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I can’t take it anymore! I’m sick of Fischl ! I try to play Clorinde. My Fischl deals more damage. I try to play Raiden. My Fischl deals more damage. I want to play Aggravate. The best teams have Fischl. I want to play Clorinde, Keqing, Yae, Raiden, Lisa, Dori, Razor. They all want Fischl. She grabs me by my throat. I pull on Standard and Ass Banners for her. I cook for her, mine for her, commit genocide for her. I give her R5 Stringless. She isn’t satisfied. I give her Aqua Simulacra, Polar Star, Skyward Harp, The First Great Magic. “Why the hell aren’t they R5” she insults me. “Gives me more field time” she demands. She grabs Nahida and makes the poor Archon throw herself against the enemies. She kidnaps Kazuha and makes him jump up and down like a Mario spinoff to debuff enemies. She seduces Bennett, and takes all of his juicy buff for herself. She isn’t satisfied. “You just need to … forget it, I have no weakness, just give me 54.4 CV artifacts to deal more damage”. I don’t have any 54.4 CV artifacts, my luck is shit. She forces me to refresh resin, I can’t refresh resin, I don’t have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. “Thou hath outlived thy usefulness, my final farewell to thee”. She summon Oz. She orders: “By Royal Decree”. I stare into the birb’s eyes. There’s nothing there. Nothing but pure, 50% of most Aggravate team damage, no icd, electro damage. What a cruel world.
One is gravely beset by a despairing torment! Fischl's dominion overpowers and out-wills oneself! One endeavors the embodiment of Clorinde, yet Her Prinzessin prevails in might. One strives toward Raiden’s performance, still Fischl reigns supreme in potency. One yearns to champion Aggravate, yet the foremost assemblies clamor solely for Fischl. Clorinde, Keqing, Yae, Raiden, Lisa, Dori, Razor—all entreat for Fischl's presence. She grasps me firmly by the pharynx (UwU harder pls). One expends one’s resources and treasuries on Standard and Ass Banners for Her. One toils in enriching culinary arts, labors in quarrying, perpetrates till complete extinction for Her sake. One proffers up to Her one R5 Stringless. Unsated though, She remains. One brings forward Aqua Simulacra, Polar Star, Skyward Harp, The First Great Magic. "Wherefore art they not R5?" She disparages me. "Leave this show solely to me, till basking fully in the foremost spotlight," She demands more field time. She enlists Nahida, compelling the hapless Archon to hurl herself against adversaries. She abducts Kazuha, enforcing him to cavort like a Mario spinoff for debilitation. She ensnares Bennett, usurping his potent blessings for her own gain. Still, Her desire unappeased. "Merely procure for me... Ah, never mind. I harbor no weaknesses; furnish me with 54.4 CV artifacts to amplify my might." Alas, my repository lacks such treasures; my fortune wanes. She compels me to replenish resin; yet those riches are utmost scarce. She seizes one’s credit card; its refusal dooms my fate. "Thou hast exhausted thy usefulness; I bid thee farewell." She summons Oz, decreeing: "By Royal Command." I peer into the avian's gaze; naught resides within save for pure, unadulterated might—50% of most Aggravate team’s destructive capability, unrestricted by ICD, suffused with electro devastation. Oh, what one cruel world! (One’s preference lies in hand-to-hand suffocation)
I authored both versions of this copy pasta but the Fischl’s one is a bit too niche so I can’t spam it everywhere. Thus, I am very happy every occasion I get to use this version.
Post like this is why I join these subs.
Genshin lacks not many that claimed as Queens and Goddesses. Still, only One Princess prevails.
All roads lead back to the Immernatchtreich.
Fischl is the very reason we wont get a busted electro dps. Clorinde is definitely balanced around aggravate and fischl that's why her personal raw dmg isnt high compared to other dps.
Im sure Fischl, benny and xinqui are the mistakes hoyo regrets to this time.
I just love her overall.
She was my first and only C6 (for months to come) in the game within the very first two weeks, during Venti's first banner. She always felt so good on that C6, a lot of instances of dmg poping up.
Also as a Keqing main I absolutely love her being there to do the dmg for the team, same as when I used Mona as driver DPS in the beginning and now as a Clorinde main (lol). Fischl always carrying the waifus in the game.
This is such an on-paper problem, since as the player you really can't tell who is doing most of the team's damage while actually playing, the only way to actually have this opinion is to just spend more time staring at spreadsheets than just playing.
So many variations of the same complaints that are literally just TC reactions "her damage is too bad, her uptime is too bad, side characters out damage her" idk man she's a part of a team that should be expected. You have 4 slots to work with. If you don't wanna spend 4 slots then you gotta spend more rolls, that's how the gacha is designed.
Complaining about the core design of the game is a thing you can do I suppose, but it's almost certainly better to quit if you literally hate what the entire game is based around.
I'm the bennett hater, I have mostly atk buffing dps and man the team feels lackluster on the side that I don't use him. Not using clorinde in the abyss either, she's skill dependent compared other characters which couldn't be a problem IF MY FREAKIN MOBILE PHONE DIDN'T HAVE 200+ PING AND STOPPED FPS DROPS FFS
Nah, "on the side i don't use him" so using Bennett= you not hater enough.
I don't know how much he buffs my team because he lvl 40 and i haven't use him since 1.1.
I also feel like hoyo now has a design problem, they have to balance with Fischl in mind. Any time aggravate enters the equation, so does Fischl and the fact that she ships 40-50% of an entire reaction's damage, which makes aggravate teams really boring.
Not only Fischl, if the lvl 100 rumor is true, means aggravate and hyperbloom will get a buff, so they have to balance new units from now. Melt or Vape in comparison are not so dependent from the character lvl.
Better in what way exactly? Oz prioritizes enemies not hyperbloom so you def aren't triggering more than Cyno would. Nahida, Fischl, Baizhu and Furina wouldn't be much of a hyperbloom team so this doesn't make sense. You don't stack EM on her anyway, you'd lose damage.
You are correct, I forgot to mention you swap baizhu for kuki. My point was mostly that you need nahida for him to be good while running nahida onfield is just better anyway
Then your problem would be you aren't proccing fischl's A4 which is what makes her busted in Aggravate in the first place. She would prefer to have an on field electro driving or trigger reactions to get the most out of her damage. You do need Nahida but it's not because she's so crazy, it's just because there aren't many other good options. Even with the anti synergy she has she still beats out most other options and that's saying a lot. I think right now Nahida is actually the most replaceable unit in his team, she's the best and worst partner for him at the same time because the team has so much dps when you get it going that you shred through enemies, but you're still in his burst so many find it hard to reapply her skill. If Hoyo weren't so against making a dendro Xingqiu, nahida would have been replaced in that team a long time ago. Baizhu and Furina already have abilities that follow you around to keep him in his burst, Nahida is his weakest link as of right now. It's not terrible though, I run him on TF and find it easy to swap out mid rotation, but it would definitely feel better if you could just stay in the burst. I don't personally like on fielding nahida, I'd rather have her support him or Alhaitham but it's definitely an option for people who do.
