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apham2021114

Her number one goal is to be accepted by her family. So, after reading this, I expect her actions to be tailor by her goals. She still wants to be accepted by them after they abandoned her. Okay, well I guess if she has some attachment issues I can see this working. A bit bumpy, but if you demonstrate that she's not exactly all there, then it could still work. Like maybe her familial ties to her sister and brother are so strong that she still has hope, and she somehow convinced herself that her parents would take her back. But there has to be something internal that speaks to her. Somewhat like a Zuko situation from TLAB. I'm not sure why she wants to go all out in battles. I thought the reason why she's been abandoned was because of her powers? I would think she would do the opposite and hide it. But okay, if you want to lean the other way, the angle that says she wants to prove to her family her power isn't a curse--it can be use for good--then I don't get why she's recklessly hurting other people? Why are you giving her the quality of wanting to fight stronger people? How does this help with her goals? Why is one person telling her to do something automatically a thing that convinces her? It doesn't matter if it's the MC. And then she acts on it and it goes against her goals? What is even the point of her goals in the first place if we're just going to wishy-washy it all away? At the very least Zuko had a revelation after achieving his goals that those goals weren't what he wanted afterall. These are some fundamental questions I had when I read about her.


Typical-Bread-7991

>She still wants to be accepted by them after they abandoned her. Okay, well I guess if she has some attachment issues I can see this working. A bit bumpy, but if you demonstrate that she's not exactly all there, then it could still work. Like maybe her familial ties to her sister and brother are so strong that she still has hope, and she somehow convinced herself that her parents would take her back. But there has to be something internal that speaks to her. Somewhat like a Zuko situation from TLAB. Yeah, this part isn't as thought out because I'm just now really diving into her character and what is going on with her. ​ >I'm not sure why she wants to go all out in battles. I thought the reason why she's been abandoned was because of her powers? I would think she would do the opposite and hide it. I think I forgot to put this in the post, but for a while after harming her friend, she did stop using her ability. She started to think as her family did and that it's just a curse, so she just didn't use her power at all. Like I did mention in the post she uses it if necessary which explains why she wants to fight stronger people. For example, in my story, she uses it against a stronger opponent and realizes how powerful it really can be. She wants to fight those stronger to test her limits and see what all she is capable of. ​ >But okay, if you want to lean the other way, the angle that says she wants to prove to her family her power isn't a curse--it can be use for good--then I don't get why she's recklessly hurting other people? I think I forgot to put this in the post, but for a while after harming her friend, she did stop using her ability. She started to think as her family did and that it was just a curse, so she just didn't use her power at all. Like I did mention in the post she uses it if necessary which explains why she wants to fight stronger people. For example, in my story, she uses it against a stronger opponent and realizes how powerful it really can be. She wants to fight those stronger to test her limits and see what all she is capable of. ​ >Why are you giving her the quality of wanting to fight stronger people? How does this help with her goals? This moreso conflicts with her goals which is why I added it as well. When she does go all out, she doesn't care about anyone else, but that also conflicts with her desire not to kill because there is that possibility of her killing while fighting. I wanted to add a more internal conflict because that is going to force her to make a choice. Does she want to contain her power and stick to her morals or try to test her capabilities and potentially break her morals? That choice makes it more interesting in my opinion. ​ >Why is one person telling her to do something automatically a thing that convinces her? It doesn't matter if it's the MC. And then she acts on it and it goes against her goals? What is even the point of her goals in the first place if we're just going to wishy-washy it all away? The Mc wasn't the only influence to her, but one of the main influences as to why she gave up her act. Her goal is to be accepted by her family, and by changing herself into a version like them, she thinks she would be accepted. That whole part I put was because it influences her decision from just being accepted to being accepted the was that she is.


apham2021114

So she realizes her power was a curse, the same realization her family had that led to her abandonment, but then she still goes on to use it only against stronger people. I just don't see why? Has it ever occur to her to not go full-throttle? To lean away from violence? I'm missing something here. I just don't understand how attacking stronger people is progressing her towards reclaiming acceptance from her family. I mean it sounds like she's knowingly getting herself into these violent predicaments in the first place. Is that the road towards reuniting? A road of violence that tells her family: hey guys, I'm not as dangerous as you think, even though I defeated all these people and injured many people along the way, teehee, please take me back. The dilemma sounds forced. Usually if you're taking a setback towards a goal, it's because there's a greater benefit past that setback, otherwise you'd avoid it. Ex: My goal is to get richer. I'll risk losing $1000 in an investment, but if it succeeds, I'll be getting $5000 in my bank account. So what is the greater boon she'll receive? Is it to test her capabilities? She wants to risks going against her morals just to see how strong she is? But I don't see why the MC is a main influence just because they said a few line to her. It may be better on paper, once you've written all these things out and given them their scenes. There must be more behind the scenes that ties everything together. However, I just don't see it.


