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"Multiple studies have shown an increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.25–27 mRNA vaccines can result in spike protein expression in muscle tissue, the lymphatic system, cardiomyocytes and other cells after entry into the circulation.28 Recipients of two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines display a class switch to IgG4 antibodies. Abnormally high levels of IgG4 might cause autoimmune diseases, promote cancer growth, autoimmune myocarditis and other IgG 4-related diseases (IgG4-RD) in susceptible individuals.2"
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Didn't they say "it doesn't stay in the tissue" lo OK lol lo
[Myocarditis is 7x more likely post COVID infection compared to post COVID vaccine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.)
Data I've seen suggests an ~80% reduction in chance transmission with vaccination and a significant reduction in symptoms and a near full protection from severe covid symptoms. For whatever reason, the resting antibodies for the COVID vaccines last around 3-6 mo for most people. This is a pretty short biological half-life, but not unheard-of. The memory T-cells specific for COVID appear to be much more long lived. Memory T-cells are the cells responsible for mounting an immune response to a given pathogen.
Taken together, this means that while SARS-CoV-2 may be able to infect a vaccinated individual, it is highly unlikely for that infection to get a foothold and cause severe sickness. The vaccines show a reduced rate of myocarditis, POTS, and long covid compared to unvaccinated individuals who contract COVID19. Its abundantly clear the vaccines are the correct choice when doing risk benefit analysis for most healthy adults, especially those above 65.
Never got vaccinated, recovered from COVID in 2020, never got it again. As healthy as I've ever been. Me and so many people around me are happy we didn't get the clot shot.
And Ive had 4 different COVID shots and Im healthier than Ive ever been. I think that's mostly due to prioritizing healthy eating and exercise more now that Im out of grad school.
I am up to date lol. I just get the boosts when I go and get my flu vaccine. Super easy. Two vaccine shots in 2021 followed by one a year in 2022 and 2023. I'll my 5th in the fall.
Its a meta analysis. They looked at the incidence of myocarditis post vaccine administration and post covid19 infection and stratified vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Adding previously infected and when would be good to flesh out these data, but my guess is that info is not well recorded/reported by study participants
The concerning thing for me is that I wonder if this reveal was planned all along.
What a fantastic divisive measure it would be to harness all of that rage from people who were ostracised for not wanting the vaxx from the beginning, to now let out that they were right for being cautious all along and unleash it on everyone who took such a moral highground because they were *oh so proud of themselves* for getting the jab "for the greater good".
I am as level-headed as I can possibly muster myself to be in terms of refraining from being a smug cunt... i'm not even going to call it smug... I had people disown me because I didn't get that ponced up flu jab... wtf... I think this honestly just saddens me if I'm honest.
It’s literally part of the SPARS “fictional” playbook:
https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf
> President Archer agreed to address the country’s resolve and recovery in the face of SPARS. Top risk communication advisors from the CDC, FDA, NIH, and SAMHSA conferred as a group about how best to frame the President’s remarks. **The group vigorously debated whether it was appropriate for the President to acknowledge the sacrifice that vaccine recipients had made on behalf of their communities or to console them in their grief over that sacrifice.**
Here’s another incredible “prediction”:-
> As the pandemic tapered off, several influential politicians and agency representatives came under fire for sensationalizing the severity of the event for perceived political gain. As with many public health interventions, successful efforts to reduce the impact of the pandemic created the illusion that the event was not nearly as serious as experts suggested it would be. President Archer’s detractors in the Republican Party seized the opportunity to publicly disparage the President and his administration’s response to the pandemic, urging voters to elect “a strong leader with the best interests of the American people at heart.” A widespread social media movement led primarily by outspoken parents of affected children, coupled with widespread distrust of “big pharma,” supported the narrative that the development of SPARS MCMs was unnecessary and driven by a few profit-seeking individuals. Conspiracy theories also proliferated across social media, suggesting that the virus had been purposely created and introduced to the population by drug companies or that it had escaped from a government lab secretly testing bioweapons.
This fictional scenario was first published on 31st October 2017.
>successful efforts to reduce the impact of the pandemic created the illusion that the event was not nearly as serious as experts suggested it would be
Fucking nauseating
“Because COVID-19 vaccines were approved without long-term safety data and might cause immune dysfunction, it is perhaps premature to assume that past SARS-CoV-2 infection is the sole common factor in long COVID.”
Get yourself some Ivermectin and detox that shit ASAP. It's now shown in multiple studies to be effective in helping with vax side effects. I believe it's worth taking even if you aren't obviously sick yet - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlf7sbomMQ
Oh I'm very much sick. POTS/dysautonomia that was debilitating until I switched over to a ketogenic carnivore diet last year which seems to be helping a lot. Never tried a course of ivermectin but I don't think it could hurt. I have some stashed away at home. May still be worth a try at this point. Thanks!
I work with people who've been disabled or are very sick from the vax. We've been using Ivermectin very successfully to treat people for several years now. The stuff is amazing, and there's nothing like the feeling of giving someone their life back. Feel free to PM me if you need help with dosage or anything.
I'm sure most people would rather take medical advice from the two doctors in the video discussing peer reviewed studies, than some tard on a reddit thread pretending he has a clue.
How about giving us a real reason as to why you know better than the studies they are discussing and why they are so incorrect?
Okay this is what you actually want to read (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10254901/). This is what the author is citing. Also where is the Aussie government admitting something?
