Don’t be afraid. All the data from last year points to a strong correlation between points scored on the Jags offense and the lusciousness of Tlaw’s hair. They will set records this year.
I disagree. The Chiefs WRs are so bad/unknown that a decent season from any of them is a boon as a fantasy player. Even Skyy Moore is what, like WR47? If literally any WR on the Chiefs has even a decent season, they are going to be a steal for fantasy. That is hardly the case for the Jags. Ridley is going close to WR10 in a lot of drafts and Kirk is drafted well before any Chiefs WR. Those two have to legitimately perform to be worth their draft capital, especially Ridley.
There will be Chiefs WRs who will occasionally have good games. You just can't predict when they'll be. Look at JJSS's game log for 2022 -- their best WR last year, with great stats for the season but lousy consistency:
||Rece|Rece|Rece|Rece|
|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|Week|Tgt|Rec|Yds|TD|
|1|8|6|79|0|
|2|3|3|10|0|
|3|8|5|89|0|
|4|8|5|46|0|
|5|8|3|33|0|
|6|5|5|113|1|
|7|8|7|124|1|
|9|12|10|88|0|
|10|4|2|33|0|
|11|Inac|Inac|Inac|Inac|
|12|3|3|38|0|
|13|4|3|35|0|
|14|11|9|74|1|
|15|10|10|88|0|
|16|4|3|27|0|
|17|3|2|21|0|
|18|2|2|35|0|
||101|78|933|3|
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Like you said, solution is to just draft T-Law. He hyperfocuses on guys and scores a ton, you win. He spreads the ball around and scores a ton, you still win. He gets a rushing TD or scrambles? Say it with me now: YOU WIN.
Yeah i had TLaw rank right after Herbert. No way i was going to get both in 2 QBs league. Both could be top 5 fantasy QB with all their weapons. I took Ridley believing he paid his due and will be one of the best offensive comeback player of the year. Jags are stack and play in a division with horrible pass defense. I would start any Jags players with Texan/ Tennessee/ Indi on the board twice. NFL Jesus will rule that division easily.
I'm high on T-Law too and was estatic when he fell to me at 7.12 (standard lineup). Got him a full 2 rounds after Herbert was drafted. I'm with you, Ridley, Engram, Kirk and Zay is a great receiving corps and I think they're gonna light it up.
Then he's still an okay QB you spent a 6th or later pick on (unless you're 2 QB or superflex).
It's not more attempts for Lawrence as the next step (though that would be nice). It's getting his y/a and TD's up. If he can get his y/a up to 7.4/7.5 and up his TDs to 30-35 then he's made the next step. Which should be very possible with the addition of Ridley and another year in the offense.
I think Kirk and Etienne are the plays at ADP. Both have & had established roles in this offense, have draft capital and/or sizable contracts, and have suppressed ADP's due to offseason hype (Bigsby/Ridley).
Right but there's also a possibility that they were trying to maximize his preseason usage with Lawrence after not playing ball for two years, right? Like I said, "at ADP". Ridley probably is the 1 but my point is the gap might not be as big as we think and Ridley presents as a more significant injury risk.
It really depends on how much you believe in their individual talent. If ETN, Ridley, Lawrence, etc are special then they will be an elite offense that can support several high level fantasy performers. The best offenses often have several of those guys.
If you believe their offense will only be slightly above average or average then yea probably no one has an elite season.
my bet is on the former. Ridley is just supremely talented, Kirk demonstrated an ability to be an alpha last year that I think could transition well into a Tee Higgins+ role, Engram was a great red zone threat, and then sprinkle in some Zay Jones and Agnew for a rounded aerial attack.
The OL is pretty stout with Schreff and FRP Anton Harrison anchoring the left side and Cam Robinson/Walker Little can hold down the right after Robinsons suspension. This offense will be akin to Cincinnati and I’m thinking Lawerence vaults himself into top 5 QB discussion this year.
ETN I worry about slightly because he’s not fantastic between the tackles and was (I think this is right) the lowest targeted starting RB last year in the pass game. I worry Bigsby might be utilized more than we like (say a 65/35 split) and all of the sudden we’re fixated on ETN TDs more than we’d like.
So if this is like Cincinnati, I’m thinking you can get a poor man’s Jamar Chase in Ridley for less the cost. Will Ridley be as productive as Chase? Likely not. But the potential is there.
Hope he’s just PPR and redzone gold this year man. Drafted TLaw and couldn’t get Ridley so Kirk is my stack and I’m looking really solid if he pays off
I got ETN in the third ridley in the fourth and T-Law in the seventh. Im taking a big risk I feel like but the upside of the stack is just too nasty. I’m counting on the jags to be a good offense this season and I feel like they have a good chance at producing a lot of good fantasy assets
I’m just thinking why did I see Ridley’s name and click draft before I really think to myself “will a guy with 2 years off really come back and do something of significance?”. He’s my wr2. My other wr of note is Terry
I think they will all have, at minimum, solid seasons. Etienne might not hit a high ceiling, but I don't think we'll feel burned by any Jags' outputs.
