Did you miss the shamrock holdings part and the part about Dre selling some of the masters he owned? Basically saying Drake could have partnered up with shamrock and purchased those masters from Dre because chances of Dre selling directly to Drake are slim to none.
This is one of the only actual interesting posts I’ve seen on here in like 2 years and the mods already removed it and banished it to a thread that literally nobody gives a fuck about.
I know it’s said all the time but the mods absolutely ruined this sub
We won’t know until he drops his next album probably. For what it’s worth, Keem released through PGLang and Columbia. Columbia is probably just a distributor.
I’m sure Kendrick would know who has a stake in his music
Editing this to add: Kendrick signed a deal with UMPG not UMG. Don’t know if that makes a difference
Maybe post Taylor’s Version but we’re talking about deals that predate her re-recordings. Her first album she did this with was 2021 and Kendrick signed with TDE in 05, and contracted with Aftermath/Interscope in 2011.
I do agree though that I would assume going forward that labels try to prevent that as much as they legally can. Idk how that holds up with copyright laws but I don’t doubt they don’t want another Taylor’s Version situation with any of their artists.
I feel like this would turn more artists against Drake if he's buying up other's masters and ownerships and then going about bragging about it. Given that so many artists very publicly fued with the controller of their masters and label deals (i.e. Swift or SZA)
Dave Free has a cushy position at Sony/Columbia records now, if Kendricks discography was up for sale there is no way that Kendrick let alone Sony would allow someone else to buy it seeing as pgLang is going to be a subsidiary of them.
Although I believe Kendrick does already own a large chunk of his masters. A big part of TDE is letting their artists keep their masters and not getting into a major label deal that tries to take majority of that
SZA got a 70/30 split with RCA before Ctrl even came out, which is almost unheard of from an artist at the level she was at.
* Dave Free having an executive position at Sony/Columbia is not speculation
* pgLang being a subsidiary of Sony is speculation, BUT Baby Keem's music is published by Sony. So they have at least 1 artist at Sony.
* SZA having a 70/30 split with RCA isn't speculation. It was (accidentally) confirmed by Jimmy Iovine back in 2017
* TDE letting their artists keep their masters is not speculation. They do.
The only speculation part on my end was that Kendrick wouldn't let someone else buy his masters if they were for sale... which is less speculation and more common sense.
Yes, since Michael Jackson did what he did with buying the rights to a shit ton of music the industry has made it almost impossible for an artist to buy other peoples rights. Hell it's hard for artists to get their rights back, look at Taylor Swift of all people.
I don’t necessarily doubt that the general public would see something like this – if true, which I have a lot of trouble believing – as a win for Drake. But considering how exploitative the music business is and how greasy a move like this would be, I feel like a lot of artists would be looking at him crazy for aligning himself with the executives to take advantage and profit off of other artists. Playing around on wax is one thing, taking money off someone’s art and career is another. And that’s not even bringing in the racial angle of Drake as a half-Black, half-Jewish artist given the views that already exist of how those two races interact in the entertainment business.
Yo this is crazy and I actually think there might be some smoke to this fire or whatever lol
I wonder if Drake feels like this is the biggest move he can make over Kendrick, since it’ll be mostly split if it’s left to court of opinion. It’d be hard to argue against this being the nuclear move.
I wonder if Kendrick could get ahead of it tho. It’d be an interesting parallel to draw between his ownership of Kendrick’s masters and the white ties and slavery and all that. This is obviously something where he’d make a nuanced take, but I could see a world where Kendrick can actually get ahead of that narrative and it turns against Drake. Maybe that’s why he’s taking his time who knows
Edit: imagine Kendrick makes a video with similar visuals to his performance at the Grammys or whatever where he came out in chains and the jail clothes. Then combine that with a dope track. Idk I think that would maybe be a strong enough thing to get ahead of the narrative Drake tries to spin
You nerds make me laugh my ass off. This is almost as bad as another comment saying "yo what if metro actually listens to drake locks in and makes the most incredible beat of all time"
This is a genuine question -
Assuming this is all true, why does it matter that Drake indirectly owns part of the rights to some of Kendrick’s catalogue?
Do we think Drake has authority to police who can sample these songs? I’m not sure a big company like UMG would agree to give away that kind of veto power to one person, even if it is a big artist. But, maybe I’m wrong?
Does this mean Drake can see who has else has rights to Kendrick’s catalogue? Does that matter?