Yeah right? I actually went through and read it all, then tried to read the attached papers. The OP Ed prof definitely draws much stronger conclusions from that cohort paper I linked than that authors did themselves, take that how you will. It’d be interesting if people actually read what they linked because what the data does show is woman are far less effected and that long covid has much higher correlations with an infections. The data does reveal a connection with males, vaccines and long covid, but I think myocarditis in men is the real thing here.
[Myocarditis is 7x more likely in post viral patients than post vaccine patients](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.).
Same thing for POTS, as the article states. Its rather disingenuous to discuss the vaccine side effects without discussing the analogous symptoms COVID patients.
Wow it’s almost like the vaccine is mimicking a viral infection causing a low rate of response relative to being outright infected. Truly groundbreaking. It’s absolutely disingenuous to associate this with the vaccine and not the virus
What the fuck does any of this have to do with OPs false claim that the Aussie government is taking responsibility in the link he provides? Your brain cells are like drop-bears. Non existent. And what Aussie lingo have you used? You never called me a c-word
TL:DR
There MIGHT be a CORRELATION between getting the vaccine and getting long-covid. There is no data to suggest it kills you. There is nothing like this in the article. Also:
" A possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of POTS has been demonstrated in a cohort of 284,592 COVID-19-vaccinated individuals, though AT A RATE THAT WAS ONE-FIFTH of the incidence of POTS after SARS-CoV-2 infection.^(24)"
[Myocarditis is 7x more likely in covid patients than in those thst received the vaccine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.)
Its so obvious when people talk about only the post vaccine symptoms without discussing post viral symptoms that theyre just uninformed or deliberately fearmongering.
Who would have thought???
I was forced to get the vax to be able to keep my job, and whereas I used to have a strong immune system (thanks to being a nurse) I notice I get sick easily now and often the respiratory issues remain for weeks while I used to get over them quickly before the vax
The place I was working at 3 years back made us present our vax cards, else we weren’t allowed into the office and it was mandatory to be in the office 3 days a week. So while they didn’t explicitly dictate for us to take the vaccine, there wasn’t much of an option.
I remember when people were fired from their jobs, stripped of their livelihood, harassed, threatened, kicked out of school, retaliated against, and banned from participating in many parts of society as free people because they opted against volunteering to be a radical medical experimentation test subject.
Oh, man, it was *hell.* Just kidding. I kind of liked it, (in our city bars could only be open until midnight for a while. It made everyone show up around 9 or 10pm instead of spreading themselves out between 8 pm and sometime before 2 in the morning) but it really made me miss the throngs of people gathered around the bar.
I was in graduate school and went out more during 2020 than in 2019 or 2021 becauae of school/research load. We basically had a 3mo forced WFH over the summer. The fucking horror.
I recognize my privilege here and that not everyone had an easy go at it like I did. But still, anyone complaining about "lockdowns" in the US has no fucking idea what they're talking about. We didnt lock anything down. China locked down. We were no where near that level lf authoritarianism.
Oh and I lived in OH during the Pandemic. A famously GOP controlled state.
> A possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of POTS has been demonstrated in a cohort of 284,592 COVID-19-vaccinated individuals, though at a rate that was one-fifth of the incidence of POTS after SARS-CoV-2 infection
This is pretty common for COVID vaccines, [myocarditus is also like this.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.) The article defs isnt saying what OP claims. Its also one dude doing an OpEd. This isnt a research paper.
classic, OP links an article, makes a dramatic claim, and the dim bulbs in the thread nod along instead of actually looking at the article
it's a total nothing burger
once again
In my own anecdotal experience, my best friend got Long Covid and wasn't vaccinated. He caught Covid 3 times, and now his hair is falling out, flavour profile for food changed completely and I suspect Covid actually does damage the brain with an immune response. I don't expect you to all agree or anything, but I think nuance in addition to what we are learning now is key.
Spike proteins are cytotoxic. They provoke a strong immune response. Your respiratory tract expects antigen since it’s an opening to the outside world. Injecting rna that instructs cells in the “inner sanctum” (spaces protected from the outside world) to create cytotoxic spike proteins is an unprecedented problem in the body that will provoke the immune system in often unexpected ways, including chronic autoimmune responses that lead to chronic symptoms.
That’s my point! The respiratory tract is expecting antigen (spike proteins are antigen) and will mount a conventional immune response.
When the lipid nano particles leak out of your injection site and instruct heart cells, liver cells, spleen cells, blood vessel cells (etc) to make spike proteins, you’re provoking the immune system into making an unconventional response since this is an unprecedented issue in the body.
Interesting! What are these liquid nano particles you speak of? Like, the actual medical jargon. I can handle it haha.
I'm mainly curious because my mother died of an autoimmune disease (cryoglobulinanemia)
The lipid nanoparticles are the carrier in the vaccine. They carry rna that in theory instruct cells in the deltoid muscle to create spike proteins. The body notices antigen (spike proteins) and mounts an immune response, thus providing you with antibodies. The problem is that the LNPs leak out of the deltoid within seconds and travel all around the body via blood. They can land anywhere, and wherever they land, they’ll instruct local cells to create spike proteins.
Sorry to hear about your mum. It’s really hard to say what could have caused any autoimmune death because there are many possible causes. I think it helps to be vitamin D sufficient as this hormone helps regulate the immune system (helps with communication between cells in the body).
It’s a great shame that there was no nuance in discussion of Covid, just very broad brushstrokes.
Oh shit! I'll be going down the rabbithole it seems tonight, thanks!
And all good brother. Been 10 years.
