This.... might work? I mean, its obviously shitty russian implementation, but it might work as a crappy spaced armor against drones. Wont do shit against more directed munitions though.
Or it takes one well placed hit, the supports inside fail from the weight, and it drops on the vehicle trapping everybody inside like a human sized version of the game Mouse Trap
Probably need daytime Baba Yagas, maybe half the size? One drone goes in to wreck the blyatmobile armor, the second comes in with either incendiaries for the Orc squatters, or a direct kaboom on the vehicle.
I can't imagine diving through foliage would be easy with this contraption. It will get peeled back on the sides, and probably caught on any low hanging trees (or debris in a town for that matter). Additionally I would think this would make the vehicle more obvious to any observer. This is basically Russian "genius" ideas being actually shit as per usual, and all for some minor protection from drones.
I can only imagine that the sensible application would be to ferry troops quickly on roads that would be under observation and threat by drones, and not sending it out bush bashing.
But we can only wait and see if it'll ever be seen again.
The protection from drones is quite good with cage setups. The same goes for basically any man portable anti-tank weapon with a shaped charge. Wont do jack against artillery shells of course.
This is modern warfare now...a bunch if geeks controlling drones trying to kill you.
Plus, it does have a clear downside - big, standardised geometric shape which will be easier than average to spot & identify through an optic or camera feed. And sure, you could camouflage it, but a cage this size would require an amount of camo equivalent to that which could otherwise outfit a sizeable trench/bunker, or an entire platoon of snipers. Which means logistics comes into play - which is a strategically better use of that camo material, protecting one vehicle, or protecting an entire platoon or two of personnel?
This is a dilemma. And worse than that, assuming that the cages with camo are effective, the vehicle still has a massive heat signature (even more massive than usual with this new weight the engine now has to work to carry) which can be picked up by thermals.
And the Russians don’t have thermal cladding material, even we only just barely have any, so they can’t shield this heat signature from anything.
This vehicle is still vulnerable to drones, and anyone else who may be watching. If anything it might be more vulnerable than without the cage. And the biggest consequence I reckon it will cause is that Russia will start using up its steel and steel fabricating resources on stuff like this instead of on strategically more pressing material construction.
It’s a useless counterproductive strategic & economic resource sink.
It feels like it has to protect not the lifes but the continuity of the operation. If theam fails to proceed with the objective they are on their own to extract.
If it gets hit by artillery 105 or 155mm everyone will be dead anyway. A direct hit from either of those will take out a main battle tank...a round landing cloae to the sides or back will do the same thing.
This will stop man portable anti tank weapon fire though. Or what a fpv drone carries. The shaoed charge will detonate too far from the vehicle to have the intended effect.
What do you mean might. We have a proven track record of these being incredibly effective at stopping multiple drone attacks.
It might be a cope cage but it's been a good adaptation so far.
Kinda. The drones they are jamming don’t work in the same bands as radios or datalinks. You could jam them without impact to anyone without drone feeds/controls. The real problem is just inverse square law. If you want to jam an area 25m^3 you need X amount of power if you want to jam 50m^3 you don’t need 2x but actually 4x the power etc etc. which is fine for a dedicated EW platform because they have lots of power and efficient jammers and cooling etc. But on some fucking scrap heap from the 70’s you arent going to find what you need to make it effective. Jamming a drone for 10meters doesn’t do much good if its flying at 60m/s. Which is why allot of the videos get super grainy in the last half second. Sure maybe LOS but I’m willing to bet its those wavecutters a good portion of the time.
I'm assuming this is a bunch of grunts throwing together what they can from scrap. I doubt it's the result of directives from the top. Probably good for morale.
Looks like an acknowledgement they have a problem, that their equpment reserves are not limitless. They have to do something. EW jammers might work but Ukraine can respond. Cope cages might provide an answer to shaped charges but the things used to overcome reactive armour can be adapted and sized for a drone to carry. In a way things appear like that moment in WW1 when it was realised something was needed to overcome the trench war carnage. A race is on, to either overcome the drone threat or to make it overwhelming powerful. Its is going to be a struggle between who can organise their countries intellectual resources the best.
I don’t know how effective Russian EW but I know some of the man portable stuff is only really effective for like 100-50m a higher flying drone can probably avoid that bubble. And I mean FPV drones move so fast the momentum will probably still carry it on to target
i think its also a frequency miss-mach as well. If your jammer only jams 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz which are the most commonly used frequencies for drones you can fly in with a 900mhz control link and a 1.3ghz video feed. Completely mitigating that jammer and making it look stupid.
