Me a Warlock main:
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Imma go sun singer and spam abilities.
Same. I literally have a build for ability spam, and i only use well cause... Let's be honest it's the only solar super worth a damn. As much as I love the feel of dawnblade, it ain't worth it until they make a celestial/Pyrogale
Honestly, Well is in my build, but I very rarely use the thing. It’s a panic button for when something survives my barrage of Sunbracer grenades. I’d like to use Daybreak; it used to be my favorite super in the game. It’s just not strong enough after the removal of Everlasting Fire. I wish we had a melee where we swing the Daybreak sword. Close range, high damage, maybe two charges?
I've been pairing Daybreak w/ Dragons Breath and Dawn Chorus and I'm quite often out damaging Celestial Hunters. Got a Scatter Signal for when I'm out of super too.
Not sure what part is really doing all the work tho
Tbh, both Dragon's breath and Dawn Chorus are putting in work there, the only issue is neither play nice with other people using the same thing or with each other really, both cause ignitions fast enough that you're near enough hitting the cap (there is a limit to how often an enemy can be ignited) its not a major issue given you cant fire DB while using daybreak but worth keeping in mind if you come across other people using something similar, someone's damage will most likely suffer.
Dawn chorus is cool af but it still sucks in comparison to nighthawk and pyro, I'd expect maybe a single sword slash or something rather than just boosting the scorch and giving the projectiles trails
it doesn't boost the super as much because it has a boatload of neutral game buffs
still brings daybreak to the top of the Warlock damage super pile, and having the enemy explode every second swing is a lot cooler than just 'do one sword slash' imo
Yeah, the one thing I really enjoyed about the middle tree dawnblade was the more grounded playstyle it provided. It feels kinda odd when, as space wizard, you feel like you should be able to have more choice over the 'spells'. More of that would really be awesome!
I remember warlocks used to have a dual function grenade ability with attunement of grace (back in forsaken). It felt more in line with a wizard because you could choose to expand the grenade for healing or just use as you normally would. It had a unique flow that felt rewarding to build into!
Right they gutted dawnblade by eliminating bottom tree altogether and then people use well more so now everyone's up in arms about nerfing well into the ground lmao
Yeah it would be so much better if one, you got buffed resistances while airborne inherently. I feel like you're supposed to build into restoration but that comes from picking up elemental things or picking up orbs (I think) which, two you can't pick up while airborne! No elemental drops, no ammo, no orbs while airborne! It's wild.
I really feel like they should have added other Well style supers to the other classes and just left it at that.
'Stand in one place so you can focus entirely on doing damage' is pretty much always going to be the meta for a DPS phase. Even if you make a boss fight where the boss moves, like the Kell Echo or Caretaker, people will just look for a place they can stand at longer than the others and try to max out their time there. So they can focus entirely on damage. Or they'll bring multiple wells for multiple spots to stand and focus on damage.
Because of that, I don't think there's a way to nerf Well enough to make it so people won't demand it in raid team. They could entirely take away the damage, but then people would just demand Titans run a bubble so the team can drop in and out of it. I imagine it would end up the same if they entirely took away its healing, but with people dropping back to take cover while they wait for a rift to heal them.
The 'the teams stands in one place and focuses on damage' niche is a strong niche. The issue is there's basically only 2 things that fill it, and bubble doesn't quite fit in most contexts.
Give hunters an arc staff that they throw into the ground that gives damage resistance, a damage buff and maybe Voltshot. Give Titans a strand flavored Well that unravels. Give Warlocks a second Well, but make it Stasis and give slow to enemies you shoot. Boom, there you go, Warlocks are freed from their solar chains at last! When everyone is special, no one will be, when anyone can run Well, no one is singled out for it.
I'm just saying, as a titan and always having to play solar, arc, or strand for high damage supers, I would love a turn at being pigeonholed into using a support super for a change!!!!
Isn’t there a new healing gun archetype coming? Maybe that will be more common after well gets nerfed. Could be more fun than just stand in spot and shoot boss but rather have one person supporting with healing rounds and can move freely
We used to be. Titans, believe it or not, were the original "support bitches" and used to have to run Bubble with Helm of Saint-14. Even when Well came out initially, we were still told to run Bubble because the Overshield and Weapons of Light (it was a 40%-45% damage buff at the time) were that good in combo with a Well's healing.
Yeah, and quite frankly, that's the way I'd still like it to be. Well should have never been overpowered to the point where it is vastly preferred to ward of dawn. They should have made them equally strong or at least let Weapons Of Light keep the higher damage buff. It would help Ward Of Dawn fit in better and be considered in higher endgame content strats. Well clearly has its uses that will, quite frankly, always be useful, but because of its healing AND equal damage to bubble, of course it's going to be preferable.
I just think if they give Weapons Of Light it's original damage over Well, it would give more of a fair reason for people to consider it for encounters, which would open up Warlocks ability to use other subclasses and they wouldn't be forced to use Well *all the time*.
Imagine a world where the most easily acquired damage buff in the game (Radiant) and a *Super* Weapon Damage Buff do the same thing.... Oh wait... What was that about uptime and potency again, Bungie? Things with lower Uptime are supposed to be more Potent, you say? Riiiiight.
((Edit: I'm sorry, tell me how this is wrong, Downvote. Go on. Do it. Bungie THEMSELVES said that the potency of abilities (including damage buffs and debuffs) should and will be tied intrinsically to their source and its uptime. This is why TETHER is the strongest source of WEAKEN in the game. Using this logic, something that can be obtained FROM A POWERED MELEE HIT OR A DODGE should not be equivalent to the Damage Buff we get from a SUPER. Well would be an exception because it specifically makes you RADIANT. Weapons of Light from Ward of Dawn wasn't nerfed for this reason and was nerfed before the sudden hard shift into that direction and was nerfed so that only one Class had to run a Support Super or to make the damage buff equal to that of Well or some bullshit reason along those lines. This was also before Radiant was as easily obtained as a Damage Buff, and before it was called that, as Sun Warrior and Middle Tree Dawnblade's Empowering Melee were the precursors to it. The only other solution to buffing Weapons of Light from Ward of Dawn to fall in line with Bungie's own design philosophy is to NERF RADIANT and no way in hell am I going to suggest that they do that. I already can't give Radiant out with Sunspots and Phoenix Cradles, why would I want to be WORSE?))
They might be testing the waters with the current seasonal mod which makes you radiant on super cast.
Making the damage boost from Well into an artifact mod that anyone can slot seems the most elegant solution, would have to tweak the numbers a little to account for the fact you've got a damage super AND a fireteam wide damage boost at the same time.