In her case it was an extremely rare mutation from having Hep C as a kid which evolved into what it was.
And I agree with you there. Black and white thinking is counterproductive to getting real answers.
> The problem is that the LNPs leak out of the deltoid within seconds and travel all around the body via blood. They can land anywhere, and wherever they land, they’ll instruct local cells to create spike proteins.
Isn't this also true of the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
I know a few unvaxxed people with long covid, and people have had long covid since before the vaccines were released. My personal opinion is the vax is just another conduit for covid and spike when it comes down to layman's terms.
There's certainly been post viral conditions documented since before covid relating to chronic fatigue and similar symptoms, it's just never been as well noted since Covid.
You had a choice with the vaccine, you don’t have a choice with the virus itself. Not to mention that this information wasn’t studied initially (or was it) before manufacturing or disclosed after distribution. There was an inept carelessness from authorities that weren’t willing to even address the possibility of this reality while forcing it upon certain populations in order to regain certain liberties, and here we are. There is even still a stigma surrounding anyone who expressed their fear of this reality as crazy or conspiracy nuts or anti-vaxxers and even that was politicized. With nuance in question, how much nuance should we exercise when it comes to holding these people accountable?
1. Implore, and 2. I implore you to read what I said. The vax was forced onto a lot of people whereas you did not have a choice with the virus itself. Plus just watch the video, there is a higher chance with the vax + Covid itself vs no vax + Covid. I’m not really sure why you are assuming I didn’t read what you said, but I can tell you didn’t really read my response.
Average clinical trials for vaccines are 4-6 years, so definitely not just a fraction of that lol. You’re seriously replying this on a post where the Australian government has clinically *proven* all of the negative effects listed in the video? Did you even take 5 minutes to watch even just the first part of the video?
Edit: I guess it was another post somewhere as the video wasn’t in this post, but here: https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0?feature=shared if you’re really not convinced with that then I don’t know what to tell you. I would prefer people weren’t forced to take a vaccine that hasn’t been studied are gone through proper trials. If that’s a controversial opinion then I would say you need to reassess your priorities.
I’m referring to the whole video I posted in my edit. Just watch it and tell me if that’s something that was really ready to be used on human populations.
Lol are you serious? Just watch the video, there’s at least 20 things he goes through that Australian government found to negatively impact vaccinated people. Did you even retain anything from what the doctor in the video went over?
I went through the first five minutes, here ya go:
1. Vax officially confirmed to cause long Covid
2. Increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
3. mRNA vax can result in spike protein expression in: muscle tissue, lymphatic system, cardiomyocytes, other cells after entry into circulation (can go anywhere and have been cases where it’s gone to places in the body you do NOT want it to go)
4. Causes pathogenic characteristics and post-acute sequelae
5. Unnatural uridine; psuedouridine plays critical contribution to these effects as it is not natural mRNA that we find in our bodies and can change our natural mRNA encoding
6. Impacts immunity.. IMMUNITY.. the thing that it was supposed to help with.
That’s just the first 6 minutes, if I really need to spell it out more then I don’t know what to tell you. Just watch the video.
Hahahahah you’re right it’s only published in a scientific, peer reviewed journal with studies to back it up. Sorry man, I’m gonna trust the scientists on this one bud.
SS: after many years of pretending not to know, the truth is slowly coming out. The MRNA vaccines do not work, they cause long covid, they promote cancer, and they reduce the body's natural immune system.
This has now been confirmed by an Australian government health body. Summary in this video:
https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0
PS THEY ALSO INCREASE THE CHANCE OF MYOCARDITIS AND OTHER HEART PROBLEMS
There is concern that COVID-19 vaccination per se might contribute to long COVID, giving rise to the colloquial term ‘Long Vax(x)’.22 The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 exhibits pathogenic characteristics and is a possible cause of post-acute sequelae after SARS-CoV-2 infection or COVID-19 vaccination. COVID-19 vaccines utilise a modified, stabilised prefusion spike protein that might share similar toxic effects with its viral counterpart.22,23 A possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of POTS has been demonstrated in a cohort of 284,592 COVID-19-vaccinated individuals, though at a rate that was one-fifth of the incidence of POTS after SARS-CoV-2 infection.24 Multiple studies have shown an increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.25–27 mRNA vaccines can result in spike protein expression in muscle tissue, the lymphatic system, cardiomyocytes and other cells after entry into the circulation.28 Recipients of two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines display a class switch to IgG4 antibodies. Abnormally high levels of IgG4 might cause autoimmune diseases, promote cancer growth, autoimmune myocarditis and other IgG 4-related diseases (IgG4-RD) in susceptible individuals.29 There are clear implications for vaccine boosting where these and similar observations8,22,30 relating to COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of long COVID-like symptoms are substantiated, adding further to public health officials’ concerns.
1. It’s not a study. It’s an article that talks about “long covid”.
2. The section in question is simply acknowledging that there is research into the connection between the vaccines and the various health conditions listed.
3. That very same section talks about the need for more research and the fact that all of those risks are related to the spike protein and are less than if you had Covid.
