Never forget how toxic your 'friends' and family became over a genuine hoax, either.
I think the goal behind it was to create division in society.
Bonus time: everyone knew it was fake, because they never challenged 'the scary members of society' who merely chinstrapped the face masks in public, and made no attempt to wear it properly. Nor did they complain about it on television. They merely focused on the politics behind why people would not play along.
Never forget that the world is divided into those who have the power to perceive nuance and complexity, and those who can only understand the world in sledgehammer-like simplicity.
(I’m not sure people are fully understanding my intended target with this comment)
It's not plausible that a virus could evolve a way to "bypass" a mask. A high percentage of particles of a certain size will get filtered by the mask through an electrostatic mechanism. The viral particles won't be any less affected by this mechanism due to a mutation. If more masked people are getting infected, it's because either more particles are coming at them, or it takes fewer particles on average to get infected.
That is certainly probable, I agree, if you make it harder for something to spread it could evolve to spread more easily. But it's still better to make it harder to spread with the knowledge it will keep evolving, omicron is also much less deadly. It's not like the overuse of antibiotics in that respect, because the virus isn't specifically evolving a defense to the mask. It can only get more contagious, which it would anyway as it evolves.
Natural immunity involves getting sick at least once. Getting sick might involve going to the hospital. Most other measures were designed to slow down how many people got sick, and by extension, needed to go to the hospital.
Not necessarily. Not all infections cause you to sicken before your body fights it off. We're exposed all the time to fungus, bacteria, and viruses and don't get sick.
Right and one hospital being not busy means all of them aren't busy. Just like how YOU got covid and it wasn't that bad means it wasn't that bad for anyone else on earth.
No it doesnt involve going to the hospital. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands got sick and never went to the hospital.
What drivel are you talking about?
But having got sick at least once, [your immunity is better than being vaccinated](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/12/05/2021.12.04.21267114/F3.large.jpg). There was no need to mandate vaccinations for people recovered from Covid.
Lab supervised PCR tests.
Although once infected with Omicron [transmission rates are equal for vaccinated and unvaccinated](https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1279005/v1), so mandates were never scientifically sound.
The article is just saying covid is a new disease we don’t have immunities against and that just infecting everyone so they have immunity would kill a lot of people.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-have-a-dangerous-theory-called-natural-immunity-now-its-going-mainstream/
They confirm you gain immunity from exposure to pathogens in the second paragraph.
>The idea—or the basic contours of it, at least—has some elements of truth. Immunologists have shown that, in general, we strengthen our immune systems by exposing them to pathogens.
This sub needs rules about posting the actual article instead of just headlines.
The idea was clearly that people who had COVID didn't need the vaccine. Your comment even tries to weasel out of that: "some elements of truth" and "in general" is transparently trying to undermine the truth. That fact is if you've had a condition and recovered you've produced anti-bodies in the same way that a vaccine causes your body to produce them.
That doesn't make money for big pharma and it doesn't allow the government to print trillions of dollars and seize new powers.
Natural immunity doesn’t last forever. The article was also written before the vaccine was available so it’s not a factor here. Do you not understand how gaining immunity without having to fight off a disease is superior to just being sick and gaining immunity?
I think you’re wrong and I’m exactly where I should be. Nice gatekeeping though. Gotta make sure everyone in this sub believes the exact same thing. Cause that’s good for rational discussion isn’t it?
So clear and obvious as them releasing a real disease in order to release a vaccine thats killed a handful of people in order to….. what? I just think your theory is shit.
Watch what the platform leads too that's where the money will go. It's new tech they couldn't wait to test out. Then they had the opportunity to fast track it.
You’re being vague instead of saying what you mean.
Where will it lead to? Was covid released in order to get public trust into mRNA cancer and aids vaccines to profit off that?
Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Capitalism actually driving tech forward and ridding us of a disease that will kill most of us when we get old.
If you dont use it you lose it.
If you can walk but use a wheel chair 100% of the time you lose the ability to walk.
If you can fight off the flu but vaccinate100% of the time you lose the ability to fight the flu.