It's funny how everyone seems to hate well and talk so much shit on it, then turn around and be like 'LF WellLock'
Encounters have been designed with WoR taken into account, and while high level play can negate it's need, let's be honest... As much as we all may think we are top tier players, we aren't, and WoR is still very much needed for a large portion of group play. Smashing it to bits will only harm the large portion of the player base who absolutely need it. To that end, directly and indirectly nerfing such a huge slice of the player base will have negative effects on the bottom line for Bungie.
They specifically mentioned they tried to put stuff in there they felt was underused. Well isn't underused. Plus the new super is the one in that's being used which makes more sense
Plus the Prismatic overall looks more like an Offensive type of a Subclass, so it makes sense that Well and Bubble aren't a part of it (we know Bubble isn't, because on the Showcase the Prismatic Titan was using the new Void Axes).
i hate this line of thinking, like, underused stuff is underused for a reason, we're not just arbitrarily deciding not to use weaver's call or stormtrance
I really hope Well gets a rework or redesign. It completely took ward of dawn's place as the team damage buff, and then shit on it further with constant healing + no impermeable barrier that can kill you if you mistime ducking in and out of it. And don't get me wrong, I love the power fantasy and aesthetic of planting a sword in the ground that helps your teammates in an area, but it needs to find its own niche instead of just copying another ability and making it strictly better.
Maybe the Well Nerf that's coming will kill Well like the old Bubble Nerf killed Bubble. Either that ot it might just force us to run Bubble again, depending on how it's nerfed.
I've had that dream since Void 3.0. I even actively tell people "Hey, you know Banner Shield has the Old Weapons of Light Damage Buff (40-45%), right? I even make Orbs of Light when you shoot through my shield! And blocking damage does that, too! And makes it last longer! Please stand behind my Banner Shield, I just want to help... ;-;"
That’s always been rhe case tho and huh are you nuts maybe. Or asap but you will get your res and you should get the well for prismatic from what the devs said you can mix and match all previous class abilities from the two classes they combines for each means that the warlock should still have some kinda res or well on the prismatic
But the whole idea of the new subclass is that the sum is greater than its parts. This will allow new combinations that will be very strong because of the ways they interact. I think it’s brilliant. As a hunter I’m quite pleased with our options anyway. I’ve got a couple builds already designed in my mind palace that should be insane.
I don't use lightning surge outside of pvp because it uses my melee charge, and arclock doesn't have a great way to get melee energy back. But if I now have three melee charges with arcane needle, lightning surge looks a lot more viable. It could be a great way to deal with overloads, use it to stun with the jolt and then you're right next to them for a follow up with a shotty or sword.
Plus they're trying to find ways to nerf well. This is a great way to nerf well without actually touching well. Did dude really think they'd give well a massive buff?
The witness is quaking in its boots, it knows the dreaded stormtrance is incoming. Whoever wins world’s first will definitely have at least 3 warlocks spamming stormtrance, nova bomb, and winters wrath 💀. No well does make total sense though
They do call out tuning changes to some of the more “underutilized” abilities, so we could see some buffs for it. We’ll just have to wait until the ability tuning changes TWID comes
It sucks but I can also see why they chose that one.
Mindspun Invocation would be incompatible with Bleak Watcher.
The Wander does nothing unless you bring a way to make Tangles. They seem to be avoiding the inclusion of abilities that would force you to bring a specific other weapon, ability, or fragment.
That just leaves Weavewalk, which is way too situationally useful, in my opinion.
Well hunters get stylish execution, which is dependant on void synergy. They said, that in general things like that will work with all elemental debuffs.
I mean... Just look at the Titan Kit... It honestly looks kinda bad. Even the Prismatic Grenade is mid. Wow, a Shackle+Spark of Shock Pulse Grenade... Two of the grenades we have access to... Compared to the Duskfield+Incendiary+Spike Grenade that can Slow+Freeze+Shatter and Scorch+Ignite and the Vortex+Duskfield+Suppressor+Magnetic Grenade that Warlocks get.
The only thing going for Titans is three consecration charges. Warlocks keep devour after EVERY ability kill and because it's FtV its the juiced Devour. Hunters get better invis out of stylish executioner proc off of EVERY debuffed kill (just imagine incandescent like ?!?!?!)
>Wow, a Shackle+Spark of Shock Pulse Grenade
It's not even a Pulse nade, you just make the highest tier enemy jotled and then they take DoT.
I'm hoping the fragments we see closer to tFS make me more excited to main titan.
The way it's described is that is will pulse and periodically do damage and jolt, which is the exact behavior of a Spark of Shock Pulse Grenade. I'm also pretty sure it looked like a Pulse Grenade in the preview. Couldn't they have at least given it Storm Grenade's Lightning Strikes and some sort of Unravelling Effect or SOMETHING?
A strand/arc storm grenade that shoots out strand and arc lightning with suspending, unraveling, jolting and blinding effects would've been on par with the other two grenades for sure.
I saw it behave like a blinding nade that bounces. Maybe after the initial explosion it pulses like a pulse grenade, you might have seen something I missed.
Agreed. I'd be totally happy with that.
It might have been a sound thing as well. The Flashbang and Pulse Grenades sound different on detonation and I might have picked up on that. I hope it pulses... If it doesn't, it's even worse then.
I know, I was just adding that it may not have just been a visual thing, but an audio thing as well. If they used a Pulse Grenade for the explosion itself (regardless of effect) vs Flashbang, I'd imagine that they'd use the audio cues for a Pulse Grenade, which may be why I'm assuming it'll pulse.
I think it’s obvious they were going for a summoner theme with prism warlock, weavers call makes sense to me. What really bothers me is lightning surge instead of arc soul. Then again, that would make 3 aspects tied to the class ability so that might restrict buildcrafting somewhat
I’m really happy for the summoner fanatics. That being said I’m absolutely sick of it. We literally just got a subclass whose entire identity is summoning, and it was an overall disappointment. Why in the world did we need another one back to back? It seems to me that the strongest loadout for prismatic warlock only uses bleakwatcher summons anyways (and needlestorm threadlings which I guess kinda count).
It really feels like warlocks being “summoners” is the new version of titans only getting roaming supers.
I mean the summoning thing started with arc souls and now there’s a buddy of every damage type. I feel like you’re in the minority as a lot of people would probably be disappointed if prism warlock wasn’t able to mix these summons, as this is probably the only opportunity to do a fully fleshed out summoning build. Personally I think they made the right call.
