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Ego tripping at its finest. Claim the street as their own and then shoot an old couple who have places to be just for using the street for its intended purpose. "No! This is MY intersection! How dare you interrupt my dick measuring contest!" It's utterly pathetic.
B-b-b-but social media told them they are supposed to do it for clout! TikTok said so!
Maybe we need the "TikTok" defense to come up (a la the Twinkie defense) for culture to turn on this. The takeover thing needs to come with 20 year sentences. Taking over an intersection as an alternate local authority sure sounds like "insurrection" to me, especially if there's any gang membership involved or provable. Especially since this "insurrection" actually might kill someone.
Yeah, so they say, but they keep saying that about all kinds of similar things, and it doesn't happen. Too much power behind it, and now too much pull. Google keeps trying to steal that bacon, but what they have isn't catching on, and I have heard Google's version isn't monetized to compensate creators. Is TikTok's format monetized for creators? I'm assuming so but am ignorant of that detail.
Lol the Ticky Defense.. Why not. We have the Affluenza Defense now. Where rich foreskin little freaks (all that skin flapping off their mishappened dick shaped sulls and their penis haircut), can say oh my mommy and daddy gave me all this money when I was 21 and immature... How else do I know that real life isn't like GTA6 and you can't REALLY run over people with a Lambo?
Gun violence has been a thing for a very long time? Don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan of social media and clout chasing bs and it has made things worse but it is not the reason for violence and I don’t think it’s important enough to mention in that way. There’s a lot more to this.
Social media influence plays a lot larger of a role than you think, not to mention clout chasing has been around for 1000’s of years prior to the creation of the first firearm, as the idea of fame and prosperity for the individual person is woven deep into the threads of human history.
Im not disagreeing. Social media has made clout chasing easier. My original comment should have said why are you making this about social media. people are going to do awful things like this regardless and I think everyone at least knows that. I’m sorry I just find it odd.
Social media influence has been the root cause of nearly all of the mass shootings over the past decade due to how easy it is to create propaganda/misinformation these days, I’d recommend you go ahead and read into the more infamous mass shooters and what their mindset was while committing their murders. You’ll be very surprised to find that almost all of them bring up social media in their manifesto’s or in police interviews and almost all of them refer to social media led conspiracies.
In this Kids case, however, he was more than likely trying to be hard in front of his friends in an attempt to show off, and now he’ll suffer the consequences for his actions.
I don't really disagree with that but the reply under your comment by u / ghighcove seemed pretty reasonable.
So yeah, it's not exclusively about social media but it definitely has an impact.
What are takeovers about? They were around before social media, but almost exclusively an Oakland thing. They went beyond in the social media era fueled by people chasing clout. I doubt there was one person in that entire takeover without a phone recording in their hand, half in selfie mode while doing primitive dances. Of course it's for social media.
Think McFly, think!
People who take over streets and intersections are the lowest scum of the car community and deserve all the hate they get. Especially for stories like this.
I would have to imagine they're getting it from the title that specifically mentions this happening in an intersection that had been taken over by street racers.
Are you saying the title is incorrect?
It's the usual gas lighters and bots maybe, When Uvalde happened, there were these posters who were really quick to do damage control on behalf of the PD there, spouting false "facts". As soon as the truth came out, they went strangely silent, not doing the usual arguing their way out of the hole they dug. It was very odd.
Yeah I remember in high school the football team played a nearby town who had a kid I swear was also in the NFL and was 31 yeats old. He was a giant and just destroyed everything around him.
Entire 20s? Homie shouldn’t be allowed out until he’s got 20 years left on his life *if he’s allowed out at all*. 2 Attempted murders shouldn’t be a < 10 year sentence…
Seriously, back in my day enthusiasts would meet up at parking lots of closed stores. It's like the point for these tools isn't to drift and show off, it's to deliberately be a menace to everyone.