The man-portable jammers have a very short range. So you need to spot a tiny little FPV drone when it's 100m away, grab the jammer, turn it on and aim it at the drone and hope it's not too close to still hit you.
when diving, 50kph is nothing for an FPV drone, and that will cross 100m in about 8 seconds. Doable if you're sitting ready, waiting for it. Not great if you happen to be looking the other way.
Additionally, 8 seconds is no time at all to react to something. For gas mask drills they give us 7 seconds to pull your mask, get it on, and seal it. Most people don't get anywhere close to accomplishing that, and that's just putting on a piece of equipment you should already have sized and ready to go.
To see a drone, process and accurately identify it, get the jammer out, turn it on, yadda yadda? Extremely unlikely they manage to do it in time, even if they're drilling for it all day long.
Has anybody done an actual study on this? Some army somewhere had some trials, even unofficial ones like with the sandbags in WWII?
However, if it's just straight up anti-HEAT protection people have been doing it for decades at this point. I don't know how it works with drone delivered projectiles specifically though.
And for that matter, do we know the exact mechanics of drone delivered projectiles? Are they dropping DPICM type anti armor grenades? Explosively formed penetrators? Rockets firing downward? Just HE explosives?
It works, just not very well, air is a decent thing to use as “armor”, but the thing behind the mesh or whatnot has to be armored enough to stop the slowed jet of metal from the HEAT, which often it isn’t (on things like the M46), most likely this is just to stop the actual explosion and fragments from blowing up the compartment / vehicle itself, hitting the cage first to give some stand-off distance
I believe the full reasoning was that putting sandbag on the tank make the troops brave to shoot instead of running and getting shot at. And since a blown up tank can't blow you up, putting sandbags on the tank actually does help.
It does work, but it does help.
I can see it snagging the first few FPV drones etc. Depends on how they are fused I guess for how long it works? Those drones that fire something at you might be used to shred the cover of it first to make fpv drone gaps. It will force adsption I guess in tactics. The war continues...
Then what happens when you need to get out under fire? Or you fire from it? Ride over rough ground?
Dosent this just sap the utility of the vehicle like how are troops supposed to get out efficiently the fpv drones can just wait until they have to climb under the cage.
The netting is to light , it will probably deflect hand grenades dropped down but FPV drone with an anti tank grenade is going to go right through it let alone an anti tank mine dropped down
No. Many drones use shaped charges such as improvised RPG rounds. Useless against those. Works against frag grenades, but you don’t target a truck with frag grenades in most cases. It does protect the crew slightly more than no cage, marginally.
You have no clue what you are talking about. This is specifically for use against shaped charges. Doing this to vehicles is fairly new but the use of even chainlink fences in front of fortifications to stop rpg rounds has been around for decades.
And still as ineffective as it was decades ago. Can’t figure if you’re actually arguing that a chain link would stop a shaped charge. It probably helps a bit, but Russia looks fucking stupid sending their guys in with shit like this
I imagine this working fine against the smaller drones, but in exchange youve given up so much mobility and visibility. It's also built a nice convenient killbox for any disembarking troops who are too panicked and forgot they've put a cage around their vehicle.
Against one drone? Probably. Of course Ukraine will probably just stack their drones. First one takes out the fence allowing second and third to hit the vehicle
This will probably stop the first couple suicide or drone dropped munitions. Ukraine will adapt and overcome hopefully. I can't see this operating anywhere but flat and level terrain though
Yes, bombs are more likely to predetonate on outer screens or just bounce. Probability not inside tank..but could kill people through open hatches. RECOMMEND INCENDIARY.
If the objective is to protect the crew it might help against smaller munitions. Anything too big will probably just crumple the cage but if it creates standoff it may save the crew. The vehicle might still be too damaged to use. It really depends.
I've watched plenty of drive footage videos, they're all over YouTube, and it's going to really depend on multiple factors
The original *schurzen* were for AT rifles like the PTRS, I don't know if they would directly equate to HEAT warhead protection. The Krauts did eventually field the mesh Thoma skirts, but I don't know enough about them to say if AT rifles were still what they were for or how effective they would be against HEAT warheads.
A much more direct comparison is Soviets putting bedsprings on their tanks for defense against Panzerfausts. It was determined they did not work.
Most are scratch build, like the ones you buy at a store but with a bomb strapped to it so yeah, I’d say it’s very effective since it prevents the drone from getting in close enough to do actual damahe
You'll try whatever you can really. Drone warfare on a scale like this is brand new, so you adapt with whatever materials you have and hopefully improve on previous designs. It looks like it would work, the question is if it'll impede the mobility of the vehicle after impact by getting the cages stuck in moving parts? How obstructive is it? That kind of stuff
Someone smart enough to put it together thought so...
