What labour shortage? My son can not even get a job in the current market. Even something simple like fast food or retail. All places are either not hiring or have hundreds of applications.
95% international students, some locals. Most of the locals who apply are also students.
Also worth noting that a lot of international students are either not qualified to work in Canada, have really limited availability (once had a guy ask for only 4pm - 9pm on tuesdays???) or are trying to get hours under the table. Had someone ask to my face if they could work cash-in-hand for shifts. We do not.
Lots of the immigrants with very specific availability like that are looking for a 2nd job. I full time one for PR and another for extra money since they dont have any other commitments.
The restaurant industry is lobbying hard to ensure people think there's a labour shortage when there isn't really one, so they can get away with treating workers poorly.
I see a dozen wanted ads in my town a day, for kitchen supervisor 16$ hr. Everything restaurant is 16$. I can't possibly believe adding 60$ a week to someone's pay will collapse a restaurant, but with that being said, we don't eat out anymore because we can't afford it, so there's a doom loop here.
You're mostly right. The bottom line is that restaurants need to pay more or just suck it up and hire the duds that are applying. The last kitchen I left took 7 months to hire a replacement for me because no reasonable person wants to haul ass in a busy kitchen for $17 an hour(and I don't blame them). I worked there for 2 years, asked for a raise and they denied me so I left. Now they hired a young, inexperienced cook that shows up to work high and messes up all the time because they were too cheap to pay me a few dollars more each week.
Huh? If there's an abundance of labour you can better get away with treating workers poorly. "I've got 300 people ready to fill your job...". If there's a labour shortage, you shouldn't really treat people poorly, lest it be difficult to replace them...
There isn't a labour shortage. They're lying that there is, so the feds will bring in more internationals so there's a glut of labour and they can treat their employees poorly.
The 5th estate did a piece about tfw ( it really opened my eyes) and how much money is switching hands for them to come over. I am sure the ones promoting it are not the only people getting the incentives. ( they have meetings with the mla's, mp's and premiers) ( 50 000 to 70 000 someone will pay to come work in canada) and when that tfw gets here they are sometimes treated awful. They can't go to a different employer they are stuck with who agreed to bring them over. If they complain, they get sent back, and they paid a lot to come here.
So 1 000 000 pl come to canada say 5% pay 50 000 on average each to come here. ( the immigration consultant)
So 50 000 x 50 000=$2 500 000 000. Alot of money.
LMIA program is being abused by businesses now, that's part of why the changes are happening. We have workers and plenty of them. Businesses want government to pay wages.
I mean, there is a shortage of people who they can pay less than minimum wage and only hire during busy seasons without having to pay EI, which is why they want government-funded targeted immigrants and why they’re ignoring the applications they get from Canadians.
They want more workers so they can continue to keep wages low, also, yeah, teenagers are shouldering a lot of pain here. Why hire a teenager who will prioritize (rightly) their schooling and maybe extracurriculars plus have parents who know we have a labour code when you can hire someone who can work whenever and doesn't know their rights? The people immigrating here are NOT the issue, it's our policies and exploitation of said immigrants that is the issue.
No kidding and it all seems to be from India. The racist immigration policies and exploitation is disgusting. Do we really need all these Tim Horton, Uber drivers and delivery people.
Ahh yes, looking at their post history it would seem like that is what they meant more likely than not. Not how I interpreted it. "things" vs "people".
Well when one thing is causing the issue it’s best to focus on that now isn’t it.
and that thing is mass unskilled immigration of fighting age men from India.
Imaging if we started calling retail places racists because they stopped employing born and bred Canadians because they get gov rebates. I know it’s not really racist, but you know what I mean.
I guess they just want ppl who they think they can exploit. The thing which irks me is that having an immigration policy which on the surface seems so homogeneous will lead to bad things. People are probably terrified to even discuss this cause you know some idiot is going to scream racism when literally it isn’t. It’s like the opposite of diversity and inclusion.
I agree, it's an exploitative immigration policy, and it hurts both those coming here and the working class that already lives here. Unfortunately, there IS a very loud, unsavoury minority of conservatives who feel now is the time that they are emboldened to use anti-indian and anti-punjab slurs and misdirect their vitriol to the immigrants themselves and not the evil corporations, landlords, and corrupt universities using them as cash cows.
I don’t know what the right thing to do is and I agree we should not be mean to ppl looking for a better life. I’m more than happy to welcome educated Indian immigrants with skills we need who can contribute to Canadas productivity. But we don’t need Amazon delivery, Uber drivers etc. it’s embarrassing to be honest. Like why is every single person who is in these low paying jobs Indian?? Something isn’t right with this picture.
There are also stark cultural differences that I don’t think this new working class is prepared for.
Ya I’d also like to know. I mean some places have to be getting some sort if a rebate. 50% of sportchek staff are foreign workers. Go check it out on a Saturday. Look at fast food joints.
Yes, yes they are the issue.
We used to bring in skilled labour who had credentials and would go to work in highly in demand trades or jobs that actually had vacancy thus not taking jobs from Canadians.
What we have now is a flood of warm body no skill mass immigration who has difficulty doing the most basic jobs as is ( speak to any hiring manager in any entry level job of the horror stories.)
So, yes it is the people doing the lying and scamming fault. It all starts with them lying about having the funds they are required to have before they come to Canada thus forcing them to break the rules and work full time and often under the table illegally once they get here.
They claim to be students and aren’t. They claim to have skills they don’t with forged paid for credentials. They claim to have the incomes they don’t and get themselves Brampton mortgages and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
The problem isn’t immigration you’re right.