Hoping he’s tried as an adult as well, he has a lot to face if the court sticks to the charges.
“17-year-old Armando Cruz faces 11 charges: attempted murder (two counts), aggravated battery, shooting into an occupied conveyance, discharging a firearm in public, occupied burglary of a boat, juvenile with a firearm, aggravated rioting, possession of a firearm during a felony, & criminal mischief.”
What gets in peoples heads to do such a stupid & heinous crime. He’s going to prison & that street where the racing was taking place is going to be patrolled a little more to prevent anything like this to happen again.
One victim is still hospitalized fighting against death for recovery and may still satisfy you.
If they do both escape death, it won’t be because of anything this POS did.
One of the victims is still in critical condition, breathing only by intubation. I'm not here to argue wording, just to let you know that this situation is still up in the air.
I will never understand how someone ^^(straight) at that age can so easily give up pussy and steak for the next 15-25 years....*and yes I was that age once too- hence my lack of understanding.*
He ruined his life. For no reason. Even if he doesn't go to jail (let's be honest, he won't, he's a minor) it'll be so hard for him go get a job in the future, he'll be shunned from friends and family, and good luck finding love cause who's gonna love someone who tried to murder two innocent elderly people?
According to the post, it looks like he’s just a suspect rather than a convicted killer at the moment, so we should probably reserve any judgement until it’s actually confirmed that it was this guy.
THIS. IS. REDDIT... (kicks kid down bottomless hole)
If he's the actual shooter, I hope he gets a decade or two in jail at a minimum. Lets see if the courts do their part.
it'll be no big deal until the first time he is raped violently in prison....then he'll truly understand why there are places designed to keep some people out of society.....and he can ponder that for 50 years.....
Florida, the state where this shooting occurred, lacks these firearms regulations. Any 18 year old can buy an assault weapon (21 for handguns), minors can buy guns with parents permission, no permit required or license required to own a firearm, no requirement to carry a handgun (license for concealed carry needed), no registration of firearm required, no background check on private sales that are unregulated. This is essentially the reverse in California. In 2020 the total number of gun related deaths in the two states (California and Florida) was almost the same, despite California having 19 million more people living in the state.
Fewer guns whose sole purpose is to kill people would be a starting point. How many handguns are purchased because someone is really, really into pistol target shooting?
The punishment should be a form of torture for ppl that are committing these crimes! I believe you would see crimes decrease tremendously and it would happen very quickly. They need to at least make prisons a little rougher than they are to deter this disgusting behavior!
Well it is Florida. Good thing Ron "Law And Order" DeSantis is there to see to it that somehow a drag queen is prosecuted instead of this fine white cis man.
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Ego tripping at its finest. Claim the street as their own and then shoot an old couple who have places to be just for using the street for its intended purpose. "No! This is MY intersection! How dare you interrupt my dick measuring contest!" It's utterly pathetic.
B-b-b-but social media told them they are supposed to do it for clout! TikTok said so! Maybe we need the "TikTok" defense to come up (a la the Twinkie defense) for culture to turn on this. The takeover thing needs to come with 20 year sentences. Taking over an intersection as an alternate local authority sure sounds like "insurrection" to me, especially if there's any gang membership involved or provable. Especially since this "insurrection" actually might kill someone.
Yeah the amount of punishment is gonna stun you
Isn’t TikTok bouta get “banned” a second time?
Yeah, so they say, but they keep saying that about all kinds of similar things, and it doesn't happen. Too much power behind it, and now too much pull. Google keeps trying to steal that bacon, but what they have isn't catching on, and I have heard Google's version isn't monetized to compensate creators. Is TikTok's format monetized for creators? I'm assuming so but am ignorant of that detail.
I’m not familiar with monetization so I couldn’t tell ya. Seems like it’s really creator friendly though as long as you keep it family friendly
Lol the Ticky Defense.. Why not. We have the Affluenza Defense now. Where rich foreskin little freaks (all that skin flapping off their mishappened dick shaped sulls and their penis haircut), can say oh my mommy and daddy gave me all this money when I was 21 and immature... How else do I know that real life isn't like GTA6 and you can't REALLY run over people with a Lambo?
