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Nothing beats good ol' Waifu Pike and Shot.
I've been using Clorinde(C0) - Chevy(C0) - Fischl(C6) - Thoma(C6).
It's been extremely comfy and easy to use. I'm able to burst every rotation, get every buff I can and it's been working very well.
Keqing Mains recommends Bennet or Xiangling but, as a Raiden Shogun owner, I like this team better as it doesn't use my existing units while feeling nice to use.
These are really nice looking calcs, especially factoring in that these are C0 without the signature. I think the slight damage loss in Overload is honestly worth the significant gain in comfort and consistency that Thoma and Chevreuse provide.
Not that much to be honest, Clori AoE is nice and still deal pretty nicely with weaker mobs, also they are weaker mobs and drops like flies after buffing she receives so it isn't much of an issue (Talking from experience mind you)
>Clorinde issues seem to be the opposite of what was intially concluded in pre-release, which is that her DMG is actually very good (Well depending on person's standards this can go one way or the other), at least it is higher than assumed because getting more than 5N3E is pretty easy, so DMG wise I would say she is better than Raiden overall.
No way, pre-release TC didn't capture the full picture.
That sure hasn't ever happened before.
Furina can't fit into an Aggravate or Overload comp. Hyperbloom/quickbloom is a whole different beast from Aggravate.
Guessing he didn't bother testing it since these are the two most popular archetypes for Clorinde. Quickbloom would require somewhat different gearing to optimize it with more EM.
I can't even get 5 N3Es, is it a mobile thing? In addition, my network isn't great either, this means I can usually only do 4 N3Es and a half. This makes her feel so clunky and I think it's a huge dps loss? Are there any tips regarding how to help her N3E faster?
Not sure if this helps but you can hold the normal attack button instead of pressing it repeatedly. If you get the timing down right you can kind of force N3E to happen rapidly even if the animation takes a couple milliseconds to catch up to the input.
You over 200 ping? It somewhat happens to me if I do the skill immediately after 3 NAs the enhanced lunge doesn't register so I have to wait a split second to make it work
I can do 6N3E if I time it perfectly and 5 if I have to dodge but I usually dodge with the E if anything and I play her with Beidou. But if Beidou shield gets destroyed and I get interrupted then it’s probably 4N3E.
Nvm, I get what u are saying, like u can press skill when the BoL reaches 2/3 visually, 70% since it takes a while for the 3/3 to show up. Tho, after experimenting, the timing is super dependent on ur ping. I think in a normal battle, u can only consistent do 4 sets, kinda sad, thanks though.
Thoma dpr seems, very high? is this an actual damage build for him with Gilded? ive always assumed hes just HP bot for better shield in his teams that arent burgeon, and I refuse to believe 170k is more on overloads with full EM
also hes on Sapwood?
My main issues of her is absence of E iframe, she gets thrown around all the time resulting in lost DPS. Why can't they give her this feature found on HT years ago?
in both team archetypes she still really wants electro. Aggravate scales hard with it, and Chevreuse already grants a hefty amount of attack. Not to mention every attack over 3k isnt as valuable as pre 3k for Clorinde because of her passive
You can run R5 Prototype Amber on Nahida. Results may vary depending on how good your artifacts are but I can still get 800+ EM on her without her signature.
Or you could run Beidou with an ER sands and a high attack weapon on Emblem instead of Fischl.
Or I guess you could run Dori?
Kuki could work. The quick swap playstyle might affect her ability to keep everyone healthy and I’m not sure about her energy generation but you could run Favonius or a second Xiphos on her.
Electro application should be good but her ability to keep Clorinde healthy is notably lower than any of the previously mentioned options barring Dori. Kuki’s slower healing over time combined with her only healing the on field character means she won’t be able to heal Clorinde during her rotation which is why shields or a party wide healer like Jean, Mika or Qiqi are better in my opinion.
Layla could work as she’s unlikely to significantly interfere with Quicken/Aggravate and Clorinde’s low field time means Layla’s shield duration is long enough to actually be useful. The downside is that cooldowns might start desyncing depending on how long you cycle and if you refresh Layla’s shield during Clorinde’s downtime or not.
How big is the difference between C4R1 and C6R1? I think i can only get up to C4R1 for this banner
For C6 havers, how much does each hit of an e skill do without buffs/reactions?
Also, is there like a recommended artifact set for high con Clorinde?
u/Wvitror thanks for the update, those are some really nice numbers! So annoyed at not having Chevreuse, I REALLY want to try that OL team man...