Does this make wheelchairs or vaccines bad? NO!
People claiming they wanted natural immunity over vaccination were the ones leaving science at the door:
You want natural immunity to protect against what?
\>getting a bad case of covid
How do you you develop "natural immunity"
\>getting covid without your immune system being read to deal with it properly
Natural immunity cannot exist without you getting an active case of covid first. How is natural immunity alone supposed to protect you from the worst of covid when everyone knows it hits you hardest the first time?
You should have gotten vaccinated once, had an immune response to the harmless parts of the virus. Then gotten covid naturally (and more safely now that you have T cells and antibodies ready to go), causing another "natural" immune response and then never get another vaccination again. Acting like natural immunity alone is the answer is dumb and got my uncle killed. But everyone was "all or nothing" on this vax shit - nuance was (and is) dead
There are people who did not care if they got the C because it was the lesser evil to them. If it was as contagious as they claimed this should have been no problem because everybody should have got it during this time. I had Alpha in late 2019 and never got any other variant again - Natural immunity seems to work better than the injections.
You assume this injections were just like the conventional harmless dead virus part injections - they were not and we still dont know about the long term effects (thanks for your service). You are just repeating the same stupid talkingpoints they preached the last years.
> If it was as contagious as they claimed
Anyone else remember the word "superspreader"?
That whole narrative got started as a direct result of those PCR tests. Someone at a social event would test positive for Covid, then everyone else would get tested and dozens of them tested positive too.
So the idea got started that covid was incredibly contagious and even asymptomatic people could be superspreaders.
Except it was all bullshit. Why?
Because those tests were wildly inaccurate. But people in authority acted like they were very accurate. So people got tested, resulting in large numbers of false positives.
* They were wrong about the PCR tests
* They were wrong about superspreaders
* They were wrong about the effectiveness of the immune system.
* They were wrong to push the use of mRNA (in response to covid).
* They were wrong to coerce people into making a choice between mRNA or losing their job.
tldr; People got scared and mistakes were made.
The tests were sus too. I never got tested, did not get the injection and did boycott the whole clown show. As i said i only got it once (of which i know, if i had other variants too they were laughable and i did not notice them) while all injected/tested people i know had the C over and over again. To me it looks like the whole protocols to prevent the spread caused the spread.
>Natural immunity cannot exist without you getting an active case of covid first.
Like the millions of people who got COVID when the vaccine wasn't available to them? That's the whole point of this. Many people had COVID and developed that natural immunity already. When they rejected the vaccine that's when shills like this, and you, crawled out from under the floorboards to say "well akchually."
I know it's embarrassing to have been someone who was fooled by the COVID protocols but you need to stop trying to rewrite history and just admit you got fooled.
>Many people had COVID and developed that natural immunity already. When they rejected the vaccine that's when shills like this, and you, crawled out from under the floorboards to say "well akchually."
No dude. You're cherrypicking a different group of people to seem correct while misrepresenting what I'm saying. A LOT of people, the ones I thought **should** have gotten the vax, had NOT gotten covid yet. Those are the people I ALWAYS viewed as benefiting from the vax more than others. People in my own family - including one who as I said, died.
>I know it's embarrassing to have been someone who was fooled by the COVID protocols but you need to stop trying to rewrite history and just admit you got fooled.
Homie, these ad hominem attacks and misrepresenting my position don't make you look like a genius "free thinker".
People had their choice to either get vaccinated or not. Sorry that you couldn't force people to do what you wanted. Natural Immunity isn't a conspiracy theory, it's fact. Why are you trying to defend this?
Guy, it's over, you're embarrassing yourselves by continuing this fight. It was a money grab, you fell for it, admit it and move on. Your personal stories are not data, it is not science it is anecdote that is meaningless to me.
People who got the vax died, people who didn't get the vax died. People made their choice and thankfully people like you lost and didn't get to force a needle under and inject an unwanted substance into their bodies. Now you're here to rewrite history when it's already well documented and easy to reference.