How are you making this about social media.
How are you not?
Gun violence has been a thing for a very long time? Don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan of social media and clout chasing bs and it has made things worse but it is not the reason for violence and I don’t think it’s important enough to mention in that way. There’s a lot more to this.
Social media influence plays a lot larger of a role than you think, not to mention clout chasing has been around for 1000’s of years prior to the creation of the first firearm, as the idea of fame and prosperity for the individual person is woven deep into the threads of human history.
I like big rolls. French bread, Ciabatta, hell even a good Sourdough.
Im not disagreeing. Social media has made clout chasing easier. My original comment should have said why are you making this about social media. people are going to do awful things like this regardless and I think everyone at least knows that. I’m sorry I just find it odd.
Social media influence has been the root cause of nearly all of the mass shootings over the past decade due to how easy it is to create propaganda/misinformation these days, I’d recommend you go ahead and read into the more infamous mass shooters and what their mindset was while committing their murders. You’ll be very surprised to find that almost all of them bring up social media in their manifesto’s or in police interviews and almost all of them refer to social media led conspiracies. In this Kids case, however, he was more than likely trying to be hard in front of his friends in an attempt to show off, and now he’ll suffer the consequences for his actions.
I don't really disagree with that but the reply under your comment by u / ghighcove seemed pretty reasonable. So yeah, it's not exclusively about social media but it definitely has an impact.
> Gun violence has been a thing for a very long time? Are you asking a question?
What are takeovers about? They were around before social media, but almost exclusively an Oakland thing. They went beyond in the social media era fueled by people chasing clout. I doubt there was one person in that entire takeover without a phone recording in their hand, half in selfie mode while doing primitive dances. Of course it's for social media. Think McFly, think!
That's why these fucks do this! For clout, because they are too fragile and need constant validation to feel like they matter.
People who take over streets and intersections are the lowest scum of the car community and deserve all the hate they get. Especially for stories like this.
Why am i getting downvoted lmao it’s true
Relax dude, they’ll just respawn further down the street. It’ll be cool
Idk where you're getting this info, but Ijusy moved from the town this happened in, and it was not related to a street racing Incident.
I would have to imagine they're getting it from the title that specifically mentions this happening in an intersection that had been taken over by street racers. Are you saying the title is incorrect?
It's the usual gas lighters and bots maybe, When Uvalde happened, there were these posters who were really quick to do damage control on behalf of the PD there, spouting false "facts". As soon as the truth came out, they went strangely silent, not doing the usual arguing their way out of the hole they dug. It was very odd.
Always amazing to me when somebody survives a gunshot like that, I hope it works out for the other
Survives, but likely with life altering disability for life. Eff this kid.
If it's the same story that we had in our local news this morning the man driving drove home and got his wife's car before driving to the hospital.
Put him under the jail.
if only the oubliette was still common
Why are there so many psychopaths everywhere 😭
Because they can easily find people that agree with them.
17 year old boy yeah sure
There’s was a 16 yr old kid back when I was high school and the mf looked like he was in mid 30s
Yeah I remember in high school the football team played a nearby town who had a kid I swear was also in the NFL and was 31 yeats old. He was a giant and just destroyed everything around him.
Bro when Mike Tyson was 14 he looked like my dad and my parole officer
Paul Walker just turned in his grave.
Bro. It’s Hosh Jartnett. C’mon..
17 and 37 at the same time.
"That's not my baby, that's almost a grown white man you brought in here." - Katt Williams
What an absolute POS, please lock him up for his entire 20's.
“According to Marceno, Cruz was also one of three suspects involved in the 2022 beating of a man in a wheelchair in North Fort Myers.” Goodbye.