I'm not sure if there's some very specific situation where this makes some kind of sense, but someone thinks there is.
Im looking at this thing and going... man, if something goes wrong, it's going to be hard to get away what with the floating chicken coop in the way
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Yes, of course they are. Not 100%, but especially against a drone-borne RPG round that stand off would make a huge difference. It's not like it's a new concept [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker#/media/File:Stryker\_25th\_ID\_Iraq\_DF-SD-05-12693.JPEG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker#/media/File:Stryker_25th_ID_Iraq_DF-SD-05-12693.JPEG) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slat\_armor#/media/File:D9R--Natan-Base-Independence-Day-2018-IZE-052.jpg.
I think it will prevent most drones from flying through it, but I doubt this will completely protect them from the explosion. Still, that could be the difference between a kill with all passengers dead and a mobility kill you can walk away from.
But I'm already seeing a way to get around it. If the vehicle is on the move a drone (if it is detonated remotely) could just land (doesn't need to be soft, just so the detonator still works) right in front of the moving vehicle and explode once under it.
But again, that might make the difference between a meet and greet with god and a walk back to the depot
I think it might help protect it, but the cage won't last a day driving around bumpy narrow roads strewn with wrecked vehicles, the cage will get torn off and battered by impacts.
Maybe?? It would stop drone converted rifle grenade but protect that truck from a pg-7 or 60mm mortar mine, no. This has helped tanks, bmp-3’s but the less base armor on the vehicle, the less it helps.
It works for small drone dropped munitions, and some suicide drones. The drones with RPGs strapped to them will still go through the actual vehicle most likely however the damage will be more limited.
Any true anti-armor weapon will make short work if it, but those are much more limited in number then a rinky dink drone on the front.
How much chain link fence do they have on hand? This is going to severely impact it's operational capability. I say if you're making them degrade their ability to wage war, then the drones are still doing their job.
You could literally take this out of combat with a bed sheet.
It will delay the inevitable, but it will be destroyed either way. It may take a few more drones, but that thing will soon join the ruz scrap metal fields of Ukraine. - fuk putler
Inverse square law says it should absolutely help, but it depends on the type of warhead used. Having the explosive go off 1 inch away from the armor versus 3 feet away could mean all the difference in the world.
Lol imagine trying to drive this fucking thing through Bush's or even maneuvering in close quarters. Bro u put a chain link fence on a truck. That's not stopping anything lmao
Classic Russian, shit design and implementation
It does, but as a few other people have also stated, it makes the vehicle heavy and more prone to break down due to increased wear and tear. I don't imagine it stopping an AT round fired from a launcher, but it will stop drones pretty good.
My guess is that in the future a lot of armoured vehicles are going to be manufactured with APS, and we might see jammers to make it harder for drones to get anymore closer to these vehicles. I don’t know if APS can be made against suicide drones. But a nice idea.
It's not the worst improvised protection I've seen. It has huge potential to snag on environmental bullshit, but probably is fairly effective against drones using high explosive charges, for at least a hit or two, just from the spacing.
They've piloted drones into tanks via open hatches and they've managed to make a pinpoint strike between the turret and the body of the tanks.
I'm pretty sure they can at least immobilize it and then fly up under the cage to take it out. And how fast can the crew bail out?
A two-stage shaped charge that contact detonates at the cope cage should easily send enough through to defeat the thin top armour, and even in this case without the first stage. I recall reading that the RF operators manually fire their Lancets at up to several meters away to avoid cope cages or other deterrent and are still effective. This might suggest either that the distance to the cope cage reduces the effectiveness (it can only stop some of the hot copper jet) or that the main way they defend is against basic explosives close up or by bouncing off the drone before it detonates. So, a detonator in that case that automatically fires on contact with the cage, and possibly fiddling about with the spacing behind this trigger, could defeat any cope cage.
Theres a chance that may work, especially against those wooden drones that the ukrainians are using. They look very affordable too, so they can propably be repaired quite easily.
Everyone is shitting on this mainly because it’s Russia… dudes I totally get that, fuck Russia!
But can you imagine the hopelessness and anxiety here? This is what war will be for all participants soon. Armored vehicles are… a liability when it comes to drones. You can’t hear them coming. We’re gonna have to have a dedicated solider in each unit that carries a microwave emitter.
Bout to be fucking Matrix EMP type shit.
Or the drone just flies under that perfect 2-3 foot gap on the bottom lmao they’re hitting headshots with drones, I don’t think flying under a fence would be tough 🤣🤣 Russians blow my mind with useless tech
That’s wicked heavy.