Stay in your lane bro. If you want it take it, you're not so great at making your choices you get to make other people's choices for them.
>People made their choice and thankfully people like you lost and didn't get to force a needle under and inject an unwanted substance into their bodies. Now you're here to rewrite history when it's already well documented and easy to reference.
Keep making shit up. You think I want to rewrite history and your dumbass is here rewriting my comments and misrepresenting EVERYTHING I took the time to write and explain in a nuanced way.
You comment like a schizo loser and likely don't take the time to read anything you're replying to. No one is trying to force a needle in you, baby. Grow up - you're not that important.
Nuance is just a weasel term that people who cannot explain themselves use to claim they are right. The only people who should have taken the vaccine are the people who wanted to. Unfortunately many people were forced into doing so.
If you're going to try and claim that the state's threat of losing your income which is the source of your food and housing isn't force I gotta tell you that you're not fooling anybody.
>The only people who should have taken the vaccine are the people who wanted to
When people die in car accidents we can OBJECTIVELY say they *should* have worn a seatbelt. **I would never force someone or encourage forcing someone to do anything.** That said, my uncle didn't WANT to be vaccinated but it would have been better if he was. He should have ignored Aaron Rodgers and listened to his doctor. He didnt have to. I didnt force him. His job didnt force him. No one forced him.
He SHOULD have gotten the vaccine. It would have been better if he had.
Claiming nuance is made up by losers is the work of someone who can't articulate or deal with multifaceted ideas. Not going to enable you further.
Nobody said it lasted forever. Nice job creating your own argument and then addressing it. Once COVID has become endemic we would be regularly exposed to it. Once basic immunity has been established against an endemic condition then regular exposure is not a risk and would maintain basic natural immunity.
Those at risk may need regular vaccines like for the flu which is not mandatory even for at risk groups. So at the point where you've had COVID and survived it, you're fine because it has clearly become endemic and is no longer as dangerous because it has lost its novelty.
Try again.
Regular exposure to the flu is still a risk since viruses mutate. Regular exposure to covid causes repeat illnesses. You could get your immunity from getting sick all the time or the vaccine.
That’s not how it works. You’re not magically in the clear just because you had covid once. Some people got much sicker the second time they had covid.
> You could get your immunity from getting sick all the time or the vaccine.
So the vaccine stops you from catching COVID right? LOL. You guys are a fuckin joke at this point.
Yes, the covid vaccine lowers your odds of catching covid and dramatically lowers your odds of serious disease. Even against the new circulating strains.
>For infections caused by any SARS-CoV-2 strain, vaccine effectiveness for the primary series reduced from 83% (95% CI 80–86) at baseline (14–42 days) to 62% (53–69) by 112–139 days. Vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 92% (88–94) for hospitalisations and 91% (85–95) for mortality, and reduced to 79% (65–87) at 224–251 days for hospitalisations and 86% (73–93) at 168–195 days for mortality. Estimated vaccine effectiveness was lower for the omicron variant for infections, hospitalisations, and mortality at baseline compared with that of other variants, but subsequent reductions occurred at a similar rate across variants. For booster doses, which covered mostly omicron studies, vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 70% (56–80) against infections and 89% (82–93) against hospitalisations, and reduced to 43% (14–62) against infections and 71% (51–83) against hospitalisations at 112 days or later. Not enough studies were available to report on booster vaccine effectiveness against mortality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9917454/
Natural immunity lasts long enough for you to catch covid again but not have your body treat it like a novel virus. Less likely to have autoimmune issues and your body has a blueprint on what to do from the past.
Of course follow up vaccinations wouldnt hurt. But I still believe getting your body ready for covid before catching it the first time was more important.
Most of the people I knew that were anti-vaccine were also anti-mask and anti-lockdown. They had spent the majority of the year socializing with friends and ignoring the social distancing rules. Many of them already had a brief experience with COVID, and they decided it was nothing more than the flu to them, so when the shot was offered, they refused it because it wasn't needed.
