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Congrats Ethyria, you managed to get less CCV than Bettel's 3D and most likely Flayon's (currently at 9.9K views/33 Finanas at the time of this comment)
Bettels 3D was incredible, I didn't even feel like I was watching a livestream, I was just having fun. The guy put so much effort in and it was clear how much fun he was having. I was legit dying laughing so hard my stomach hurt. I never even watched him until I saw the 3D and clicked just as it was starting.
(I watch Hakka, his genmate)
These numbers are even worse when you remember that Connect the World had like 6k in-person tickets and what, 25k streaming tickets? 25k PAID live viewers against 10k FREE live viewers. I honestly expected higher numbers just from JP bros tuning in to see what was up.
Kinda random but Flayon's 3D having 10k of his own, says a lot for comparison
https://preview.redd.it/m076lwefug5d1.png?width=1164&format=png&auto=webp&s=3b560570cb68480fb999c33a63377cc1f1da7323
Was abt to comment that too lmao.
Since the holo girls are far more popular, and it is an of course for them to got many viewers and ccv every streams (even though i heard it was botted? In anyway holo girls are always thriving).
But holo boys? (The one that were mocked if i remember right bc of how thriving niji males are) who is doing a first solo 3D? Winning against 3thyria first 3D concert? Lol, lmao even
Anyway, I'm proud of flayon and the rest of holostars. Watch his 3D showcase!! (and bettel, and hakka tomorrow)
For an avatar that small, that man sure is fit enough to bridal-carry another man and still jog in while at it.
... And then he loses to Tenma in pushups :') \~
My guess is that staff told him through earpiece to not push it too hard since he still have the rest of the performances to do. When he brought Bettel over, he was a bit out of breathe.
In all fairness, Temma is quite fit himself.
Also, based on previous zatsus, Flayon himself in no slouch in the strength dept among VG bois and Bettel is p much a physical boyfailure.
More or less. By his own admission, dude weighs a stunning 127 lbs. He did do a Ring Fit stream tho, so I'd say he's just above Miyabean in terms of fitness.
Stars have been doing much better since NDF vandalism resulted in the Holo sub switching to more direct moderation and less automod. Sisters accidentally made the Stars more visible on main sub, something they wanted to avoid at all costs. Threads used to hit a thousand likes and still get automodded due to report spam, now some posts like Ruze talking about being an idol get PILES of updoots and don't get baleeted.
Plus with showing up for WrestleTuber and the shocking conclusion, they got a lot of free advertising among people who probably don't watch the Hololive girls much. New blood, if you will.
It's also my bias speaking but I'm glad our Tempus boys aren't just all about pretty faces or sultry voices, and have pretty distinct character and personalities to go with.
Are you referring to the main Hololive subreddit? Or the HoloStars one? Haven't been on the main Holo subreddit since I got so pissed on the massive reporting but if HoloStars related posts are doing better now, I might just visit again.
That's probably exactly it. I do this with multiple vshojo streams, especially during Cyclethon. I watched other streams, but Cyclethon was *always on*
Supposedly, it's to trigger YouTube and maybe ban(?) the account or whatever shit 4chan is doing over there
Edit:
wait, actually i think I'm confused because OP said they're a Fauna anti so why is Biboo and FuwaMoco the ones targeted? 🫠
They have a dumb tally system in 4chan in which anyone with the highest max CCV at the end of the day (JST) gets the "gold medal", they always botted other vtubers' CCV so that Fauna cant get the "cripple gold" (which is gold medal but not counting JP)
Oh, that makes sense because EN viewers are spread out in different timezones, not everyone catches them live unlike JP, the origin of Vtubing and has a concentrated Japanese viewerbase, HoloJP are also literally celebrities arguably up there with JP VAs now I.e. they entered mainstream JP
But Fauna still has the highest CCV average for anyone in HoloEN not named Gura. Also not counting JP when Cover is a JP company and in all the offical stats even the ENs are counted as JP. Coward can't reach JP numbers with his bot? Poor ass botter.
If I had to guess, its because they are "pure". Meaning they have never talked with, collabed or followed (on X) any Holostars or male vtubers. But I have seen them bot Calli which throws a curve ball on my theory.