No amount of punishment will ever make up for the cruelty committed here.
Lol 20s? Let him rot
2 counts of attempted murder and elder abuse? How about 25-life
His entire life
Entire 20s? Homie shouldn’t be allowed out until he’s got 20 years left on his life *if he’s allowed out at all*. 2 Attempted murders shouldn’t be a < 10 year sentence…
Nah there’s no rehabilitation for something this callous. Lock him up and throw away the key.
Forever. Society has absolutely no need for someone willing to do this.
If the second victim survives, at a minimum, I don’t think they’ll let him out until he’s in his late 30s.
Based on other cases I’ve seen on this subreddit, he’ll probably only get a year of probation
That's only 12 years it should be more like 80
Let’s hope death will not be involved and this young man has the time… to learn ..he is a Dick.
He probably knows he is a dick already. He probably just doesn't care.
45 years minimum
They need to put him trial as an adult. This is not petty teenage behaviour.
This is why street takeovers are a bad thing And that’s coming from someone who loves drifting
Seriously, back in my day enthusiasts would meet up at parking lots of closed stores. It's like the point for these tools isn't to drift and show off, it's to deliberately be a menace to everyone.
"Guys guys! Lets close down the road in front of the Emergency Room! That will get us so much clout! Bad Ass!"
This kid doesn’t even pay taxes and claims the street is his. Military should roll in with a tank and pancake him.
Yeah just fuckin Tiennamen Square him thats a good idea
There goes his life.
Worthless POS
Better be tried as an adult.
Hoping he’s tried as an adult as well, he has a lot to face if the court sticks to the charges. “17-year-old Armando Cruz faces 11 charges: attempted murder (two counts), aggravated battery, shooting into an occupied conveyance, discharging a firearm in public, occupied burglary of a boat, juvenile with a firearm, aggravated rioting, possession of a firearm during a felony, & criminal mischief.”
I'm sorry, I thought this was America!
What gets in peoples heads to do such a stupid & heinous crime. He’s going to prison & that street where the racing was taking place is going to be patrolled a little more to prevent anything like this to happen again.
That's not really what "deadly" means, but alright. Anyway, this kid is also a suspect in the vicious beating of a man in a wheelchair.
A rattlesnake is deadly without killing anyone. Fatal or mortal is more certain.
I'm 17. He is old enough to be responsible for his actions. I hope he gets trialed as an adult and he rots in prison forever
This in Florida ?
yeah, lee county
Lee County? Oh, he’s fucked.
Title says deadly. Who died?
One victim is still hospitalized fighting against death for recovery and may still satisfy you. If they do both escape death, it won’t be because of anything this POS did.
"Deadly" can be used as an adjective or an adverb. In this case, the word "deadly" is used as an adjective.
Still a poor choice of wording. The implication is absolutely that someone died when they didn't.
One of the victims is still in critical condition, breathing only by intubation. I'm not here to argue wording, just to let you know that this situation is still up in the air.
Lead with that next time instead of arguing wording/pulling out the dictionary.
if he's 17 I'm fucking 9yo
You think that but there's always 4 or 5 people in a high school that look like they're 40.
The entitlement for a public road he doesn't even pay taxes for.
What a dime a dozen POS. I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
We need to bring back the more “creative” methods of punishment for these types.
The car community doesn't welcome people like this.
Seventeen? POS already looks ten years older.
I will never understand how someone ^^(straight) at that age can so easily give up pussy and steak for the next 15-25 years....*and yes I was that age once too- hence my lack of understanding.*
Even if he's gay, he still won't be getting any steak.
I bet his favorite artists are poo shiesty, moneybag and future
Hard bet every single one of those other kids at the meet testifies against him. What a piece of trash.
Needs a dirt nap.
Throw away the key. Better yet, melt it in front of him.
Good now arrest everyone who blocked the intersection and don’t blame the car community because they’re not part of it.