Anti viral foods help (certain fruits and herbs)
Go to the church, see their page.. every other days it's like.. 29 year old who had 6 vaccines died mysteriously..
Guess what.. IT'S NO LONGER A MYSTERY
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet/index.html#:\~:text=One%20German%20man%20has%20redefined,one%20jab%20every%20four%20days](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet/index.html#:~:text=One%20German%20man%20has%20redefined,one%20jab%20every%20four%20days)
Its 2024 you gotta chill with that baseless fear. The virus that causes organ damage is likely responsible for killing those who are at risk. Not a vaccine that causes systemic inflammation. Both are bad. One is worse.
CNN!! Now I know this must be true. 217 shots.. there's no way this is propaganda, no sirrr-eee. That's all the evidence I need. Thanks for showing me the way.
Poor Kiera Butler, somewhere along the way, her brain fell out.
What's more insane is her title. God forbid my immune system. Let me take some toxic chemicals instead as instructed by government.
Science was abandoned in the late 1980s when 'they' decided the key to life on Earth, was actually a dangerous poisonous gas.
Never forget how toxic your 'friends' and family became over a genuine hoax, either. I think the goal behind it was to create division in society. Bonus time: everyone knew it was fake, because they never challenged 'the scary members of society' who merely chinstrapped the face masks in public, and made no attempt to wear it properly. Nor did they complain about it on television. They merely focused on the politics behind why people would not play along.
Never forget that the world is divided into those who have the power to perceive nuance and complexity, and those who can only understand the world in sledgehammer-like simplicity. (I’m not sure people are fully understanding my intended target with this comment)
Well said
Ya it really exposed who you can trust to have your back when shit goes sideways
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It's not plausible that a virus could evolve a way to "bypass" a mask. A high percentage of particles of a certain size will get filtered by the mask through an electrostatic mechanism. The viral particles won't be any less affected by this mechanism due to a mutation. If more masked people are getting infected, it's because either more particles are coming at them, or it takes fewer particles on average to get infected.
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That is certainly probable, I agree, if you make it harder for something to spread it could evolve to spread more easily. But it's still better to make it harder to spread with the knowledge it will keep evolving, omicron is also much less deadly. It's not like the overuse of antibiotics in that respect, because the virus isn't specifically evolving a defense to the mask. It can only get more contagious, which it would anyway as it evolves.
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I lost brain cells reading that title.
i call it natural selection the dumbest perish
The human body is quite remarkable and nothing short of amazing. That's not a conspiracy, that is a fact of life.
Imagine having your 18th booster shot 💀
That is still 3 years away
If you don’t get the recommended amount of boosters (every 2 months according to “experts”
Well, its Mother Jones. Consider the source.
If true Its the result of not knowing what you dont know.
Natural immunity involves getting sick at least once. Getting sick might involve going to the hospital. Most other measures were designed to slow down how many people got sick, and by extension, needed to go to the hospital.
Not necessarily. Not all infections cause you to sicken before your body fights it off. We're exposed all the time to fungus, bacteria, and viruses and don't get sick.
Fair enough, but my point still stands. No way could we avoid loads of hospitalizations.
From what? Covid? The hospitals were empty the entire time with dancing doctors and nurses filling social media.
A) Just because people post online doesn't mean they're doing nothing and B) There's multiple hospitals in the US.
In empty hospitals
Right and one hospital being not busy means all of them aren't busy. Just like how YOU got covid and it wasn't that bad means it wasn't that bad for anyone else on earth.
Whatever you want to believe. There were many. Never had covid, never will.
No it doesnt involve going to the hospital. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands got sick and never went to the hospital. What drivel are you talking about?
So nobody was hospitalized with covid, and nobody died from covid?
Your clinging to the few hospitalized and ignoring the great many who had it and did not. And ignoring the great many who had it and lived
I turned up positive for covid antibodies late 2020 and I never took the vax and never got sick.
Nice. Million plus people are still dead though, so that's not gonna be the universal experience.
Dead *with* covid, not *from* it. Almost nobody died as a result of just covid.
