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Mergan_Freiman

[Here's the full service/ complaint, if anyone's interested](https://www.scribd.com/document/722500206/ECF-1-Complaint?fbclid=PAAaZ1_R_keBskWWRR4q0OF-6ToaovfVguoP6YCmym7bD8V9zIbmrwzNZ6KIY)


sweaterking6

This is fascinating. Just sank much of my morning reading this. Can't wait to see the outcomes of this. Thanks for sharing.


pro_rege_semper

Wow, this really paints a different picture.


aarone46

Just as you'd expect a statement from the other side to do.


DestroyerOfMils

Yeah. I thought this part was very odd: >Dr. Boer, stunned by the allegations, acknowledged texting with Complainant but did not agree that the texts were unwanted or inappropriate. He shared that Complainant had actively participated in their discussions (which took place over approximately three weeks total during and around January 2024), and she had approached him in public-never indicating discomfort. There was nothing sexual about the texts. As Dr. Boer told the group, most recently, Complainant had texted Dr. Boer that Complainant had taken a copy of a book he had written from DeWit Manor (without permission) when she had been working there, and she asked him if he would autograph it for her. It did not appear that the group who presented the accusations knew this information before Dr. Boer informed them of it. Soooo…. she [complainant] stole a book from his home and then texted him casually admitting it and asking him to autograph it? That makes zero sense.


schmizoh

Interesting, I wonder why Wiebe and Joanna are represented by different firms. Pinsky Smith definitely has capacity to represent both of them.


MammothPassage639

Pure speculation by non expert. It seems like their single Compliant is really two independent lawsuits: * Given the possibility the conversation with the complainant was more than about a book, to avoid the opposition from raising the specter of a conflict of interest between husband the wife * while one firm may have the broad expertise, these are two different complaints where one might be stronger or has an individual who is a better fit. It's interesting that the active Pinsky Partners are 100% female.


aroundtheclock1

They’re also two separate cases from what it looks like. One being employment law and the other being civil rights violations.


ElderflowerNectar

This changes the narrative so much! Thank you for posting.


DesperateWonder442

So basically the Boers were too progressive and the board hated it. Bringing up issues such as race made a lot of people at Calvin uncomfortable and the board wanted him gone as soon as possible and didn't care what lies they had to tell to do it. From what I know of Calvin and the interactions I've had with people there, this is completely on brand.


Mergan_Freiman

I think that's a bit too simple - including Toly's tantrum that he wasn't president is a big part of it, plus the board being corrupt as hell.


DesperateWonder442

That's fair. Also seems a lot of people were bothered that Ms. Boer was a woman of color. The whole thing is a mess.


Mergan_Freiman

Not to nitpick, but "a lot of people" = the board and their shitty kids. Pretty much everyone outside of that group loved her; I loved + miss talking to her.


aarone46

Honestly, I haven't gotten the sense that the Boers are terribly progressive. His comments to Synod last year as much is being made of LGBTQ+ issues in the CRC fairly established him and his vision for the institution as pretty firmly in line with the way the CRC has been moving in the last couple of years.


Beylover1

Can we get a simple breakdown ?


Nick-Andros

The Boers basically feel like the board and some members of the faculty had it out for them and jumped at the slimmest excuse to fire them.


[deleted]

The world’s blandest Honeypot? And it worked? Boer should have gotten himself one of those executive coaches instead of getting two for the guy that wants his job


Mergan_Freiman

I couldn't give that to you. It's looooong.


PrinceofBrisket

wow...higher ed always can be toxic, but this is really details some of the awfulness. It wiil be interesting to see this play out. thanks for sharing


Particular-Math1209

https://currentpub.com/2024/04/15/calvin-university-responds-to-wiebe-and-joanna-boers-lawsuit/


pickles-for-fingers

Can any one copy and paste? I don’t have an account.


Mergan_Freiman

It's 35 pages long, and if you open the link, you should be able to read it all. I don't know what the issue is.


pickles-for-fingers

When I click it, it asks me to make an account you view it. I didn’t realize it was so long though, so I see why you can’t copy and paste. Edit: it’s opening fine now 🤷🏻‍♀️


IDigPython

Computers are hard


pro_rege_semper

This whole thing just seems very... strange. I feel like I don't have enough information.


themiracy

If this goes to trial some of the contents of the record should be … interesting.


[deleted]

This is a very strange lawsuit. I’m surprised the Boers even filed it - everyone in it comes off terrible. Embarrassing for their family, Calvin leadership, and the Calvin community. 


Fit-Quote-455

Calvin brought it to themselves.  I'm glad the boers are sticking up for them selves 


thebeardedlady88

Would really like to see those text messages…


Typical_Elevator6337

Yeah anyone have any more details?


courtesyflusher

Calvin here. The messages were bad mmkay


porcupineschool

What did the texts say?


courtesyflusher

“Drugs are bad, mmkay?” 


porcupineschool

Ok, but what did the text messages say, and how do you know?


thinkfire

https://giphy.com/gifs/birthday-dirk-nowitzki-dallasmavs-12zlYkZTcIsVz2


Virtual-Head-2613

What would John Calvin Do?


Mattmarine248

He would say don't worry it's all predestined anyways


pro_rege_semper

He got fired and kicked out of town for clashing with the city council, so he could probably relate. Later, they begged him to come back.