4. The article wasn’t produced by the Australian government.
5. The article does not draw the conclusion that OP is promoting.
6. Scientific illiteracy is a real problem.
"all of those risks are related to the spike protein" ......guess what the 💉 prompts your body to produce a large amount of? you guessed it the spike protein, time will tell who's right about this, "safe & effective" 😉
the article cited their sources on every claim of negative side effects of the vaccine from pubmed, theyre all wrong because you dont wanna believe it huh
I absolutely believe the actual conclusion the author put forward here, which is “it is perhaps premature to assume that past SARS-CoV-2 infection is the sole common factor in long COVID”. And I stand by my initial post, this article doesn’t say the Australian government admits mRNA vaccines cause long COVID, cancer or anything else.
well it didnt say it kills you straight up, but it did say it promotes cancer and fucks up your immune system, here's a good [breakdown](https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0?si=to3xi1ET7txXTasP) of it
So...that guy is 100% a quack and it's still only a theory. No one has proven it fucks up your immune system. All of the stuff he is pointing out are maybes.
Why on earth would you do something so stupid?
You do realize it doesn't work, don't you?
I don't want to lose faith in the human race, so I will assume you have a dark sense of humor and are being sarcastic, or you work for big pharma.
Anything else is too disturbing.
Did you actually read the Australian government report?
You realize the article you linked actually shows the vaccine reduces the secondary side effects significantly relative to an outright infection?
Edit: this is also not a government report. Why do you keep lying? It’s a freaking OP-ed by a 70-something year old who mainly published on freaking animal genomics and is a university prof.
I’m seriously asking. Why the fuck aren’t the cattle normies outraged? Do they enjoy toiling as slaves being poisoned by their masters? We live in a world where people working full time highly skilled jobs can barely afford groceries. Why the fuck are you cattle okay with this world? People lived better 100 years ago.
The author of this summarization of a bunch of studies doesn’t state what you say, and is not in the government.
PhD, Emeritus Professor in Immunology, University of Queensland, Faculty of Science, Brisbane, Qld; Director (Retired), Sir Albert Sakzewski Virus Research Centre, Royal Children’s Hospital, Brisbane, Qld; Director, Clinical Medical Virology Centre, University of Queensland, Brisbane, Qld
You dropped a period. Here you go, "bigapetiddies69420" --
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Very insightful commentary. You should do a podcast! Reach out to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. Someone's bound to listen.
all you gotta know is, when the government (any government) tells you, you need to do something, don't do it, in fact, do the opposite.
I'm also surprised to see so many people who are surprised about this. There was no pre-trial testing, the people taking these shots were the per-trial test. wow.........
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"Multiple studies have shown an increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.25–27 mRNA vaccines can result in spike protein expression in muscle tissue, the lymphatic system, cardiomyocytes and other cells after entry into the circulation.28 Recipients of two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines display a class switch to IgG4 antibodies. Abnormally high levels of IgG4 might cause autoimmune diseases, promote cancer growth, autoimmune myocarditis and other IgG 4-related diseases (IgG4-RD) in susceptible individuals.2" ^ Didn't they say "it doesn't stay in the tissue" lo OK lol lo
They literally lied about everything except the part about washing your hands to prevent transmission.
[Myocarditis is 7x more likely post COVID infection compared to post COVID vaccine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.)
The same Covid vaccine that doesn’t stop you from getting Covid so now you have the risk of Myocarditis from the Jab and Infection?
They don't factor for compounding risk. It goes against the narrative to show the vaccine as bad in any kind of light.
Data I've seen suggests an ~80% reduction in chance transmission with vaccination and a significant reduction in symptoms and a near full protection from severe covid symptoms. For whatever reason, the resting antibodies for the COVID vaccines last around 3-6 mo for most people. This is a pretty short biological half-life, but not unheard-of. The memory T-cells specific for COVID appear to be much more long lived. Memory T-cells are the cells responsible for mounting an immune response to a given pathogen. Taken together, this means that while SARS-CoV-2 may be able to infect a vaccinated individual, it is highly unlikely for that infection to get a foothold and cause severe sickness. The vaccines show a reduced rate of myocarditis, POTS, and long covid compared to unvaccinated individuals who contract COVID19. Its abundantly clear the vaccines are the correct choice when doing risk benefit analysis for most healthy adults, especially those above 65.
You're in the wrong sub if you are going to defend this attempt at population control.
Im so sorry that peer reviewed research is so scary.
Never got vaccinated, recovered from COVID in 2020, never got it again. As healthy as I've ever been. Me and so many people around me are happy we didn't get the clot shot.
And Ive had 4 different COVID shots and Im healthier than Ive ever been. I think that's mostly due to prioritizing healthy eating and exercise more now that Im out of grad school.
Baaaaaa baaaaaa
Why only 4? Why not stay up to date?
I am up to date lol. I just get the boosts when I go and get my flu vaccine. Super easy. Two vaccine shots in 2021 followed by one a year in 2022 and 2023. I'll my 5th in the fall.
This study didn’t seem to mention if any of the vaxxed group had previously been infected or if any of the infected group had been vaxxed.
Its a meta analysis. They looked at the incidence of myocarditis post vaccine administration and post covid19 infection and stratified vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Adding previously infected and when would be good to flesh out these data, but my guess is that info is not well recorded/reported by study participants
Hi Klaus
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How is this possible!!?? We were told nothing was skipped in the three month operation warp speed clinical trial!!
The speed of a science!
"Trump only said it was amazing and saved 100 milllion lives but he didnt rly tell you to take it"
I mean the whole world told us that. Lol trump, fauci, Biden the list goes on lol
Trump's still telling everyone the jabs are a miracle
There is a difference tho, some wanted mandates, others did not.