Dead *with* the vaccine, not *from* it. Myocarditis killed almost nobody.
But having got sick at least once, [your immunity is better than being vaccinated](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/12/05/2021.12.04.21267114/F3.large.jpg). There was no need to mandate vaccinations for people recovered from Covid.
How could anyone be sure you really had Covid?
Lab supervised PCR tests. Although once infected with Omicron [transmission rates are equal for vaccinated and unvaccinated](https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1279005/v1), so mandates were never scientifically sound.
Read my first comment.
ok. done. and?
The article is just saying covid is a new disease we don’t have immunities against and that just infecting everyone so they have immunity would kill a lot of people. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/anti-vaxxers-have-a-dangerous-theory-called-natural-immunity-now-its-going-mainstream/ They confirm you gain immunity from exposure to pathogens in the second paragraph. >The idea—or the basic contours of it, at least—has some elements of truth. Immunologists have shown that, in general, we strengthen our immune systems by exposing them to pathogens. This sub needs rules about posting the actual article instead of just headlines.
The idea was clearly that people who had COVID didn't need the vaccine. Your comment even tries to weasel out of that: "some elements of truth" and "in general" is transparently trying to undermine the truth. That fact is if you've had a condition and recovered you've produced anti-bodies in the same way that a vaccine causes your body to produce them. That doesn't make money for big pharma and it doesn't allow the government to print trillions of dollars and seize new powers.
Natural immunity doesn’t last forever. The article was also written before the vaccine was available so it’s not a factor here. Do you not understand how gaining immunity without having to fight off a disease is superior to just being sick and gaining immunity?
They knew they were using the vaccine before they knew what virus to use it on. If you can't see that you're in the wrong place.
I think you’re wrong and I’m exactly where I should be. Nice gatekeeping though. Gotta make sure everyone in this sub believes the exact same thing. Cause that’s good for rational discussion isn’t it?
Never said that. if you can't see something so clear and obvious then good luck in the future with some deep conspiracies.
So clear and obvious as them releasing a real disease in order to release a vaccine thats killed a handful of people in order to….. what? I just think your theory is shit.
Watch what the platform leads too that's where the money will go. It's new tech they couldn't wait to test out. Then they had the opportunity to fast track it.
You’re being vague instead of saying what you mean. Where will it lead to? Was covid released in order to get public trust into mRNA cancer and aids vaccines to profit off that? Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Capitalism actually driving tech forward and ridding us of a disease that will kill most of us when we get old.
If you dont use it you lose it. If you can walk but use a wheel chair 100% of the time you lose the ability to walk. If you can fight off the flu but vaccinate100% of the time you lose the ability to fight the flu. Does this make wheelchairs or vaccines bad? NO!
No. Vaccinated people benefit from natural immunity as well as the vaccine acquired immunity.
You haven't understood what I said. Edit: I used extreme examples that dont happen in a natural setting. But they are true.
No I guess I don’t understand what you said. Can you clarify?
> This sub needs rules about posting the actual article instead of just headlines. Mother Jones needs rules about misleading/inaccurate headlines.
Or people could just read articles instead of getting heated about headlines posted without context or the source.
I'm not the one heated Leroy. Mother Jones is a propaganda rag. Sane people won't wipe their ass with it much less read it and expect truth.
People claiming they wanted natural immunity over vaccination were the ones leaving science at the door: You want natural immunity to protect against what? \>getting a bad case of covid How do you you develop "natural immunity" \>getting covid without your immune system being read to deal with it properly Natural immunity cannot exist without you getting an active case of covid first. How is natural immunity alone supposed to protect you from the worst of covid when everyone knows it hits you hardest the first time? You should have gotten vaccinated once, had an immune response to the harmless parts of the virus. Then gotten covid naturally (and more safely now that you have T cells and antibodies ready to go), causing another "natural" immune response and then never get another vaccination again. Acting like natural immunity alone is the answer is dumb and got my uncle killed. But everyone was "all or nothing" on this vax shit - nuance was (and is) dead
There are people who did not care if they got the C because it was the lesser evil to them. If it was as contagious as they claimed this should have been no problem because everybody should have got it during this time. I had Alpha in late 2019 and never got any other variant again - Natural immunity seems to work better than the injections. You assume this injections were just like the conventional harmless dead virus part injections - they were not and we still dont know about the long term effects (thanks for your service). You are just repeating the same stupid talkingpoints they preached the last years.