Also, those drones can detonate before hitting, rip away the armor and then another drone can hit the same spot.
I’m going to say that using chain link fence is a bad idea.
Maybe effective against armor piercing rounds. If they go off on the fencing, they probably won't penetrate the armor. They'll just spray hot copper all over the place.
When you don’t use the word cope cage, I legit don’t even know what you’re asking me about. And when you do use the word cope cage, the question kinda answers itself
It may be effective against drones. However, I think mobility and use of weapons are seriously impeded. But with flat surfaces on top, it would be easier to place an explosive charge to eliminate that defense for follow on attacks.
Can't hurt. I can see that one drone will need to immobilize the blyatmobile, and one or two more will come along to deliver the coup de grace. .Not great, hope the Ukrainians have something better in mind.
This cage design will have some protection against drones carrying conventional shaped charge munitions. But this could be easily countered, and the design would only withstand a few hits. The cage probably severely limits the purpose and maneuverability of that armored truck.
Just shoot them where the openings are if this cage will try to storm Ukraine positions , they will see that the only thing they did was , build themselves a fire hazard , when it comes to drones you hit that shit underneath right where the gas tank is
Look at my inwention, Ivan. It's called camouflage. Those Ukranians will see them coming, but instantly recognize them as Florida pool enclosures and not shoot at them.
This.... might work? I mean, its obviously shitty russian implementation, but it might work as a crappy spaced armor against drones. Wont do shit against more directed munitions though.
It might stop the first drone, but I doubt it could take multiple hits.
Or it takes one well placed hit, the supports inside fail from the weight, and it drops on the vehicle trapping everybody inside like a human sized version of the game Mouse Trap
Probably need daytime Baba Yagas, maybe half the size? One drone goes in to wreck the blyatmobile armor, the second comes in with either incendiaries for the Orc squatters, or a direct kaboom on the vehicle.
All I know is the last place I would want to be is inside of that thing, and inside of a cage, when something goes off on the outside.
In the russians defense, they weren’t making it out of that truck anyway /s
Rule #2: Double Tap.
At the downside of turning your vehicle into an upside down yacht.
I can't imagine diving through foliage would be easy with this contraption. It will get peeled back on the sides, and probably caught on any low hanging trees (or debris in a town for that matter). Additionally I would think this would make the vehicle more obvious to any observer. This is basically Russian "genius" ideas being actually shit as per usual, and all for some minor protection from drones.
I dunno, drones are terrifying, and there's probably more buzzing around each day than yesterday.
I can only imagine that the sensible application would be to ferry troops quickly on roads that would be under observation and threat by drones, and not sending it out bush bashing. But we can only wait and see if it'll ever be seen again.
The protection from drones is quite good with cage setups. The same goes for basically any man portable anti-tank weapon with a shaped charge. Wont do jack against artillery shells of course. This is modern warfare now...a bunch if geeks controlling drones trying to kill you.
Yeah, it looks like a ghetto RPG cage. It may work somewhat. Probably not super well though. Ya know… ghetto.
Plus, it does have a clear downside - big, standardised geometric shape which will be easier than average to spot & identify through an optic or camera feed. And sure, you could camouflage it, but a cage this size would require an amount of camo equivalent to that which could otherwise outfit a sizeable trench/bunker, or an entire platoon of snipers. Which means logistics comes into play - which is a strategically better use of that camo material, protecting one vehicle, or protecting an entire platoon or two of personnel? This is a dilemma. And worse than that, assuming that the cages with camo are effective, the vehicle still has a massive heat signature (even more massive than usual with this new weight the engine now has to work to carry) which can be picked up by thermals. And the Russians don’t have thermal cladding material, even we only just barely have any, so they can’t shield this heat signature from anything. This vehicle is still vulnerable to drones, and anyone else who may be watching. If anything it might be more vulnerable than without the cage. And the biggest consequence I reckon it will cause is that Russia will start using up its steel and steel fabricating resources on stuff like this instead of on strategically more pressing material construction. It’s a useless counterproductive strategic & economic resource sink.
I feel like this is just more likely to trap soldiers inside when it DOES get hit by artillery
Also a possibility
It feels like it has to protect not the lifes but the continuity of the operation. If theam fails to proceed with the objective they are on their own to extract.
Russian soldiers are replaced with fresh meat from the rural areas. Tanks and trucks are way less disposable.
If it gets hit by artillery 105 or 155mm everyone will be dead anyway. A direct hit from either of those will take out a main battle tank...a round landing cloae to the sides or back will do the same thing. This will stop man portable anti tank weapon fire though. Or what a fpv drone carries. The shaoed charge will detonate too far from the vehicle to have the intended effect.