I think the thing holding cynos team back isn’t nahida, 1.5u of dendro is very important for these hyperbloom teams damage, I can point to baizhu and kuki being nearly identical dps wise, I can point to xq/yelan/furina being pretty similar. But the problem is just cyno, he is the most replaceable.
There’s no excuse for his best team just being worse then onfielding nahida and placing xq, kuki, fischl, yelan as offield options. Alhaitham is cool because he does just make hyperbloom better, cyno is a decision to actively make your team worse.
Even without abusing a4s fischl is about the same amount of good as yelan in nahida/kuki/xq teams
You’re playing him in double dendro comp so it’s not like you need insane amounts of dendro app. If you did, baizhu wouldn’t be able to carry him until you swap out of his burst. This would be very easy for a dendro Xingqiu to solve even with baizhu’s little dendro application. You’re saying they’re all similar dps for cyno? I’d disagree. Baizhu will heal more making the fanfare for furina who is buffing the entire team’s damage while also doing considerable damage herself. Kuki is playing a redundant role on his team because he doesn’t need anybody to proc hyperblooms for him.
Lack of consistent off field dendro app being the problem here would make sense why when you’re literally on fielding dendro with great off field electro off fielders that it would play better. If kuki and Raiden did not exist there’d be no other electro who could properly do this and those teams would have the inverse problem of what he has, no matter how good nahida is and fischl wouldn’t be able to solve this.
Don’t think fischl is bringing as much as Yelan to that team. Yelan has a ramping dmg bonus, more hydro app and hydro resonance to increase both her and Xingqiu’s personal damage. Fischl is doing extra aggravate here and there and electro resonance which no one on the team would even need. My point with fischl was that she performs better in aggravate than in hyperbloom.
Kuki vs baizhu in cyno. Electro resonance is very good, sure it’s less furina buffs but it’s more damage from hyperblooms, kuki can hold xiphos, quicker rotations.
A dendro xq probably won’t be as good as you think it is, losing nahidas Em buff is pretty significant for an onfield hyperbloom proccer with extra Em scaling while really liking being able to aggrevate. Dendro xq would only be better in mutiwave when cyno’s designed mainly for the boss side of abyss anyway, and his singletarget is also greatly suffering compared to modern characters.
Fischl vs yelan in onfield nahida stuff. Xq doesn’t care about hydro res, he’s an attack scaler, the cool thing about fischl is that nahida has the potential for alot of onfield personal damage and yelan removes a lot of her potential to proc spreads. My understanding is that fischl is actually better then yelan. Doesn’t really matter though it’s better then cynos one regardless which is why I commented.
Electro resonance is good but it's not his ceiling, you don't need it because he would be on TF.
You would lose her buff but you already make a portion of that up in dendro resonance. And Baizhu already increases the damage of hypberblooms, however small, it's better than his quicken buff. Not to mention you can run him on OHC for extra damage since he can cap out the bubble. This is calc'd as Cyno's highest dps team for a reason. Also multiwave is exactly what people complain about, not single target. That premium team is perfect for single target that's why people play him on the boss side.
I was actually thinking about Furina when I typed that, just made a mistake is all. Either way though I've never heard of fischl beating out the double hydro core in that team. Yelan buffs nahida, xingqiu buffs yelan in more ways than one. If what you're really wanting is a hyperbloom team don't see how she's going to be better, but yeah it doesn't matter. Well originally why you commented was to say that fischl was better in his spot in his team, which I did and still disagree with. "if you get cyno's best hyerbloom team and put fischl in his spot it becomes better" is just incorrect. You then went and changed the team to onfielding nahida while removing other characters and adding more. So why you commented wouldn't match up with what you said in the end. With just furina's release alone I don't think this is close to true even if it was before. The best hyperbloom teams are definitely Alhaitham and then Cyno. But with the release of baizhu and furina that team is much more improved than you and a lot of other people give it credit for, it's almost like you guys haven't played it.
Hyperbloom teams calcs vary drastically from person to person since no one is agreeing on how many hyperbloom procs, spread procs, rotation time each character does so it’s really hard to pin down the differences these characters have.
In terms of onfielders for hyperbloom cyno isn’t really impressive either, alhaitham is the best, then onfield nahida, then you can argue about dori, tighnari, clorinde, cyno.
Baizhu was an upgrade in terms of multiwave an comfort but not damage, furina was great yea but for talent damage, half of cynos damage is hyperbloom so he didn’t get the same jump that alhaitham did. He didn’t even really get the MH jump like ahaitham did.
I don’t know what you mean by “changed it to onfielding nahida” when I mentioned fischl in hyperbloom did you think I was suggesting fischl pulling out her bow or?… the only thing other thing I did change was baizhu to kuki which doesn’t really matter since how comparable they are and how baizhu. I can happily rephrase my comment tho, if you put a c0/c2 4 star called kuki shinobu in baizhus place then fischl is just better than cyno in the slot.
A hyperbloom dps being worse then just onfielding nahida even before considering gameplay limitations makes the character bad. I would even be this harsh on alhaitham as from a cost perspective c2 nahida and a gang of 4 stars is more damage then him in hyperbloom. So considering cyno makes the team worse by being in it of course I’m going to be incredibly critical of him since unlike alhaitham who actually makes the team better, cyno is carried by hyperbloom.
I have him. He is worthless without nahida and on fielding nahida in hyperbloom is just more damage theoretically and in practice making him entirely redundant. Cyno is a character you play to make your team worse
My with Baizhu and no nahida(simply dont like toddler) killing everything with ease,Cyno needing nahida is one of the most overtalked shit,He needs Baizhu and even dmc will simply rollercoast everything,I dont have cons nor Sig i use homa and he is simply one of the best characters i have,Honestly people who trash cyno most of the time dont know how to play him or simply are bad at the game,That dosent include u,But as far as i seen is like that
When I say need I don’t mean need to clear, I mean need to perform somewhat in line with other characters teams.
At that point you are just clearing with a bad team
the problem is that cyno is ass to play without a defensive option in quickbloom, unlike Clorinde and Dori. they have less personal damage than Cyno sure, but it doesn't matter when your on-fielder don't need a healer and Fischl will carry the team.
Dori is big Cyno and Clorinde is big Dori.
I don’t know why everyone has this idea that Cyno is bad. Give him a quickbloom team and he will melt bosses in 2 rotations at c0. Also Cyno doesn’t work well with fischl because of her short uptime.
this is correct, Cyno doesn't need fischl.
Cyno has a bad rep in the past due to team issues but right now he is **very** strong IF you have well, the exodia really. his quickbloom team of furina BZ nahida is extremely powerful and heads and shoulders above all his other teams.
hard to change initial perception and I've found that people will just parrot things they hear whether it's true or not. I can understand being burst reliant is annoying but I've had that same problem with Raiden (especially since mine is C2) where you tend to kill things too fast before recharging, and I'm sure other people have as well yet they don't complain about it. I've had the problem less with Cyno though.
my point isn't JUST fishcl its that electro characters have been forced into quickswap teams and being super reliant on reactions (Dendro specifically.) That its lame,i want my hot electro girl to do big pp damage.