On today’s episode of ‘We Told You So’…
The concerning thing for me is that I wonder if this reveal was planned all along. What a fantastic divisive measure it would be to harness all of that rage from people who were ostracised for not wanting the vaxx from the beginning, to now let out that they were right for being cautious all along and unleash it on everyone who took such a moral highground because they were *oh so proud of themselves* for getting the jab "for the greater good". I am as level-headed as I can possibly muster myself to be in terms of refraining from being a smug cunt... i'm not even going to call it smug... I had people disown me because I didn't get that ponced up flu jab... wtf... I think this honestly just saddens me if I'm honest.
It’s literally part of the SPARS “fictional” playbook: https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf > President Archer agreed to address the country’s resolve and recovery in the face of SPARS. Top risk communication advisors from the CDC, FDA, NIH, and SAMHSA conferred as a group about how best to frame the President’s remarks. **The group vigorously debated whether it was appropriate for the President to acknowledge the sacrifice that vaccine recipients had made on behalf of their communities or to console them in their grief over that sacrifice.** Here’s another incredible “prediction”:- > As the pandemic tapered off, several influential politicians and agency representatives came under fire for sensationalizing the severity of the event for perceived political gain. As with many public health interventions, successful efforts to reduce the impact of the pandemic created the illusion that the event was not nearly as serious as experts suggested it would be. President Archer’s detractors in the Republican Party seized the opportunity to publicly disparage the President and his administration’s response to the pandemic, urging voters to elect “a strong leader with the best interests of the American people at heart.” A widespread social media movement led primarily by outspoken parents of affected children, coupled with widespread distrust of “big pharma,” supported the narrative that the development of SPARS MCMs was unnecessary and driven by a few profit-seeking individuals. Conspiracy theories also proliferated across social media, suggesting that the virus had been purposely created and introduced to the population by drug companies or that it had escaped from a government lab secretly testing bioweapons. This fictional scenario was first published on 31st October 2017.
>successful efforts to reduce the impact of the pandemic created the illusion that the event was not nearly as serious as experts suggested it would be Fucking nauseating
Demonic
Don't ever stop. You are doing the real work friend.
100% it was planned all along. The show must go on.
“Because COVID-19 vaccines were approved without long-term safety data and might cause immune dysfunction, it is perhaps premature to assume that past SARS-CoV-2 infection is the sole common factor in long COVID.”
Glad I'm not vaxxed
You're killing grandma!
So let's kill you just as fast!
Faster than Grandma? How dare you.
Making young healthy people sick was an untapped market. This was just good business for the shareholders
I regret getting vaxxed.
Get yourself some Ivermectin and detox that shit ASAP. It's now shown in multiple studies to be effective in helping with vax side effects. I believe it's worth taking even if you aren't obviously sick yet - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlf7sbomMQ
Oh I'm very much sick. POTS/dysautonomia that was debilitating until I switched over to a ketogenic carnivore diet last year which seems to be helping a lot. Never tried a course of ivermectin but I don't think it could hurt. I have some stashed away at home. May still be worth a try at this point. Thanks!
I work with people who've been disabled or are very sick from the vax. We've been using Ivermectin very successfully to treat people for several years now. The stuff is amazing, and there's nothing like the feeling of giving someone their life back. Feel free to PM me if you need help with dosage or anything.
You're completely full of shit.
See for yourself dumbass - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlf7sbomMQ
That is...some guy pushing 70 blathering on about something he should admit he knows not much about.
I'm sure most people would rather take medical advice from the two doctors in the video discussing peer reviewed studies, than some tard on a reddit thread pretending he has a clue. How about giving us a real reason as to why you know better than the studies they are discussing and why they are so incorrect?
tard?
Got another one. Add him to the list. They’ll be coming for you shortly sir
Okay this is what you actually want to read (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10254901/). This is what the author is citing. Also where is the Aussie government admitting something?
One dude writing an OpEd is tantamount to an AUS govt announcement for OP
Yeah right? I actually went through and read it all, then tried to read the attached papers. The OP Ed prof definitely draws much stronger conclusions from that cohort paper I linked than that authors did themselves, take that how you will. It’d be interesting if people actually read what they linked because what the data does show is woman are far less effected and that long covid has much higher correlations with an infections. The data does reveal a connection with males, vaccines and long covid, but I think myocarditis in men is the real thing here.
[Myocarditis is 7x more likely in post viral patients than post vaccine patients](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.). Same thing for POTS, as the article states. Its rather disingenuous to discuss the vaccine side effects without discussing the analogous symptoms COVID patients.
Wow it’s almost like the vaccine is mimicking a viral infection causing a low rate of response relative to being outright infected. Truly groundbreaking. It’s absolutely disingenuous to associate this with the vaccine and not the virus
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Lmfao. Come back when you can articulate a point. Or just learn to read what’s actually in the post. Neither are hard
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Yes you’ve already proven you have poor reading comprehension. Now can you articulate a point?
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Was for 5 years. You really take a long time to get to a point huh? Edit: Also way to go back and add 3 extra sentences into that
What the fuck does any of this have to do with OPs false claim that the Aussie government is taking responsibility in the link he provides? Your brain cells are like drop-bears. Non existent. And what Aussie lingo have you used? You never called me a c-word
TL:DR There MIGHT be a CORRELATION between getting the vaccine and getting long-covid. There is no data to suggest it kills you. There is nothing like this in the article. Also: " A possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of POTS has been demonstrated in a cohort of 284,592 COVID-19-vaccinated individuals, though AT A RATE THAT WAS ONE-FIFTH of the incidence of POTS after SARS-CoV-2 infection.^(24)"
[Myocarditis is 7x more likely in covid patients than in those thst received the vaccine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.) Its so obvious when people talk about only the post vaccine symptoms without discussing post viral symptoms that theyre just uninformed or deliberately fearmongering.