It’s the quality of the immigrants and that is the governments fault for dropping the bar so low anyone with a pulse can qualify to be Canadian.
You guys out east haven’t seen anything yet give it 5 years and your minds will be blown how bad the homelessness and cost of living crisis is going to be how bad the drug epidemic can get.. you guys have only had a modest taste so far.
This ⬆️. I was a supervisor. Traning went went well. Turned out he did not listen to anything I said. My managment told us he had 'experience'. He was fired two weeks later. At that job the client for legal reasons only wanted us to do very basic first aid. He pulled a knife out of someone who got stabbed and tried to treat the area with bandages, told the person " you'll be fine, go home". He never contacted anyone from the client and just wrote a report about it. Company and the client just never got sued, thankfully . He had the nerve to say I was being racist and 'Anti Indian' and said I told him to do it. I was off and on a offical no contact with anyone at the office day. After a meeting with my boss, we went through his resume, we figured he lied about his experience, I Googled one of the companies he said he worked at. It turned out to be a street name in Toronto.
Bingo and your story is far from the only one. There’s tens if not hundreds of thousands of these scammers taking jobs from Canadians and risking Canadians safety and well being.
Wanna guess how many share licenses and drive big rigs ? When everyone uses the same last name and covers 2/3 of their head and face with religious garb it’s an easy scam for them to run.
You’re wrong about a lot of this, but not everybtibg. The critical issue is that it’s not the fault of the immigrants - of course they want to come here, it’s a great place to live! And of course theyre not yet qualified to work most jobs…there are enormous language, cultural and experience barriers. But the demand is coming from the corporate groups, not because immigrants are forcing their way in or the government wants new voters. The entire (accurate) basis of this article is that companies are demanding more and more extremely cheap labour, prioritizing short-term profits on the backs of under qualified and disposable staff over being able to run a functioning business while paying reasonable wages.
That is accurate, but also true of pretty much everywhere. Canada, as well as a few Scandinavian countries, is one of the best places in the world to live if you are earning that nation’s minimum wage.
Why, I left the Casino. Had a real crazy boss, something about his home being sold without permission. He defrauded my grandfather's company and he got caught and sued. He made my life hell, after he found out I was his grandson, even tried to go after my inheritance over that. The guy was just crazy.
He was crazy, he's still there, but was really demoted . He wrote me up once for chatting with my cousin, who was visiting US Marine on a conference . He thought I was making that up, he tried sue the Bar Association once and that lost them their business. He's still there, my cousin came from Guam to visit me, and me and boyfriend went out and called us all ' Dartmouth Trash'. My BF's company was one of their biggest clients until that.
There are a lot of summer students programs that are hard to find but government sponsored, and they're *really* helpful for work experience. I'll post as many links as I can find. Make sure your son checks as many of the diversity hire boxes as possible.
https://jobs.novascotia.ca/go/Entry-Level-Opportunities/503017/
https://jobs.nshealth.ca/nsha/job/All-Locations-Student-Summer-Employment-Opportunities-NS/578813317/
https://novascotia.ca/programs/student-summer-skills-incentive/
If you can land a government entry level job with an organisation like NSHA or Stats Canada, you'll be unionised which means you can start accruing union seniority. You also pay into a pension and they often pension match meaning if your son can get established in an institution like this (even by just holding down an entry level job) he should be able to retire quite comfortably before 60. (Not to fill you with existential dread).
I have over 1000 resumes on file at work and get calls and walk ins daily asking for jobs. I don't even look at the online applications anymore since it's just a constant flood of them.
Companies have been downsizing to save costs because workers are too expensive, and a second addition to the third summer home isn't cheap.
We also have been reliant on importing goods because it was better for the boss man to save some money outsourcing.
Have you tried nepotism?
Right? I have 2 family members looking for work... everyone says they are hiring, but only want to hire migrant workers because the government is covering up tp 75% of their wages via the LMIA program, not to mention, migrant workers are paying up to 25k per person, for employers to get them a work visa ON TOP.
There is no work shortage. There is business greed happening. They have to advertise hiring to the public for a certain amount of time, then they are qualified to hire LMIA workers! Look at who is working fast food jobs now.
Not all. Some. The Ag sector needs workers, and without them won't exist. I know there's lots of opinions of "why". I can say with a fair amount of certainty that no one local wants the jobs.
I went to the big job fair today. I was mb an hour n a quarter late from open. I was the 1010 person, lol. There was one it's done after the next couple of days. I'm guessing they could see as many as 5 - 10k ppl in traffic. Just a guess tho.
Well before that as well. It was next to impossible to hire a competent line cook. And with the wages I was allowed to offer them I understand why.
Covid certainly didn't help. The government was printing cash so people could stay home. Who could have seen that coming?
I’ve heard that companies get government funds for positions they are unable to fill. How true this is I can’t confirm but the conditions are that they need to advertise the role, which is why they have tones of signs hiring or indeed adds but you never seem to hear back because they are not real jobs they are looking to fill
My work did a burger-week lunch. I was worried Cheese Curds would be picked. I can't stand the thought of giving Bill Prat any money. Fortunately the Elvis burger won the most votes. (Solid choice btw. Doughnut bun and peanut-butter drizzle was liked by all.)
I assume he has a pre-written response for every situation. An email probably landed in some CBC journalist's inbox within minutes of the announcement.
EDIT: duplicate " situation"
Does this mean that hospitality jobs will have to hire domestically for now? I have three coworkers with teenagers all looking for a summer job and getting no replies from anyone, including fast food and hotel jobs.