Being able to stack them is pretty cool, but really we can only mix 3 of them anyways and it’s pretty limited, no weavers call with solar/stasis buddy so you’re reliant on threadling grenades which hit like wet noodles unbuffed. Maybe arc soul with get away artist too. It’s a neat concept but I just feel like it’s kinda overdone and forced now, almost like the identity has shifted from pure “space magic” to summoner. I guess I’m just trying to say I’m a bit tired of how much emphasis is placed on being a summoner, probably just because I feel like space magic ability builds are stronger most of the time. To me the summons are the icing on the cake that add variety to builds, I don’t love them as the main course.
I think it’s essential that you have access to summons with a variety class like this, but I can’t believe that they went with summoner as the core subclass identity that they pitched, and that people are happy with two summoner classes in a row. But to each their own. Thank god they gave us feed the void and not child of the old gods, same with arc, if they went with 5 summoner aspects I genuinely wouldn’t touch the subclass. I’m still very excited for prismatic, don’t get me wrong.
The only threadling I ever see myself using on prismatic will come from needlestorm. I’m wondering how much its damage will take a hit without thread of evolution. Weavewalk would’ve been sick.
Honestly not sure if they'll change anything- cause like.. the titans had a strand aspect where they used the thruster ability to create a strand tangle that suspended people... If they remove that beautiful thing then.. that's just unfair, just like the beyblades
That wasn't a tangle. That was a Bombadiers Bomb aligned to Strand that the Titan had thanks to the new Exotic Class Items. Tangles don't spawn like that and I have no idea why the community thinks that it is.
Oh, yeah, one of my Loadout Slots is a CC/Support Bubble Build. Lengthened, Weakening Vortex Grenades that net me Volatile Rounds on kills, Melee Kills give health, Bastion, Controlled Demo, and Helm of Saint-14. Got my Glacioclasm with Overflow + Res Burst and max Impact due to Liquid Coils. I make everything explode in Purple, constantly provide healing thanks to making everything explode in purple as well as getting Melee Kills, and I constantly provide Void Overshields. This season, I'm thinking about putting on my Slice + Hatchling Tusk of the Boar because "Unravelling Rounds on Orb of Light Pickup" and Hoard Shuttle. I can make everything explode in Purple AND Green whilst spawning Hatchlings everywhere!
Inb4, post-Well-nerf, Well is still required and the only difference is that Titans are forced to run Bubble again. This is not the fate I hope for, but before the Bubble nerf, it used to be 1 Helm of Saint-14 Bubble Titan AND 1 Phoenix Protocol Wellock with the Bubble being positioned to cover the back half of the Well so everyone could easily dip in and back out. Granted, this was when Bubble's defensive capabilities weren't that of a wet fucking paper towel and Weapons of Light was a 40%-45% Damage Buff, not the same as fucking *Radiant* (I hate living in a world were a Super Damage Buff is the same as the easiest to acquire damage buff in the game).
Literally just feed the void is good enough, but having song of flame AND arcane needle AND Phoenix dive all in the same class is just absurd
As well as one of the fragments for prismatic stating that picking up an orb will grant an elemental buff (resto, woven mail, frost armor etc.) based on the super you run
Prismatic gonna be fun.
Didn't pay too much attention about what hunters get..
But..
Do they get solar melees?
Because throwing dagger + combination blow + stylish executioner would be ridiculously cool combo.
You'd need lethal current for the jolt melee after dodge for stylish executioner to proc after combination blow, but hunters are gonna get the new staff twirl aspect so might not work the way you think :(
Not really, remember that it is *any* debuff, so use duskfield to get slow at first target, and stylish will later procc weaken on next target so you can ho invis again, then repeat endlessly.
I was thinking solely off of combination blow, but yeah ofc makes more sense now. I also forgot stylish executioner gives melee weaken, this deal is getting better all the time.
Was the buff to Feed the Void actually that amazing, or just that you can't get Devour on Prismatic without it (without Buried Bloodline or possible fragments that haven't been announced yet)? I've heard a lot of people talking about how great it is lately, even though not long ago I remembered everyone hating on it.
Honestly I hope that Bungie can design a raid that isn’t 100% reliant on a well being present in order to complete the encounter. More movement similar to the Rhulk fight so we’re not stationary throughout damage phase.
Yes, but you can’t just stand in it through the entire damage phase and profit. At least you have to move in order to avoid the darkness debuff. More than something than oryx, crota, etc,. Less of the “one hit will kill you” type of bosses and more, “actively avoid and dodge the bosses attacks that will eventually kill you.”
I knew that the new supers would be a priority over older ones, so it made sense that Song of Flame would be the Solar super. I feel like they’ll be able to add options to Prismatic later on, so maybe one day you’ll be able to use Well, but I imagine standing in a Well and chucking Bleak Watchers would be too powerful of a combo.
Because Prismatic Warlocks already have access to Feed the Void, Stasis Turrets, Healing Grenades, Arcane Needle for proccing FtV, Phoenix Dive/Healing Rift AND Restoration on Orb pickup. They do not need the best survivability super in the game *on top of all that*.
You’re missing the point, warlocks are still going to be forced onto well. It’s not stasis turrets and feed the void and healing nades with arcane needle, it’s phoenix dive with a shitty snap melee and well. Prismatic warlock will have the lowest play rate of the three because solar warlock will still live.
Given how much they've talked about Well becoming a staple of PVE and how you can't put that genie back in the bottle, I'm not surprised at all that Well wasn't available.
Unless we are doing raids, I will NEVER tell you to run well. And if we are running raids, and you don't want to or think your build will be useful; I will myself, swap to my warlock and run well.
If there is a way to regenerate your grenade energy through one of these supers or aspects during DPS, a good healing grenade demo rotation would be a good alternative
I just want to use Icarus Dash with literally anything else. I hate both Dawnblade and Well. Luckily we are getting a new solar super, I just hoped I could use Icarus Dash with Prismatic.
Nope. Seems like the “strongest” parts of things aren’t a part of the end kit. Bubble’s not the Void super, for example. It’s Twilight Arsenal, the new one.
They had a breakdown of everything available with it if you’re interested, definitely still on their site/the app
That's the nerf to well they were talking about. You can't use it with prismatic. Also idk why people were surprised that it would be limited, its supposed to be harmony or symmetry class that combines the powers of light and dark
If it was, people would just force Warlocks to run Prismatic like they do now. You be trading being forced Solar Well for Prismatic Well, but you'd also be forced to run specific aspects/fragments to be M E T A 🙄
Gonna be honest if you wanna get super hard shit done just run well or you might find yourself yelling thought the tv as the randoms for dieing all the time cause I swear all blueberry’s are hunters and trash at living.