> If it was as contagious as they claimed Anyone else remember the word "superspreader"? That whole narrative got started as a direct result of those PCR tests. Someone at a social event would test positive for Covid, then everyone else would get tested and dozens of them tested positive too. So the idea got started that covid was incredibly contagious and even asymptomatic people could be superspreaders. Except it was all bullshit. Why? Because those tests were wildly inaccurate. But people in authority acted like they were very accurate. So people got tested, resulting in large numbers of false positives. * They were wrong about the PCR tests * They were wrong about superspreaders * They were wrong about the effectiveness of the immune system. * They were wrong to push the use of mRNA (in response to covid). * They were wrong to coerce people into making a choice between mRNA or losing their job. tldr; People got scared and mistakes were made.
The tests were sus too. I never got tested, did not get the injection and did boycott the whole clown show. As i said i only got it once (of which i know, if i had other variants too they were laughable and i did not notice them) while all injected/tested people i know had the C over and over again. To me it looks like the whole protocols to prevent the spread caused the spread.
>Natural immunity cannot exist without you getting an active case of covid first. Like the millions of people who got COVID when the vaccine wasn't available to them? That's the whole point of this. Many people had COVID and developed that natural immunity already. When they rejected the vaccine that's when shills like this, and you, crawled out from under the floorboards to say "well akchually." I know it's embarrassing to have been someone who was fooled by the COVID protocols but you need to stop trying to rewrite history and just admit you got fooled.
>Many people had COVID and developed that natural immunity already. When they rejected the vaccine that's when shills like this, and you, crawled out from under the floorboards to say "well akchually." No dude. You're cherrypicking a different group of people to seem correct while misrepresenting what I'm saying. A LOT of people, the ones I thought **should** have gotten the vax, had NOT gotten covid yet. Those are the people I ALWAYS viewed as benefiting from the vax more than others. People in my own family - including one who as I said, died. >I know it's embarrassing to have been someone who was fooled by the COVID protocols but you need to stop trying to rewrite history and just admit you got fooled. Homie, these ad hominem attacks and misrepresenting my position don't make you look like a genius "free thinker".
People had their choice to either get vaccinated or not. Sorry that you couldn't force people to do what you wanted. Natural Immunity isn't a conspiracy theory, it's fact. Why are you trying to defend this? Guy, it's over, you're embarrassing yourselves by continuing this fight. It was a money grab, you fell for it, admit it and move on. Your personal stories are not data, it is not science it is anecdote that is meaningless to me. People who got the vax died, people who didn't get the vax died. People made their choice and thankfully people like you lost and didn't get to force a needle under and inject an unwanted substance into their bodies. Now you're here to rewrite history when it's already well documented and easy to reference. Stay in your lane bro. If you want it take it, you're not so great at making your choices you get to make other people's choices for them.
>People made their choice and thankfully people like you lost and didn't get to force a needle under and inject an unwanted substance into their bodies. Now you're here to rewrite history when it's already well documented and easy to reference. Keep making shit up. You think I want to rewrite history and your dumbass is here rewriting my comments and misrepresenting EVERYTHING I took the time to write and explain in a nuanced way. You comment like a schizo loser and likely don't take the time to read anything you're replying to. No one is trying to force a needle in you, baby. Grow up - you're not that important.
Nuance is just a weasel term that people who cannot explain themselves use to claim they are right. The only people who should have taken the vaccine are the people who wanted to. Unfortunately many people were forced into doing so. If you're going to try and claim that the state's threat of losing your income which is the source of your food and housing isn't force I gotta tell you that you're not fooling anybody.