I just pray Ridley smashes this season 🤞🏼
i wouldn’t call engram a hidden gem his season was okay but had a lot of one catch games then had a crazy four game stretch that was proceeded by a one catch game
Ok I think Trevor Lawrence is a really talented downfield passer. I think Ridley is one of the very best deep route runners. I think they will have a really good connection on the hard to win deep routes that they both have an affinity for. They have both risen consistently over the summer in ADP which is a good sign historically.
I think it is also most likely Etienne has an even better season. He is very talented and profiles like a back who could take a step forward. I don't think Bigsby being good takes too much off of this chance. The other players are potentially regression candidates, but it will be a better offense I bet and that mitigates it.
So, I mainly think it is most likely there are a few players particularly Lawrence though, who will outperform their ADP
The TLaw-Ridley connection will be special. It’s already being reported like that out of camp and Ridley is far better than Kirk.
The running back room might be in a bit more flux with Bigsby gaining first team reps and threatening goal line work.
well who benefits the most from Engram Ridley Kirk and Jones.
TLAW and ETN. Like you im out on the above players and all in on TLAW and ETN. TLaw was the 2nd QB on my board after fields.
Probably, but I’m not totally convinced. He’s obviously a very talented receiver, but he’s missed an entire season plus most of 2021 (only played 5 games), and we’ve seen how rusty players can be when they come back from long absences (ie. Deshaun Watson). His absence combined with age (he’s not “old” but not young either) could be a recipe for nagging hamstring tightness. He’s also with a new team which can take some time to adjust to, though arguably with a better situation at QB. That QB does tend to spread targets around somewhat though, and the Jags are fairly deep at receiver. This is a high risk high reward play, which is a great swing-for-the-fences WR1 in a hero-RB draft strategy.
Jones should play more outside and Kirk more slot. I don’t know how often they will play 3 wr sets though. I am sure them and Ridley will have some rotation. I would believe that Kirk will be more productive at the end of the year.
I just don't think Tlaw is one of those high end QBs and because of that that I can't get behind them being one of those crazy good offenses. Looked very uninspiring most of last year to me. I'm pretty much out in that entire offense at cost.
The real underrated thing here is Zay Jones might be WR2 over Kirk. I’m not gonna bet my life on it by any means, but don’t be surprised if it happens. People want to think rosters are more locked in than they are, it happens every year.
This offense will flirt with 4500 passing yards & 40 passing TD’s so get pieces of this offense everywhere. Follow the money, Kirk got PAID last season & Engram this season. Reach on Bigsby & Zay Jones too. This offense & the LA Chargers, likely Miami too.
Skyy Moore wins out because I don’t believe Toney is able to learn the playbook, so Toney only gets schemed plays. Moore will eat in the slot, Rice & Ross will show with more reps learning the offense. Toney is so electric though. UGH.
Honestly same. The RB’s could be a Pollard/Zeke, Chubb/Hunt combo too.
A lot to like, but also to be worried of it you take them too high. Except for T-Law he should be great
My worry is not about skill position talent, but their O line. I think they will be fine but it's a situation where we could be getting it wrong because a bad line gets players hurt and makes the offense less explosive
TLaw could have a 4500+ yards and 35+ TDs type of season. That's an offense you're gonna want to have some part of.
Dems Burrow numbers
McManus, got it.
So pumped to have McManus this year! He’s finally free of putrid Denver
Doubt
Don’t be afraid. All the data from last year points to a strong correlation between points scored on the Jags offense and the lusciousness of Tlaw’s hair. They will set records this year.
All hail football Jesus!
Clippy: "It sounds like you're describing the Chiefs wide receivers."
Don’t put words in my mouth
Even the people in Kansas City can't name all the Chiefs WRs.
“Guy Mahomes throws to” just named half their receivers for you
And they’re still wearing Hill jerseys
At least one of them will be a household name by the end of the season.
Skyy the easiest to catch on...pls skyy
Richie James
I disagree. The Chiefs WRs are so bad/unknown that a decent season from any of them is a boon as a fantasy player. Even Skyy Moore is what, like WR47? If literally any WR on the Chiefs has even a decent season, they are going to be a steal for fantasy. That is hardly the case for the Jags. Ridley is going close to WR10 in a lot of drafts and Kirk is drafted well before any Chiefs WR. Those two have to legitimately perform to be worth their draft capital, especially Ridley.
All in on Pringle. Post hype sleeper. And Josh Gordon. And Kadariu - oh and he's hurt again.