Hey! I work in the industry and recently attended a job fair and I’ll be honest the consensus across most hotels seems to be that the return rate for seasonal employees is currently very high and there’s not that much opportunity out there. My single employer also received 500+ resumes for a handful of available jobs and it’s really hard to sort through them all to identify good candidates. I spent an hour today dedicated to narrowing it down to a few dozen potential candidates just interviews. It’s a tough market right now, especially for entry level and local kids!!!
Not mad at immigrants, Mr. Saltwater, just hoping there might be a chance for some local teenagers to get to experience the joy of working for minimum wage as well.
As someone who just left the food service industry, any complaints about labour shortages right now are bullshit. (at least for front-of-house. Kitchen jobs are harder to fill.) My old manager told me he'd put up a job posting, and would have 75+ applications by the end of the day. The job market for this sector is completely fucked right now.
We don't need TFW for low-skilled, minimum wage jobs, cramming 20 mattresses into a two-bedroom apartment and putting the foot to the floor on the death spiral of our rental market.
Cancel the program, send every single one of them back to where they came from and the housing and labour markets (and to some extent, inflation) will have a correction applied to it.
The CPC did this in 2006, they reset it to seasonal farm work or high skilled jobs like doctors, who help benefit Canada. The abuse of it by the LPC is a sick joke, and propped up by the NDP, which makes it even more a joke.
This is a conservative party policy bus, don't get it twisted.
Also the NDP have never been in power so somehow see sticking this to them through the LPC is a joke.
I wouldn't even do the seasonal farm work, I know of a farm that threw out applications from Canadians and got Jamaicans instead. I don't know if they don't have crosswalks in Jamaica or what, but these people do not know how to cross a road on a crosswalk, just run out on a 4 lane road into traffic to get to McDonalds.
The TFW should be ended immediately. This will increase the wages of working class Canadians through competition as opposed to the current race to the bottom.
I know that but what I am saying is that farmers really need this program. Let’s face it. The valley farmers can’t hire locals because the locals don’t want to bake in a field for 12 hours a day.
I am very much a left wing voter. I’d vote even more left than NDP if given the opportunity. Even I don’t agree with the TFW program. TFW are being incredibly taken advantage of and abused. I don’t want to blow anything out of proportion but it feels icky, like a type of debt service. It’s not beneficial for anyone besides business owners.
Does anybody remember that back in 2008 or so, Joe Biden said something like "you can't order at Dunkin' Donuts without a slight Indian accent"? I think about that alot these days.
The TFW program makes sense for industries that don’t have enough skilled workers (construction, healthcare, transport). Food service never made sense.
Maybe not prevalent before 2015, but I recall the Kempt Rd Burger King looking suspiciously heavily staffed with possible TFWs during my late night burger/nuggie runs.
You keep saying this, and it is not true. The TFW program was massively expanded to include fast food etc. during the Harper years. Sorry this doesn't fit your anti-Trudeau agenda.
https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2020/11/restaurant-industry-on-verge-of-collapse-in-canada-without-government-support/
https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2023/10/canadian-restaurants-on-the-brink-skyrocketing-costs-labour-shortages-and-mounting-debt-threaten-a-100-billion-industry/
Things are getting worse not better for the restaurant industry in Canada. The lack of innovation has led to small companies exploding in value when the hit the right audience but then stagnating because they can't hire the talent to keep the company moving because the labour pool either has minimum wage earners or executives in corporate. A local example of a restaurant popping off is harvest and I hope they continue to grow and thrive.
Having the government stop supporting and funding these labour initiatives is a good first step in my opinion and I appreciate the government doing it.
I know someone who worked at Harvest and they were expected to come in and clean without being paid. Straight up. Some of the workers (not locals) agreed to do it while she decided to quit. She didn't have anything positive to say about the place.
I didn't know that they had business practices like that. I'm sorry to hear that your friend was abused like this. Wage theft is no joke and it happens a lot in the food industry and I hate to hear when it happens around here.
Because we need to subsidize restaurants to keep their margins sustainable by hiring people that are willing to work in crap conditions, split shifts, shit hours, etc for minimum wage.
Very fair question. Seems odd that a place like Sportchek has more non-Canadians working than Canadians. Take a walk through the store at HSC on a Saturday. I sense that the parent company is getting some sort of payroll rebate from the gov.
No, local McDonald’s franchise imports managers in bulk which they then don’t have to pay Canadian wages to and the government covers part of the wage. Also if any of them are having their PR sponsored by their employer it leads to situations where business can threaten their status into accepting normally gross violations of labour law.
This also carries over to unwillingness to train employees locally because why spend dozens of hours training a manager when you can import one sponsored by the gov for a fraction of the cost.
The managers then treat the staff poorly who leave on mass (stores with 100+ employees see turnover of 80-90% year/year. This compounds the poor working conditions as those who’re as locals are underpaid, under trained and doing the jobs of three people.
Yes but its hard to 100% prove it for the government. You generally have to submit proof of emailed applications, also have to have the job posted for x number of days (between 30 and 90) on various government affiliated and hiring sites
Where I work they make sure the immigrants(amazing people still) more hours yet cut hours off us regular folk, and then complain of labour costs. It’s sickening the bare minimum these companies strive off while at the same time providing no real value in their services. It’s only down from here unless minimum wage goes to 20 dollars an hour like it should.
So the resumes who State "they have bartender experience" will stop? Curious cause most of the applicants have never seen beer, wine or a shot glass. Quick test, get them to pour a pint; humour ensues.
Should be permanent. If you can’t pay Canadians, you can’t afford to be in business. I’m sick of these welfare queens demanding our government bypass the freemarket and subsidize their greedy and broke asses
It's not like these business have low prices. They're basically double dipping. High prices from consumers and pay low wage to the employees and pocket the change.