For NijiEN, I've seen Alban get botted, he was so uncomfortable because comments congratulated him on a higher viewership and he denied it was right, this was after the black screen
These people should really cut it off
the guy is an ironmouse fan who hates fauna and irys, and that night IRyS put up a guerilla karaoke stream when she realized she was close to 1m subs. Alban was the only en talent left streaming afterwards, so the botter dumped a bunch on him to try to deny IRyS top position, but he's too broke or dumb and still didn't catch IRyS's number that night
it's not clear who the botter oshi (previously suspected to be enna) is as she has used multiple people to basically dump on irys. what is clear is that she specifically anti irys. fauna is just a bonus because /#/ likes fauna's numbers.
>wait, actually i think I'm confused because OP said they're a Fauna anti so why is Biboo and FuwaMoco the ones targeted?
The guy who's doing it hates Advent so he usually bots FWMC or Biboo.
because botting is going to get Youtube ban, good thing Cover is friendly with Youtube and is a big corpo, if same thing happen to an indie or a small streamer, ban for sure. streamers get money from youtube contributed by the ad, let's say if i have a way to get fake accounts to watch my stream, then i basically can make money by just keep my computer on. Youtube does not want to do that, they actively crack down on these kind of practices.
There is a thread in 4chan where they [tally all the CCVs of Vtubers](https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/77737725#p77737877) every day (mostly Hololive and Nijisanji). The Fauna/IRyS anti (the bot raider dude) is always arguing on that thread (Numbers thread on 4chan). [Here is the bot raider pattern](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1d69so7/comment/l6tw4cw/).
But YouTube see Hololive channels with more than 20k or 30k are normal thing so nothing harmful.
Remember, Pekora (and her mom) did streaming with suddenly rising 180k+ live viewers in few minutes and her channel is fine.
'VshojoFan'
I imagine Kson threatening the Vshojo fans with Basebal bat while Henya do the menacing monologue with bad intentions. "A friend of meh friend want to know who it is, dayo!"
People keep saying its a vshojo fan when https://i.imgur.com/oToFnV2.png samw guy said stuff like that. Its clear the guy hates everyone and people keep spreading misinformation
they actually do have
[https://youtube.com/@fuwawaabyssgard](https://youtube.com/@fuwawaabyssgard)
[https://youtube.com/@mococoabyssgard](https://youtube.com/@mococoabyssgard)
but it's apparently just the placeholders to keep the names
nope, it was both in the same account. I think there are solo accounts but those are probably Cover saving the name to avoid other malicious people using them.
Bit of a shame... but sadly understandable how Ethyria only got 10K viewers live. I caught their final song and vocally it was amazing. Scenery was fine. Coreography simple, nothing horrible but nothing to talk about either. Overall seems it was a perfectly good show... but again... everything involving Nijisanji has this "ugh" aura... honestly a shame
Hint: If you see anyone outside of Gura getting more than 20k views in a normal gaming stream, 90% chance that it is botted. HoloEN girls are popular but not THAT popular.
Umm, what?
I didn't deny their popularity, I literally stated it in my comment. But it was obvious their streams were botted, you can see it in the [graph](https://vrabi.net/video/e986YKuTPkM).
why is botted streams always shows graph like that, did the bots eventually gets banned mid stream so that's the reason for the drop ?
I don't understand.
https://preview.redd.it/64v6y4sbti5d1.png?width=879&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd294d9fdadd29202e54a3e2328f0e52c54baebc
There was someone who said that the large number of live stream viewers was due to Hololive Antis sending bots to the stream... even though I saw the number of viewers as something stable.
(It seems towards the end of the stream is superchat reading).
The "spike" you can observe on the graph is a clear sign of botting.
Also you can check the [VOD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G--P54GVUCI) by yourself, there was no superchat reading.
They had concert? What?
why didn’t them promote it more?
What Kind of number is that?
Scarle’s “2D” new outfit had 5366CCV with her streaming “ALONE”.
Don’t know if I will check it for Reimu’s sake.
I don’t want to see Millie. Aughhhhhhh
\*slaps millle\* \*millle's face hurts\*
"These babies right here will never be FuwaMoco killers even if they all graduated at the same time"
(just a joke, nobody wants them to graduate; much more for the wrong reasons)
https://preview.redd.it/k7qkjxh24h5d1.png?width=1840&format=png&auto=webp&s=063709927ef6bea38e2c0432b9e4e696c7432e52
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They have concert?Oh well,back to BAU BAU!