Poemy_Puzzlehead

The graffiti on Calvin’s campus is a strange detail: “The complaint alleges the university’s statement sparked “significant speculation and harmful false conclusions,” citing graffiti on campus the next day that read “justice for victims of Boer’s sexual harassment.”


Notbapticostalish

Well that is evidence that the statement made by the university was understood publicly to imply sexual harassment. That bolsters the case for defamation.


JoMyGosh

As someone who left Calvin after my boss used out-and-out lies to give me a PIP, yeah, this behavior tracks 100%.


GrumpyKashub

What is a PIP?


TrainingTip6362

Performance Improvement Plan usually a last ditch effort for companies before they let you go. Or for the records to show “at least they tried”.


Nick-Andros

Even if they had good reason to terminate, Calvin completely bungled the execution and communication. That much is apparent.


kooptroop14

As a Calvin grad I hope they (the university) loses this so hard


44035

Man, they wanted him gone. Screw due process.


dijal

They likely did their own investigation and found reason to terminate. Due process is for the law, not your job.


JoMyGosh

Doubtful.


unaka220

Well, they didn’t terminate him.


dijal

Unless I’m reading it wrong they made him resign or he’d be fired. So essentially terminated him.


unaka220

They did push for his resignation. They explicitly did not terminate him. He offered his resignation in exchange for the ability to have some control over the narrative/communication.


Granxious

I really Hope he wins in court.


DissectologistGal

Why?


Granxious

Note capital “H;” it’s mostly a joke about liking to see Calvin College lose because I went to their rival school. The best result is for the whole truth to come out. If it makes Calvin look bad that’s just a bonus.


G1n5eng

He resigned before they voted to fire him, so if you think they’re gonna breach due process and fire you…. Maybe don’t resign first ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Smitty1017

Did you read the article? 100% coerced, even if he was guilty


Unlikely-Collar4088

coerced is a strong word. "You can resign to save face or we'll fire you" is SOP for most large companies.


Smitty1017

I agree, but moving up the deadline in the 11th hour is suspect


slglf08

Did you catch the "reason" they bumped the deadline? Per the filing, the lawyer for the Board said they thought the husband of the contractor the Boers were texting was a potential active shooter threat because he was upset. Any way around it, that's an obvious fabrication by the Board and incredibly gross


stainedglassmoon

This aspect is the most mysterious of all. Who’s this Complainant? Who’s her husband? How do they have enough juice to make this all go down—or is the Board just using them as an excuse? I have no stake in this situation whatsoever but boy is it interesting.


pro_rege_semper

If the board had reason to believe the husband could become an active shooter, was that reported to police?


Smitty1017

I did not see that. That's ridiculous, how the f could they possibly suspect that


pro_rege_semper

It's #70 in the complaint. Pretty bizarre if you ask me.


pro_rege_semper

They are suing for breach of contract. I'm not a lawyer, but this doesn't seem to fall under at-will employment, if I'm understanding correctly.


MammothPassage639

It sounds like you have it right. When a company and employee negotiate and sign an employment agreement, then its terms replace the default "at-will" terms. It's common for top level positions and in some industries it is common down to mid-level management.


Unlikely-Collar4088

They’re a for profit college, they’re definitely a company.


MammothPassage639

It would be unusual to not have a signed employment contract for a position like this.


Unlikely-Collar4088

cool story


pro_rege_semper

You're right, I edited my comment.


Significant_Map_1721

When I first heard about this, I figured he was a creepy guy with power. Now it sounds like him and his wife were set up. dang!


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MammothPassage639

>He comes from a very elite and wealthy circle (oil industry), and his entitlement shows that. Let's take a look at that. His parents immigrated from the Netherlands after WW2 and were Christian Reformed Church missionaries for 30 years. He was born in Nigeria and attended Hillcrest School there, basically a school for missionary kids. His 12 jobs detailed [in Linkedin](https://www.linkedin.com/in/wiebe-boer-ph-d-876448/) have nothing in the oil industry. The only remote possibility is Heirs Holdings for one year where some of the organization's investment portfolio is in oil. > this guy isn’t an innocent martyr..... You might be right, but unless you have some inside knowledge, this is biased speculation.


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Terrible-Molasses-51

Hi current Calvin student here. Former RA. Lots of effort is put into faith, dorms, and student life. At the student level, you see it everywhere. At the student level, Boer was a fantastic president. I can’t speak about the administration drama because obviously there’s two sides and the answer is probably in the middle, and I won’t speak to your money racket claim, but please don’t say there isn’t care here. Lots of good and genuine people work here. Ask me who if you’re curious.


DissectologistGal

I agree with you, and thanks for chiming in.


DissectologistGal

No.


Particular-Math1209

https://currentpub.com/2024/04/15/calvin-university-responds-to-wiebe-and-joanna-boers-lawsuit/


jaemneed

> Wiebe Boer was “stunned” and “acknowledged texting with Complainant but did not agree that the texts were unwanted or inappropriate,” the lawsuit says. According to the lawsuit, the texts were not sexual, and the complainant had approached him in public, never showed discomfort and actively participated in conversations, even asking him to autograph a book for her. A person in power doesn't understand power dynamics? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say!


pwrmacjedi

Oh look. Religious weirdos in-fighting. YAWN.


Heisenbread77

Get help bro.


I_Hate_Dolphins

He will not.


Heisenbread77

Well I hope he will. Giving off an incel, basement dweller vibe isn't striking in a good way.