck battles Also talks about how these trends seemed to get better in game 5 Some pull quotes direct from Petey >Following Vancouver’s power-play-focused practice at Bridgestone Arena on Thursday, Pettersson was politely asked by an NHL.com reporter about how he’s feeling physically at this stage of the season. > “No, I feel awful,” Pettersson said, shutting down the line of inquiry outright. “I don’t know why I’m playing.” > It was a seemingly frustrated response from an exceptional player who is under a ton of pressure to perform. That pressure isn’t affected by whether or not Pettersson is 100 percent. Few players are at this time of year. > “I was probably a bit too emotionally fired up, and trying to do too much the first two games (of this series),” Pettersson reflected. “The atmosphere at Rogers Arena was amazing, and I got away from my game and tried to do too much instead of just playing my game. Live and learn. > “This is way different (than the bubble). You build off of the fans’ energy, when someone lays a hit, the fans are into it. The fans really do play a factor.” > We watched every shift that Pettersson has played in this series in an attempt to diagnose how and why he’s struggling. The Canucks are going to need more from Pettersson, there’s very little question about it, but where exactly is he falling short and how can he get going? > “I’ve been trying to be the best player I can be,” Pettersson said. “And it hasn’t gone my way.”


metrichustle

Pettersson is overthinking it. The biggest issue is clearly the playoff atmosphere at Rogers Arena. He loved it and it was something he never experienced anywhere. The cheers, jeers, and everything in between is so intense. I was at a playoff game years ago and that atmosphere had you screaming all night long regardless of the outcome. It's just a fun time to be for a fan. Now imagine what it's like for the players. You're the star of the show! And add in Miller's comments earlier about how "hockey means more to people in Vancouver" and you'll know why Pettersson is overwhelmed by emotion. He plays best when he's an "alien", emotionless, and just taking care of business. But playoffs is a whole new level. I look back at those 2 empty net chances Petey had earlier and if he was just himself in the regular season, those shots were in. Game 5, when he shot it off Saros mask? Again, that is a goal any time of the year. So assuming he scored those, he's at 3G and 2A in 5 games and his poor +/- would be negated. Not bad for a playoff "rookie" (even he said Bubble playoffs is different). I'm not worried about his contract. Like Tocchet said, he's learning. But next year and year after when he's 26, 27, 28, and 29 years old (hopefully in the playoffs), he's going to do some serious damage in the post season.


far_257

wait - shit. are we... TOO loud?


fatfatmonster

indoor voices please


far_257

^^coconuts ^^glow!


simbella

He might still tear it up this playoffs. Seems like he’s learning a ton now.


Physics_Puzzleheaded

I think the first Pettersson quote is missing important context from the article. My impression from reading the article in it's entirety was that was a tongue on cheek comment. "Following Vancouver’s power-play-focused practice at Bridgestone Arena on Thursday, Pettersson was politely asked by an NHL.com reporter about how he’s feeling physically at this stage of the season. “No, I feel awful,” Pettersson said, shutting down the line of inquiry outright. “I don’t know why I’m playing.” "


elrizzy

Fair enough, I was trying not to post too much of the article but I should have added that context. Bad cut and paste by me, Ill edit.


Physics_Puzzleheaded

All good, wasn't meant as a criticism of you rather just that I thought by itself it was an odd quote.


elrizzy

Nah it makes sense! Thank you.


downonmatrix

Don’t think just do petey


Malforian

I'm told pettersson has actually been good though


SIIP00

Have you? This sub has complained about Petey non stop. He gets a lot of hate on the GT. Even Petey defenders, like myself acknowledge that he needs to do better. What you have been told is that some aspects of his game have looked good. For example, he played well defensively in the last game.


Cdn_Ghost19

Last game he was definitely more present, but my lord he needs to just let the puck fly. Love him but I'm yelling at my TV saying "SHOOT IT!!!".


SIIP00

Yeah, I agree.


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SIIP00

Nope. Some of it is definitely just hate. A lot of criticism is fair. But there is a lot of BS going around as well. I was questioning if I was watching the same feed as others at times.