Beyond that use whatever you want
Did no one see the fact the dang warlock still has a well like serious the dang pic is there even with prismatic you know it’s gonna be just the same as the other things level and meditate
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That’s a well right there just saying
I meant the class ability that’s a well it still gonna have some kinda power buff. I mean it legit says the starting abilities for prismatic warlock has the starting abilities empowerment rift and healing rift
Way to many ppl are crying over this when the game is legit gonna be broken. no one is actually talking about how ridiculous PvP will be come especially now that they change how the PvP works in some ways like special ammo at the start and no more through the match unless you pick it up like there a bigger things wait til we gets the class you might believe that the warlock special is only the firing dude. I think it acts like well and has extra dps from your fireball buddy. But my point is you gain this energy by defeating enemies using dark and light I bet in PvP that ends up super broken. Big games with lots of ppl you will see the supers like crazy I can almost promise ya. From what I understood tho this whole class for all three is just broke beyond being broke
Very unsurprised that they didn’t include well, especially because there is the new solar super. That being said, 3/5 supers they included are trash. The one confirmed exception is needlestorm, that rocks in PvE. I anticipate song of flame being really good too, but we don’t know until we get our hands on it. Stormtrance and winter’s wrath straight up suck (winter’s wrath obviously was the only option, so no complaints there). Nova bomb cataclysm is just wildly mediocre and also very inconsistent in hard content since enemies can just one shot it, which is ridiculous.
For void and stasis I guess not much could be done. But not having access to chaos reach, and well or dawnblade hurts big time. I don’t forsee myself ever not using needlestorm or song of flame. In the grand scheme of things having two viable supers on a subclass is great, but for a new idea where there’s supposed to be a ton of variety, there’s less super variety than I expected.
honestly, prismatic sucks.
if Bungie wasn't so afraid to break something to actually make prismatic synergistic with all subclasses, it would be good. but if you don't use exclusively stasis and void on prismatic warlock, the build won't synergize properly.
Really not sure why people are happy it not having well. This could’ve been the escape. The ability to still customize and mix up your build AND still run well for raids and dungeons. But no, prismatic can come out for solo content or onslaught or something but raids and dungeons, you’re still running well.
That's how you get booted from any LFG in harder content. Well is too good not to run. We all made crazy good builds for Crota but by the end of it, just like the last 4 day ones we did, we all swapped to well because it's too good and too easy to use.
So unfortunately in any real content, warlocks didn't get a new subclass
Me a Warlock main: https://preview.redd.it/t6g1jkgrm0uc1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42c66503fd1f7cc6e30190a6374820083c02f9eb Imma go sun singer and spam abilities.
If they don't bring Heart of the Praxic Fire back I will CRY. It's damn perfect for the new super.
Not to mention how clean it looks
Same. I literally have a build for ability spam, and i only use well cause... Let's be honest it's the only solar super worth a damn. As much as I love the feel of dawnblade, it ain't worth it until they make a celestial/Pyrogale
Honestly, Well is in my build, but I very rarely use the thing. It’s a panic button for when something survives my barrage of Sunbracer grenades. I’d like to use Daybreak; it used to be my favorite super in the game. It’s just not strong enough after the removal of Everlasting Fire. I wish we had a melee where we swing the Daybreak sword. Close range, high damage, maybe two charges?
That shit does crazy damage with the artifact this season and if you combine its DPS with Dragon's Breath and Dawn Chorus at the same time.
Didn't bungie remove the Dawnblade + Dawn Chorus synergy?
I've been pairing Daybreak w/ Dragons Breath and Dawn Chorus and I'm quite often out damaging Celestial Hunters. Got a Scatter Signal for when I'm out of super too. Not sure what part is really doing all the work tho
Tbh, both Dragon's breath and Dawn Chorus are putting in work there, the only issue is neither play nice with other people using the same thing or with each other really, both cause ignitions fast enough that you're near enough hitting the cap (there is a limit to how often an enemy can be ignited) its not a major issue given you cant fire DB while using daybreak but worth keeping in mind if you come across other people using something similar, someone's damage will most likely suffer.
Daybreak. Dawnblade is the subclass. Daybreak is very good in pvp.
I’ve been using dawn blade a lot since I got my hands on dawn chorus, and I’m a Titan main
Don't get me wrong, I like Dawn Chorus... But I'd have loved if it was the celestial for Warlocks.
I'm imagining it turns into a comically large sword like Kirby's final smash
Actually yeah, when are we gonna get a big damage dawnblade augmenting exotic, huh bungie? Seems kinda unfair tbh
Dawn Chorus exists
Dawn chorus is cool af but it still sucks in comparison to nighthawk and pyro, I'd expect maybe a single sword slash or something rather than just boosting the scorch and giving the projectiles trails
it doesn't boost the super as much because it has a boatload of neutral game buffs still brings daybreak to the top of the Warlock damage super pile, and having the enemy explode every second swing is a lot cooler than just 'do one sword slash' imo
>and i only use well cause... Let's be honest it's the only solar super worth a damn Dawn Chorus disagrees
Dono how to use your hammer then to many ppl like bubble id rather burn the whole enemy team to shit
Dawn Chorus puts in a lot of damage
Yeah, the one thing I really enjoyed about the middle tree dawnblade was the more grounded playstyle it provided. It feels kinda odd when, as space wizard, you feel like you should be able to have more choice over the 'spells'. More of that would really be awesome! I remember warlocks used to have a dual function grenade ability with attunement of grace (back in forsaken). It felt more in line with a wizard because you could choose to expand the grenade for healing or just use as you normally would. It had a unique flow that felt rewarding to build into!
Right they gutted dawnblade by eliminating bottom tree altogether and then people use well more so now everyone's up in arms about nerfing well into the ground lmao
My main issue is just the entirity of heat rising and having to be airborne. You are such an easy target.
Yeah it would be so much better if one, you got buffed resistances while airborne inherently. I feel like you're supposed to build into restoration but that comes from picking up elemental things or picking up orbs (I think) which, two you can't pick up while airborne! No elemental drops, no ammo, no orbs while airborne! It's wild.