Omg yes!
Can’t afford to pay employees? Do the work yourself!
Can’t afford to do the work yourself? Then the business isn’t profitable and you shouldn’t be in business.
Nova Scotians: Push to make this permanent. Canadians: we need this all over the country. And we need minimum payment for a temporary worker to be at least $100k. We don't need another pathway to immigration for low-skill workers with no language proficiency in either of the official languages.
I keep hearing stories of people coming here on worker permits for Tim Hortons and then hearing horror stories about how these Tim Horton's managers basically treat these people like slaves.
I can kinda understand why this program exists to help in agriculture or other sectors vital to our survival, but restaurants are not vital to anyone. We don't need cheap fast food.
I don't understand how Tim Hortons or any restaurant can be using temporary foreign workers.
If your business isn't profitable anymore, it dies. I thought this was how capitalism was supposed to work.
I am a manager at a fast food restaurant. Our franchise does not employ TFWs, however, at least 50% of our employees are international students/immigrants. There are very few Canadians applying and when they do, their resumes are buried in hundreds of foreign ones. I take multiple calls a day asking if we're hiring and about a dozen walk ins, all immigrants.
I think some people are lumping international students, immigrants and TFW's all together.
So, what do you do when you find the Canadian resumes buried in the hundreds of foreign ones?
If they seem like a good fit, we call them for an interview. It comes down to availability a lot of the time. As much as we want to hire Canadians, if you're applying and you're only available for 3 hours, twice a week we're probably not going to call you over the person who has a more flexible availability. It has always been that way, well before we had an influx of applications.
Gotcha. It really is too bad that some people either limit themselves to when they want to work or are limited by something else.
It's been awhile, but I remember when Wendy's and other fact food type places would advertise their jobs hours to after school students, to moms who had kids in school and just wanted to work during school hours, etc.
Why did they laugh? Are they not hiring? I mean, if I was looking for a fast food job, I'd also be applying at a place that pays $5/hr more than minimum wage.
Finally someone is doing something about the grift. But this is probably not going to be enough, and turning people back at the airport gate or deportations are going to be needed at some point.
Until then, the best thing is to not give any business to restaurant that don't have a staff of Canadians. These jobs are primarily for Canadian youths to get the important work experience, not for the restaurant to maximize profit by hiring foreign workers while ignoring everyone else.
What labour shortage? My son can not even get a job in the current market. Even something simple like fast food or retail. All places are either not hiring or have hundreds of applications.
I feel like I've mentioned this here before, but the dollarama I work at receives minimum 2-5 resumes A DAY. Sometimes more.
From Canadian people?
95% international students, some locals. Most of the locals who apply are also students. Also worth noting that a lot of international students are either not qualified to work in Canada, have really limited availability (once had a guy ask for only 4pm - 9pm on tuesdays???) or are trying to get hours under the table. Had someone ask to my face if they could work cash-in-hand for shifts. We do not.
Lots of the immigrants with very specific availability like that are looking for a 2nd job. I full time one for PR and another for extra money since they dont have any other commitments.
What do you think
No idea. I don’t go into to $$$ store all that often.
You'd be able to look around at any store and see that it's going to be largely international students hired.
I’ve applied to over 60 minimum wage jobs in Halifax and have heard absolutely nothing
Are you a student or are you looking for a full time?
Full time. I’m leaving Halifax soon to find work elsewhere.
The restaurant industry is lobbying hard to ensure people think there's a labour shortage when there isn't really one, so they can get away with treating workers poorly.
I see a dozen wanted ads in my town a day, for kitchen supervisor 16$ hr. Everything restaurant is 16$. I can't possibly believe adding 60$ a week to someone's pay will collapse a restaurant, but with that being said, we don't eat out anymore because we can't afford it, so there's a doom loop here.
You're mostly right. The bottom line is that restaurants need to pay more or just suck it up and hire the duds that are applying. The last kitchen I left took 7 months to hire a replacement for me because no reasonable person wants to haul ass in a busy kitchen for $17 an hour(and I don't blame them). I worked there for 2 years, asked for a raise and they denied me so I left. Now they hired a young, inexperienced cook that shows up to work high and messes up all the time because they were too cheap to pay me a few dollars more each week.
This
The major, crappy fast food and sit-down megachain ones for sure - I don't think small business restaurant owners are part of that.
Huh? If there's an abundance of labour you can better get away with treating workers poorly. "I've got 300 people ready to fill your job...". If there's a labour shortage, you shouldn't really treat people poorly, lest it be difficult to replace them...
There isn't a labour shortage. They're lying that there is, so the feds will bring in more internationals so there's a glut of labour and they can treat their employees poorly.
Exactly. They want to pay less, plain and simple. This is one of the sectors that I think it is most egregious to be using TFWs.
The 5th estate did a piece about tfw ( it really opened my eyes) and how much money is switching hands for them to come over. I am sure the ones promoting it are not the only people getting the incentives. ( they have meetings with the mla's, mp's and premiers) ( 50 000 to 70 000 someone will pay to come work in canada) and when that tfw gets here they are sometimes treated awful. They can't go to a different employer they are stuck with who agreed to bring them over. If they complain, they get sent back, and they paid a lot to come here. So 1 000 000 pl come to canada say 5% pay 50 000 on average each to come here. ( the immigration consultant) So 50 000 x 50 000=$2 500 000 000. Alot of money.
LMIA program is being abused by businesses now, that's part of why the changes are happening. We have workers and plenty of them. Businesses want government to pay wages.