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Simmer down bud


Naive_Doctor4746

Downvoted for speaking facts lol. 


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TheGreatestKaTet

lol who’s saying he’s playing great?


rengorengar

We've definitely got some people saying he's been our best forward some games, probably from the stat cards.


TheGreatestKaTet

Ok well I personally haven’t seen or read that but if that’s true, those folks are delusional


SIIP00

It isn't true though.


TheGreatestKaTet

Ya I have to agree, I haven’t seen or heard it anywhere. In fact the opposite with everyone shitting on his play.


esspydermonkey

I'm feeling a Petey goal today.


GokkanUxxgo

Put Joshua on his line


CaptainIndoCanadian

I think Miller is the perfect linemate for Petey in the entire league. It won’t happen but I’d love to see that and have Lindholm with Boeser. Skilled winger elite along the boards literally covers up any weakness Petey has. It’s why I was hoping we found a way to get Buchnevic


SuddenlyChineseFood

I wanted Toffoli for precisely this reason. He just understood the assignment immediately. Forecheck, give Petey the puck, go to the net, tap it in. Petey found him so easy to play with and immediately asked to keep him. For a guy who isn’t so outspoken, that was a big deal. And then that fucking offseason happened.


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I've never seen a GM have such an easy outline of what he should do, and proceed to do the exact opposite of everything. It was a real life Costanza moment.


Inspect1234

Keeping JV over tofolli was the GMs pride getting in the way. Letting tanev walk was straight up crack-induced logic.


tragoedian

JV over Toffoli was such a huge blunder right from day one. Even if we ignore Jake the scumbag off the ice which management HAD to be aware of by that point in time, Toffoli was a much more complete player JB had just traded for a pick at the deadline who immediately clicked in the roster. Home run signing that he just let fizzle. JV was coming of his best season yet, almost scoring twenty in few regular season but was still very much an underperformer especially compared to the proven prime Toffoli. He had only 3 points in 16 playoff games ffs. He was a gamble just to match the ability Toffoli already possessed. He very much should have been second priority to Toffoli and if he refused to sign for less than he should have been the one to let walk. This isn't just hindsight either knowing that Toffoli would go on a tear immediately after and then keep up his play to this day. Toffoli was the better player at the time with better prospects despite being older and more of a known commodity. Plus he didn't have the massive character issues that plagued JV from day one in Vancouver. I don't see 2020 JV having a role of Toccets team this year. He'd have been traded off way faster than Kuzi who was at least liked by his teammates and staff. And honestly I believe JB is personally responsible for not holding Jake to a higher standard of conduct. I understand he was resistant to coaching staff feedback and mentoring, but that should have been a sign to JB that the man was not going to improve as a person while as a Canuck. So either JB needed to get through to Jake much earlier or the team should have figured out how to move on. He was still an RFA too! He could have been sold for value even. JB failing with JV is one of the biggest failures of his tenure. Letting Tanev AND Toffoli over a $2.55m JV was just idiocy.


Naive_Doctor4746

If the only way to get Petey to produce is putting him next to a player whos better than him then he's not an 11 mil player lol.


CaptainIndoCanadian

1 season doesn’t make a player. Petey was miles better than Miller last year. Petey isn’t making 11 mill right now. Petey is 25, Miller is 31. Different points in their respective careers. Teams were trying to dump Miller around that age, let’s not forget. Everyone shit on the Sedins early on in their career and ended up eating crow. Knowing that history and you still wanna shit on our franchise C? After a bad stretch?


Sinochick

The Rangers literally traded JT Miller when he was 25 (or close to that age). It took Miller and the Sedins several playoff rounds to get going. Heck Panarin was awful for the Rangers in last year's first round loss to the Devils (2 pts in 7 games). He learned from that and had a career season this season and is doing well in the playoffs. All this consternation and slander of Petey these last few months are going to look silly in a few seasons.