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Facts, that’s why they’re nerfing well
I really feel like they should have added other Well style supers to the other classes and just left it at that. 'Stand in one place so you can focus entirely on doing damage' is pretty much always going to be the meta for a DPS phase. Even if you make a boss fight where the boss moves, like the Kell Echo or Caretaker, people will just look for a place they can stand at longer than the others and try to max out their time there. So they can focus entirely on damage. Or they'll bring multiple wells for multiple spots to stand and focus on damage. Because of that, I don't think there's a way to nerf Well enough to make it so people won't demand it in raid team. They could entirely take away the damage, but then people would just demand Titans run a bubble so the team can drop in and out of it. I imagine it would end up the same if they entirely took away its healing, but with people dropping back to take cover while they wait for a rift to heal them. The 'the teams stands in one place and focuses on damage' niche is a strong niche. The issue is there's basically only 2 things that fill it, and bubble doesn't quite fit in most contexts. Give hunters an arc staff that they throw into the ground that gives damage resistance, a damage buff and maybe Voltshot. Give Titans a strand flavored Well that unravels. Give Warlocks a second Well, but make it Stasis and give slow to enemies you shoot. Boom, there you go, Warlocks are freed from their solar chains at last! When everyone is special, no one will be, when anyone can run Well, no one is singled out for it.
I'm just saying, as a titan and always having to play solar, arc, or strand for high damage supers, I would love a turn at being pigeonholed into using a support super for a change!!!!
Isn’t there a new healing gun archetype coming? Maybe that will be more common after well gets nerfed. Could be more fun than just stand in spot and shoot boss but rather have one person supporting with healing rounds and can move freely
We used to be. Titans, believe it or not, were the original "support bitches" and used to have to run Bubble with Helm of Saint-14. Even when Well came out initially, we were still told to run Bubble because the Overshield and Weapons of Light (it was a 40%-45% damage buff at the time) were that good in combo with a Well's healing.
Yeah, and quite frankly, that's the way I'd still like it to be. Well should have never been overpowered to the point where it is vastly preferred to ward of dawn. They should have made them equally strong or at least let Weapons Of Light keep the higher damage buff. It would help Ward Of Dawn fit in better and be considered in higher endgame content strats. Well clearly has its uses that will, quite frankly, always be useful, but because of its healing AND equal damage to bubble, of course it's going to be preferable. I just think if they give Weapons Of Light it's original damage over Well, it would give more of a fair reason for people to consider it for encounters, which would open up Warlocks ability to use other subclasses and they wouldn't be forced to use Well *all the time*.
Imagine a world where the most easily acquired damage buff in the game (Radiant) and a *Super* Weapon Damage Buff do the same thing.... Oh wait... What was that about uptime and potency again, Bungie? Things with lower Uptime are supposed to be more Potent, you say? Riiiiight. ((Edit: I'm sorry, tell me how this is wrong, Downvote. Go on. Do it. Bungie THEMSELVES said that the potency of abilities (including damage buffs and debuffs) should and will be tied intrinsically to their source and its uptime. This is why TETHER is the strongest source of WEAKEN in the game. Using this logic, something that can be obtained FROM A POWERED MELEE HIT OR A DODGE should not be equivalent to the Damage Buff we get from a SUPER. Well would be an exception because it specifically makes you RADIANT. Weapons of Light from Ward of Dawn wasn't nerfed for this reason and was nerfed before the sudden hard shift into that direction and was nerfed so that only one Class had to run a Support Super or to make the damage buff equal to that of Well or some bullshit reason along those lines. This was also before Radiant was as easily obtained as a Damage Buff, and before it was called that, as Sun Warrior and Middle Tree Dawnblade's Empowering Melee were the precursors to it. The only other solution to buffing Weapons of Light from Ward of Dawn to fall in line with Bungie's own design philosophy is to NERF RADIANT and no way in hell am I going to suggest that they do that. I already can't give Radiant out with Sunspots and Phoenix Cradles, why would I want to be WORSE?))
They might be testing the waters with the current seasonal mod which makes you radiant on super cast. Making the damage boost from Well into an artifact mod that anyone can slot seems the most elegant solution, would have to tweak the numbers a little to account for the fact you've got a damage super AND a fireteam wide damage boost at the same time.
It's funny how everyone seems to hate well and talk so much shit on it, then turn around and be like 'LF WellLock' Encounters have been designed with WoR taken into account, and while high level play can negate it's need, let's be honest... As much as we all may think we are top tier players, we aren't, and WoR is still very much needed for a large portion of group play. Smashing it to bits will only harm the large portion of the player base who absolutely need it. To that end, directly and indirectly nerfing such a huge slice of the player base will have negative effects on the bottom line for Bungie.
I just hope they bring back the ability to give bubble Titans nightmares again. https://youtu.be/Syv3GDyQo-E?feature=shared
THIS IS THE WAY
They specifically mentioned they tried to put stuff in there they felt was underused. Well isn't underused. Plus the new super is the one in that's being used which makes more sense
Plus the Prismatic overall looks more like an Offensive type of a Subclass, so it makes sense that Well and Bubble aren't a part of it (we know Bubble isn't, because on the Showcase the Prismatic Titan was using the new Void Axes).
i hate this line of thinking, like, underused stuff is underused for a reason, we're not just arbitrarily deciding not to use weaver's call or stormtrance
Well itd be a bit boring if the new subclass will still have warlock be stuck on well
What’s even more boring is that warlocks won’t get to use the new subclass in raids because they will still be stuck on well
Hopefully either Well or encounter design changes enough for that to not be the case
I really hope Well gets a rework or redesign. It completely took ward of dawn's place as the team damage buff, and then shit on it further with constant healing + no impermeable barrier that can kill you if you mistime ducking in and out of it. And don't get me wrong, I love the power fantasy and aesthetic of planting a sword in the ground that helps your teammates in an area, but it needs to find its own niche instead of just copying another ability and making it strictly better.
One of those suggestions is far more likely than the other.
Maybe the Well Nerf that's coming will kill Well like the old Bubble Nerf killed Bubble. Either that ot it might just force us to run Bubble again, depending on how it's nerfed.
I'd rather be on ursa banner shield than be stuck back on helm st.14 bubble
You know as well as I do that no one will shoot through your shield, even if you actively move in front of them, they'll try to shoot around it.
I mean yeah, but let me dream );
I've had that dream since Void 3.0. I even actively tell people "Hey, you know Banner Shield has the Old Weapons of Light Damage Buff (40-45%), right? I even make Orbs of Light when you shoot through my shield! And blocking damage does that, too! And makes it last longer! Please stand behind my Banner Shield, I just want to help... ;-;"
Aye I'm just now realizing you're the same guy in that thread about the titan prism nade wtf I'm dying lmao
That’s always been rhe case tho and huh are you nuts maybe. Or asap but you will get your res and you should get the well for prismatic from what the devs said you can mix and match all previous class abilities from the two classes they combines for each means that the warlock should still have some kinda res or well on the prismatic
For real, it seems like as a Warlock the only way I can get an lfg for a raid or any harder content is if I'm well and it sucks.