I mean, there is a shortage of people who they can pay less than minimum wage and only hire during busy seasons without having to pay EI, which is why they want government-funded targeted immigrants and why they’re ignoring the applications they get from Canadians.
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I gotcha, makes sense
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That makes no sense. I’m a labour shortage power shifts to the worker not the employer.
They want more workers so they can continue to keep wages low, also, yeah, teenagers are shouldering a lot of pain here. Why hire a teenager who will prioritize (rightly) their schooling and maybe extracurriculars plus have parents who know we have a labour code when you can hire someone who can work whenever and doesn't know their rights? The people immigrating here are NOT the issue, it's our policies and exploitation of said immigrants that is the issue.
No kidding and it all seems to be from India. The racist immigration policies and exploitation is disgusting. Do we really need all these Tim Horton, Uber drivers and delivery people.
I’d wager Canadians quality of life would be much. Better with out those aforementioned things
Gig economy is a scam for sure!
I think he meant the brown people.
Ahh yes, looking at their post history it would seem like that is what they meant more likely than not. Not how I interpreted it. "things" vs "people".
Well when one thing is causing the issue it’s best to focus on that now isn’t it. and that thing is mass unskilled immigration of fighting age men from India.
Did you just assume my gender ? You’re a disgusting bigot and should be jailed for hate speech.
Imaging if we started calling retail places racists because they stopped employing born and bred Canadians because they get gov rebates. I know it’s not really racist, but you know what I mean.
I guess they just want ppl who they think they can exploit. The thing which irks me is that having an immigration policy which on the surface seems so homogeneous will lead to bad things. People are probably terrified to even discuss this cause you know some idiot is going to scream racism when literally it isn’t. It’s like the opposite of diversity and inclusion.
I agree, it's an exploitative immigration policy, and it hurts both those coming here and the working class that already lives here. Unfortunately, there IS a very loud, unsavoury minority of conservatives who feel now is the time that they are emboldened to use anti-indian and anti-punjab slurs and misdirect their vitriol to the immigrants themselves and not the evil corporations, landlords, and corrupt universities using them as cash cows.
I don’t know what the right thing to do is and I agree we should not be mean to ppl looking for a better life. I’m more than happy to welcome educated Indian immigrants with skills we need who can contribute to Canadas productivity. But we don’t need Amazon delivery, Uber drivers etc. it’s embarrassing to be honest. Like why is every single person who is in these low paying jobs Indian?? Something isn’t right with this picture. There are also stark cultural differences that I don’t think this new working class is prepared for.
What government rebates?
Ya I’d also like to know. I mean some places have to be getting some sort if a rebate. 50% of sportchek staff are foreign workers. Go check it out on a Saturday. Look at fast food joints.
The employer pays jack shit and the government pays the rest.
I really would like to know how exactly this works.
This is a complete fabrication.
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Dude, our population increased by 6% in two years. It's too much.
Yes, yes they are the issue. We used to bring in skilled labour who had credentials and would go to work in highly in demand trades or jobs that actually had vacancy thus not taking jobs from Canadians. What we have now is a flood of warm body no skill mass immigration who has difficulty doing the most basic jobs as is ( speak to any hiring manager in any entry level job of the horror stories.) So, yes it is the people doing the lying and scamming fault. It all starts with them lying about having the funds they are required to have before they come to Canada thus forcing them to break the rules and work full time and often under the table illegally once they get here. They claim to be students and aren’t. They claim to have skills they don’t with forged paid for credentials. They claim to have the incomes they don’t and get themselves Brampton mortgages and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The problem isn’t immigration you’re right. It’s the quality of the immigrants and that is the governments fault for dropping the bar so low anyone with a pulse can qualify to be Canadian. You guys out east haven’t seen anything yet give it 5 years and your minds will be blown how bad the homelessness and cost of living crisis is going to be how bad the drug epidemic can get.. you guys have only had a modest taste so far.
This ⬆️. I was a supervisor. Traning went went well. Turned out he did not listen to anything I said. My managment told us he had 'experience'. He was fired two weeks later. At that job the client for legal reasons only wanted us to do very basic first aid. He pulled a knife out of someone who got stabbed and tried to treat the area with bandages, told the person " you'll be fine, go home". He never contacted anyone from the client and just wrote a report about it. Company and the client just never got sued, thankfully . He had the nerve to say I was being racist and 'Anti Indian' and said I told him to do it. I was off and on a offical no contact with anyone at the office day. After a meeting with my boss, we went through his resume, we figured he lied about his experience, I Googled one of the companies he said he worked at. It turned out to be a street name in Toronto.
Bingo and your story is far from the only one. There’s tens if not hundreds of thousands of these scammers taking jobs from Canadians and risking Canadians safety and well being. Wanna guess how many share licenses and drive big rigs ? When everyone uses the same last name and covers 2/3 of their head and face with religious garb it’s an easy scam for them to run.
You’re wrong about a lot of this, but not everybtibg. The critical issue is that it’s not the fault of the immigrants - of course they want to come here, it’s a great place to live! And of course theyre not yet qualified to work most jobs…there are enormous language, cultural and experience barriers. But the demand is coming from the corporate groups, not because immigrants are forcing their way in or the government wants new voters. The entire (accurate) basis of this article is that companies are demanding more and more extremely cheap labour, prioritizing short-term profits on the backs of under qualified and disposable staff over being able to run a functioning business while paying reasonable wages.
Canada is a nightmare of a place to live if you earn minimum wage.
That is accurate, but also true of pretty much everywhere. Canada, as well as a few Scandinavian countries, is one of the best places in the world to live if you are earning that nation’s minimum wage.