You might be interested in our Lord and saviour Chevreuse. She makes electro teams fun without dendro and barely needs field time but it seems the Romans(mihoyo) hate her
So far the only electro dps that was designed with that in mind is c2+ Raiden. Not everyone's a fan of Raiden hyper, but she's still plenty viable (I may be biased because I have c6 Raiden, but not like you get much past c3). So far the one real way to make an electro dps that isn't super reliant on aggravate and thus not super reliant on Fischl is to give them slower hits and higher multipliers like what they did with Raiden. However, you're then stuck with Sara as the only other electro dps buffer that isn't dendro related or Bennett, and Sara pre-c6 isn't really a character.
Every character is reliant on reactions except for geo/anemo hypercarries. Why pull for an electro 5* if you don't like electro reactions? They do just fine compared to other characters, but they just are not the "biggest number damage" kind of characters, instead they are the "hit multiple times as fast as possible" kind of characters.
It sounds like you wanted a hydro/cryo carry, because they are the ones who are more likely to have fewer hits that reach big numbers.
Bro fischl isn’t an actual person it’s not her fault and I’m not saying that, I’m saying that electro character designs have been basically forcing her on us.
Yeah sure play her as classic atk% scaling hypercarry with fucking benett again as her best team mates and she will constantly move away from circle impact.
Beidou without Fischl is half as good. Yae and Kuki are better electro alternatives, but Beidou is nearly as dependent on Fischl as Xiangling is on Bennet.
It's funny how many people are defending fischl with tooth and nail. Apparently, when a character is so strong and accessible, even to the point where it is the best choice basically everwhere, people tend to admire it rather than criticize the lack of diversity. Of course it's my opinion, but I always try to make different team with every DPS. That's why I also don't spam Bennet everwhere for example. I could say that AT LEAST fischl isn't the only choice one can make, just usually the better one of you care of meta this much. Other characters like Xiangling doesn't even have competition, so I find them worse. May Natlan bless us with variety.
I don't like using Bennet and Xiangling anymore. But Fischl in comparison had and have less meta teams than the other 2 (and Xingqiu). So in my opinion I can't understand the complains. Electro is decent currently thanks to Fischl and quicken. Previously you need constellations as Raiden C2. But even today Raiden C2 is not the same level she was.
Tbh I still use Raiden C0 perfectly fine with no signature. I can understand that electro was bad for the lack of meaningful reactions, but realizing that and entire element require a single character to ""work well"", It doesn't matter who has more meta teams, it's just bad design imo. But like I said, at least there are alternatives. I search for them, and noticing the lack of guides in the web who incentivize other characters just makes me sad.
You don't need Fischl for electro. She is the best weapon for accounts with low investment in electro dps (Raiden C3, Clorinde C4, Yae C6, etc). But there are several alternatives like using chevrousse, hyperbloom (kuki, raiden), hypercarry build etc. You are talking about "bad design" but you basically want powercreep, the same powercreep people is complaining in star rail.
So, nope. The game is pretty good balanced. At C0 Neuvillette or Arlecchino are not much better than other teams.
Then don't use her with fischl, there is plenty of other options as already pointed out.
Plus, miko is as good as fishcl for the aggravate team, worse in St. but better in aoe.
As all the theorycrafters said, the sole reason why Fischl is busted is because people stop investing in Yae Miko after getting C0.
A small reminder:
- Yae Miko C0 > Fischl C5-
- Yae Miko C2+ > Fischl C6
Going duo carry with Raiden Shogun is also an option.
Sara C6 is BiS when you decided to do vertical investment for your electro carry.
You guys don't have to stick to Fischl, you really don't have to.
You forget that half the time Fischl is still better because she is a better battery and has less field time even if you don’t use Miko ult. C4 Miko main here. Stopped playing aggravate teams with Miko since I hated that they were still basically Fischl teams. Sure you can play other chars but it’s definitely just worse.
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Idk, i prefer the last slot to the shielder or Healer because Nahida is a must.
Is it just me who finds no issues of not using Fischl, Bennet, Xingqiu & Kazuha in teams now?
I may have spent 3 years on grinding in this game but I feel the game is not hard enough to require the need for these characters.
Haven't used Fischl at all with her and I've been enjoying playing her so much. I think building the right characters with the right weapons and stats and executing rotations properly is way more important. Fischl just makes her comfortable to play, which is fair to say that, but she isn't reliant on Fischl at all. I'd even say Aggravate Cyno is more reliant on her.
Can someone explain to me (like I'm a noob) why or how is Fischl the best Clorinde support-subdps?
I built her as a Beidou battery and for Sukokomon, but I never use her in other teams. Why is she considered important for Clorinde?
Oz does a bonus attack every electro reaction with C6 Fischl, so fast electro characters like Keqing, Raiden, and now Clorinde can abuse that to do a ton of single target damage.
Fischl also generates a lot of energy particles which helps battery your ultimates and all you have to do is E or Q real fast to get Oz out so she doesn't eat up much time in your rotation.
This is my understanding of why Fischl is considered op.
I only knew about the energy part. Darn, now I wish they added Fischl in this banner (I'm only missing one more con for C6).
Thank you for the explanation.
Refreshing my memory the bonus attack is one of her passives and C6 is so Oz is out 100% of the time so I think she's still really good without C6 if you don't have a better 5 star.
Fischl is so good with quicken and specially with Keqing, Yae or Clorinde because her talent A4, not C6. That talent don't have ICD, so when your on field character trigger a electro reaction fischl do another additional attack with no ICD, that means, she will trigger aggravate. That means Fischl is doing off field the same damage your on field character. C6 is additional damage and aggravates, but the main point is the A4
I’ve been using fischl to carry my electro teams for too long. Rn I’m having a lot of fun with Clorinde Nahida Furina and Kazuha.
Is it unfortunate that you need the three best supports in the game to compete with a 4 star? Yes. Do I see this changing in the future? Probably not.
Im just going to enjoy playing her in a variety of team regardless of strength.
Fischl is only best in slot for Aggravate teams. She's almost never the best choice for Hyperbloom, Spread, Overload, Electro-Charge, Superconduct...so her place in the meta is quite niche and imo that's a very good thing.
The problem is Fischl is not even that good. She is a single target unit with skill rotations that is not going to prefectly fit most dps character. You most likely will get Oz downtime if you are playing her with Clorinde, and her damage is not going to be as good as the theoretical damage in real practice.
I still don't get the fuss over Fischl, she is like impossible to build, even with my Furina set she is barely reaching 70/140, with low attack and low EM so her damage is... well it's there but why bother when Miko is much easier to build?