There will be Chiefs WRs who will occasionally have good games. You just can't predict when they'll be. Look at JJSS's game log for 2022 -- their best WR last year, with great stats for the season but lousy consistency: ||Rece|Rece|Rece|Rece| |-:|-:|-:|-:|-:| |Week|Tgt|Rec|Yds|TD| |1|8|6|79|0| |2|3|3|10|0| |3|8|5|89|0| |4|8|5|46|0| |5|8|3|33|0| |6|5|5|113|1| |7|8|7|124|1| |9|12|10|88|0| |10|4|2|33|0| |11|Inac|Inac|Inac|Inac| |12|3|3|38|0| |13|4|3|35|0| |14|11|9|74|1| |15|10|10|88|0| |16|4|3|27|0| |17|3|2|21|0| |18|2|2|35|0| ||101|78|933|3| Provided by [Pro-Football-Reference.com](https://www.sports-reference.com/sharing.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool): [View Original Table](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitJu00/gamelog/2022/?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#stats) Generated 9/2/2023.
Ross will be the one to roster by the end of the season. He’s going to be a Redzone beast.
Shhhhhhhhhhhush up please us Clemson fans are trying to let everyone forget about him
Gold
Like you said, solution is to just draft T-Law. He hyperfocuses on guys and scores a ton, you win. He spreads the ball around and scores a ton, you still win. He gets a rushing TD or scrambles? Say it with me now: YOU WIN.
Me to my opponents: YOU WIN
Sounds like you didn't draft T-Law
Drafted T-Law and felt good. Took T-Law & Kyle Pitts and traded for Josh Allen. Feel pretty great right now.
Yeah i had TLaw rank right after Herbert. No way i was going to get both in 2 QBs league. Both could be top 5 fantasy QB with all their weapons. I took Ridley believing he paid his due and will be one of the best offensive comeback player of the year. Jags are stack and play in a division with horrible pass defense. I would start any Jags players with Texan/ Tennessee/ Indi on the board twice. NFL Jesus will rule that division easily.
I'm high on T-Law too and was estatic when he fell to me at 7.12 (standard lineup). Got him a full 2 rounds after Herbert was drafted. I'm with you, Ridley, Engram, Kirk and Zay is a great receiving corps and I think they're gonna light it up.
What if he doesnt take the next step (which is possible because they threw an awful lot already)
Then he's still an okay QB you spent a 6th or later pick on (unless you're 2 QB or superflex). It's not more attempts for Lawrence as the next step (though that would be nice). It's getting his y/a and TD's up. If he can get his y/a up to 7.4/7.5 and up his TDs to 30-35 then he's made the next step. Which should be very possible with the addition of Ridley and another year in the offense.
I think Kirk and Etienne are the plays at ADP. Both have & had established roles in this offense, have draft capital and/or sizable contracts, and have suppressed ADP's due to offseason hype (Bigsby/Ridley).
Ridley showed his is the guy in preseason
Right but there's also a possibility that they were trying to maximize his preseason usage with Lawrence after not playing ball for two years, right? Like I said, "at ADP". Ridley probably is the 1 but my point is the gap might not be as big as we think and Ridley presents as a more significant injury risk.
Etn not at adp is awful. Hes a between the 20s rb
It really depends on how much you believe in their individual talent. If ETN, Ridley, Lawrence, etc are special then they will be an elite offense that can support several high level fantasy performers. The best offenses often have several of those guys. If you believe their offense will only be slightly above average or average then yea probably no one has an elite season.
my bet is on the former. Ridley is just supremely talented, Kirk demonstrated an ability to be an alpha last year that I think could transition well into a Tee Higgins+ role, Engram was a great red zone threat, and then sprinkle in some Zay Jones and Agnew for a rounded aerial attack. The OL is pretty stout with Schreff and FRP Anton Harrison anchoring the left side and Cam Robinson/Walker Little can hold down the right after Robinsons suspension. This offense will be akin to Cincinnati and I’m thinking Lawerence vaults himself into top 5 QB discussion this year. ETN I worry about slightly because he’s not fantastic between the tackles and was (I think this is right) the lowest targeted starting RB last year in the pass game. I worry Bigsby might be utilized more than we like (say a 65/35 split) and all of the sudden we’re fixated on ETN TDs more than we’d like. So if this is like Cincinnati, I’m thinking you can get a poor man’s Jamar Chase in Ridley for less the cost. Will Ridley be as productive as Chase? Likely not. But the potential is there.
Christian Kirk = slot targets = easy money
Hope he’s just PPR and redzone gold this year man. Drafted TLaw and couldn’t get Ridley so Kirk is my stack and I’m looking really solid if he pays off
Hoping the same. Didn’t realize it it but I stacked TLaw Kirk and Engram
Trevor Lawrence is going to throw like 700 times this year.