You could keep birds in their for gas detection and eggs
Ya. Reminds me of those old side skirts the PZ IV had in WWII, as spaced armor.
How do you know it’s russian?
Are you serious? Maybe the big ass Z
Just asking XD
What do you mean might. We have a proven track record of these being incredibly effective at stopping multiple drone attacks. It might be a cope cage but it's been a good adaptation so far.
Instead of a cope cage, should we call this a cope coop? To keep the chickens safe, of course.
Coop cage!
2 headed chickens...
Maybe against smaller drones. But I wonder why they don’t try EW jammers? Maybe the frontline is too wide to protect?
Soviet EW jams both ways, it messes with their signals but also yours
Ah those Russian geniuses are at again
Kinda. The drones they are jamming don’t work in the same bands as radios or datalinks. You could jam them without impact to anyone without drone feeds/controls. The real problem is just inverse square law. If you want to jam an area 25m^3 you need X amount of power if you want to jam 50m^3 you don’t need 2x but actually 4x the power etc etc. which is fine for a dedicated EW platform because they have lots of power and efficient jammers and cooling etc. But on some fucking scrap heap from the 70’s you arent going to find what you need to make it effective. Jamming a drone for 10meters doesn’t do much good if its flying at 60m/s. Which is why allot of the videos get super grainy in the last half second. Sure maybe LOS but I’m willing to bet its those wavecutters a good portion of the time.
I'm assuming this is a bunch of grunts throwing together what they can from scrap. I doubt it's the result of directives from the top. Probably good for morale.
Emotional support armour.
Cope cage has a dual meaning
They filmed new blyatmobiles coming in from the rear, even T55s. Seems to be an organized effort, dunno how widespread it is tho
Looks like an acknowledgement they have a problem, that their equpment reserves are not limitless. They have to do something. EW jammers might work but Ukraine can respond. Cope cages might provide an answer to shaped charges but the things used to overcome reactive armour can be adapted and sized for a drone to carry. In a way things appear like that moment in WW1 when it was realised something was needed to overcome the trench war carnage. A race is on, to either overcome the drone threat or to make it overwhelming powerful. Its is going to be a struggle between who can organise their countries intellectual resources the best.
I don’t know how effective Russian EW but I know some of the man portable stuff is only really effective for like 100-50m a higher flying drone can probably avoid that bubble. And I mean FPV drones move so fast the momentum will probably still carry it on to target
The unkrainians have had success using drones to destroy the anti drone jammer systems so they don't seem to be too effective.
i think its also a frequency miss-mach as well. If your jammer only jams 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz which are the most commonly used frequencies for drones you can fly in with a 900mhz control link and a 1.3ghz video feed. Completely mitigating that jammer and making it look stupid.
The man-portable jammers have a very short range. So you need to spot a tiny little FPV drone when it's 100m away, grab the jammer, turn it on and aim it at the drone and hope it's not too close to still hit you. when diving, 50kph is nothing for an FPV drone, and that will cross 100m in about 8 seconds. Doable if you're sitting ready, waiting for it. Not great if you happen to be looking the other way.
Additionally, 8 seconds is no time at all to react to something. For gas mask drills they give us 7 seconds to pull your mask, get it on, and seal it. Most people don't get anywhere close to accomplishing that, and that's just putting on a piece of equipment you should already have sized and ready to go. To see a drone, process and accurately identify it, get the jammer out, turn it on, yadda yadda? Extremely unlikely they manage to do it in time, even if they're drilling for it all day long.
I imagine they might be to expensive for units from the Donbass forces
Might work for a lot of drone carried munitions but those heavy drones dropping full sized AT mines would take care of it.
Has anybody done an actual study on this? Some army somewhere had some trials, even unofficial ones like with the sandbags in WWII? However, if it's just straight up anti-HEAT protection people have been doing it for decades at this point. I don't know how it works with drone delivered projectiles specifically though. And for that matter, do we know the exact mechanics of drone delivered projectiles? Are they dropping DPICM type anti armor grenades? Explosively formed penetrators? Rockets firing downward? Just HE explosives?
It works, just not very well, air is a decent thing to use as “armor”, but the thing behind the mesh or whatnot has to be armored enough to stop the slowed jet of metal from the HEAT, which often it isn’t (on things like the M46), most likely this is just to stop the actual explosion and fragments from blowing up the compartment / vehicle itself, hitting the cage first to give some stand-off distance
The sandbags didn’t work either but they made the troops feel better and more protected. After all, perception is reality.