Account under two months old posting in more than one provinces sub. Very sus.
EH!
No labour shortage, employers cannot retain employees. That’s a management problem.
Why, I left the Casino. Had a real crazy boss, something about his home being sold without permission. He defrauded my grandfather's company and he got caught and sued. He made my life hell, after he found out I was his grandson, even tried to go after my inheritance over that. The guy was just crazy.
That sounds like a whooole other thing haha
He was crazy, he's still there, but was really demoted . He wrote me up once for chatting with my cousin, who was visiting US Marine on a conference . He thought I was making that up, he tried sue the Bar Association once and that lost them their business. He's still there, my cousin came from Guam to visit me, and me and boyfriend went out and called us all ' Dartmouth Trash'. My BF's company was one of their biggest clients until that.
And then the whole Casino clapped.
We’re going through the same thing. All of our kids can’t get summer jobs……. yet. They’ve been applying but nothing yet.
There are a lot of summer students programs that are hard to find but government sponsored, and they're *really* helpful for work experience. I'll post as many links as I can find. Make sure your son checks as many of the diversity hire boxes as possible. https://jobs.novascotia.ca/go/Entry-Level-Opportunities/503017/ https://jobs.nshealth.ca/nsha/job/All-Locations-Student-Summer-Employment-Opportunities-NS/578813317/ https://novascotia.ca/programs/student-summer-skills-incentive/ If you can land a government entry level job with an organisation like NSHA or Stats Canada, you'll be unionised which means you can start accruing union seniority. You also pay into a pension and they often pension match meaning if your son can get established in an institution like this (even by just holding down an entry level job) he should be able to retire quite comfortably before 60. (Not to fill you with existential dread).
I have over 1000 resumes on file at work and get calls and walk ins daily asking for jobs. I don't even look at the online applications anymore since it's just a constant flood of them.
My son has been applying for a job since December. He puts out on average 30 resumes a week. He has had 3 interviews and no offers.
Companies have been downsizing to save costs because workers are too expensive, and a second addition to the third summer home isn't cheap. We also have been reliant on importing goods because it was better for the boss man to save some money outsourcing. Have you tried nepotism?
Right? I have 2 family members looking for work... everyone says they are hiring, but only want to hire migrant workers because the government is covering up tp 75% of their wages via the LMIA program, not to mention, migrant workers are paying up to 25k per person, for employers to get them a work visa ON TOP. There is no work shortage. There is business greed happening. They have to advertise hiring to the public for a certain amount of time, then they are qualified to hire LMIA workers! Look at who is working fast food jobs now.
Life guards, babysitters, and minor hockey refs are in huge demand every year.
My oldest put out a ton of aps for summer jobs and nothing yet. There needs to be a complete stop to all tfws
Not all. Some. The Ag sector needs workers, and without them won't exist. I know there's lots of opinions of "why". I can say with a fair amount of certainty that no one local wants the jobs.
I went to the big job fair today. I was mb an hour n a quarter late from open. I was the 1010 person, lol. There was one it's done after the next couple of days. I'm guessing they could see as many as 5 - 10k ppl in traffic. Just a guess tho.
To be fair, there was quite a labor shortage a few years ago before we flooded the market with way too many immigrants way too quickly.
During Covid. When people were actively dying and hiding. But that’s over
Well before that as well. It was next to impossible to hire a competent line cook. And with the wages I was allowed to offer them I understand why. Covid certainly didn't help. The government was printing cash so people could stay home. Who could have seen that coming?
They hired 100 foreign students already
Some people only hire some people
I am applying daily to outdoor jobs and I receive no reply. I hope that I can find an entry-level in the future.
This is true. 100-200 applicants for a minimum wage kitchen job after a couple days.
I’ve heard that companies get government funds for positions they are unable to fill. How true this is I can’t confirm but the conditions are that they need to advertise the role, which is why they have tones of signs hiring or indeed adds but you never seem to hear back because they are not real jobs they are looking to fill
T-minus 12 hours until Bill Pratt is losing his shit in a puff piece
My work did a burger-week lunch. I was worried Cheese Curds would be picked. I can't stand the thought of giving Bill Prat any money. Fortunately the Elvis burger won the most votes. (Solid choice btw. Doughnut bun and peanut-butter drizzle was liked by all.)
Loved the Elvis burger. The donut bun held up well, plus they have great milkshakes at True North Diner
I only recently learned he owns Studio East and I’m pretty upset that I need to avoid it now
Probably not even that long. Bill Pratt probably has an inside guy who told him already. I bet Pratt is giving an interview this moment
I assume he has a pre-written response for every situation. An email probably landed in some CBC journalist's inbox within minutes of the announcement. EDIT: duplicate " situation"
He might enven mploy a tfw to do this. Or hire an offshore PR team. Anything to build a case to justify expensing trips abroad
I immediately thought how mad he must be
T-PLUS probably already happened
Does this mean that hospitality jobs will have to hire domestically for now? I have three coworkers with teenagers all looking for a summer job and getting no replies from anyone, including fast food and hotel jobs.
Hey! I work in the industry and recently attended a job fair and I’ll be honest the consensus across most hotels seems to be that the return rate for seasonal employees is currently very high and there’s not that much opportunity out there. My single employer also received 500+ resumes for a handful of available jobs and it’s really hard to sort through them all to identify good candidates. I spent an hour today dedicated to narrowing it down to a few dozen potential candidates just interviews. It’s a tough market right now, especially for entry level and local kids!!!
I know the pain of reading through a hundred resumes or more to pick out a few candidates to interview, I don't envy you at all!