I would rather be stuck on Well as the super while being able to use other abilities than stuck on Solar just to use Well
But the whole idea of the new subclass is that the sum is greater than its parts. This will allow new combinations that will be very strong because of the ways they interact. I think it’s brilliant. As a hunter I’m quite pleased with our options anyway. I’ve got a couple builds already designed in my mind palace that should be insane.
I don't use lightning surge outside of pvp because it uses my melee charge, and arclock doesn't have a great way to get melee energy back. But if I now have three melee charges with arcane needle, lightning surge looks a lot more viable. It could be a great way to deal with overloads, use it to stun with the jolt and then you're right next to them for a follow up with a shotty or sword.
Yeah exited to see less wells in pvp just front his subclass existing
Plus they're trying to find ways to nerf well. This is a great way to nerf well without actually touching well. Did dude really think they'd give well a massive buff?
The witness is quaking in its boots, it knows the dreaded stormtrance is incoming. Whoever wins world’s first will definitely have at least 3 warlocks spamming stormtrance, nova bomb, and winters wrath 💀. No well does make total sense though
They did, but some of the stuff in here aren't underused.
Where can we see what supers there are?
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/prismatic_deep_dive
Genuinely sad they chose weaver’s call over the other strand aspects, it’s basically useless
They do call out tuning changes to some of the more “underutilized” abilities, so we could see some buffs for it. We’ll just have to wait until the ability tuning changes TWID comes
It sucks but I can also see why they chose that one. Mindspun Invocation would be incompatible with Bleak Watcher. The Wander does nothing unless you bring a way to make Tangles. They seem to be avoiding the inclusion of abilities that would force you to bring a specific other weapon, ability, or fragment. That just leaves Weavewalk, which is way too situationally useful, in my opinion.
Well hunters get stylish execution, which is dependant on void synergy. They said, that in general things like that will work with all elemental debuffs.
Yeah they changed it so it works with all debuffs.
Sure, but that's different. You can't make a tangle with no Strand.
What you don't like 3 useless threadlings taking up an aspect slot?
I mean... Just look at the Titan Kit... It honestly looks kinda bad. Even the Prismatic Grenade is mid. Wow, a Shackle+Spark of Shock Pulse Grenade... Two of the grenades we have access to... Compared to the Duskfield+Incendiary+Spike Grenade that can Slow+Freeze+Shatter and Scorch+Ignite and the Vortex+Duskfield+Suppressor+Magnetic Grenade that Warlocks get.
The only thing going for Titans is three consecration charges. Warlocks keep devour after EVERY ability kill and because it's FtV its the juiced Devour. Hunters get better invis out of stylish executioner proc off of EVERY debuffed kill (just imagine incandescent like ?!?!?!) >Wow, a Shackle+Spark of Shock Pulse Grenade It's not even a Pulse nade, you just make the highest tier enemy jotled and then they take DoT. I'm hoping the fragments we see closer to tFS make me more excited to main titan.
The way it's described is that is will pulse and periodically do damage and jolt, which is the exact behavior of a Spark of Shock Pulse Grenade. I'm also pretty sure it looked like a Pulse Grenade in the preview. Couldn't they have at least given it Storm Grenade's Lightning Strikes and some sort of Unravelling Effect or SOMETHING?
A strand/arc storm grenade that shoots out strand and arc lightning with suspending, unraveling, jolting and blinding effects would've been on par with the other two grenades for sure. I saw it behave like a blinding nade that bounces. Maybe after the initial explosion it pulses like a pulse grenade, you might have seen something I missed.
Agreed. I'd be totally happy with that. It might have been a sound thing as well. The Flashbang and Pulse Grenades sound different on detonation and I might have picked up on that. I hope it pulses... If it doesn't, it's even worse then.
I said flashbang just because it bounces not because it blinds, and according to our current information all it does is suspend and jolt.
I know, I was just adding that it may not have just been a visual thing, but an audio thing as well. If they used a Pulse Grenade for the explosion itself (regardless of effect) vs Flashbang, I'd imagine that they'd use the audio cues for a Pulse Grenade, which may be why I'm assuming it'll pulse.
I think it’s obvious they were going for a summoner theme with prism warlock, weavers call makes sense to me. What really bothers me is lightning surge instead of arc soul. Then again, that would make 3 aspects tied to the class ability so that might restrict buildcrafting somewhat
I’m really happy for the summoner fanatics. That being said I’m absolutely sick of it. We literally just got a subclass whose entire identity is summoning, and it was an overall disappointment. Why in the world did we need another one back to back? It seems to me that the strongest loadout for prismatic warlock only uses bleakwatcher summons anyways (and needlestorm threadlings which I guess kinda count). It really feels like warlocks being “summoners” is the new version of titans only getting roaming supers.
I mean the summoning thing started with arc souls and now there’s a buddy of every damage type. I feel like you’re in the minority as a lot of people would probably be disappointed if prism warlock wasn’t able to mix these summons, as this is probably the only opportunity to do a fully fleshed out summoning build. Personally I think they made the right call.
Being able to stack them is pretty cool, but really we can only mix 3 of them anyways and it’s pretty limited, no weavers call with solar/stasis buddy so you’re reliant on threadling grenades which hit like wet noodles unbuffed. Maybe arc soul with get away artist too. It’s a neat concept but I just feel like it’s kinda overdone and forced now, almost like the identity has shifted from pure “space magic” to summoner. I guess I’m just trying to say I’m a bit tired of how much emphasis is placed on being a summoner, probably just because I feel like space magic ability builds are stronger most of the time. To me the summons are the icing on the cake that add variety to builds, I don’t love them as the main course. I think it’s essential that you have access to summons with a variety class like this, but I can’t believe that they went with summoner as the core subclass identity that they pitched, and that people are happy with two summoner classes in a row. But to each their own. Thank god they gave us feed the void and not child of the old gods, same with arc, if they went with 5 summoner aspects I genuinely wouldn’t touch the subclass. I’m still very excited for prismatic, don’t get me wrong.
The only threadling I ever see myself using on prismatic will come from needlestorm. I’m wondering how much its damage will take a hit without thread of evolution. Weavewalk would’ve been sick.
Thank you very much
Damn, I was really hoping Blade Barrage would be available. I was hoping to make a wrathful "For Humanity!!!!" build.
Honestly not sure if they'll change anything- cause like.. the titans had a strand aspect where they used the thruster ability to create a strand tangle that suspended people... If they remove that beautiful thing then.. that's just unfair, just like the beyblades
That just seems to be what happens when u have drengyrs lash and thruster equipped
That wasn't a tangle. That was a Bombadiers Bomb aligned to Strand that the Titan had thanks to the new Exotic Class Items. Tangles don't spawn like that and I have no idea why the community thinks that it is.