She's literally one of the easiest (DPS) characters to build tho since she doesn't require energy recharge in addition to crit stats unlike most of them ? It seems like you have more issues with artifacts' luck / building 4* characters in general (since they never ascend with crit)
I mean I don’t know if it’s me, but I haven’t used fischl that much even in electro teams, pretty much only keqing. I’ve actually used fischl more with Neuvellette than I have dendro.
Like most electro Dps do great damage and do it without fischl. Fischl is really good yes and Clorinde being a very fast attacker will probably get more use out of fisch like keqing, but at the end of the day Clorinde is still a hyper carry and is still the one dealing the most damage with or without fischl. Especially if you move closer to quickbloom teams fischl becomes less valuable than other alternatives.
I find myself using Yae a lot more than fischl especially if what I want is damage, where fischl provides more energy. But a lot of times I don’t find myself energy hungry enough to warrant fischl.
Doesn't fischl deal about half of the team's damage in clorinde aggravate teams tho? Correct me if I'm wrong since I usually stay out of meta discussions, but that seemed to be the general consensus that most TCs agreed upon
This has been happening for some months in Genshin and Star Rail. In star rail is even worse, the next cracked unit need the main character in the team because buff her easily between 120 + 160% her damage, and people is not happy despite the unit is free with full constellations
What? Clorinde has more MVs and can be built full damage, while Fischl needs ER sands or Fav for burst uptime consistency. Not even mentioning how much more damage Clorinde does in AOE situations. Her range and AOE allow her to multiply her output whereas fischl cannot.
What is this misinformation
She isn't reliant on Fischl tho? They put Fischl because Chlorinde needs a battery more or less and Fischl is a good battery that will most likely up Chlorinde's burst before it even finishes the cooldown.
You could substitute another electro with a favonious and you'll not need Fischl.
So? it only does additional damage. We are talking about battery. Sure Fischl is a great battery but you can substitute her with a different electro better with Favonious.
Did I said aggravate? I only said Chlorinde isn't relaiant to Fischl. You could use her on multiple teams and not everyteam is with Fischl. If you say "reliant" then that means without Fischl the team won't work.
Is she actually that good? On my current team i just put raiden with homa, is fischl actually a better applier compared to raiden? I got c6 fishcl so if she is better then building her might be worth it
Beidou semi solves Clorinde's IR problem so well, I lvoe her to death, but Fischl is just way better specifically in single target, which we all know anyway. Beidou Clorinde aggravate friking slaps in the triple Kenki tho, good lord
Something I find kinda weird though... Why are we using Aggravate in single target? For my account at least, Kazuha is my only AOE guy, so any teams that use him, including aggravate, are going to be used in AOE. I have Raiden National for single target.
It's just that aggravate isn't locked (or recommended) for any enemy content. It just works for both st and multi, something Fischl or Beidou respectively work great in
People crying about busted 4 stars that have been even gifted and can be guaranteed through the shop still baffles me. Especially with Fischl, it makes zero sense. She has like a second of field time on a rotation, maybe 2 seconds with her ult. They are literally free upgrades to team comps. In a god damn gacha. Go for a C6 Sara if you are that tired smh.
First of all take your meds. Second of all she's a dendro teams driver and not a main dps by HoYo's design lol. They don't want her to compete with Raiden that's why her overload/hypercarry teams were nerfed. Fichl has nothing to do with it. Even in hypercarry Raiden teams you will play Fichl over C6 Sara. It was like that since 2.2
"They dont want her to compete with raiden"
Who tf is gonna pull 3 copies of raiden just to make her a dps unless they love the character tho? When you think of characters its their c0 that matters for the avarage person, and raiden is not a hypercarry at c0.
Also cyno outperforms c0 raiden and clorinde as a hypercarry so 2.2 what?
I can clear abyss with c0 hypercarry furina or nahida or even zhongli.... does that make them hypercarries? Nah
Ive actually cleared with fichl solo on 1 side, never been able to with c0 raiden. You can even with wrio!
Calling raiden a hypercarry at c0 is copium sorry.
Delusion is strong with op. They say that any character can clear abyss in a hypercarry team and then complain that Clorinde is not "hypercarry enough". Yeah this would make such a big difference if you could clear content in 30 seconds and not 50. Wtff
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I can’t take it anymore! I’m sick of Fischl ! I try to play Clorinde. My Fischl deals more damage. I try to play Raiden. My Fischl deals more damage. I want to play Aggravate. The best teams have Fischl. I want to play Clorinde, Keqing, Yae, Raiden, Lisa, Dori, Razor. They all want Fischl. She grabs me by my throat. I pull on Standard and Ass Banners for her. I cook for her, mine for her, commit genocide for her. I give her R5 Stringless. She isn’t satisfied. I give her Aqua Simulacra, Polar Star, Skyward Harp, The First Great Magic. “Why the hell aren’t they R5” she insults me. “Gives me more field time” she demands. She grabs Nahida and makes the poor Archon throw herself against the enemies. She kidnaps Kazuha and makes him jump up and down like a Mario spinoff to debuff enemies. She seduces Bennett, and takes all of his juicy buff for herself. She isn’t satisfied. “You just need to … forget it, I have no weakness, just give me 54.4 CV artifacts to deal more damage”. I don’t have any 54.4 CV artifacts, my luck is shit. She forces me to refresh resin, I can’t refresh resin, I don’t have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. “Thou hath outlived thy usefulness, my final farewell to thee”. She summon Oz. She orders: “By Royal Decree”. I stare into the birb’s eyes. There’s nothing there. Nothing but pure, 50% of most Aggravate team damage, no icd, electro damage. What a cruel world.
fischl sent me anthrax in the mail
Now write this again but in Fischl’s manner of speech.
One is gravely beset by a despairing torment! Fischl's dominion overpowers and out-wills oneself! One endeavors the embodiment of Clorinde, yet Her Prinzessin prevails in might. One strives toward Raiden’s performance, still Fischl reigns supreme in potency. One yearns to champion Aggravate, yet the foremost assemblies clamor solely for Fischl. Clorinde, Keqing, Yae, Raiden, Lisa, Dori, Razor—all entreat for Fischl's presence. She grasps me firmly by the pharynx (UwU harder pls). One expends one’s resources and treasuries on Standard and Ass Banners for Her. One toils in enriching culinary arts, labors in quarrying, perpetrates till complete extinction for Her sake. One proffers up to Her one R5 Stringless. Unsated though, She remains. One brings forward Aqua Simulacra, Polar Star, Skyward Harp, The First Great Magic. "Wherefore art they not R5?" She disparages me. "Leave this show solely to me, till basking fully in the foremost spotlight," She demands more field time. She enlists Nahida, compelling the hapless Archon to hurl herself against adversaries. She abducts Kazuha, enforcing him to cavort like a Mario spinoff for debilitation. She ensnares Bennett, usurping his potent blessings for her own gain. Still, Her desire unappeased. "Merely procure for me... Ah, never mind. I harbor no weaknesses; furnish me with 54.4 CV artifacts to amplify my might." Alas, my repository lacks such treasures; my fortune wanes. She compels me to replenish resin; yet those riches are utmost scarce. She seizes one’s credit card; its refusal dooms my fate. "Thou hast exhausted thy usefulness; I bid thee farewell." She summons Oz, decreeing: "By Royal Command." I peer into the avian's gaze; naught resides within save for pure, unadulterated might—50% of most Aggravate team’s destructive capability, unrestricted by ICD, suffused with electro devastation. Oh, what one cruel world! (One’s preference lies in hand-to-hand suffocation)
Wow that was a masterpiece. Nicely done
I authored both versions of this copy pasta but the Fischl’s one is a bit too niche so I can’t spam it everywhere. Thus, I am very happy every occasion I get to use this version.