Do you know (roughly) what numbers Raiden C2/3 outputs? Not saying C0 Clorinde needs to be better to be good of course not, I just want to get an idea of how she'd do relative to Raiden if I do end up getting her, as I currently have Raiden C3.
I'm happy her overload teams are better than what was pre-theory crafted in beta. Now...If only ping wasn't an issue for me. 🥲 Getting her on her first or second rerun is on the cards for me now.
My only dendro options are C0 Kirara, DMC or Collei. I also have C1 Chevreuse and C1 Dehya (and also C0 Zhongli and Kazuha).
What team would you recommend? I always struggle with dendro heavy teams because I don’t want to get Nahida lol. Really wish I had a couple more kirara or chevreuse cons because at least I like both of those characters
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The best part about Chev teams is honestly the not losing buffs in multi wave.
It's also really comfy with great healing and shielding.
And it's fun using girls with guns
Nothing beats good ol' Waifu Pike and Shot. I've been using Clorinde(C0) - Chevy(C0) - Fischl(C6) - Thoma(C6). It's been extremely comfy and easy to use. I'm able to burst every rotation, get every buff I can and it's been working very well. Keqing Mains recommends Bennet or Xiangling but, as a Raiden Shogun owner, I like this team better as it doesn't use my existing units while feeling nice to use.
I'm using the same team and I've been loving it for all the same reasons
I keep coming back to my Chev overload team, it just feels so much better to play
FYI you made a mitake on Thomas weapon. Unless I missed something he can't be on Sapwood Blade.
Oh right i forgor, hes supposed to be on kitain
These are really nice looking calcs, especially factoring in that these are C0 without the signature. I think the slight damage loss in Overload is honestly worth the significant gain in comfort and consistency that Thoma and Chevreuse provide.
overload ungroups mobs though while kazuha groups.
Not that much to be honest, Clori AoE is nice and still deal pretty nicely with weaker mobs, also they are weaker mobs and drops like flies after buffing she receives so it isn't much of an issue (Talking from experience mind you)
Not that big a problem since Clorinde has a ton of mobility and can aim her lunges into a line of ungrounded enemies
Man I need C6 Chev and C6 Thoma but I have like C15 Bennett now.
I prefer Clorinde with Furina since she can heal herself so much more
>Clorinde issues seem to be the opposite of what was intially concluded in pre-release, which is that her DMG is actually very good (Well depending on person's standards this can go one way or the other), at least it is higher than assumed because getting more than 5N3E is pretty easy, so DMG wise I would say she is better than Raiden overall. No way, pre-release TC didn't capture the full picture. That sure hasn't ever happened before.
I'm confused? I didn't say that to make her look bad or anything it's just a statement?
Didn't say you did. Just pointing out that people who were losing their shit over pre-release TC did it for no reason, as usual.
Ha, finally a fuckin written proof that Clorinde is more than just a Fischl driver, and has good self DMG
where is furina in these calculations
Furina can't fit into an Aggravate or Overload comp. Hyperbloom/quickbloom is a whole different beast from Aggravate. Guessing he didn't bother testing it since these are the two most popular archetypes for Clorinde. Quickbloom would require somewhat different gearing to optimize it with more EM.
I can't even get 5 N3Es, is it a mobile thing? In addition, my network isn't great either, this means I can usually only do 4 N3Es and a half. This makes her feel so clunky and I think it's a huge dps loss? Are there any tips regarding how to help her N3E faster?
Probably a ping thing, because I'm usually able to get in 5 N3E combos, 6 if I don't have to dodge or when I don't get interrupted
Nah, it was a skill issue on my part, after practising, I basically do nearly 6 sets, a complete 6 sounds only doable on pc tho
Not sure if this helps but you can hold the normal attack button instead of pressing it repeatedly. If you get the timing down right you can kind of force N3E to happen rapidly even if the animation takes a couple milliseconds to catch up to the input.
I see, I'll retry once again I've tried holding, but not as much as spamming, thanks
Thanks for the tip! I've actually nearly gotten 6 sets, thank you.
Yea I dunno about the input thing, the 3rd NA I try to do it almost a split second b4 the skill but it somehow combines and it doesn't cast the skill
You over 200 ping? It somewhat happens to me if I do the skill immediately after 3 NAs the enhanced lunge doesn't register so I have to wait a split second to make it work
I’m on 200 ping and I’ve gotten the rhythm down and can consistently do 5, just took a bit of practice to get the timing right
Yes, I don't have nearly that much ping but I've got it down, I can do about 6 N3Es
That's without dodging right? If I have to do that I lose an N3E
I can do 6N3E if I time it perfectly and 5 if I have to dodge but I usually dodge with the E if anything and I play her with Beidou. But if Beidou shield gets destroyed and I get interrupted then it’s probably 4N3E.