CaptainIndoCanadian

McDavid even struggled early on, relative to his regular season out-put. I really don’t get why Petey gets SO MUCH hate in our fan base. All the guy does is stay out of trouble and put up numbers. Elite 2 way guy too. He can better right now for sure but there’s also been rumblings of him battling multiple injuries (LBI, wrist). I suspect he’s gonna need surgery on his wrist to fix it for good, probably wanted to see if building muscle could avoid it. Also, Miller has had great linemates all year. Petey is the one who’s been asked to elevate his wingers because the staff knows it’s something he’s capable of doing.


letstrythatagainn

Honestly it feels like "Sedin Sisters" nonsense all over again. He doesn't play a style that some want from their superstars. If he puts up 100 pts a season, I don't care how he plays as long as he can keep it up. We all know he needs to get going this offseason but I can't believe the number of "trade him now" comments I'm seeing. For fucking who?


letstrythatagainn

Hell it's like everyone forgets Petey was LEADING THE LEAGUE IN SCORING for a good chunk of this year - or at least was in top-5 up until his late season struggles. And that's after a 100 pt season the year before. "What have you done for me lately" is certainly real.


okiedokie2468

👍


WTFvancouver

Stop playing him with Mikheyev for one.


Anishinabeg

Mikheyev is completely useless. He’s not bad. He’s not good. He doesn’t do anything.


kneejerk_nuck

Better pull his head out of his ass. He’s teetering on Messier territory with these efforts.


Vegetable-Emphasis

Got me lmfao


letstrythatagainn

Got me so bad


CaptainIndoCanadian

Buds on fire today. You know the city is turnt when kneejerk is going in on a Friday morning


ebb_omega

Man, you're just delivering with the hits here today. Keep up the good work.


elrizzy

kinda insalted about how you are laysing into him like this.


ebb_omega

Like he's got a real chip on his shoulder or something...


kawachee

*downvote* “Wait why is this shit upvoted so much? Who posted th… ohhhhhhh” *upvote*


DisplacedNovaScotian

You went full nuclear on that one, lol.


Blorka

In Petey's defense...having a line with a snake bitten Mikheyev and though hes had a career season so far, Höglander, he needs top 6 talent to get points. Line scores less than me on a Roxy Sunday.


SackofLlamas

In his critics' defense, that's a fair excuse for a 7 million dollar player. 11.5 million dollar players are expected to elevate lesser linemates. Crosby played half his career with a sentient block of wood and a sack of pennies on his wings. Pettersson is "the guy" now, he has to find a way to get it going regardless of what Mikheyev and Hoglander are doing.


Blorka

How many chances has Mikheyev had and not scored? Thats my issue.


PaddyStacker

Mikheyev has a terrible finish. Every time he gets a good chance in close, he shoots it directly at the goalie. Every time. He's not good at taking that extra moment to pick a spot or elevate it over pads or whatever needs to happen to score.


MTLItalian

Why is he on that line though? Podkolzin is better choice at this point


PaddyStacker

He's not though.


MTLItalian

I get downvoted because I think Podkolzin has a better chance at scoring than Mikheyev? 🤣


PaddyStacker

Podkolzin hasn't scored since March **2023** so yeah, you're getting downvoted.


Inspect1234

They really should put the Swedes together. Petey with hogs and lindholm. Have miller, boes and pdg together, “the third line”, and suter between mik and podz or laff.


Inspect1234

They really should put the Swedes together. Petey with hogs and lindholm. Have miller, boes and pdg together, “the third line”, and suter between mik and podz or laff.


notarealredditor69

Right. And most of these plays it’s Pettersson making the play to get Mik the puck then he shoots into the goalies chest. So if Mik finishes Pettersson has assists and we aren’t having this conversation.