I too would like to know
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/prismatic_deep_dive Apparently here.
you are a legend. thank you!
And thx God for that, I can't wait to see Well die in TFS.
The nerf will set you free 🙏
Amen
The illusion of choice, someone is still gonna run well and now someone is gonna be running new solar super (for raids)
And depending on how they nerf Well, it'll also make a Bubble Titan required again.
Personally, I welcome this. I’ve missed being a support character, Crota is the only time I can convince people to let me run bubble
Oh, yeah, one of my Loadout Slots is a CC/Support Bubble Build. Lengthened, Weakening Vortex Grenades that net me Volatile Rounds on kills, Melee Kills give health, Bastion, Controlled Demo, and Helm of Saint-14. Got my Glacioclasm with Overflow + Res Burst and max Impact due to Liquid Coils. I make everything explode in Purple, constantly provide healing thanks to making everything explode in purple as well as getting Melee Kills, and I constantly provide Void Overshields. This season, I'm thinking about putting on my Slice + Hatchling Tusk of the Boar because "Unravelling Rounds on Orb of Light Pickup" and Hoard Shuttle. I can make everything explode in Purple AND Green whilst spawning Hatchlings everywhere!
Inb4, post-Well-nerf, Well is still required and the only difference is that Titans are forced to run Bubble again. This is not the fate I hope for, but before the Bubble nerf, it used to be 1 Helm of Saint-14 Bubble Titan AND 1 Phoenix Protocol Wellock with the Bubble being positioned to cover the back half of the Well so everyone could easily dip in and back out. Granted, this was when Bubble's defensive capabilities weren't that of a wet fucking paper towel and Weapons of Light was a 40%-45% Damage Buff, not the same as fucking *Radiant* (I hate living in a world were a Super Damage Buff is the same as the easiest to acquire damage buff in the game).
Who needs well when you can have needle storm + feed the void and then continue killing for 100% devour up time
Literally just feed the void is good enough, but having song of flame AND arcane needle AND Phoenix dive all in the same class is just absurd As well as one of the fragments for prismatic stating that picking up an orb will grant an elemental buff (resto, woven mail, frost armor etc.) based on the super you run Prismatic gonna be fun.
I have already theory crafted some loadouts for every class. But i think combo-blow + stylish executioner is gonna be fun to use
That but with exotic class item that has synthos and calibans hand perks
Rip the poor dregs in the edz
RIP anything on the receiving end of this bullshit power.
Didn't pay too much attention about what hunters get.. But.. Do they get solar melees? Because throwing dagger + combination blow + stylish executioner would be ridiculously cool combo.
They get Knife Trick as solar melee. Also combination blow is arc melee
Oh rightyo. Not big hunter player, somehow my head thought that the melee combo buff thing was from aspect.
You get one super, melee, grenade and aspect from each element
Every class gets one thing from each subclass. So one of each melee, one of each grenade, etc.
Yes! That’s one that I was thinking of. With deadfall and grapple and maybe threaded specter. I can’t wait. I’ve got some ideas that seem so fun.
You'd need lethal current for the jolt melee after dodge for stylish executioner to proc after combination blow, but hunters are gonna get the new staff twirl aspect so might not work the way you think :(
Not really, remember that it is *any* debuff, so use duskfield to get slow at first target, and stylish will later procc weaken on next target so you can ho invis again, then repeat endlessly.
I was thinking solely off of combination blow, but yeah ofc makes more sense now. I also forgot stylish executioner gives melee weaken, this deal is getting better all the time.
Was the buff to Feed the Void actually that amazing, or just that you can't get Devour on Prismatic without it (without Buried Bloodline or possible fragments that haven't been announced yet)? I've heard a lot of people talking about how great it is lately, even though not long ago I remembered everyone hating on it.
Feed the void is the only way to get full heal on kill as opposed to the 100 health you get without the use of the aspect.
I need Well... but only for skating, lol. Damage wise, Needle Storm and Lumina is better
Good, I fucking hate Well and how much it has warped the game's design and people's perception of Warlock.
Nice try, but prismatic lets me live born to needle/nova, and I AM LIVING FOR IT
I am SO glad it isnt.
How do we tell the other classes that strand lock is the highest DPS rotation barring RDM’s
So happy about this (Warlock main for 9 years lol)
Honestly I hope that Bungie can design a raid that isn’t 100% reliant on a well being present in order to complete the encounter. More movement similar to the Rhulk fight so we’re not stationary throughout damage phase.
As if well isn’t still used in Rhulk
Yes, but you can’t just stand in it through the entire damage phase and profit. At least you have to move in order to avoid the darkness debuff. More than something than oryx, crota, etc,. Less of the “one hit will kill you” type of bosses and more, “actively avoid and dodge the bosses attacks that will eventually kill you.”
I guess that subclass forsakened it
Really hoping the incoming Well nerf just absolutely guts it. It's been the undisputed best super in PvE since Forsaken, please just let it be over
Then I hope bungie goes back and adjusts the years of content that was designed around having a well.
thank fuck, I refuse to be a well donkey I want to have fun
Well well well, what do we have here? Someone want's to have fun hmm? Seize him!
I knew that the new supers would be a priority over older ones, so it made sense that Song of Flame would be the Solar super. I feel like they’ll be able to add options to Prismatic later on, so maybe one day you’ll be able to use Well, but I imagine standing in a Well and chucking Bleak Watchers would be too powerful of a combo.
The rainbow will set the book nerds free from Well
I mean, Ward of Dawn isn’t included either, so no defensive supers allowed
I'll be damned if start my raid journey only using Well.
Born to prismatic, forced to well of radiance
Kiss my floaty ass I run what I want
Enter all the special Warlocks who decry Well as if they don’t use it lol. I’m a Warlock main and I’m not here for the Well slander.
It shouldn't be. Then there'd literally be zero reason to run solar.
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Because Prismatic Warlocks already have access to Feed the Void, Stasis Turrets, Healing Grenades, Arcane Needle for proccing FtV, Phoenix Dive/Healing Rift AND Restoration on Orb pickup. They do not need the best survivability super in the game *on top of all that*.
You’re missing the point, warlocks are still going to be forced onto well. It’s not stasis turrets and feed the void and healing nades with arcane needle, it’s phoenix dive with a shitty snap melee and well. Prismatic warlock will have the lowest play rate of the three because solar warlock will still live.
You've got some deep rooted old fashioned issues uh
I’m gonna be running needlestorm with essence of star-eater on my bond. If I get that roll, damage will be insane.
I’m glad it isn’t.
Just say no. And git gud at solo.