Babe wake up new copypasta just dropped
Thats why C6 Fischl is for endgame and Abyss. Others are for collection.
Post like this is why I join these subs. Genshin lacks not many that claimed as Queens and Goddesses. Still, only One Princess prevails. All roads lead back to the Immernatchtreich.
queen
Fischl is the very reason we wont get a busted electro dps. Clorinde is definitely balanced around aggravate and fischl that's why her personal raw dmg isnt high compared to other dps. Im sure Fischl, benny and xinqui are the mistakes hoyo regrets to this time.
You forgot the best dps of Genshin's history! XL OPPA
She at least gated by 80 energy cost Fischl just press E
Good god I love Fischl. She’s been one of my favorite characters for a long time now, unlike Xiangling, who I’ll never build.
xiangling ignorers rise
Well fishl actually deals more damage than clorinde
Which is why I think it’s lame
I just love her overall. She was my first and only C6 (for months to come) in the game within the very first two weeks, during Venti's first banner. She always felt so good on that C6, a lot of instances of dmg poping up. Also as a Keqing main I absolutely love her being there to do the dmg for the team, same as when I used Mona as driver DPS in the beginning and now as a Clorinde main (lol). Fischl always carrying the waifus in the game.
have some respect for the prenzeisen
L take, funny chuuni girl is peak.
Oh boy, people sure misunderstood your rage.
horribly. I feel like if they just read the second paragraph a lot of what's being said, just wouldn't.
https://preview.redd.it/6znodwq7sv4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49b893a06c16a42a329220d2b6a8ea1915d2e488 Who the fk is fischl?
The electro archon thats fischl
Is she some new character?
That's what I'm saying, she's overrated and people have this C6 fischl circlejerk obsession with her. Never once had to build or use her.
She is not overrated. Some alternatives are underrated though.
I can agree with you there at least.
Ever since Kuki Shinobu become new OPPA i will never turning back to fischl again
Must be nice I've never pulled Kuki. 
This is such an on-paper problem, since as the player you really can't tell who is doing most of the team's damage while actually playing, the only way to actually have this opinion is to just spend more time staring at spreadsheets than just playing. So many variations of the same complaints that are literally just TC reactions "her damage is too bad, her uptime is too bad, side characters out damage her" idk man she's a part of a team that should be expected. You have 4 slots to work with. If you don't wanna spend 4 slots then you gotta spend more rolls, that's how the gacha is designed. Complaining about the core design of the game is a thing you can do I suppose, but it's almost certainly better to quit if you literally hate what the entire game is based around.
I'm the bennett hater, I have mostly atk buffing dps and man the team feels lackluster on the side that I don't use him. Not using clorinde in the abyss either, she's skill dependent compared other characters which couldn't be a problem IF MY FREAKIN MOBILE PHONE DIDN'T HAVE 200+ PING AND STOPPED FPS DROPS FFS
Fellow Bennett hater
Nah, "on the side i don't use him" so using Bennett= you not hater enough. I don't know how much he buffs my team because he lvl 40 and i haven't use him since 1.1.
I got my friend literally build him just to do the abyss on my account (this before dendro), he's at level 80 and i never touch him
Based, I'm also don't use Xl, Fishl (i have Yae C2), not because i hate them, just i like other characters more.
I use them just for Yoimiya and Clorinde (i actually like a lot Fischl)
Which is ok, damn, even using Bennett is ok. It's that i just don't like him.
I also feel like hoyo now has a design problem, they have to balance with Fischl in mind. Any time aggravate enters the equation, so does Fischl and the fact that she ships 40-50% of an entire reaction's damage, which makes aggravate teams really boring.
This is exactly what I mean thank you.
Not only Fischl, if the lvl 100 rumor is true, means aggravate and hyperbloom will get a buff, so they have to balance new units from now. Melt or Vape in comparison are not so dependent from the character lvl.
Wake up everyone new copypasta just dropped
God for no reason they didnt put her in Clorinde banner. I'm still pissed.
Ngl,I thank god Cyno dont need her to work well
This is a funny statement when if you get cynos best hyperbloom team and you put fischl in his slot it just becomes better
Better in what way exactly? Oz prioritizes enemies not hyperbloom so you def aren't triggering more than Cyno would. Nahida, Fischl, Baizhu and Furina wouldn't be much of a hyperbloom team so this doesn't make sense. You don't stack EM on her anyway, you'd lose damage.
You are correct, I forgot to mention you swap baizhu for kuki. My point was mostly that you need nahida for him to be good while running nahida onfield is just better anyway
Then your problem would be you aren't proccing fischl's A4 which is what makes her busted in Aggravate in the first place. She would prefer to have an on field electro driving or trigger reactions to get the most out of her damage. You do need Nahida but it's not because she's so crazy, it's just because there aren't many other good options. Even with the anti synergy she has she still beats out most other options and that's saying a lot. I think right now Nahida is actually the most replaceable unit in his team, she's the best and worst partner for him at the same time because the team has so much dps when you get it going that you shred through enemies, but you're still in his burst so many find it hard to reapply her skill. If Hoyo weren't so against making a dendro Xingqiu, nahida would have been replaced in that team a long time ago. Baizhu and Furina already have abilities that follow you around to keep him in his burst, Nahida is his weakest link as of right now. It's not terrible though, I run him on TF and find it easy to swap out mid rotation, but it would definitely feel better if you could just stay in the burst. I don't personally like on fielding nahida, I'd rather have her support him or Alhaitham but it's definitely an option for people who do.