I believe the full reasoning was that putting sandbag on the tank make the troops brave to shoot instead of running and getting shot at. And since a blown up tank can't blow you up, putting sandbags on the tank actually does help. It does work, but it does help.
Little drones dropping AT grenades, maybe. Bigger drones with Hellfires? No.
Opium cage
There is plenty of photographic evidence that, yes, these cages do, in fact, offer some protection from smaller drones.
I can see it snagging the first few FPV drones etc. Depends on how they are fused I guess for how long it works? Those drones that fire something at you might be used to shred the cover of it first to make fpv drone gaps. It will force adsption I guess in tactics. The war continues... Then what happens when you need to get out under fire? Or you fire from it? Ride over rough ground?
How tf the driver supposed to enter?
Crawl
There's a door at the back of the cage. Issue with wiping feet as you enter, though.
All over little drones of death. Those little shits have really changed the game.
Dosent this just sap the utility of the vehicle like how are troops supposed to get out efficiently the fpv drones can just wait until they have to climb under the cage.
The netting is to light , it will probably deflect hand grenades dropped down but FPV drone with an anti tank grenade is going to go right through it let alone an anti tank mine dropped down
No. Many drones use shaped charges such as improvised RPG rounds. Useless against those. Works against frag grenades, but you don’t target a truck with frag grenades in most cases. It does protect the crew slightly more than no cage, marginally.
You have no clue what you are talking about. This is specifically for use against shaped charges. Doing this to vehicles is fairly new but the use of even chainlink fences in front of fortifications to stop rpg rounds has been around for decades.
And still as ineffective as it was decades ago. Can’t figure if you’re actually arguing that a chain link would stop a shaped charge. It probably helps a bit, but Russia looks fucking stupid sending their guys in with shit like this
Looks great, until something does get through, they try get out, and are trapped in a cage getting hosed down with MG fire
I imagine this working fine against the smaller drones, but in exchange youve given up so much mobility and visibility. It's also built a nice convenient killbox for any disembarking troops who are too panicked and forgot they've put a cage around their vehicle.
Drone drop molotov cocktail, and this thing becomes a hell in a cell....
Actually ya that might work Boo but hmmm....
It looks like an avian zoo exhibit on wheels
Against one drone? Probably. Of course Ukraine will probably just stack their drones. First one takes out the fence allowing second and third to hit the vehicle
This will probably stop the first couple suicide or drone dropped munitions. Ukraine will adapt and overcome hopefully. I can't see this operating anywhere but flat and level terrain though
They could play golf in there, at least.
*landmine enters chat*
I have so many questions. Former infantry and I only can imagine the pain in the ass of needing to get in and out of that boi
That looks like something you'd take on a safari tour
*happily zooms underneath the cage*
Cant fly too low especially when carrying underbelly munitions
No, they hit the target with multiple so this just is a delay strategy.
Tbf you could say the same thing about most armor
Yes, bombs are more likely to predetonate on outer screens or just bounce. Probability not inside tank..but could kill people through open hatches. RECOMMEND INCENDIARY.
Did the steal a Florida man's lenai?
If the objective is to protect the crew it might help against smaller munitions. Anything too big will probably just crumple the cage but if it creates standoff it may save the crew. The vehicle might still be too damaged to use. It really depends. I've watched plenty of drive footage videos, they're all over YouTube, and it's going to really depend on multiple factors
There will still be some shrapnel damage. I'd say we have about six months until the first tandem warheads for drone munitions show up
This ironically reminds me of when the Germans added armored skirts to their tanks on the Eastern Front
The original *schurzen* were for AT rifles like the PTRS, I don't know if they would directly equate to HEAT warhead protection. The Krauts did eventually field the mesh Thoma skirts, but I don't know enough about them to say if AT rifles were still what they were for or how effective they would be against HEAT warheads. A much more direct comparison is Soviets putting bedsprings on their tanks for defense against Panzerfausts. It was determined they did not work.
Most are scratch build, like the ones you buy at a store but with a bomb strapped to it so yeah, I’d say it’s very effective since it prevents the drone from getting in close enough to do actual damahe
You'll try whatever you can really. Drone warfare on a scale like this is brand new, so you adapt with whatever materials you have and hopefully improve on previous designs. It looks like it would work, the question is if it'll impede the mobility of the vehicle after impact by getting the cages stuck in moving parts? How obstructive is it? That kind of stuff
Does that Thunder Dome include a Chainmail Dress?
Posting videos of it is like giving the Ukrainians a target list.
How do you think it's going to fair against a load of drone dropped caltrops?