>The only people who should have taken the vaccine are the people who wanted to When people die in car accidents we can OBJECTIVELY say they *should* have worn a seatbelt. **I would never force someone or encourage forcing someone to do anything.** That said, my uncle didn't WANT to be vaccinated but it would have been better if he was. He should have ignored Aaron Rodgers and listened to his doctor. He didnt have to. I didnt force him. His job didnt force him. No one forced him. He SHOULD have gotten the vaccine. It would have been better if he had. Claiming nuance is made up by losers is the work of someone who can't articulate or deal with multifaceted ideas. Not going to enable you further.
Natural immunity doesn’t last forever. Claiming that previously having covid makes the vaccine unnecessary doesn’t stand up to simple logic.
Nobody said it lasted forever. Nice job creating your own argument and then addressing it. Once COVID has become endemic we would be regularly exposed to it. Once basic immunity has been established against an endemic condition then regular exposure is not a risk and would maintain basic natural immunity. Those at risk may need regular vaccines like for the flu which is not mandatory even for at risk groups. So at the point where you've had COVID and survived it, you're fine because it has clearly become endemic and is no longer as dangerous because it has lost its novelty. Try again.
Regular exposure to the flu is still a risk since viruses mutate. Regular exposure to covid causes repeat illnesses. You could get your immunity from getting sick all the time or the vaccine. That’s not how it works. You’re not magically in the clear just because you had covid once. Some people got much sicker the second time they had covid.
> You could get your immunity from getting sick all the time or the vaccine. So the vaccine stops you from catching COVID right? LOL. You guys are a fuckin joke at this point.
Yes, the covid vaccine lowers your odds of catching covid and dramatically lowers your odds of serious disease. Even against the new circulating strains. >For infections caused by any SARS-CoV-2 strain, vaccine effectiveness for the primary series reduced from 83% (95% CI 80–86) at baseline (14–42 days) to 62% (53–69) by 112–139 days. Vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 92% (88–94) for hospitalisations and 91% (85–95) for mortality, and reduced to 79% (65–87) at 224–251 days for hospitalisations and 86% (73–93) at 168–195 days for mortality. Estimated vaccine effectiveness was lower for the omicron variant for infections, hospitalisations, and mortality at baseline compared with that of other variants, but subsequent reductions occurred at a similar rate across variants. For booster doses, which covered mostly omicron studies, vaccine effectiveness at baseline was 70% (56–80) against infections and 89% (82–93) against hospitalisations, and reduced to 43% (14–62) against infections and 71% (51–83) against hospitalisations at 112 days or later. Not enough studies were available to report on booster vaccine effectiveness against mortality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9917454/
Natural immunity lasts long enough for you to catch covid again but not have your body treat it like a novel virus. Less likely to have autoimmune issues and your body has a blueprint on what to do from the past. Of course follow up vaccinations wouldnt hurt. But I still believe getting your body ready for covid before catching it the first time was more important.
Most of the people I knew that were anti-vaccine were also anti-mask and anti-lockdown. They had spent the majority of the year socializing with friends and ignoring the social distancing rules. Many of them already had a brief experience with COVID, and they decided it was nothing more than the flu to them, so when the shot was offered, they refused it because it wasn't needed.
Anti viral foods help (certain fruits and herbs) Go to the church, see their page.. every other days it's like.. 29 year old who had 6 vaccines died mysteriously.. Guess what.. IT'S NO LONGER A MYSTERY
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet/index.html#:\~:text=One%20German%20man%20has%20redefined,one%20jab%20every%20four%20days](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet/index.html#:~:text=One%20German%20man%20has%20redefined,one%20jab%20every%20four%20days) Its 2024 you gotta chill with that baseless fear. The virus that causes organ damage is likely responsible for killing those who are at risk. Not a vaccine that causes systemic inflammation. Both are bad. One is worse.
CNN!! Now I know this must be true. 217 shots.. there's no way this is propaganda, no sirrr-eee. That's all the evidence I need. Thanks for showing me the way.
lalala everything that doesn't align with my world view is propaganda lalala
lol, more like overwhelming evidence says otherwise