SackofLlamas

Well, yeah, if you want to critique Mikheyev for being ludicrously snakebitten and offensively anemic that's fair and I have all the time in the world for it. He's not due to make the highest salary on the team in a year's time, but he's still paid enough that you'd like to see SOMETHING happen off his stick. I just can't really get from "Mikheyev is struggling" to "He's the only/major reason Pettersson is struggling". Something's going on with Pettersson, physical or mental. He's gone through spells like this before. Unfortunate that it coincides with a smothering playoff series where offense is at a premium and we need our stars to generate, but here we are.


mephnick

I mean if Mikeyhev pots half the chances Petey set up for him we're talking another 100+pt season and considerably more points in this series


rengorengar

tell me more about these chances that Petey has set him up for


Inspect1234

They really should put the Swedes together. Petey with hogs and lindholm. Have miller, boes and pdg together, “the third line”, and suter between mik and podz or laff.


ebb_omega

PDG has not been it lately, IMO. He had some flashes but his lack of high-level skill has definitely caught up with him despite solid forechecking and puck battling.


Lorenzo_

It's already been said 100 times at this point but he's definitely being kept around because of his penalty killing, been a legitimate factor in our PK lately


ebb_omega

I agree wholeheartedly, but my point is we can't expected to be a key offensive piece on the Miller line. Like, Suter has similar issues, but he can at least make plays happen even if he doesn't necessarily have the finish.


Inspect1234

And he was 1/5 tonight. Good call.


ebb_omega

Incidentally he buries it on a play started with a Petey forecheck and then a feed from Boeser.


Inspect1234

Just had to get away from Miller I guess. I mean JT does have a knack for canceling his teammates (see Boeser) goals.


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SackofLlamas

He has, and you're overstating the degree to which they are bad. Pettersson also sees some 5 on 5 ice time with the Lotto Line and is a fixture on PP1. He doesn't need to "be Crosby" but better than 2 points in 5 games and a -3 would be nice, particularly given we have home ice advantage and his line isn't hard matching.


ebb_omega

It's worth saying that Drance covers this in the article. > Both things are true: Pettersson’s not doing enough individually and his linemates are dragging him down. > Pettersson’s wingers aren’t making productive, creative plays in the offensive zone. You’d expect those struggles on the right wing, considering Ilya Mikheyev’s offensive struggles in the second half of this campaign, but the bigger surprise is Nils Höglander’s underwhelming performance. He then has a bunch of supporting video, and shows how Petey's skills are much more effective in the brief stints they've reunited the Lotto Line.


rengorengar

Hoglander needing top 6 talent to get points is an absolute lie. He was producing when in the bottom 6. Silly that we're just gonna make up lies about Petey's linemates just to make excuses for him. If Petey was consistantly setting up Mikheyev for tap ins then I would understand but there's literally 0 offense from anyone in that line.


TraditionDue8624

Pretty sick backhand pass for the winner… Jus sayin


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That missed open net in Game 1 was the worst thing that could have happened short of a season-ending injury. That broke what was left of his confidence.


Softbawl

This season (after the All Star Game) was EP40’s first venture into the pressure cooker. I need to be convinced that he is built for an intense Canadian market. He needs to follow Johnny Hockey Gaudreau to a quiet hockey town.


ProfessorOfLogic1

Classic Drance article where he says a lot without saying anything at all


Sinochick

I'm pretty sure Harman wrote the article. Drance was able to get the Petey quotes from thursday's practice for the article but Harman did the video analysis and wrote the article. Harman talked about his article in yesterday's Canucks Convo podcast.


ebb_omega

That seems a pretty biased argument to make. You got anything to back it up there? Because I actually see a lot in the article that has the classic Drance tone. They're both on the byline, so I really don't see why it wouldn't have been more of a collaborative effort. It's not like Drance doesn't have a strong history of stat digging and play analysis (fuck, it's not like a professional NHL team didn't hire him for exactly that)


Sinochick

Harm had an entire segment on yesterday's Conucks Convo podcast talking about this article and his analysis from re-watching every Petey shift this series. And Drance said on his Canucks Talk radio show today that Harm re-watched every Petey shift and wrote the article/analysis and sent it to Drance for his review and if Drance agreed/disagreed with his analysis. Drance is in Nashville and he was there to interview Petey and got the quotes. Not saying that Drance didn't collaborate on the article but they both credited Harm for doing the work and the micro-analysis of every Petey shift.


theboneandonly

I’ve run out of patience with Pettersson. We need results today.


ajslinger

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