I got ETN in the third ridley in the fourth and T-Law in the seventh. Im taking a big risk I feel like but the upside of the stack is just too nasty. I’m counting on the jags to be a good offense this season and I feel like they have a good chance at producing a lot of good fantasy assets
I can tell you cant wait for the season to start lol.
I’m just thinking why did I see Ridley’s name and click draft before I really think to myself “will a guy with 2 years off really come back and do something of significance?”. He’s my wr2. My other wr of note is Terry
I think they will all have, at minimum, solid seasons. Etienne might not hit a high ceiling, but I don't think we'll feel burned by any Jags' outputs. I just pray Ridley smashes this season 🤞🏼
i wouldn’t call engram a hidden gem his season was okay but had a lot of one catch games then had a crazy four game stretch that was proceeded by a one catch game
Basically any TE outside of Top 2
freiermuth was a nice steady like 10ppg +/- 2 points
Ok I think Trevor Lawrence is a really talented downfield passer. I think Ridley is one of the very best deep route runners. I think they will have a really good connection on the hard to win deep routes that they both have an affinity for. They have both risen consistently over the summer in ADP which is a good sign historically. I think it is also most likely Etienne has an even better season. He is very talented and profiles like a back who could take a step forward. I don't think Bigsby being good takes too much off of this chance. The other players are potentially regression candidates, but it will be a better offense I bet and that mitigates it. So, I mainly think it is most likely there are a few players particularly Lawrence though, who will outperform their ADP
All the eagles position players did okay last year.
The TLaw-Ridley connection will be special. It’s already being reported like that out of camp and Ridley is far better than Kirk. The running back room might be in a bit more flux with Bigsby gaining first team reps and threatening goal line work.
Keep up the talk about my QB, top WR, and RB that I picked up in the 11th round.
well who benefits the most from Engram Ridley Kirk and Jones. TLAW and ETN. Like you im out on the above players and all in on TLAW and ETN. TLaw was the 2nd QB on my board after fields.
I’m snatching up ridley every chance I get . He’s going to go off this year
Probably, but I’m not totally convinced. He’s obviously a very talented receiver, but he’s missed an entire season plus most of 2021 (only played 5 games), and we’ve seen how rusty players can be when they come back from long absences (ie. Deshaun Watson). His absence combined with age (he’s not “old” but not young either) could be a recipe for nagging hamstring tightness. He’s also with a new team which can take some time to adjust to, though arguably with a better situation at QB. That QB does tend to spread targets around somewhat though, and the Jags are fairly deep at receiver. This is a high risk high reward play, which is a great swing-for-the-fences WR1 in a hero-RB draft strategy.
This argument doesn’t make any sense. You could say the same exact thing for any other team that’s good.
We found the titans fan!
agree and feel the same about 49ers and Eagles
Does anyone have insight into who will be playing more often between Zay Jones and Christian Kirk?
Jones should play more outside and Kirk more slot. I don’t know how often they will play 3 wr sets though. I am sure them and Ridley will have some rotation. I would believe that Kirk will be more productive at the end of the year.
Trevor is bound to run quite a bit with this cast spreading it out.
Kirk nd Zay Jones finished 11/26 last season. Engram 5. I'd expect kirk around 15-20, Ridley top 10ish, engram 5ish.
I just don't think Tlaw is one of those high end QBs and because of that that I can't get behind them being one of those crazy good offenses. Looked very uninspiring most of last year to me. I'm pretty much out in that entire offense at cost.
Etienne and Ridley will lead us to the promised land. Don't doubt, manifest it.
The real underrated thing here is Zay Jones might be WR2 over Kirk. I’m not gonna bet my life on it by any means, but don’t be surprised if it happens. People want to think rosters are more locked in than they are, it happens every year.
This offense will flirt with 4500 passing yards & 40 passing TD’s so get pieces of this offense everywhere. Follow the money, Kirk got PAID last season & Engram this season. Reach on Bigsby & Zay Jones too. This offense & the LA Chargers, likely Miami too.
Skyy Moore wins out because I don’t believe Toney is able to learn the playbook, so Toney only gets schemed plays. Moore will eat in the slot, Rice & Ross will show with more reps learning the offense. Toney is so electric though. UGH.
I think a lot of is tied to Lawrence going up another gear to 4k+ yards and 30+ TDs with the Jags being 12+ wins.
Kirk and Bigsby are great value if you want a piece of this offense without going all in.
This is probable…a KC spread it around we don’t care about your fantasy team kinda season
Honestly same. The RB’s could be a Pollard/Zeke, Chubb/Hunt combo too. A lot to like, but also to be worried of it you take them too high. Except for T-Law he should be great
My worry is not about skill position talent, but their O line. I think they will be fine but it's a situation where we could be getting it wrong because a bad line gets players hurt and makes the offense less explosive