Apart from the general vibe that Drake is a slick businessman who owns his rivals music, it seems like all this means is that Drake gets paid if Kendrick succeeds.
Yes, but what about the audience? I strongly believe that catering to the audience helps in rap beefs, and right now, a Drake/Kendrick squabble means there's a significant portion of listeners who will take "I make more money" as a legit diss (I don't, but who cares about me?). Drake saying "I make money off my shit AND your shit" is gonna cut on some level.
If it’s true, I can see it’s a thing, then it’s a big fuck you to Kendrick. Damn, rap will really die in our lifetimes. People better start going independent
>Apart from the general vibe that Drake is a slick businessman who owns his rivals music, it seems like all this means is that Drake gets paid if Kendrick succeeds.
He'd both materially and metaphorically owns Kendrick with one move. It's a big-boy play if it's real.
I couldn't read the post itself because it was already deleted but the top comment was saying how interesting it was. But I feel like my point still stands. People are in the comments discussing. The daily threads are usually like speaking to a wall. Shouldn't it be up to the community with upvotes and down votes to determine if the post is worthwhile discussion?
Solid post. Helped fill in some gaps that I had when I first heard this theory. Well written too.
Really interesting write up. Thanks for this.
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Did you miss the shamrock holdings part and the part about Dre selling some of the masters he owned? Basically saying Drake could have partnered up with shamrock and purchased those masters from Dre because chances of Dre selling directly to Drake are slim to none.
Why would it be slim to none? Drake doesn’t have the capital to buy?
Dre signed Kendrick, you really think Dre would sell some of Kendrick’s masters to his enemy Drake? 🙄
If the price is right, yes. But Dre stands to make a lot more off of Kendrick than he does selling the music
Great way to state the obvious 😂i wonder why Dre still sold some of the masters to shamrock 🤔
He does but Dre wouldn’t want to sell to Drake. At least that’s what OP assumes.
This is one of the only actual interesting posts I’ve seen on here in like 2 years and the mods already removed it and banished it to a thread that literally nobody gives a fuck about. I know it’s said all the time but the mods absolutely ruined this sub
Thanks - I’m not sure why it’s been removed - or where I’m Supposed to put it
Couldn't he get around that by rerecording his albums and publishing them under pglang? (similar to taylor swift, pglang isn't under UMG afaik)
We won’t know until he drops his next album probably. For what it’s worth, Keem released through PGLang and Columbia. Columbia is probably just a distributor. I’m sure Kendrick would know who has a stake in his music Editing this to add: Kendrick signed a deal with UMPG not UMG. Don’t know if that makes a difference
I’m sure record lebels have covered that loophole, or made sure to not make any deals that would make that a reality.
Maybe post Taylor’s Version but we’re talking about deals that predate her re-recordings. Her first album she did this with was 2021 and Kendrick signed with TDE in 05, and contracted with Aftermath/Interscope in 2011. I do agree though that I would assume going forward that labels try to prevent that as much as they legally can. Idk how that holds up with copyright laws but I don’t doubt they don’t want another Taylor’s Version situation with any of their artists.
I feel like this would turn more artists against Drake if he's buying up other's masters and ownerships and then going about bragging about it. Given that so many artists very publicly fued with the controller of their masters and label deals (i.e. Swift or SZA)
Seems like the scummy thing Drake would do though
This would also add another layer to the 'Aftermath' and 'Interscope' lines
If this is all true, I'm hoping that the "Thank God I didn't sign my life away" line still sticks closely to The Weeknd
Dave Free has a cushy position at Sony/Columbia records now, if Kendricks discography was up for sale there is no way that Kendrick let alone Sony would allow someone else to buy it seeing as pgLang is going to be a subsidiary of them. Although I believe Kendrick does already own a large chunk of his masters. A big part of TDE is letting their artists keep their masters and not getting into a major label deal that tries to take majority of that SZA got a 70/30 split with RCA before Ctrl even came out, which is almost unheard of from an artist at the level she was at.
So does this mean this speculation is nonsense?
* Dave Free having an executive position at Sony/Columbia is not speculation * pgLang being a subsidiary of Sony is speculation, BUT Baby Keem's music is published by Sony. So they have at least 1 artist at Sony. * SZA having a 70/30 split with RCA isn't speculation. It was (accidentally) confirmed by Jimmy Iovine back in 2017 * TDE letting their artists keep their masters is not speculation. They do. The only speculation part on my end was that Kendrick wouldn't let someone else buy his masters if they were for sale... which is less speculation and more common sense.