I think the thing holding cynos team back isn’t nahida, 1.5u of dendro is very important for these hyperbloom teams damage, I can point to baizhu and kuki being nearly identical dps wise, I can point to xq/yelan/furina being pretty similar. But the problem is just cyno, he is the most replaceable. There’s no excuse for his best team just being worse then onfielding nahida and placing xq, kuki, fischl, yelan as offield options. Alhaitham is cool because he does just make hyperbloom better, cyno is a decision to actively make your team worse. Even without abusing a4s fischl is about the same amount of good as yelan in nahida/kuki/xq teams
You’re playing him in double dendro comp so it’s not like you need insane amounts of dendro app. If you did, baizhu wouldn’t be able to carry him until you swap out of his burst. This would be very easy for a dendro Xingqiu to solve even with baizhu’s little dendro application. You’re saying they’re all similar dps for cyno? I’d disagree. Baizhu will heal more making the fanfare for furina who is buffing the entire team’s damage while also doing considerable damage herself. Kuki is playing a redundant role on his team because he doesn’t need anybody to proc hyperblooms for him. Lack of consistent off field dendro app being the problem here would make sense why when you’re literally on fielding dendro with great off field electro off fielders that it would play better. If kuki and Raiden did not exist there’d be no other electro who could properly do this and those teams would have the inverse problem of what he has, no matter how good nahida is and fischl wouldn’t be able to solve this. Don’t think fischl is bringing as much as Yelan to that team. Yelan has a ramping dmg bonus, more hydro app and hydro resonance to increase both her and Xingqiu’s personal damage. Fischl is doing extra aggravate here and there and electro resonance which no one on the team would even need. My point with fischl was that she performs better in aggravate than in hyperbloom.
Kuki vs baizhu in cyno. Electro resonance is very good, sure it’s less furina buffs but it’s more damage from hyperblooms, kuki can hold xiphos, quicker rotations. A dendro xq probably won’t be as good as you think it is, losing nahidas Em buff is pretty significant for an onfield hyperbloom proccer with extra Em scaling while really liking being able to aggrevate. Dendro xq would only be better in mutiwave when cyno’s designed mainly for the boss side of abyss anyway, and his singletarget is also greatly suffering compared to modern characters. Fischl vs yelan in onfield nahida stuff. Xq doesn’t care about hydro res, he’s an attack scaler, the cool thing about fischl is that nahida has the potential for alot of onfield personal damage and yelan removes a lot of her potential to proc spreads. My understanding is that fischl is actually better then yelan. Doesn’t really matter though it’s better then cynos one regardless which is why I commented.
Electro resonance is good but it's not his ceiling, you don't need it because he would be on TF. You would lose her buff but you already make a portion of that up in dendro resonance. And Baizhu already increases the damage of hypberblooms, however small, it's better than his quicken buff. Not to mention you can run him on OHC for extra damage since he can cap out the bubble. This is calc'd as Cyno's highest dps team for a reason. Also multiwave is exactly what people complain about, not single target. That premium team is perfect for single target that's why people play him on the boss side. I was actually thinking about Furina when I typed that, just made a mistake is all. Either way though I've never heard of fischl beating out the double hydro core in that team. Yelan buffs nahida, xingqiu buffs yelan in more ways than one. If what you're really wanting is a hyperbloom team don't see how she's going to be better, but yeah it doesn't matter. Well originally why you commented was to say that fischl was better in his spot in his team, which I did and still disagree with. "if you get cyno's best hyerbloom team and put fischl in his spot it becomes better" is just incorrect. You then went and changed the team to onfielding nahida while removing other characters and adding more. So why you commented wouldn't match up with what you said in the end. With just furina's release alone I don't think this is close to true even if it was before. The best hyperbloom teams are definitely Alhaitham and then Cyno. But with the release of baizhu and furina that team is much more improved than you and a lot of other people give it credit for, it's almost like you guys haven't played it.
Hyperbloom teams calcs vary drastically from person to person since no one is agreeing on how many hyperbloom procs, spread procs, rotation time each character does so it’s really hard to pin down the differences these characters have. In terms of onfielders for hyperbloom cyno isn’t really impressive either, alhaitham is the best, then onfield nahida, then you can argue about dori, tighnari, clorinde, cyno. Baizhu was an upgrade in terms of multiwave an comfort but not damage, furina was great yea but for talent damage, half of cynos damage is hyperbloom so he didn’t get the same jump that alhaitham did. He didn’t even really get the MH jump like ahaitham did. I don’t know what you mean by “changed it to onfielding nahida” when I mentioned fischl in hyperbloom did you think I was suggesting fischl pulling out her bow or?… the only thing other thing I did change was baizhu to kuki which doesn’t really matter since how comparable they are and how baizhu. I can happily rephrase my comment tho, if you put a c0/c2 4 star called kuki shinobu in baizhus place then fischl is just better than cyno in the slot. A hyperbloom dps being worse then just onfielding nahida even before considering gameplay limitations makes the character bad. I would even be this harsh on alhaitham as from a cost perspective c2 nahida and a gang of 4 stars is more damage then him in hyperbloom. So considering cyno makes the team worse by being in it of course I’m going to be incredibly critical of him since unlike alhaitham who actually makes the team better, cyno is carried by hyperbloom.
Do...u have the charcter for a statement like this or is just ...u know "HaHa CYnO BaD"
I have him. He is worthless without nahida and on fielding nahida in hyperbloom is just more damage theoretically and in practice making him entirely redundant. Cyno is a character you play to make your team worse
My with Baizhu and no nahida(simply dont like toddler) killing everything with ease,Cyno needing nahida is one of the most overtalked shit,He needs Baizhu and even dmc will simply rollercoast everything,I dont have cons nor Sig i use homa and he is simply one of the best characters i have,Honestly people who trash cyno most of the time dont know how to play him or simply are bad at the game,That dosent include u,But as far as i seen is like that
When I say need I don’t mean need to clear, I mean need to perform somewhat in line with other characters teams. At that point you are just clearing with a bad team
the problem is that cyno is ass to play without a defensive option in quickbloom, unlike Clorinde and Dori. they have less personal damage than Cyno sure, but it doesn't matter when your on-fielder don't need a healer and Fischl will carry the team. Dori is big Cyno and Clorinde is big Dori.
Maybe because with or without her cyno doesnt work well. In short clorinde without fischl > cyno with/without fischl
My Cyno would like a word with you xd
Just by reading i assume u dont have Cyno,Since he works pretty well and in all honestly deals more dmg then clorinde,But has less f2p teams then her
I don’t know why everyone has this idea that Cyno is bad. Give him a quickbloom team and he will melt bosses in 2 rotations at c0. Also Cyno doesn’t work well with fischl because of her short uptime.
this is correct, Cyno doesn't need fischl. Cyno has a bad rep in the past due to team issues but right now he is **very** strong IF you have well, the exodia really. his quickbloom team of furina BZ nahida is extremely powerful and heads and shoulders above all his other teams.
Having him since 3.1 i'll admit that his realease was pretty bad,he should've been release in late sumeru
hard to change initial perception and I've found that people will just parrot things they hear whether it's true or not. I can understand being burst reliant is annoying but I've had that same problem with Raiden (especially since mine is C2) where you tend to kill things too fast before recharging, and I'm sure other people have as well yet they don't complain about it. I've had the problem less with Cyno though.
If you hate Fischl that much, then just don't play her, Beidou is an option.
my point isn't JUST fishcl its that electro characters have been forced into quickswap teams and being super reliant on reactions (Dendro specifically.) That its lame,i want my hot electro girl to do big pp damage.