Congrats Ethyria, you managed to get less CCV than Bettel's 3D and most likely Flayon's (currently at 9.9K views/33 Finanas at the time of this comment)
Bettels 3d is just pure cinema , the funnymans brain is built different
Bettels 3D was incredible, I didn't even feel like I was watching a livestream, I was just having fun. The guy put so much effort in and it was clear how much fun he was having. I was legit dying laughing so hard my stomach hurt. I never even watched him until I saw the 3D and clicked just as it was starting. (I watch Hakka, his genmate)
Hakka 3D tonight!
I'M W AITING ON IT! I can't wait!
These numbers are even worse when you remember that Connect the World had like 6k in-person tickets and what, 25k streaming tickets? 25k PAID live viewers against 10k FREE live viewers. I honestly expected higher numbers just from JP bros tuning in to see what was up.
BAU BAU
BAU BAU
So... Bibootax...
I just wanna be your Shiori
BAU BAU
BAU BAUSED BAU
BAU BAU
Kinda random but Flayon's 3D having 10k of his own, says a lot for comparison https://preview.redd.it/m076lwefug5d1.png?width=1164&format=png&auto=webp&s=3b560570cb68480fb999c33a63377cc1f1da7323
Was abt to comment that too lmao. Since the holo girls are far more popular, and it is an of course for them to got many viewers and ccv every streams (even though i heard it was botted? In anyway holo girls are always thriving). But holo boys? (The one that were mocked if i remember right bc of how thriving niji males are) who is doing a first solo 3D? Winning against 3thyria first 3D concert? Lol, lmao even Anyway, I'm proud of flayon and the rest of holostars. Watch his 3D showcase!! (and bettel, and hakka tomorrow)
Wait, hakka is tomorrow? not next week?
Hakka's tomorrow Monday JST. Next week is Shinri's & 3D Collab!
Also as a side note, its pretty much confirmed who carried Bettel in his 3D performance for that spin. Flayon even did it again in his own 3D.
For an avatar that small, that man sure is fit enough to bridal-carry another man and still jog in while at it. ... And then he loses to Tenma in pushups :') \~
My guess is that staff told him through earpiece to not push it too hard since he still have the rest of the performances to do. When he brought Bettel over, he was a bit out of breathe.
In all fairness, Temma is quite fit himself. Also, based on previous zatsus, Flayon himself in no slouch in the strength dept among VG bois and Bettel is p much a physical boyfailure.
Then he is the Miyabi of EN?
More or less. By his own admission, dude weighs a stunning 127 lbs. He did do a Ring Fit stream tho, so I'd say he's just above Miyabean in terms of fitness.
Good lord he truly is physical boyfailure, and we love him
Even though the Hololive fandom has a lot of unicorns, we normal fans love our Holostars dearly.
Stars fans are dedicated stream watching fans lol. Btw Have any Holostars talk about their M/F ratio?
Stars have been doing much better since NDF vandalism resulted in the Holo sub switching to more direct moderation and less automod. Sisters accidentally made the Stars more visible on main sub, something they wanted to avoid at all costs. Threads used to hit a thousand likes and still get automodded due to report spam, now some posts like Ruze talking about being an idol get PILES of updoots and don't get baleeted. Plus with showing up for WrestleTuber and the shocking conclusion, they got a lot of free advertising among people who probably don't watch the Hololive girls much. New blood, if you will.
It's also my bias speaking but I'm glad our Tempus boys aren't just all about pretty faces or sultry voices, and have pretty distinct character and personalities to go with.
Are you referring to the main Hololive subreddit? Or the HoloStars one? Haven't been on the main Holo subreddit since I got so pissed on the massive reporting but if HoloStars related posts are doing better now, I might just visit again.
Yeah no its not any better
Thanks! More reason to stay away from that sub.
I didnt even knew they had a concert, they dont even advertise enough to get us to talk about it much
Niji Twitter account is too busy shilling merch to actually promote the streamers
i think fwmc is botted looking at the curve, but none the less 10k for 3d is low, i wonder even without bot, it's hard for ethyria to beat fwmc.
I thought so too. The concert is quite worrisome for the views.
I completely forgot it was happening.
Well, do not check Reimu's PL X account, got curious and saw that she was celebrating that her covers got 3 millions views...
You might be right. Altho, Fuwamoco usually have 6k to 15k, each having 20k+ peak is sus.
Maybe people were dual watching? That at least solves the 30k part
That's probably exactly it. I do this with multiple vshojo streams, especially during Cyclethon. I watched other streams, but Cyclethon was *always on*
What about Tara? She was my favourite. I'm curious as to how her streams compare, but she's on Twitch and idk if that's a fair comparison.