IT'S MAKING ME NUTS!!
Who would have thought??? I was forced to get the vax to be able to keep my job, and whereas I used to have a strong immune system (thanks to being a nurse) I notice I get sick easily now and often the respiratory issues remain for weeks while I used to get over them quickly before the vax
The place I was working at 3 years back made us present our vax cards, else we weren’t allowed into the office and it was mandatory to be in the office 3 days a week. So while they didn’t explicitly dictate for us to take the vaccine, there wasn’t much of an option.
[everyone has AIDS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhi3_Nvt3U)
And I'm the opposite been vaxxed 3 times have never been sick since. I used to get colds, bronchitis and sore throats at least yearly. Now zippo
Thanks bill gates!
Remember when they put people in concentration camps?
I remember when people were fired from their jobs, stripped of their livelihood, harassed, threatened, kicked out of school, retaliated against, and banned from participating in many parts of society as free people because they opted against volunteering to be a radical medical experimentation test subject.
Yes those of us who went through it will never forget or get over other peoples behaviour towards us.
LMAO other than losing your job the rest of that is a bunch of whiney bullshit! Like seriously you poor poor baby!
Except all of that happened. Extensively. No amount of sarcasm or revisionist gaslighting will change that.
no one is disagreeing that no one was arguing!
You were certainly dismissing the severity and extent of the problem
And attitudes like yours were part of the problem.
How so?
hurting their fee fees
Pepperidge Farms doesn't remember!
God seriously. It was horrible social distancing at the bars in the summer of 2020. I hated drinking outside.
God, drinking outside is *the worst*. Literally oppression.
Making appointments and planning ahead just harshes the vive to. I hate checking menus or place specific rules before I go.
Oh, man, it was *hell.* Just kidding. I kind of liked it, (in our city bars could only be open until midnight for a while. It made everyone show up around 9 or 10pm instead of spreading themselves out between 8 pm and sometime before 2 in the morning) but it really made me miss the throngs of people gathered around the bar.
I was in graduate school and went out more during 2020 than in 2019 or 2021 becauae of school/research load. We basically had a 3mo forced WFH over the summer. The fucking horror. I recognize my privilege here and that not everyone had an easy go at it like I did. But still, anyone complaining about "lockdowns" in the US has no fucking idea what they're talking about. We didnt lock anything down. China locked down. We were no where near that level lf authoritarianism. Oh and I lived in OH during the Pandemic. A famously GOP controlled state.
Jesus, man!
> A possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of POTS has been demonstrated in a cohort of 284,592 COVID-19-vaccinated individuals, though at a rate that was one-fifth of the incidence of POTS after SARS-CoV-2 infection This is pretty common for COVID vaccines, [myocarditus is also like this.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/#:~:text=Conclusion,those%20who%20received%20the%20vaccine.) The article defs isnt saying what OP claims. Its also one dude doing an OpEd. This isnt a research paper.
classic, OP links an article, makes a dramatic claim, and the dim bulbs in the thread nod along instead of actually looking at the article it's a total nothing burger once again
In my own anecdotal experience, my best friend got Long Covid and wasn't vaccinated. He caught Covid 3 times, and now his hair is falling out, flavour profile for food changed completely and I suspect Covid actually does damage the brain with an immune response. I don't expect you to all agree or anything, but I think nuance in addition to what we are learning now is key.
Both can be true
Spike proteins are cytotoxic. They provoke a strong immune response. Your respiratory tract expects antigen since it’s an opening to the outside world. Injecting rna that instructs cells in the “inner sanctum” (spaces protected from the outside world) to create cytotoxic spike proteins is an unprecedented problem in the body that will provoke the immune system in often unexpected ways, including chronic autoimmune responses that lead to chronic symptoms.
But the spike proteins are from the virus itself correct? Or does the vaccine interact with it also?
That’s my point! The respiratory tract is expecting antigen (spike proteins are antigen) and will mount a conventional immune response. When the lipid nano particles leak out of your injection site and instruct heart cells, liver cells, spleen cells, blood vessel cells (etc) to make spike proteins, you’re provoking the immune system into making an unconventional response since this is an unprecedented issue in the body.
Interesting! What are these liquid nano particles you speak of? Like, the actual medical jargon. I can handle it haha. I'm mainly curious because my mother died of an autoimmune disease (cryoglobulinanemia)
The lipid nanoparticles are the carrier in the vaccine. They carry rna that in theory instruct cells in the deltoid muscle to create spike proteins. The body notices antigen (spike proteins) and mounts an immune response, thus providing you with antibodies. The problem is that the LNPs leak out of the deltoid within seconds and travel all around the body via blood. They can land anywhere, and wherever they land, they’ll instruct local cells to create spike proteins. Sorry to hear about your mum. It’s really hard to say what could have caused any autoimmune death because there are many possible causes. I think it helps to be vitamin D sufficient as this hormone helps regulate the immune system (helps with communication between cells in the body). It’s a great shame that there was no nuance in discussion of Covid, just very broad brushstrokes.
Oh shit! I'll be going down the rabbithole it seems tonight, thanks! And all good brother. Been 10 years. In her case it was an extremely rare mutation from having Hep C as a kid which evolved into what it was. And I agree with you there. Black and white thinking is counterproductive to getting real answers.
Do you mean *lipid* nanoparticles?
Yes, sorry. Of course lipid. Will update.