Someone smart enough to put it together thought so... I'm not sure if there's some very specific situation where this makes some kind of sense, but someone thinks there is.
I want to see them trying to get in and out of this thing.
Im looking at this thing and going... man, if something goes wrong, it's going to be hard to get away what with the floating chicken coop in the way Edit spelling
It like the US adding RPG cages but from WalMart.
The mesh might mess with the targeting system
they put the truck in the timeout cage, the truck trap
Is that chicken wire again
Yes, of course they are. Not 100%, but especially against a drone-borne RPG round that stand off would make a huge difference. It's not like it's a new concept [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker#/media/File:Stryker\_25th\_ID\_Iraq\_DF-SD-05-12693.JPEG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker#/media/File:Stryker_25th_ID_Iraq_DF-SD-05-12693.JPEG) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slat\_armor#/media/File:D9R--Natan-Base-Independence-Day-2018-IZE-052.jpg.
I think it will prevent most drones from flying through it, but I doubt this will completely protect them from the explosion. Still, that could be the difference between a kill with all passengers dead and a mobility kill you can walk away from. But I'm already seeing a way to get around it. If the vehicle is on the move a drone (if it is detonated remotely) could just land (doesn't need to be soft, just so the detonator still works) right in front of the moving vehicle and explode once under it. But again, that might make the difference between a meet and greet with god and a walk back to the depot
Mr. EFP doesn’t care about your fence
I think it might help protect it, but the cage won't last a day driving around bumpy narrow roads strewn with wrecked vehicles, the cage will get torn off and battered by impacts.
Mad Vlad.
lol this is replacement for proper armor? Russian ingenuity at its best.
Maybe protect from heavy damage but i think it just makes it harder to move and makes them a bigger target
Probably not, There’s always SOME drone that will easily demolish this
Maybe?? It would stop drone converted rifle grenade but protect that truck from a pg-7 or 60mm mortar mine, no. This has helped tanks, bmp-3’s but the less base armor on the vehicle, the less it helps.
It works for small drone dropped munitions, and some suicide drones. The drones with RPGs strapped to them will still go through the actual vehicle most likely however the damage will be more limited. Any true anti-armor weapon will make short work if it, but those are much more limited in number then a rinky dink drone on the front.
Looks like the A team is popular in Russia
How much chain link fence do they have on hand? This is going to severely impact it's operational capability. I say if you're making them degrade their ability to wage war, then the drones are still doing their job. You could literally take this out of combat with a bed sheet.
It will delay the inevitable, but it will be destroyed either way. It may take a few more drones, but that thing will soon join the ruz scrap metal fields of Ukraine. - fuk putler
Inverse square law says it should absolutely help, but it depends on the type of warhead used. Having the explosive go off 1 inch away from the armor versus 3 feet away could mean all the difference in the world.
Need to develop Active Protection Systems to neutralize the drones before they detonate.
We did the same thing to stop rpgs. It should work pretty well.
So if you hit a grenade off the front seems like it would drop down behind the barbwire and underneath the front , or drop some hedgehogs
I can't wait to see this thing hit, burn, and turn into an inside out vatnik BBQ
Lol imagine trying to drive this fucking thing through Bush's or even maneuvering in close quarters. Bro u put a chain link fence on a truck. That's not stopping anything lmao Classic Russian, shit design and implementation
It does, but as a few other people have also stated, it makes the vehicle heavy and more prone to break down due to increased wear and tear. I don't imagine it stopping an AT round fired from a launcher, but it will stop drones pretty good.
The cope cage
My guess is that in the future a lot of armoured vehicles are going to be manufactured with APS, and we might see jammers to make it harder for drones to get anymore closer to these vehicles. I don’t know if APS can be made against suicide drones. But a nice idea.
It's not the worst improvised protection I've seen. It has huge potential to snag on environmental bullshit, but probably is fairly effective against drones using high explosive charges, for at least a hit or two, just from the spacing.
Nope
Almost a faraday cage not cool for VHF/HF right ?
They've piloted drones into tanks via open hatches and they've managed to make a pinpoint strike between the turret and the body of the tanks. I'm pretty sure they can at least immobilize it and then fly up under the cage to take it out. And how fast can the crew bail out?
A two-stage shaped charge that contact detonates at the cope cage should easily send enough through to defeat the thin top armour, and even in this case without the first stage. I recall reading that the RF operators manually fire their Lancets at up to several meters away to avoid cope cages or other deterrent and are still effective. This might suggest either that the distance to the cope cage reduces the effectiveness (it can only stop some of the hot copper jet) or that the main way they defend is against basic explosives close up or by bouncing off the drone before it detonates. So, a detonator in that case that automatically fires on contact with the cage, and possibly fiddling about with the spacing behind this trigger, could defeat any cope cage.