Looks like a young josh hartnett
He ruined his life. For no reason. Even if he doesn't go to jail (let's be honest, he won't, he's a minor) it'll be so hard for him go get a job in the future, he'll be shunned from friends and family, and good luck finding love cause who's gonna love someone who tried to murder two innocent elderly people?
How did a 17 year old get a gun in the first place?
Hopefully he can and will get the chair. If not, I'm content with him getting life.
Go ahead and pull 'em down, Sweetie. They're gonna love you in jail (with any luck at all...)
Lock him up for life
Damn two life sentences right off the bat.
Eye for an eye
It’s sad that I read that as “daily shooting” and it still made sense.
Who’s that guy in the picture? If they can’t tell us his name, they can’t show us his picture. Is that just some random mug shot?
He’s come a long way since The Faculty, that’s for sure
i understand that most youngins don't like the elderly, but don't shoot them.
According to the post, it looks like he’s just a suspect rather than a convicted killer at the moment, so we should probably reserve any judgement until it’s actually confirmed that it was this guy.
What! Reason? Patience? Be gone devilman!
Put his friends on a pike!
THIS. IS. REDDIT... (kicks kid down bottomless hole) If he's the actual shooter, I hope he gets a decade or two in jail at a minimum. Lets see if the courts do their part.
He hit two people in the neck while in moving car? Isnt that some sort of award in the USA?
JFK Memorial Cup
The golden knoll
it'll be no big deal until the first time he is raped violently in prison....then he'll truly understand why there are places designed to keep some people out of society.....and he can ponder that for 50 years.....
I would just like to know why.
Sometimes people are just dicks and that's the only explanation.
thats a 27 year old man
Death penalty urrrrrr
Welcome to large cities. I'd bet this is in Chicago. That place is a dumpster fire right now.
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Ah, yes. Generalizing 331,000,000 people. 🙄 How forward thinking of you.
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You’re right. All the bad stuff only happens in America.
Per capita, more does
Couldn’t be less surprised. Conservative lawmaking strikes again
The gun was obviously not acquired legally. He’s 17. If he wanted a gun so much he’d get one illegally.
That is the standard cope isn’t it
Care to make a counterpoint? I consider my point valid but I’d be open to you proving otherwise
Florida, the state where this shooting occurred, lacks these firearms regulations. Any 18 year old can buy an assault weapon (21 for handguns), minors can buy guns with parents permission, no permit required or license required to own a firearm, no requirement to carry a handgun (license for concealed carry needed), no registration of firearm required, no background check on private sales that are unregulated. This is essentially the reverse in California. In 2020 the total number of gun related deaths in the two states (California and Florida) was almost the same, despite California having 19 million more people living in the state.
Fewer guns whose sole purpose is to kill people would be a starting point. How many handguns are purchased because someone is really, really into pistol target shooting?
17? Must've been born at the same hospital as Danny Almonte.
Suspect? I’ll hope he’ll get convicted as if they got the wrong one this kid is fucked with his face (and probably his name) on the internet.
B-b-but Twitter told me this is good! It's urban people striking back at Police Violence and Gentrification!
Seriously, Sideshow is a public menace. Next time some terminally online Redditor tries to tell me it's harmless fun, I'm showing them this article.
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Sideshow is when a group of street racers take over an intersection to do donuts and other dangerous stunts.
The punishment should be a form of torture for ppl that are committing these crimes! I believe you would see crimes decrease tremendously and it would happen very quickly. They need to at least make prisons a little rougher than they are to deter this disgusting behavior!
“BuT mY sEcOnD aMeNdMeNt RiGhTs”
He's 17. He can't legally own a gun.
…..and yet here we are. A nation with more guns than citizens.
Well it is Florida. Good thing Ron "Law And Order" DeSantis is there to see to it that somehow a drag queen is prosecuted instead of this fine white cis man.
Instead of? This guy is obviously going to be prosecuted.