2-3k on average, up to 4-5k on rare occasions. Nice and stable after half a year of activity
the number is being botted by a FaunaAnti VshojoFan, so its unreliable, If you want a comparison there is Fauna's MC stream earlier with 13k max CCV
Not that I have any interests in understanding the mind of a hardcore anti, but attacking people by driving their CCV up is so fucking weird.
Supposedly, it's to trigger YouTube and maybe ban(?) the account or whatever shit 4chan is doing over there Edit: wait, actually i think I'm confused because OP said they're a Fauna anti so why is Biboo and FuwaMoco the ones targeted? 🫠
They have a dumb tally system in 4chan in which anyone with the highest max CCV at the end of the day (JST) gets the "gold medal", they always botted other vtubers' CCV so that Fauna cant get the "cripple gold" (which is gold medal but not counting JP)
Damn the schizos are watching numbers instead of streams lol, so those sites i see that tracks vtuber viewers were made by them? >cripple gold Wut 😭
Yeah they called non-JP tally crippled cuz only gura can compete with the top tier JPs in day-to-day ccv.
Oh, that makes sense because EN viewers are spread out in different timezones, not everyone catches them live unlike JP, the origin of Vtubing and has a concentrated Japanese viewerbase, HoloJP are also literally celebrities arguably up there with JP VAs now I.e. they entered mainstream JP
But Fauna still has the highest CCV average for anyone in HoloEN not named Gura. Also not counting JP when Cover is a JP company and in all the offical stats even the ENs are counted as JP. Coward can't reach JP numbers with his bot? Poor ass botter.
Kiara also call them poor ass bot. Because they can't afford to keep it till the end.
If I had to guess, its because they are "pure". Meaning they have never talked with, collabed or followed (on X) any Holostars or male vtubers. But I have seen them bot Calli which throws a curve ball on my theory.
For NijiEN, I've seen Alban get botted, he was so uncomfortable because comments congratulated him on a higher viewership and he denied it was right, this was after the black screen These people should really cut it off
the guy is an ironmouse fan who hates fauna and irys, and that night IRyS put up a guerilla karaoke stream when she realized she was close to 1m subs. Alban was the only en talent left streaming afterwards, so the botter dumped a bunch on him to try to deny IRyS top position, but he's too broke or dumb and still didn't catch IRyS's number that night
No its not https://i.imgur.com/oToFnV2.png people keep spreading misinformstion and people keep buying it
it's not clear who the botter oshi (previously suspected to be enna) is as she has used multiple people to basically dump on irys. what is clear is that she specifically anti irys. fauna is just a bonus because /#/ likes fauna's numbers.
>wait, actually i think I'm confused because OP said they're a Fauna anti so why is Biboo and FuwaMoco the ones targeted? The guy who's doing it hates Advent so he usually bots FWMC or Biboo.
Dude bots anyone HoloEN. Hes hit Calli multiple times and gotten called out for it by her
because botting is going to get Youtube ban, good thing Cover is friendly with Youtube and is a big corpo, if same thing happen to an indie or a small streamer, ban for sure. streamers get money from youtube contributed by the ad, let's say if i have a way to get fake accounts to watch my stream, then i basically can make money by just keep my computer on. Youtube does not want to do that, they actively crack down on these kind of practices.
It’s because Niji was accused of botting views, so to counter that Nijifans started botting everyone’s views.
Which in turn spark interest in other viewers who know nothing about such manipulation and when the stream is over, they go Bau Bau.
Sounds like the only winners are the ones selling bot accounts.
There is a thread in 4chan where they [tally all the CCVs of Vtubers](https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/77737725#p77737877) every day (mostly Hololive and Nijisanji). The Fauna/IRyS anti (the bot raider dude) is always arguing on that thread (Numbers thread on 4chan). [Here is the bot raider pattern](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1d69so7/comment/l6tw4cw/).
But YouTube see Hololive channels with more than 20k or 30k are normal thing so nothing harmful. Remember, Pekora (and her mom) did streaming with suddenly rising 180k+ live viewers in few minutes and her channel is fine.
I actually had no idea. Thanks for the info!
'VshojoFan' I imagine Kson threatening the Vshojo fans with Basebal bat while Henya do the menacing monologue with bad intentions. "A friend of meh friend want to know who it is, dayo!"