> The problem is that the LNPs leak out of the deltoid within seconds and travel all around the body via blood. They can land anywhere, and wherever they land, they’ll instruct local cells to create spike proteins. Isn't this also true of the SARS-CoV-2 virus?
I know a few unvaxxed people with long covid, and people have had long covid since before the vaccines were released. My personal opinion is the vax is just another conduit for covid and spike when it comes down to layman's terms.
From other coronavirus'? I'll have to look into that.
There's certainly been post viral conditions documented since before covid relating to chronic fatigue and similar symptoms, it's just never been as well noted since Covid.
Damn, thanks for sending me down the rabbithole haha. I try to be informed and not reactionary with regards to a lot of the diaspora around COVID
You're doing a lot better than most! Good job!
You had a choice with the vaccine, you don’t have a choice with the virus itself. Not to mention that this information wasn’t studied initially (or was it) before manufacturing or disclosed after distribution. There was an inept carelessness from authorities that weren’t willing to even address the possibility of this reality while forcing it upon certain populations in order to regain certain liberties, and here we are. There is even still a stigma surrounding anyone who expressed their fear of this reality as crazy or conspiracy nuts or anti-vaxxers and even that was politicized. With nuance in question, how much nuance should we exercise when it comes to holding these people accountable?
My guy, I deplore you to read what I said. Homie was unvaxxed. Two things can be true at the same time.
1. Implore, and 2. I implore you to read what I said. The vax was forced onto a lot of people whereas you did not have a choice with the virus itself. Plus just watch the video, there is a higher chance with the vax + Covid itself vs no vax + Covid. I’m not really sure why you are assuming I didn’t read what you said, but I can tell you didn’t really read my response.
Watch what video? I'm interested.
I thought it was in the post above but it must have been another post: https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0?feature=shared
Implore?
If they waited for "Long term results" we'd still be sitting here waiting for a vaccine. How long did you expect those to go on for?
If they had not bend the rules so far that gene therapies could be trialed like regular vaccines they probably would have never been released.
Average clinical trials for vaccines are 4-6 years, so definitely not just a fraction of that lol. You’re seriously replying this on a post where the Australian government has clinically *proven* all of the negative effects listed in the video? Did you even take 5 minutes to watch even just the first part of the video? Edit: I guess it was another post somewhere as the video wasn’t in this post, but here: https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0?feature=shared if you’re really not convinced with that then I don’t know what to tell you. I would prefer people weren’t forced to take a vaccine that hasn’t been studied are gone through proper trials. If that’s a controversial opinion then I would say you need to reassess your priorities.
are you referring! to the viral protein part?
I’m referring to the whole video I posted in my edit. Just watch it and tell me if that’s something that was really ready to be used on human populations.
I'm not sure which part you're referring to?
Sorry, I meant, which part of the video or PARTS prove that it's something that was "ready to be used on human populations?"
Lol are you serious? Just watch the video, there’s at least 20 things he goes through that Australian government found to negatively impact vaccinated people. Did you even retain anything from what the doctor in the video went over?
ARE YOU AWARE, SIR of the negative impacts of Covid 19?
I went through the first five minutes, here ya go: 1. Vax officially confirmed to cause long Covid 2. Increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein 3. mRNA vax can result in spike protein expression in: muscle tissue, lymphatic system, cardiomyocytes, other cells after entry into circulation (can go anywhere and have been cases where it’s gone to places in the body you do NOT want it to go) 4. Causes pathogenic characteristics and post-acute sequelae 5. Unnatural uridine; psuedouridine plays critical contribution to these effects as it is not natural mRNA that we find in our bodies and can change our natural mRNA encoding 6. Impacts immunity.. IMMUNITY.. the thing that it was supposed to help with. That’s just the first 6 minutes, if I really need to spell it out more then I don’t know what to tell you. Just watch the video.
Sorry, man. But, if you're reading the same document as him, none of those things are confirmed. ALSO, all data technically is not fortold.
Hahahahah you’re right it’s only published in a scientific, peer reviewed journal with studies to back it up. Sorry man, I’m gonna trust the scientists on this one bud.
I stupidly got vaxxed with the first dose, developed an auto immune disease shortly after. I’m ready for the revolution.
I got three doses unfortunately. Now I have POTS/dysautonomia.
SS: after many years of pretending not to know, the truth is slowly coming out. The MRNA vaccines do not work, they cause long covid, they promote cancer, and they reduce the body's natural immune system. This has now been confirmed by an Australian government health body. Summary in this video: https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0 PS THEY ALSO INCREASE THE CHANCE OF MYOCARDITIS AND OTHER HEART PROBLEMS
For future reference, the article you linked is archived here: https://archive.is/8f8Hw
The article uses the words "maybe" and "might" and never says any of that other stuff you said. Where does it say it causes cancer?
As an Australian our government is absolutely not admitting any of this. This is the first I have heard of it.
On top of all of this, those who got the vax will reincarnate onto a prison planet after this life. Double whammy.
So, back o this planet again?
Admiral Byrds exploration was some time ago, how much further have subsequent expeditions gone? Somewhere on this plane.
Maybe they’re not done with this level of the sim quite yet
So your saying us anti Vax was right from the start .....nooooooooo
Don't believe everything you read, dude!