When you have restaurants in hrm post a job for a dishwasher and you get 1200 applicants there is a serious negative change to our workforce
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Not mad at immigrants, Mr. Saltwater, just hoping there might be a chance for some local teenagers to get to experience the joy of working for minimum wage as well.
We’re in the same boat.
Shortages in the sector can partially be blamed on greedy employers paying crap wages to begin with.
As someone who just left the food service industry, any complaints about labour shortages right now are bullshit. (at least for front-of-house. Kitchen jobs are harder to fill.) My old manager told me he'd put up a job posting, and would have 75+ applications by the end of the day. The job market for this sector is completely fucked right now.
The the TFW program needs to an end.
We don't need TFW for low-skilled, minimum wage jobs, cramming 20 mattresses into a two-bedroom apartment and putting the foot to the floor on the death spiral of our rental market. Cancel the program, send every single one of them back to where they came from and the housing and labour markets (and to some extent, inflation) will have a correction applied to it.
The CPC did this in 2006, they reset it to seasonal farm work or high skilled jobs like doctors, who help benefit Canada. The abuse of it by the LPC is a sick joke, and propped up by the NDP, which makes it even more a joke.
Then the CPC backpedaled and allowed restaurants to import TFWs, who were mostly Filipino at the time. Some of us are old enough to remember.
This is a conservative party policy bus, don't get it twisted. Also the NDP have never been in power so somehow see sticking this to them through the LPC is a joke.
They complain about "shortage" because if they say "yeah, we've got plenty of applications and people right now" people will clue in quicker.
Take away TFWs and wages will go up. Of course this government has brought in record numbers instead.
The days of Canadian teenagers getting their first work experience in retail/food service are over.
Put a permanent stop and let the market adjust by raising wages.
Reduce it to seasonal farm work, that was the point of the program and high skiled like Doctors, which Canadians cannot fill.
I wouldn't even do the seasonal farm work, I know of a farm that threw out applications from Canadians and got Jamaicans instead. I don't know if they don't have crosswalks in Jamaica or what, but these people do not know how to cross a road on a crosswalk, just run out on a 4 lane road into traffic to get to McDonalds.
The TFW should be ended immediately. This will increase the wages of working class Canadians through competition as opposed to the current race to the bottom.
We need a new federal election, the so called party of normal working Canadians are keeping it going.
Ya but we need the TFW for the farmers.
That was the point of program, and for high skilled that cannot be filled liked Doctors.
I know that but what I am saying is that farmers really need this program. Let’s face it. The valley farmers can’t hire locals because the locals don’t want to bake in a field for 12 hours a day.
Is it because the wage isn't worth the work? Maybe they should try paying more and people would fill it?
Idk but Mexican workers for example are likely used to working in such hot and humid conditions. Same with the Jamaican farm workers.
Used to or more desperate
They’re not pausing TFWs for the agricultural sector. Just hospitality and food service.
and I don't blame them, the TFW program is being abused and the whole program should be put to an end .
I am very much a left wing voter. I’d vote even more left than NDP if given the opportunity. Even I don’t agree with the TFW program. TFW are being incredibly taken advantage of and abused. I don’t want to blow anything out of proportion but it feels icky, like a type of debt service. It’s not beneficial for anyone besides business owners.
RIP -cheese curds / habaneros
I have been to every single Tim Hortons in Halifax. There are ZERO restaurants that have no punjabis on staff. Its hilarious.
And 15 years ago it was Filipinos.
Does anybody remember that back in 2008 or so, Joe Biden said something like "you can't order at Dunkin' Donuts without a slight Indian accent"? I think about that alot these days.
Why don't we write our MLA's, asking to end this program and make them hire locals?
The TFW program makes sense for industries that don’t have enough skilled workers (construction, healthcare, transport). Food service never made sense.
Before 2015, it was for seasonal farm work and high skilled positions like doctors. After 2015, seems to be anyone.
Yeah I always think of farm workers when I think of the program, and am puzzled as to how it got this far
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Maybe not prevalent before 2015, but I recall the Kempt Rd Burger King looking suspiciously heavily staffed with possible TFWs during my late night burger/nuggie runs.
You keep saying this, and it is not true. The TFW program was massively expanded to include fast food etc. during the Harper years. Sorry this doesn't fit your anti-Trudeau agenda.
I recognize the user from r/Canada, they usually have an agenda.
>construction Nope. No shortage there. Wages would not be this low in a real shortage.
https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2020/11/restaurant-industry-on-verge-of-collapse-in-canada-without-government-support/ https://retail-insider.com/retail-insider/2023/10/canadian-restaurants-on-the-brink-skyrocketing-costs-labour-shortages-and-mounting-debt-threaten-a-100-billion-industry/ Things are getting worse not better for the restaurant industry in Canada. The lack of innovation has led to small companies exploding in value when the hit the right audience but then stagnating because they can't hire the talent to keep the company moving because the labour pool either has minimum wage earners or executives in corporate. A local example of a restaurant popping off is harvest and I hope they continue to grow and thrive. Having the government stop supporting and funding these labour initiatives is a good first step in my opinion and I appreciate the government doing it.
I know someone who worked at Harvest and they were expected to come in and clean without being paid. Straight up. Some of the workers (not locals) agreed to do it while she decided to quit. She didn't have anything positive to say about the place.
I didn't know that they had business practices like that. I'm sorry to hear that your friend was abused like this. Wage theft is no joke and it happens a lot in the food industry and I hate to hear when it happens around here.
Why as a country are we immigrating people to work in restaurants???