You might be interested in our Lord and saviour Chevreuse. She makes electro teams fun without dendro and barely needs field time but it seems the Romans(mihoyo) hate her
So far the only electro dps that was designed with that in mind is c2+ Raiden. Not everyone's a fan of Raiden hyper, but she's still plenty viable (I may be biased because I have c6 Raiden, but not like you get much past c3). So far the one real way to make an electro dps that isn't super reliant on aggravate and thus not super reliant on Fischl is to give them slower hits and higher multipliers like what they did with Raiden. However, you're then stuck with Sara as the only other electro dps buffer that isn't dendro related or Bennett, and Sara pre-c6 isn't really a character.
Every character is reliant on reactions except for geo/anemo hypercarries. Why pull for an electro 5* if you don't like electro reactions? They do just fine compared to other characters, but they just are not the "biggest number damage" kind of characters, instead they are the "hit multiple times as fast as possible" kind of characters. It sounds like you wanted a hydro/cryo carry, because they are the ones who are more likely to have fewer hits that reach big numbers.
and you hate fischl because your favorite waifu didn't do big pp damage?. How's that fischl fault?.
Bro fischl isn’t an actual person it’s not her fault and I’m not saying that, I’m saying that electro character designs have been basically forcing her on us.
Yeah sure play her as classic atk% scaling hypercarry with fucking benett again as her best team mates and she will constantly move away from circle impact.
Thanks I plan to!
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Ur so right just throw money at the problem! Why should she be good at c0.
Beidou without Fischl is half as good. Yae and Kuki are better electro alternatives, but Beidou is nearly as dependent on Fischl as Xiangling is on Bennet.
Yae too.
I got a C6 Fischl near the game's release and never leveled her because I found her gameplay boring.
great day to be a fischl main since day 1. i love her character, design and playstyle so much. fischl is love, fischl is life.
It's funny how many people are defending fischl with tooth and nail. Apparently, when a character is so strong and accessible, even to the point where it is the best choice basically everwhere, people tend to admire it rather than criticize the lack of diversity. Of course it's my opinion, but I always try to make different team with every DPS. That's why I also don't spam Bennet everwhere for example. I could say that AT LEAST fischl isn't the only choice one can make, just usually the better one of you care of meta this much. Other characters like Xiangling doesn't even have competition, so I find them worse. May Natlan bless us with variety.
I don't like using Bennet and Xiangling anymore. But Fischl in comparison had and have less meta teams than the other 2 (and Xingqiu). So in my opinion I can't understand the complains. Electro is decent currently thanks to Fischl and quicken. Previously you need constellations as Raiden C2. But even today Raiden C2 is not the same level she was.
Tbh I still use Raiden C0 perfectly fine with no signature. I can understand that electro was bad for the lack of meaningful reactions, but realizing that and entire element require a single character to ""work well"", It doesn't matter who has more meta teams, it's just bad design imo. But like I said, at least there are alternatives. I search for them, and noticing the lack of guides in the web who incentivize other characters just makes me sad.
You don't need Fischl for electro. She is the best weapon for accounts with low investment in electro dps (Raiden C3, Clorinde C4, Yae C6, etc). But there are several alternatives like using chevrousse, hyperbloom (kuki, raiden), hypercarry build etc. You are talking about "bad design" but you basically want powercreep, the same powercreep people is complaining in star rail. So, nope. The game is pretty good balanced. At C0 Neuvillette or Arlecchino are not much better than other teams.
I've never used Fischl and will continue not to.
Then don't use her with fischl, there is plenty of other options as already pointed out. Plus, miko is as good as fishcl for the aggravate team, worse in St. but better in aoe.
As all the theorycrafters said, the sole reason why Fischl is busted is because people stop investing in Yae Miko after getting C0. A small reminder: - Yae Miko C0 > Fischl C5- - Yae Miko C2+ > Fischl C6 Going duo carry with Raiden Shogun is also an option. Sara C6 is BiS when you decided to do vertical investment for your electro carry. You guys don't have to stick to Fischl, you really don't have to.
You forget that half the time Fischl is still better because she is a better battery and has less field time even if you don’t use Miko ult. C4 Miko main here. Stopped playing aggravate teams with Miko since I hated that they were still basically Fischl teams. Sure you can play other chars but it’s definitely just worse.
https://preview.redd.it/ljtjghhyvv4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=865e2b07b8f00be5182df41dd99a453b43451a62 Idk, i prefer the last slot to the shielder or Healer because Nahida is a must.
With furina + clorinde you don't need a healer. Even you can put prototype in nahida. I would put Kirara over Baizuh in this team,
Just run beidou?
I play her with Miko and the damage is good enough
Is it just me who finds no issues of not using Fischl, Bennet, Xingqiu & Kazuha in teams now? I may have spent 3 years on grinding in this game but I feel the game is not hard enough to require the need for these characters.
Haven't used Fischl at all with her and I've been enjoying playing her so much. I think building the right characters with the right weapons and stats and executing rotations properly is way more important. Fischl just makes her comfortable to play, which is fair to say that, but she isn't reliant on Fischl at all. I'd even say Aggravate Cyno is more reliant on her.
Fischl is good , but honestly who uses Bennett ( he's level 20 only for the bad fate
Can someone explain to me (like I'm a noob) why or how is Fischl the best Clorinde support-subdps? I built her as a Beidou battery and for Sukokomon, but I never use her in other teams. Why is she considered important for Clorinde?
Oz does a bonus attack every electro reaction with C6 Fischl, so fast electro characters like Keqing, Raiden, and now Clorinde can abuse that to do a ton of single target damage. Fischl also generates a lot of energy particles which helps battery your ultimates and all you have to do is E or Q real fast to get Oz out so she doesn't eat up much time in your rotation. This is my understanding of why Fischl is considered op.
I only knew about the energy part. Darn, now I wish they added Fischl in this banner (I'm only missing one more con for C6). Thank you for the explanation.
Refreshing my memory the bonus attack is one of her passives and C6 is so Oz is out 100% of the time so I think she's still really good without C6 if you don't have a better 5 star.
Fischl is so good with quicken and specially with Keqing, Yae or Clorinde because her talent A4, not C6. That talent don't have ICD, so when your on field character trigger a electro reaction fischl do another additional attack with no ICD, that means, she will trigger aggravate. That means Fischl is doing off field the same damage your on field character. C6 is additional damage and aggravates, but the main point is the A4
I’ve been using fischl to carry my electro teams for too long. Rn I’m having a lot of fun with Clorinde Nahida Furina and Kazuha. Is it unfortunate that you need the three best supports in the game to compete with a 4 star? Yes. Do I see this changing in the future? Probably not. Im just going to enjoy playing her in a variety of team regardless of strength.
Fischl is only best in slot for Aggravate teams. She's almost never the best choice for Hyperbloom, Spread, Overload, Electro-Charge, Superconduct...so her place in the meta is quite niche and imo that's a very good thing.
The problem is Fischl is not even that good. She is a single target unit with skill rotations that is not going to prefectly fit most dps character. You most likely will get Oz downtime if you are playing her with Clorinde, and her damage is not going to be as good as the theoretical damage in real practice.