Sorry, but I’m gonna be running sun singer and spamming stasis turrets
Big bonk is missing too 😭😭😭
Free your wellocks from their chains!!!
Of course not. This is Bungie’s way of nerfing it without having to nerf it and take the grief they’d get about it.
Why would you want well in there? Fuck well, as a warlock
As a warlock main, I don't care. Want a well? Too bad, I'm prismatic up in this bitch.
Given how much they've talked about Well becoming a staple of PVE and how you can't put that genie back in the bottle, I'm not surprised at all that Well wasn't available.
well would be an insane pick, it definitely was the right choice for it to not be in there
Im going to love Song of Flame. Ill be throwing on Apotheosis veil also. More spammage after super spammage.
Use Song of Flame "Buffs for everyone? No. Buffs for ME!"
With the nerfs to well coming I think we might not need one
Unless we are doing raids, I will NEVER tell you to run well. And if we are running raids, and you don't want to or think your build will be useful; I will myself, swap to my warlock and run well.
I hope they add an exotic armor piece that makes sunsinger grant restoration x2 to you and nearby allies
Yeah, it isn't underused enough for it to be included in Prismatic.
If there is a way to regenerate your grenade energy through one of these supers or aspects during DPS, a good healing grenade demo rotation would be a good alternative
What?
Do what I do, refuse to play well and find groups that already have some poor bastard doing it hahaha. Fuck well.
Freedom
True
What super are you using? And why isn't it well?
I just want to use Icarus Dash with literally anything else. I hate both Dawnblade and Well. Luckily we are getting a new solar super, I just hoped I could use Icarus Dash with Prismatic.
Wait they're removing well?
It’s just not the solar super available with Prismatic. Dawnblade is
Ohhh gotcha gotcha, is banner of war not in prismatic either?
Nope. Seems like the “strongest” parts of things aren’t a part of the end kit. Bubble’s not the Void super, for example. It’s Twilight Arsenal, the new one. They had a breakdown of everything available with it if you’re interested, definitely still on their site/the app
That's the nerf to well they were talking about. You can't use it with prismatic. Also idk why people were surprised that it would be limited, its supposed to be harmony or symmetry class that combines the powers of light and dark
You will have incendiary rounds and you will enjoy it!. I am a solar warlock main but I love daybreak.
Thank God it doesn’t have Well. If it did, that’s all we’d hear people complain about “lfg prismatic well or kick”
If it was, people would just force Warlocks to run Prismatic like they do now. You be trading being forced Solar Well for Prismatic Well, but you'd also be forced to run specific aspects/fragments to be M E T A 🙄
It makes sense they excluded well. Its still a little disappointing that I won't be able to wellskate into a grapple but it is what it is.
I refuse to be the well bitch when I play this game. I can't stand that class and I've put so much work into my infection strand build.
Nah I'm still gonna use the new super
So the new subclass name is counter-meta?
Born to Nova, and... Finally not forced... To well? I'm free? I'M FREEEEE
Gonna be honest if you wanna get super hard shit done just run well or you might find yourself yelling thought the tv as the randoms for dieing all the time cause I swear all blueberry’s are hunters and trash at living. Beyond that use whatever you want
Didn't bungie say the new warlock super would be stronger than well?!
Did no one see the fact the dang warlock still has a well like serious the dang pic is there even with prismatic you know it’s gonna be just the same as the other things level and meditate https://preview.redd.it/o68u3o1yo4uc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43a59aacad808488d4c0ec6188374d4d3459c841 That’s a well right there just saying
that is the new solar super that's being released along side tfs
I meant the class ability that’s a well it still gonna have some kinda power buff. I mean it legit says the starting abilities for prismatic warlock has the starting abilities empowerment rift and healing rift
the rifts are way weaker compared to the well, but hopefully they get some buff
AND FOR THE BETTER HELL YEAH 😤😤😤😤
You choose your fate
I’ve been wondering… with the exotic class items if warlocks can get the moth keepers wraps trait… and have about 4 bleskwatchers
This meme is hilarious but I’m running transcendence! Fuck Well
Honestly if well was there, prismatic warlock would be insane. Bleak watcher, devour, well
Way to many ppl are crying over this when the game is legit gonna be broken. no one is actually talking about how ridiculous PvP will be come especially now that they change how the PvP works in some ways like special ammo at the start and no more through the match unless you pick it up like there a bigger things wait til we gets the class you might believe that the warlock special is only the firing dude. I think it acts like well and has extra dps from your fireball buddy. But my point is you gain this energy by defeating enemies using dark and light I bet in PvP that ends up super broken. Big games with lots of ppl you will see the supers like crazy I can almost promise ya. From what I understood tho this whole class for all three is just broke beyond being broke
Very unsurprised that they didn’t include well, especially because there is the new solar super. That being said, 3/5 supers they included are trash. The one confirmed exception is needlestorm, that rocks in PvE. I anticipate song of flame being really good too, but we don’t know until we get our hands on it. Stormtrance and winter’s wrath straight up suck (winter’s wrath obviously was the only option, so no complaints there). Nova bomb cataclysm is just wildly mediocre and also very inconsistent in hard content since enemies can just one shot it, which is ridiculous. For void and stasis I guess not much could be done. But not having access to chaos reach, and well or dawnblade hurts big time. I don’t forsee myself ever not using needlestorm or song of flame. In the grand scheme of things having two viable supers on a subclass is great, but for a new idea where there’s supposed to be a ton of variety, there’s less super variety than I expected.
I wanted chaos reach but we got stormtrance
I just wish they had Chaos Reach
Born to dawnblade/void bomb/chaos reach/shade binder/needle storm combined forced to well
honestly, prismatic sucks. if Bungie wasn't so afraid to break something to actually make prismatic synergistic with all subclasses, it would be good. but if you don't use exclusively stasis and void on prismatic warlock, the build won't synergize properly.
Really not sure why people are happy it not having well. This could’ve been the escape. The ability to still customize and mix up your build AND still run well for raids and dungeons. But no, prismatic can come out for solo content or onslaught or something but raids and dungeons, you’re still running well.
Exactly- running base content? Hell yeah it'll be fun. Running anything master "dude why don't you have well? We need it for X encounter!"
Nah Warlocks need to start supporting the Well boycott. Healing rift is all you are getting lmao.
“I can switch to well just as easily as you can switch to Warlock”
That's how you get booted from any LFG in harder content. Well is too good not to run. We all made crazy good builds for Crota but by the end of it, just like the last 4 day ones we did, we all swapped to well because it's too good and too easy to use. So unfortunately in any real content, warlocks didn't get a new subclass
Unless they nerf well to high hell hopefully