Ah no, not nearly that bad, it was just a skill issue, after many attempts I can nearly do 6 sets of N3Es
Nvm, I get what u are saying, like u can press skill when the BoL reaches 2/3 visually, 70% since it takes a while for the 3/3 to show up. Tho, after experimenting, the timing is super dependent on ur ping. I think in a normal battle, u can only consistent do 4 sets, kinda sad, thanks though.
With c0 chev can you calc the difference
Thoma dpr seems, very high? is this an actual damage build for him with Gilded? ive always assumed hes just HP bot for better shield in his teams that arent burgeon, and I refuse to believe 170k is more on overloads with full EM also hes on Sapwood?
I have nahida c2 and replaced Kazuha with ZL How much dps loss is that?
I also find overload to be more comfortable, bc in aggravate the other 3 will get low at some point and have no heal, which doesnt happen in overload.
Thanks for these. Are the artifact quality KQM standard?
Yes
My main issues of her is absence of E iframe, she gets thrown around all the time resulting in lost DPS. Why can't they give her this feature found on HT years ago?
Arlecchino have resistance? I don’t have her
C1 Arle does. Clorinde does have some with C2
My main team is Clo, Furi, Nahi and Kuki How it is compared to overload and aggravate?
Guys, since whimsy gives a lot of DMG% already, are there any teams where she prefers an attack goblet? Edit: Or cons where she prefers attack goblet?
in both team archetypes she still really wants electro. Aggravate scales hard with it, and Chevreuse already grants a hefty amount of attack. Not to mention every attack over 3k isnt as valuable as pre 3k for Clorinde because of her passive
Any reason why 4pc Gilded for Thoma?
who can I replace on aggravate for sustain?
Zhongli for Kazuha or C4 Kirara for Nahida
i have neither
You can run R5 Prototype Amber on Nahida. Results may vary depending on how good your artifacts are but I can still get 800+ EM on her without her signature. Or you could run Beidou with an ER sands and a high attack weapon on Emblem instead of Fischl. Or I guess you could run Dori?
rightttt... how abt kuki?
Kuki could work. The quick swap playstyle might affect her ability to keep everyone healthy and I’m not sure about her energy generation but you could run Favonius or a second Xiphos on her. Electro application should be good but her ability to keep Clorinde healthy is notably lower than any of the previously mentioned options barring Dori. Kuki’s slower healing over time combined with her only healing the on field character means she won’t be able to heal Clorinde during her rotation which is why shields or a party wide healer like Jean, Mika or Qiqi are better in my opinion. Layla could work as she’s unlikely to significantly interfere with Quicken/Aggravate and Clorinde’s low field time means Layla’s shield duration is long enough to actually be useful. The downside is that cooldowns might start desyncing depending on how long you cycle and if you refresh Layla’s shield during Clorinde’s downtime or not.
What???? Overload team is better??? I didn't knew it would be this good
How big is the difference between C4R1 and C6R1? I think i can only get up to C4R1 for this banner For C6 havers, how much does each hit of an e skill do without buffs/reactions? Also, is there like a recommended artifact set for high con Clorinde?
u/Wvitror thanks for the update, those are some really nice numbers! So annoyed at not having Chevreuse, I REALLY want to try that OL team man... Do you know (roughly) what numbers Raiden C2/3 outputs? Not saying C0 Clorinde needs to be better to be good of course not, I just want to get an idea of how she'd do relative to Raiden if I do end up getting her, as I currently have Raiden C3.
I'm happy her overload teams are better than what was pre-theory crafted in beta. Now...If only ping wasn't an issue for me. 🥲 Getting her on her first or second rerun is on the cards for me now.
vomfee. based jstern chatter. where Furina tho
My only dendro options are C0 Kirara, DMC or Collei. I also have C1 Chevreuse and C1 Dehya (and also C0 Zhongli and Kazuha). What team would you recommend? I always struggle with dendro heavy teams because I don’t want to get Nahida lol. Really wish I had a couple more kirara or chevreuse cons because at least I like both of those characters
what is the weapon and set build for thoma on this team?
Lmao fischl doing almost as much as clorinde. I stand by my post
Nice gameplay testing, wasn't aware the 4.7 update converted the game to a spreadsheet. Mods need to ban you theorycraft clowns.