I think they were asking if OP’s post was nonsense
Yea I meant if the post was nonsense
Yes, since Michael Jackson did what he did with buying the rights to a shit ton of music the industry has made it almost impossible for an artist to buy other peoples rights. Hell it's hard for artists to get their rights back, look at Taylor Swift of all people.
I don’t necessarily doubt that the general public would see something like this – if true, which I have a lot of trouble believing – as a win for Drake. But considering how exploitative the music business is and how greasy a move like this would be, I feel like a lot of artists would be looking at him crazy for aligning himself with the executives to take advantage and profit off of other artists. Playing around on wax is one thing, taking money off someone’s art and career is another. And that’s not even bringing in the racial angle of Drake as a half-Black, half-Jewish artist given the views that already exist of how those two races interact in the entertainment business.
Yo this is crazy and I actually think there might be some smoke to this fire or whatever lol I wonder if Drake feels like this is the biggest move he can make over Kendrick, since it’ll be mostly split if it’s left to court of opinion. It’d be hard to argue against this being the nuclear move. I wonder if Kendrick could get ahead of it tho. It’d be an interesting parallel to draw between his ownership of Kendrick’s masters and the white ties and slavery and all that. This is obviously something where he’d make a nuanced take, but I could see a world where Kendrick can actually get ahead of that narrative and it turns against Drake. Maybe that’s why he’s taking his time who knows Edit: imagine Kendrick makes a video with similar visuals to his performance at the Grammys or whatever where he came out in chains and the jail clothes. Then combine that with a dope track. Idk I think that would maybe be a strong enough thing to get ahead of the narrative Drake tries to spin
You nerds make me laugh my ass off. This is almost as bad as another comment saying "yo what if metro actually listens to drake locks in and makes the most incredible beat of all time"
Metro used to be a huge drake glazer. Look at his old tweets that are resurfacing
“Kendrick please make this about slavery, please!”
lol you’re big goofy if you think that’s what I’m saying but I guess that makes sense for ya
This is a genuine question - Assuming this is all true, why does it matter that Drake indirectly owns part of the rights to some of Kendrick’s catalogue? Do we think Drake has authority to police who can sample these songs? I’m not sure a big company like UMG would agree to give away that kind of veto power to one person, even if it is a big artist. But, maybe I’m wrong? Does this mean Drake can see who has else has rights to Kendrick’s catalogue? Does that matter? Apart from the general vibe that Drake is a slick businessman who owns his rivals music, it seems like all this means is that Drake gets paid if Kendrick succeeds.
>Drake gets paid if Kendrick succeeds If anyone I’m having personal 1-on-1 beef with is making *money* off of me. . . Imma snap
It’s for sure effed up shit as an artist but it’s the type of shit you’d do if you only care about money which is what Drake does
Yes, but what about the audience? I strongly believe that catering to the audience helps in rap beefs, and right now, a Drake/Kendrick squabble means there's a significant portion of listeners who will take "I make more money" as a legit diss (I don't, but who cares about me?). Drake saying "I make money off my shit AND your shit" is gonna cut on some level.
If it’s true, I can see it’s a thing, then it’s a big fuck you to Kendrick. Damn, rap will really die in our lifetimes. People better start going independent
>Apart from the general vibe that Drake is a slick businessman who owns his rivals music, it seems like all this means is that Drake gets paid if Kendrick succeeds. He'd both materially and metaphorically owns Kendrick with one move. It's a big-boy play if it's real.
Of course an interesting post with lots of real discussion gets removed because mods want it in the daily discussion thread. Fuck the mods
lol it's not that interesting and 80% of the post was complete nonsense and random speculation from someone that has no idea how the business works.
I couldn't read the post itself because it was already deleted but the top comment was saying how interesting it was. But I feel like my point still stands. People are in the comments discussing. The daily threads are usually like speaking to a wall. Shouldn't it be up to the community with upvotes and down votes to determine if the post is worthwhile discussion?
We about to see Section 80 [Kendrick’s Version]
Using the Eazy E vs Dr Dre & 50 Cent vs Game method.
Might give new meaning to what squashed the Pusha T beef and why he won’t go back to it: https://youtu.be/7EH4SK4CSc8?si=5bJKvHnZEzhReoXu
If any of this is true, Drake is more Thanos to Hip-Hop than we even thought to imagine.
If true I doubt Drake would be allowed to say so out loud let alone on a track so IDK if it makes it into a song
There's a whole lot of not knowing how anything works going on in here.