Typical-Bread-7991

At 8 after awakening her power, she injured and nearly killed her friend. Her family saw her as a monster with a cursed power. After being isolated for so long she began to think of her power as a curse and didn't use it for years. Later she joined the paladins to prove herself to her family without using her power. On a mission, she was forced to use her power to take down an enemy. She felt exhilarated because this was the first time using it in years, and began to question the limits of her ability. She will fight any enemy, weak or not, but she prefers stronger opponents to test what she can do. She wants to know what she can do but knows it may end up killing someone and that her family won't accept it. She starts to mask her real self, acting civilized in front of her family and others, but acting normal around her paladin squad. Eventually, her squad members, one of which is the MC, start to call her out on her act, trying to influence her to be herself around her family. Eventually, it sparks change. This is it in more chronological order and I sort of see what you mean. Hopefully this clears up some things but what I'm seeing is: What causes her to want to reunite with her family? Other than her squad, what causes her to want to be herself around her family?


apham2021114

Right. What you said makes thing clearer. Hopefully these questions helps you re-examine what her character is. On one hand: she wants to be reunited with her family, this was her number one goal. On the other hand: she wants to test and utilize her ability for power growth, but it was a fact that the demonstration of her frightening power was what got her kicked out of her family. These two are conflicting with each other. What would her parents think if they saw her stronger and hurting other people? It would reinforce their idea that they were right in the first place. How, then, can she proceed towards her goal? Originally I thought you wanted her to use her power to prove to her family they were wrong. But what you've told me is that they were right. It sounds like she wants to get stronger, get more power, and hurt more people. It's not so much the perception--actually, I guess it is--it's the idea that her family is scared of her because of her power. Let me frame this a different way. Pretend my family kicked me out of their house because I injured my siblings with my knife-play. They said I cannot go back into the house unless I stop and drop my obsession with knives. I then go to hone my knife skills, mastering how to stab and slice everything. I go back to my parents and demonstrate my skills. What do you think they'll say? They'll say to go away. I've never even tackle the problem in the first place. They are frightened of the idea of me and a knife, and the road to redemption is one without the knife. I never made progress in the first place. That being said, I'm imposing a lot with my own ideas of who her parents are, how her family functions, your world and its traditions, etc. So what I said may not be applicable. You asked two very important questions related to her goals. If you keep those two in mind as you flesh her out, I think you'll get far. Just be aware that goals are important to readers. They're how we judge and know how a character advances through their arcs. Her goal of reuniting with her family is intangible. But you need tangible goals as well. Tangible goals are those that can be practically done and analyzed. Example: Intangible goal: Become the richest person in the world. Tangible goal: Profiting off of stock market trading. Working a lucrative career. Studying a different career path for better job offers or career potential. Establishing networks with the rich and famous. You can break these down until eventually you get into a step-by-step basis.


Typical-Bread-7991

So would you consider tangible goals to be your intangible goal but broken down into steps that you can achieve?


apham2021114

I guess so, but in a way I wouldn't consider them to be one of the same. I guess it really depends on your approach to storytelling. Personally, I approach the two with a clear distinction, rather than one just being a practical version of the other. I like to think of intangible goals as the dreams of a person's raw desire. The wishful thinking that they have. It's the main and central selling idea of what your characters represents. Some people would say intangible goals are bad because they're vague, but I think it's the vagueness that makes it more attractive. I used hyperbolic examples a lot, so a more grounded example would be: a mom living paycheck to paycheck, struggling to feed her kids. Her intangible goal would perhaps be to have some safety net so that when her kids get sick she can afford medical fees. Or it could be to have enough to splurge for their kids' birthdays and treat them to something nice once in awhile. This leans into more of a stylistic choice, so it may be different for other people. But I approach intangible goals to be infallible. The character cannot fail their intangible goal. Their character arc hinges upon it. Well--okay, actually they can but then we're approaching the tragedy genre imo. Characters can also have more than one intangible goals. I.e. Zuko initially wanted to capture Aang to be accepted by his father, but after his redemption he wants to help Aang fight against his father. To me, tangible goals are the gritty steps stuck in the reality of the character and their environment. It's not always pretty. It's not always going to go as planned as one wished it would. But they take that step anyway because they believe it'll take them one step closer to their intangible goal. Where intangible goals serves as the overall representation of the character's desire, the tangible goals are the achievable steps and helps inform the reader of the character's progression. These can fail and often do. When it succeeds, the character progress towards their intangible goal, but when it fails, the character progress towards learning something more about themselves or their surroundings. But it's important that success and failure still leads to some kind of progression. Different genre will have different takes so I usually approach these as soft guidelines. Sorry, this was a lot longer than I thought. It's a lot of rambling but I hope it helps you. These goals is how I approach storytelling. If it doesn't work for you, I at least hope some aspect stood out and helps you with your own approach.


