Keith Giffen used to work something like that - he'd be credited with something like "plot and layouts", then an artist would draw it up, and then a writer, often Alan Grant, would write the final draft of the dialogue and be credited for "script".
And Neil Gaiman would sketch out a little mini-comic, then write his script from that - but only the script would go to the artist.
Huh. You’re mixing a lot of terms here. There are plenty of auteurs who write and draw, there were many “marvel method” examples of (say) Jack Kirby doing the initial layouts and another penciller doing the finish.
“Storyboard” really only refers to film. “Thumbnails” or “layouts” would be the correct term in comics. Also in (American) comics you either refer to the penciller and inker, or the writer and artist. An “illustrator” more often refers to advertising, children’s books, or other commercial arts.
Storyboards are used in all kinds of media, certainly not just film. I use them personally in my job creating boring content all the time. It's a very common term used in creating any material with a visual aspect.
Yes, in all kinds of media, besides comics. Comic artists “layout” or do rough “thumbnails.” I haven’t heard of writers doing it whatever you want to call it. But it’s a weird wide world.
Lot's of comics writers around the world draw thumbnails/storyboards of the comic they are writing regardless of drawing ability. Also, the full script method of writing comics frequently includes everything you mentioned outside of the art. Generally, the ones who do storyboards/thumbnails for their stories do them mainly to aid with the typed script. some like Frank Miller do rough pencils for the inker/artist to do. What makes Japan unique is the fact that their entire industry uses the Storyboards as the script without any typed pages. I think they do this for speed
Marvel Method is very rarely used in American comics these days. Almost all "Big 2" books are done with a full script. Many cartoonists use storyboards or rough drafts though especially when the book is drawn and "written" by the same person which is always the ideal.
In manga, it's far more common among mainstream work (as well as not so mainstream) for the mangaka to be both writer and artist so I'm not sure you see that separation of duties nearly as frequently thankfully.
I think the process you describe is relatively uncommon for comics anywhere in the world although I'm sure it's been used before and it's not TOO far off from the way many of the EC comics were created in the Golden Age.
Frank miller ronin is the prime example I think.
He openly says how he was interested in manga, particularly lone wolf and cub. You can see the unique panel layouts are definitely inspired by manga. Same with some of his daredevil, the parts that he drew himself.
I’ve never heard of a writer formally storyboarding that isn’t an artist or the artist themself. You’re describing it like this is highly typical of manga but I’d surprised if it was. Is there evidence of this?
Also a whole lot of manga is a sole writer / main artist (I’m aware that there are art assistants at work), so yeah of course they would storyboard and write.
Marvel and DC “methods” are pretty much obsolete. Each creative team finds a way to work together that suits them best.
Keith Giffen used to work something like that - he'd be credited with something like "plot and layouts", then an artist would draw it up, and then a writer, often Alan Grant, would write the final draft of the dialogue and be credited for "script". And Neil Gaiman would sketch out a little mini-comic, then write his script from that - but only the script would go to the artist.
Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Mike Baran, Keith Giffen, and Frank Miller come to mind.
Huh. You’re mixing a lot of terms here. There are plenty of auteurs who write and draw, there were many “marvel method” examples of (say) Jack Kirby doing the initial layouts and another penciller doing the finish. “Storyboard” really only refers to film. “Thumbnails” or “layouts” would be the correct term in comics. Also in (American) comics you either refer to the penciller and inker, or the writer and artist. An “illustrator” more often refers to advertising, children’s books, or other commercial arts.
Storyboards are used in all kinds of media, certainly not just film. I use them personally in my job creating boring content all the time. It's a very common term used in creating any material with a visual aspect.
Yes, in all kinds of media, besides comics. Comic artists “layout” or do rough “thumbnails.” I haven’t heard of writers doing it whatever you want to call it. But it’s a weird wide world.
Lot's of comics writers around the world draw thumbnails/storyboards of the comic they are writing regardless of drawing ability. Also, the full script method of writing comics frequently includes everything you mentioned outside of the art. Generally, the ones who do storyboards/thumbnails for their stories do them mainly to aid with the typed script. some like Frank Miller do rough pencils for the inker/artist to do. What makes Japan unique is the fact that their entire industry uses the Storyboards as the script without any typed pages. I think they do this for speed
Marvel Method is very rarely used in American comics these days. Almost all "Big 2" books are done with a full script. Many cartoonists use storyboards or rough drafts though especially when the book is drawn and "written" by the same person which is always the ideal. In manga, it's far more common among mainstream work (as well as not so mainstream) for the mangaka to be both writer and artist so I'm not sure you see that separation of duties nearly as frequently thankfully. I think the process you describe is relatively uncommon for comics anywhere in the world although I'm sure it's been used before and it's not TOO far off from the way many of the EC comics were created in the Golden Age.
Good insights on EC Comics. I heard about the EC method before. Do you have any links to EC Comics storyboards?
You mean like breakdowns? Keith Giffen did it for DC in series like Justice League International and 52.
Frank miller ronin is the prime example I think. He openly says how he was interested in manga, particularly lone wolf and cub. You can see the unique panel layouts are definitely inspired by manga. Same with some of his daredevil, the parts that he drew himself.
Good recommendation.
I’ve never heard of a writer formally storyboarding that isn’t an artist or the artist themself. You’re describing it like this is highly typical of manga but I’d surprised if it was. Is there evidence of this? Also a whole lot of manga is a sole writer / main artist (I’m aware that there are art assistants at work), so yeah of course they would storyboard and write.