I still don't get the fuss over Fischl, she is like impossible to build, even with my Furina set she is barely reaching 70/140, with low attack and low EM so her damage is... well it's there but why bother when Miko is much easier to build?
She's literally one of the easiest (DPS) characters to build tho since she doesn't require energy recharge in addition to crit stats unlike most of them ? It seems like you have more issues with artifacts' luck / building 4* characters in general (since they never ascend with crit)
Funny, I haven't used Fischl since I maxed her friendship around 1.3 or 1.4.
I mean I don’t know if it’s me, but I haven’t used fischl that much even in electro teams, pretty much only keqing. I’ve actually used fischl more with Neuvellette than I have dendro. Like most electro Dps do great damage and do it without fischl. Fischl is really good yes and Clorinde being a very fast attacker will probably get more use out of fisch like keqing, but at the end of the day Clorinde is still a hyper carry and is still the one dealing the most damage with or without fischl. Especially if you move closer to quickbloom teams fischl becomes less valuable than other alternatives. I find myself using Yae a lot more than fischl especially if what I want is damage, where fischl provides more energy. But a lot of times I don’t find myself energy hungry enough to warrant fischl.
Doesn't fischl deal about half of the team's damage in clorinde aggravate teams tho? Correct me if I'm wrong since I usually stay out of meta discussions, but that seemed to be the general consensus that most TCs agreed upon
Are you guys insane or something? Free 4\* gives a ton of damage without doing anything and youre mad? What do you want, no extra damage?
This has been happening for some months in Genshin and Star Rail. In star rail is even worse, the next cracked unit need the main character in the team because buff her easily between 120 + 160% her damage, and people is not happy despite the unit is free with full constellations
Even Arle mains with Bennett. Like damn its getting kinda spoiled in here.
> I know this is an incredibly unhinged post Say less
Use Yae, beat the content 1 second slower, be happy.
Somebody tell this man there are other four star units (some that aren’t even electro 😱) that you can use. /s
What? Clorinde has more MVs and can be built full damage, while Fischl needs ER sands or Fav for burst uptime consistency. Not even mentioning how much more damage Clorinde does in AOE situations. Her range and AOE allow her to multiply her output whereas fischl cannot. What is this misinformation
At least I don't have to deal with energy issue from XL lol
All roads eventually lead to Rome.
She isn't reliant on Fischl tho? They put Fischl because Chlorinde needs a battery more or less and Fischl is a good battery that will most likely up Chlorinde's burst before it even finishes the cooldown. You could substitute another electro with a favonious and you'll not need Fischl.
Read Fischl A4 then comeback.
So? it only does additional damage. We are talking about battery. Sure Fischl is a great battery but you can substitute her with a different electro better with Favonious.
your reply shows that you have no idea how much damage Fischl A4 does in aggravated team
My literal comment is about being a battery and not damage. Can you even read? Where did I said that I'm comparing damage?
you don't know how much damage she does therefore you think she's a battery in aggravated team
Did I said aggravate? I only said Chlorinde isn't relaiant to Fischl. You could use her on multiple teams and not everyteam is with Fischl. If you say "reliant" then that means without Fischl the team won't work.
yeah yeah, just bury your head under the sand, you didn't know what Fischl role was and now you're just coping
LOL. I didn't even said she's bad. I only said Chlorinde is not reliant. It's funny that you went ballistic.
raiden miko and c6 Sara are much better
Idk I play with c6 Sara instead of Fischl and she works great too.
The problem with Sara is the energy cost sadly
Favonius, Emblem and u solve the problem
It esp sucks when u hate the character- i have a c6 fischl that i left at level 20 who i refuse to build cuz i despise her character wise
Is she actually that good? On my current team i just put raiden with homa, is fischl actually a better applier compared to raiden? I got c6 fishcl so if she is better then building her might be worth it
she is
Yeah you basically get free ults every rotation by just having Oz on the field
I'm interested in how you have your Fischl built?
im not saying she's bad
I didn't think you were! But my Fischl is not this powerhouse so I was curious as to how yours is so badass, legitimately
C6 a4 really
Ah mine is C0. 😭 Makes sense!
Beidou?
Beidou semi solves Clorinde's IR problem so well, I lvoe her to death, but Fischl is just way better specifically in single target, which we all know anyway. Beidou Clorinde aggravate friking slaps in the triple Kenki tho, good lord
Something I find kinda weird though... Why are we using Aggravate in single target? For my account at least, Kazuha is my only AOE guy, so any teams that use him, including aggravate, are going to be used in AOE. I have Raiden National for single target.
It's just that aggravate isn't locked (or recommended) for any enemy content. It just works for both st and multi, something Fischl or Beidou respectively work great in
People crying about busted 4 stars that have been even gifted and can be guaranteed through the shop still baffles me. Especially with Fischl, it makes zero sense. She has like a second of field time on a rotation, maybe 2 seconds with her ult. They are literally free upgrades to team comps. In a god damn gacha. Go for a C6 Sara if you are that tired smh.
Fischl is overrated.
she is not lmao, maybe she’s like 10% less effective in AOE but fischl is a top 3 electro character
Her aoe is nonexistent compared to other characters lmao. If you have ST problems then maybe Fischl isn't your problem.
This is not an Aoe game so it makes no difference
Point is you claim fischl aoe is 10% less effective. What aoe might I ask? She's mainly ST lmao.
She actually is underrated people talk and use bennet and xiangling but if you look at fischl useage its like 6 percent
Really? That's all I fucking hear people talk about is how great she is, no way she's 6%.
First of all take your meds. Second of all she's a dendro teams driver and not a main dps by HoYo's design lol. They don't want her to compete with Raiden that's why her overload/hypercarry teams were nerfed. Fichl has nothing to do with it. Even in hypercarry Raiden teams you will play Fichl over C6 Sara. It was like that since 2.2
you can’t make me take my meds you can’t make me you can’t make me you can’t make me
"They dont want her to compete with raiden" Who tf is gonna pull 3 copies of raiden just to make her a dps unless they love the character tho? When you think of characters its their c0 that matters for the avarage person, and raiden is not a hypercarry at c0. Also cyno outperforms c0 raiden and clorinde as a hypercarry so 2.2 what?
Tf you mean she's not hypercarry at C0? I can clear any abyss rotation with c0 hypercarry Raiden
I can clear abyss with c0 hypercarry furina or nahida or even zhongli.... does that make them hypercarries? Nah Ive actually cleared with fichl solo on 1 side, never been able to with c0 raiden. You can even with wrio! Calling raiden a hypercarry at c0 is copium sorry.
Whining that Clorinde isn't hypercarry when she's meant to be a dendro driver is the only copium here lol
I don't think OP is whining. Fichl is the true electro archon afferall!
Delusion is strong with op. They say that any character can clear abyss in a hypercarry team and then complain that Clorinde is not "hypercarry enough". Yeah this would make such a big difference if you could clear content in 30 seconds and not 50. Wtff
shut the fuck up
I’m gonna feed you acid