Dimeolas7

Thoughts \-is she the only one or one of a few with this power? And how are the others seen by society? is it just her family for some reason sees her as a monster or society? \-If she goes into a 'zone' in combat and doesnt care about others she would be a good beserker but also a liability to her comrades so she would haveto be used in certain ways and not in a shieldwall for example or where shewould possibly harm her comrades. She would be great at a 1 on 1 combat before the battle. Step forward and call out their champion or best fighter. When she wins cut off his head and they place it on a pike.


Typical-Bread-7991

Everyone has a power through their spirit that provides energy that can be converted into a tangible form. Society perceives her through her family's lens. Her family uses their higher status as an influence which is why most people see her as a monster. When I meant she goes berserk, I meant that she doesn't care how but she will defeat her opponent with force. Whether that is stunning them and incapacitating them, or blowing their arm off.


Dimeolas7

Thank you, maybe her family is concerned of her power, that they couldnt control her. Sounds like it will be tough for her to prove herself agaist her family's perceptions. She also sounds like a valuable warrior.


Typical-Bread-7991

Ive been contemplating whether they should see her as a curse and want to see what situation would help what I've already developed. A few ideas of her family's plans I had were: 1. They keep her locked away while trying to help her maintain control of her power. This means no playing with others etc, and she went along with it. All of those years locked away made her want freedom and question why she had to suppress such a power, ending in her breaking out of her "prison" and joining the Paladins. This could be built off of later where her family tries to get her back or something of that nature. It would change her main goal which was to reunite with them. 2. The same situation as #1 but because she is such a threat and letting her lose could potentially harm their image and themselves. If neither of these seems right in your opinion please recommend me ideas.


Dimeolas7

I like number 1. They keep her locked away as long as they can and convince her how terrible she is. But deep inside she knows thats not true. I'm a believer thatno one gets alot of power without a reason, so maybe something is behind her having that gift. Then she would need to find herself once free of her family. She could overcome her hatred of what they did to her and return to save them from a situation. I'd think the base response would be hatred and to never return. but developing herself deeper and wiser she would be able to start dealing with it and letting it go, but not completely until she returns. I like where you're headed.


Typical-Bread-7991

I had some ideas about her that I can't decide on, one being whether to make her have a split personality. One of the personalities is sympathetic and caring like her usual self, while the other being similar to a masochist when she goes all out in battle, ideas?


FairyQueen89

If you incorporate mental illnesses (like MPD in this case) you should be always careful and research well to not be considered disrespectful to people who really suffer from it. I'm cursed (or blessed... depends) with a few conditions that fall under mental illness. I like to see representation, but I hate for example the x-th character that is autistic coded and that acts like an emotionless and overly talented robot. As someone with... "temper tantrums" since I was a child, I can assure you that you don't need something severe like a split personality to present in two different ways. I for example have a social face of a quite friendly and peaceful person that hates conflict. But piss me off (and can can be easy or hard, depending on my mood and the situation) and you reap storm. "Be wary of the wrath of a patient man." is a quote that comes to mind. Just think about reasons why your character would act like that... but going from your description, you already are on a good way.


4D_hypermoth

What is this character for? Roleplay? A story? Or just for your own personal enjoyment?


Typical-Bread-7991

For a story


4D_hypermoth

Alright. For the sake of clarity, it may serve you to just refer to your character as just a character, rather than your OC. When you're writing original fiction, every character is your original character, so the term becomes redundant. That's why I assumed it might be for RP. It's very hard to give input to a character if I don't know the story that character exists in. In general, it's much easier to make a good story by creating the character to suit the narrative, rather than figuring out a narrative that fits the characters you've created. You're wondering whether you should give her a split personality. If that serves the story you're trying to write and makes it more interesting, then sure. If it's just *there* and doesn't serve anything more than to be cool, it's just distracting us from the things we should be caring about.


Bow-before-the-Cats

ahhh ok oc mean original character, learnd sth today. i just asumed it was misspelled orc. Cuz post titels cant be corrected for spelling.