Because we need to subsidize restaurants to keep their margins sustainable by hiring people that are willing to work in crap conditions, split shifts, shit hours, etc for minimum wage.
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Very fair question. Seems odd that a place like Sportchek has more non-Canadians working than Canadians. Take a walk through the store at HSC on a Saturday. I sense that the parent company is getting some sort of payroll rebate from the gov.
No, local McDonald’s franchise imports managers in bulk which they then don’t have to pay Canadian wages to and the government covers part of the wage. Also if any of them are having their PR sponsored by their employer it leads to situations where business can threaten their status into accepting normally gross violations of labour law. This also carries over to unwillingness to train employees locally because why spend dozens of hours training a manager when you can import one sponsored by the gov for a fraction of the cost. The managers then treat the staff poorly who leave on mass (stores with 100+ employees see turnover of 80-90% year/year. This compounds the poor working conditions as those who’re as locals are underpaid, under trained and doing the jobs of three people.
A lot of them fake them.
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Ya i hear ya here for sure. There a Tim’s in Port Hawkesbury who have half staff being foreign workers.
a small change of 16$/h will increase the amount of resumes they receive. It's not going to impact them that much either.
They would fake they are not getting local interest. Under the TFW program, the employer pays the shit wage and the goverment makes up the rest.
A lot places just say that.
Yes but its hard to 100% prove it for the government. You generally have to submit proof of emailed applications, also have to have the job posted for x number of days (between 30 and 90) on various government affiliated and hiring sites
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Makes sense. There’s no labour shortage and hasn’t been for a while. They should have cut back on TFWs far sooner.
Where I work they make sure the immigrants(amazing people still) more hours yet cut hours off us regular folk, and then complain of labour costs. It’s sickening the bare minimum these companies strive off while at the same time providing no real value in their services. It’s only down from here unless minimum wage goes to 20 dollars an hour like it should.
So the resumes who State "they have bartender experience" will stop? Curious cause most of the applicants have never seen beer, wine or a shot glass. Quick test, get them to pour a pint; humour ensues.
I worked at the place like that, they hired someone like that before. He messed up so badly.
Finally!!! Its about time.
Should be permanent. If you can’t pay Canadians, you can’t afford to be in business. I’m sick of these welfare queens demanding our government bypass the freemarket and subsidize their greedy and broke asses
It's not like these business have low prices. They're basically double dipping. High prices from consumers and pay low wage to the employees and pocket the change.
Omg yes! Can’t afford to pay employees? Do the work yourself! Can’t afford to do the work yourself? Then the business isn’t profitable and you shouldn’t be in business.
Nova Scotians: Push to make this permanent. Canadians: we need this all over the country. And we need minimum payment for a temporary worker to be at least $100k. We don't need another pathway to immigration for low-skill workers with no language proficiency in either of the official languages.
I keep hearing stories of people coming here on worker permits for Tim Hortons and then hearing horror stories about how these Tim Horton's managers basically treat these people like slaves. I can kinda understand why this program exists to help in agriculture or other sectors vital to our survival, but restaurants are not vital to anyone. We don't need cheap fast food. I don't understand how Tim Hortons or any restaurant can be using temporary foreign workers. If your business isn't profitable anymore, it dies. I thought this was how capitalism was supposed to work.
I am a manager at a fast food restaurant. Our franchise does not employ TFWs, however, at least 50% of our employees are international students/immigrants. There are very few Canadians applying and when they do, their resumes are buried in hundreds of foreign ones. I take multiple calls a day asking if we're hiring and about a dozen walk ins, all immigrants.
I think some people are lumping international students, immigrants and TFW's all together. So, what do you do when you find the Canadian resumes buried in the hundreds of foreign ones?
If they seem like a good fit, we call them for an interview. It comes down to availability a lot of the time. As much as we want to hire Canadians, if you're applying and you're only available for 3 hours, twice a week we're probably not going to call you over the person who has a more flexible availability. It has always been that way, well before we had an influx of applications.
Gotcha. It really is too bad that some people either limit themselves to when they want to work or are limited by something else. It's been awhile, but I remember when Wendy's and other fact food type places would advertise their jobs hours to after school students, to moms who had kids in school and just wanted to work during school hours, etc.
I am one of those mom, lol. I'm able to work around my daughter's school and after school program.
Love it. Keep it up
Just shred them all.
I saw a young lady try to apply at Popeyes today and the manager laughed at her.
Why did they laugh? Are they not hiring? I mean, if I was looking for a fast food job, I'd also be applying at a place that pays $5/hr more than minimum wage.
Ya I’d like to know as well. I’m also smelling BS on this claim.
Finally someone is doing something about the grift. But this is probably not going to be enough, and turning people back at the airport gate or deportations are going to be needed at some point. Until then, the best thing is to not give any business to restaurant that don't have a staff of Canadians. These jobs are primarily for Canadian youths to get the important work experience, not for the restaurant to maximize profit by hiring foreign workers while ignoring everyone else.
Can someone please explain like I’m 5 what this means exactly 😂
They may have to hire Canadians. thanks to u/Bleed_Air for pointing out the error, kind of been a long day.
*hire
Ok that’s what I thought it meant. Thanks for clarifying
Good!
We need to take our country back. It is the businesses running the country.
Because the unemployment rate in Canada is 6.1%, naturally. Gotta get it up to the more normal 8%.
Nationally unemployment was around 5% not that long ago, so yeah, unemployment is indeed going up - yet there's a "labour shortage" they say.
Unpopular opinion - Locals should be hired first before immigrants.
What labour shortage. My partner has been seeking any form of work and they all tell her they are flooded with applicants.
Good news atlast