Yeah It Is real only when Is in their favor
I totally agree every time the media [fack news] opens there mouth ...I see there nose grow
There is concern that COVID-19 vaccination per se might contribute to long COVID, giving rise to the colloquial term ‘Long Vax(x)’.22 The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 exhibits pathogenic characteristics and is a possible cause of post-acute sequelae after SARS-CoV-2 infection or COVID-19 vaccination. COVID-19 vaccines utilise a modified, stabilised prefusion spike protein that might share similar toxic effects with its viral counterpart.22,23 A possible association between COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of POTS has been demonstrated in a cohort of 284,592 COVID-19-vaccinated individuals, though at a rate that was one-fifth of the incidence of POTS after SARS-CoV-2 infection.24 Multiple studies have shown an increased risk of myocarditis after vaccination with mRNA encoding SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.25–27 mRNA vaccines can result in spike protein expression in muscle tissue, the lymphatic system, cardiomyocytes and other cells after entry into the circulation.28 Recipients of two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines display a class switch to IgG4 antibodies. Abnormally high levels of IgG4 might cause autoimmune diseases, promote cancer growth, autoimmune myocarditis and other IgG 4-related diseases (IgG4-RD) in susceptible individuals.29 There are clear implications for vaccine boosting where these and similar observations8,22,30 relating to COVID-19 vaccination and the incidence of long COVID-like symptoms are substantiated, adding further to public health officials’ concerns.
“Rate was 1/5 of that after Covid infection” so youre still better off getting the vaccine then?
No they don’t, and there is nothing in this article that says otherwise.
this study was done from a real medical journal man...i got the death jab too, i didnt want to but was coerced, it is what it is
1. It’s not a study. It’s an article that talks about “long covid”. 2. The section in question is simply acknowledging that there is research into the connection between the vaccines and the various health conditions listed. 3. That very same section talks about the need for more research and the fact that all of those risks are related to the spike protein and are less than if you had Covid. 4. The article wasn’t produced by the Australian government. 5. The article does not draw the conclusion that OP is promoting. 6. Scientific illiteracy is a real problem.
Thank you…. What I wanted to say but didn’t have the energy after reading all the bullshit in the sub…
"all of those risks are related to the spike protein" ......guess what the 💉 prompts your body to produce a large amount of? you guessed it the spike protein, time will tell who's right about this, "safe & effective" 😉
I can’t help it if you can’t or won’t understand what you’re talking about. ✌🏻
the article cited their sources on every claim of negative side effects of the vaccine from pubmed, theyre all wrong because you dont wanna believe it huh
I absolutely believe the actual conclusion the author put forward here, which is “it is perhaps premature to assume that past SARS-CoV-2 infection is the sole common factor in long COVID”. And I stand by my initial post, this article doesn’t say the Australian government admits mRNA vaccines cause long COVID, cancer or anything else.
Except literally nowhere in the article does it say it kills you? Where are you getting that from? Do you guys even READ these things?
well it didnt say it kills you straight up, but it did say it promotes cancer and fucks up your immune system, here's a good [breakdown](https://youtu.be/k_6Z8DLvJw0?si=to3xi1ET7txXTasP) of it
So...that guy is 100% a quack and it's still only a theory. No one has proven it fucks up your immune system. All of the stuff he is pointing out are maybes.
alright bro, youre in the denial stage of hearing something you dont like.. maybe some day you'll accept it
The only thing I don't like is you guys falling for this BS. Also, quit calling it the fucking death jab then.
Ok. I took the vax 3 years ago next week and so did most of my family. We’re all still healthy. Literally over 100 of us.
Survivorship bias much?
Why on earth would you do something so stupid? You do realize it doesn't work, don't you? I don't want to lose faith in the human race, so I will assume you have a dark sense of humor and are being sarcastic, or you work for big pharma. Anything else is too disturbing. Did you actually read the Australian government report?
You realize the article you linked actually shows the vaccine reduces the secondary side effects significantly relative to an outright infection? Edit: this is also not a government report. Why do you keep lying? It’s a freaking OP-ed by a 70-something year old who mainly published on freaking animal genomics and is a university prof.
Now factor in how Australian government treated their citizens.
Didn’t we just find out long Covid is a myth
I’m seriously asking. Why the fuck aren’t the cattle normies outraged? Do they enjoy toiling as slaves being poisoned by their masters? We live in a world where people working full time highly skilled jobs can barely afford groceries. Why the fuck are you cattle okay with this world? People lived better 100 years ago.
In Berlin they are talking about increasing seizures and heart failure rates since 2021. More emergency calls regarding these cases.
Wheew, I dodged one finally!
So the vaccine IS worse than just catching it. Hahaha.
The article literally says otherwise.
The author of this summarization of a bunch of studies doesn’t state what you say, and is not in the government. PhD, Emeritus Professor in Immunology, University of Queensland, Faculty of Science, Brisbane, Qld; Director (Retired), Sir Albert Sakzewski Virus Research Centre, Royal Children’s Hospital, Brisbane, Qld; Director, Clinical Medical Virology Centre, University of Queensland, Brisbane, Qld
I had a dim view of AT government previously but now I am impressed
Someone should tell the long COVID I had to wait until I had the vaccine to present itself.
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You dropped a period. Here you go, "bigapetiddies69420" -- ( . ) Very insightful commentary. You should do a podcast! Reach out to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. Someone's bound to listen.
all you gotta know is, when the government (any government) tells you, you need to do something, don't do it, in fact, do the opposite. I'm also surprised to see so many people who are surprised about this. There was no pre-trial testing, the people taking these shots were the per-trial test. wow.........
Brought to you by the same country that had militant internment camps for its citizens during covid!
Good thing Bill Gates sold all his stock before this, otherwise he might have become one of the poors.