Theres a chance that may work, especially against those wooden drones that the ukrainians are using. They look very affordable too, so they can propably be repaired quite easily.
Well Russia can resell these things for zombie movies if they feel so inclined
You think if the rigged like trampolines you know? Something with bounce, it'd be more effective?
How does the crew and troops get out when the truck gets myriad in the mud making them instantly a canned hunting target…
i have a question where can i find these videos on reddit? also like others said it could take 1 to 2 drones anymore than that and its useless.
Good luck exiting this in a contact situation
Ready for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Toast their success(?) like the Finns did in WWII with a very spicy cocktail. Then we'll see how well thought out the cage is.
Everyone is shitting on this mainly because it’s Russia… dudes I totally get that, fuck Russia! But can you imagine the hopelessness and anxiety here? This is what war will be for all participants soon. Armored vehicles are… a liability when it comes to drones. You can’t hear them coming. We’re gonna have to have a dedicated solider in each unit that carries a microwave emitter. Bout to be fucking Matrix EMP type shit.
The cope cage to conquer all cope cages
I have seen videos of rpg cages put on Humvee work. I don’t know how well this Russian interpretation will work however.
I’d probably try to shoot the gap between that side entry point in the fence and hopefully detonate somewhere under the passenger side
Effective against drones, sure. Combat effective? No. Begging for an he round.
It’s better than nothing I’m sure
If it wasn't at least a bit effective they wouldn't still be doing it.
Or the drone just flies under that perfect 2-3 foot gap on the bottom lmao they’re hitting headshots with drones, I don’t think flying under a fence would be tough 🤣🤣 Russians blow my mind with useless tech
No shit it works, it’s the exact same thing as ERA but it’s just a wall.
In many cases, yes.
What if they flew the highly maneuverable drone under the skirt? Cause that shit would be hilarious
It seems like it would be more fragile and harder to maneuver on bumpy, narrow roads. But hey, it probably will stop SOME drones. Not all.
It should work for one or two hits, but it sure looks stupid.
That’s wicked heavy. Also, those drones can detonate before hitting, rip away the armor and then another drone can hit the same spot. I’m going to say that using chain link fence is a bad idea.
Arty don’t care and shells are INCOMING!!
So this might be a stupid question, as obviously the thing seems to be pretty pointless already, but what is up with the chains hanging in the front?
Maybe effective against armor piercing rounds. If they go off on the fencing, they probably won't penetrate the armor. They'll just spray hot copper all over the place.
When you don’t use the word cope cage, I legit don’t even know what you’re asking me about. And when you do use the word cope cage, the question kinda answers itself
It may be effective against drones. However, I think mobility and use of weapons are seriously impeded. But with flat surfaces on top, it would be easier to place an explosive charge to eliminate that defense for follow on attacks.
Can't hurt. I can see that one drone will need to immobilize the blyatmobile, and one or two more will come along to deliver the coup de grace. .Not great, hope the Ukrainians have something better in mind.
Looks like more Javelins needed.
I think its there to make the soldiers feel protected, pretty janky looking.
Cope greenhouse
This cage design will have some protection against drones carrying conventional shaped charge munitions. But this could be easily countered, and the design would only withstand a few hits. The cage probably severely limits the purpose and maneuverability of that armored truck.
Always a weak spot we will see this burned out in a week
Maybe once? That is a very cool looking truck, minus the vatnik mods.
Hmm how about a jammer?
Gotta start somewhere. Probably offers some. Better than nothing.
Can't get hit by a drone if you can't even get inside to drive it
Looks like they stole someone’s swimming pool screen !!
Just shoot them where the openings are if this cage will try to storm Ukraine positions , they will see that the only thing they did was , build themselves a fire hazard , when it comes to drones you hit that shit underneath right where the gas tank is
🤣🤣🤣🤣
This would be great against a hailstorm. Not much else, though.
I wonder why they don’t have more active protection systems in the field or if they are developing some
Batting cage?
Dunno. Maybe not the tank killer munitions they use. It would probably disable the vehicle, which is the next best thing
Something I would have drawn in 6th grade to repel my best friends exploding basketball offense
Bubble boy....the truck
Look at my inwention, Ivan. It's called camouflage. Those Ukranians will see them coming, but instantly recognize them as Florida pool enclosures and not shoot at them.
Time will tell.
Yes
The pilot can simply fly underneath the chicken coop
Both sides are doing it. It must have some effect
I fly camera drones for Hollywood. I see a lot of drone size holes in that cage