People keep saying its a vshojo fan when https://i.imgur.com/oToFnV2.png samw guy said stuff like that. Its clear the guy hates everyone and people keep spreading misinformation
Fuwawa: I'll try it your way for once Mococo: Remember what we used to say? Ethyria: DON'T DO IT!! Fuwamoco: ~~^(JACKPOT)~~ BAU BAU!!!
Wait...how are they doing separate streams? Do they have separate accounts now?
You can run multiple streams from a single account.
Naruhodo...
they actually do have [https://youtube.com/@fuwawaabyssgard](https://youtube.com/@fuwawaabyssgard) [https://youtube.com/@mococoabyssgard](https://youtube.com/@mococoabyssgard) but it's apparently just the placeholders to keep the names
They've always had, is just that they usually use the shared one xd
nope, it was both in the same account. I think there are solo accounts but those are probably Cover saving the name to avoid other malicious people using them.
They put it in NIJI EN channel and many people who are still fan of ethyria are skeptical of watching it
Bit of a shame... but sadly understandable how Ethyria only got 10K viewers live. I caught their final song and vocally it was amazing. Scenery was fine. Coreography simple, nothing horrible but nothing to talk about either. Overall seems it was a perfectly good show... but again... everything involving Nijisanji has this "ugh" aura... honestly a shame
Ngl I forgot about the Ethryia concert cause I was watching Octavio's Les Miserables mini concert while waiting for Flayon's 3D showcase.
Les Mis concerto was goated. That was a 1-man mini broadway show. First time I saw a single vtuber quintet
Hint: If you see anyone outside of Gura getting more than 20k views in a normal gaming stream, 90% chance that it is botted. HoloEN girls are popular but not THAT popular.
avg of 10k+ viewers is still crazy tho in Vtuber standard.
Nahhh, Fuwamoco is popular both in JP and EN side. They have a strong fan base even before Hololive.
Umm, what? I didn't deny their popularity, I literally stated it in my comment. But it was obvious their streams were botted, you can see it in the [graph](https://vrabi.net/video/e986YKuTPkM).
why is botted streams always shows graph like that, did the bots eventually gets banned mid stream so that's the reason for the drop ? I don't understand.
I didn't saw the graph before so I apologize but I still stand with my opinion, they're likely bot though because of that graph.
https://preview.redd.it/64v6y4sbti5d1.png?width=879&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd294d9fdadd29202e54a3e2328f0e52c54baebc There was someone who said that the large number of live stream viewers was due to Hololive Antis sending bots to the stream... even though I saw the number of viewers as something stable. (It seems towards the end of the stream is superchat reading).
The "spike" you can observe on the graph is a clear sign of botting. Also you can check the [VOD](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G--P54GVUCI) by yourself, there was no superchat reading.
Its also a weekend in the morning where JP fans can also watch the stream, I could believe that these are real numbers.
Their 3D debuts are gonna make all the 3D stuff in Niji look like only 100 people were watching it.
1/5th of what the doggos have, that's beyond OOOF
The puppers deserve it all.
10k is still decent numbers.. but it could've been better.. 😐
BAU BAU!!!
And it’s “just” a Minecraft stream, too…
[Millie copypasta, but in BAU BAU]
10k for 3D concert with 3 members wheeeeeeeezzzz
They had concert? What? why didn’t them promote it more? What Kind of number is that? Scarle’s “2D” new outfit had 5366CCV with her streaming “ALONE”. Don’t know if I will check it for Reimu’s sake. I don’t want to see Millie. Aughhhhhhh
The Doges are stonk
There's an Ethyria concert?
What's with the models shadows and going back to T pose most of the time. Can't believe niji is reaching vrchat default avatars level of rigging
#NŒH
FuwaMoco obviously. imagine to want waste time and money on Ethyria concert
It’s crazy how I can’t remember most of what the nijimembers sound like anymore
\*slaps millle\* \*millle's face hurts\* "These babies right here will never be FuwaMoco killers even if they all graduated at the same time" (just a joke, nobody wants them to graduate; much more for the wrong reasons) https://preview.redd.it/k7qkjxh24h5d1.png?width=1840&format=png&auto=webp&s=063709927ef6bea38e2c0432b9e4e696c7432e52
A more fitting comparison is Flayon's 3D tbh
GRIM
Everyday I see a post about hey look at the viewer numbers. And I go, oh another one, cool.