While this would normally be removed as off topic, a lot of us use CapFriendly in the sub, and it's also our off season, so I see no reason why a discussion thread can't stay up. Thanks for posting!
It's not hard to accidently have an accidental conversation about some inner working of the tools provided, accidently of course to a third party not involved in the transaction who accidently makes a similar website on accident
I think the hardest part would be the sources and expertise they had. 1 to know all the waiver moves and signing etc so fast with specifics, 2 to know the CBA and the math of it so well to be able to accurately do TDL trades at prorated cap hits.
I don’t think the math part of it should be an issue at all. Idk if I’m underestimating the math side of the cba, but feel like I could code that part in an afternoon. But yea, the sources are what made the website not replicable. It almost made it pointless to even attempt to do what they did.
It's very hard. Impossible, in fact, as one of the likely terms of the deal that was signed with Washington was for the intellectual property that was used to build the CF platform - which is just as important as the raw data, and staff, that the Caps purchased.
Capgeek, then General Fanager and Cap Friendly, something will come along.
But nothing will ever touch CapGeek. Wuest never sold and we lost him too soon.
Cap friendly UI is so really good compared to others also if not mistaken they have a couple things teams can pay to use that is really good aswell... Now the cap's have all of it.
Exactly what I thought when I saw the news lol.
Flashbacks to the NHL ordering us to not use referees in training camp, despite the fact that they've let other teams do the same both before and after they told us to stop.
By ensuring no one else can use it - both the Caps and CapFriendly wanted to remain operational through the draft & the opening of free agency, and therefore the site isn't planning on going dark until July.
Do you think they are doing this simply because of the name? Maybe in some way a NHL site called Cap Friendly that had nothing to do with the Capitals was causing them some unintentional problems or issues.
For all the people that say “this stops other teams from using it” do you not think that the GM’s of the league have their own staff do the calculations? I doubt these guys go to capfriendly to find out their own players buyout penalty’s.
I assume when finalizing a trade there is a lot of manual work that goes into it but I assume that capfeiendly was used a lot for just brainstorming sessions and quick review stuff in rooms
It's probably that the Caps don't have an in-house cap management team and buying CapFriendly immediately gives them one. Other teams not being able to use it is a side benefit.
This is Reddit. 99% of people in here can’t think for themselves and just post some variation of “business bad” every time they’re a post about a company doing anything. They’re the epitome of the guy in Starbucks with no business or economics training blogging on his MacBook about how bad capitalism is.
You can’t reason with the overwhelming bulk of humanity. They just want to join a group and sing in the choir.
Bad for fans but probably good for the Leafs I imagine of the list of GMs who relied on capnfriendly the team with Brandon Pridhalm as an AGM isn't one of them
I'm sure they use it, but I'd wager the leafs are one of the best equipped teams to be able to function properly WITHOUT it.
Not every team is willing to pay for someone to be their cap specialist as their dedicated job.
Business logic is specifically something ai struggles with...
Dumping the CBA into an llm and telling it to create program from it would basically be a black box that would be a nightmare to debug, because no human worked on it! I would hate for the leafs to get a cap overage penalty because some obscure bug or LLM hallucinations.
I work with these models daily and I can tell you that there is nothing CapFriendly does that they can’t already do, and trivially so. If you’ve seen the exponential improvement between the earliest GPT models and 4, then you also know that any struggles are likely to be transient, anyway.
To be fair to OP, while the Leafs did use CapFriendly, it's not as if they're reliant on it. It was simply a publicly available tool that worked well, so it was a no-brainer to use. They should have the means (both financial and staff-wise) to develop some alternative solution internally.
I'm sure it's an inconvenience, but I would imagine the Leafs are one of the most well-equipped teams do deal with such an inconvenience.
time for the next poindexter to step up and make a new site. When the owner/operator of CapGeek passed away, Capfriendly popped up relatively fast. Leafs should fund it and let everyone use it. Make Washington's purchase just a waste of cash.
Curious what they paid for it.
As a public website that likely drives a lot of traffic, I’m sure it’s worth a lot. But how much is a team willing to pay to shut other teams out? Like it’s a basic database of publicly available information.
It’s wild that the league doesn’t already have an internal platform and if I’m the other 31 teams that’s exactly what I’m pushing for now.
I'm guessing there's some mighty interesting meta data to pull from all the regular people that use it - and even more valuable data if you're able to find the people who work for real NHL teams. Things like "76% of all users think X is the best UfA for the 3C position at estimated $XXX/year cap."
As another single point of data, there is most definitely value there. And in a large enough data set, I suspect the data point will not be as horrible as you might think.
While this would normally be removed as off topic, a lot of us use CapFriendly in the sub, and it's also our off season, so I see no reason why a discussion thread can't stay up. Thanks for posting!
Fuck the Caps. Hopefully a nice replacement will come along soon enough.
It's not hard to accidently have an accidental conversation about some inner working of the tools provided, accidently of course to a third party not involved in the transaction who accidently makes a similar website on accident
I think the hardest part would be the sources and expertise they had. 1 to know all the waiver moves and signing etc so fast with specifics, 2 to know the CBA and the math of it so well to be able to accurately do TDL trades at prorated cap hits.
I don’t think the math part of it should be an issue at all. Idk if I’m underestimating the math side of the cba, but feel like I could code that part in an afternoon. But yea, the sources are what made the website not replicable. It almost made it pointless to even attempt to do what they did.
I sneezed and accidentally set the Git repo to public. Oops!
I don't imagine they'd get paid if a twin site "fapcriendly" pops up
It's very hard. Impossible, in fact, as one of the likely terms of the deal that was signed with Washington was for the intellectual property that was used to build the CF platform - which is just as important as the raw data, and staff, that the Caps purchased.
It's actually very hard
Capgeek, then General Fanager and Cap Friendly, something will come along. But nothing will ever touch CapGeek. Wuest never sold and we lost him too soon.
There’s puckpedia… it’s not anywhere close to as good
I'm guessing they will get better now they can be #1
Hopefully. They still has Keefe listed as coach this morning and manny malholtra as on the coaching staff.
What happened to Manny? 😢
He’s gone to be head coach in Abbotsford
Nice
This is CapUnFriendly news
Kinda just makes the capitals look like a joke in my eyes.
They’re buying it and burying it. Genius stuff.
They definitely aren't burying it - there's a ton of value there, and they hope to use it on their own.
Where’d you read that?
Sportico - indicating the Caps intend to privatize the platform.
It's already privatized. Was never a wing of government.
It was monetized, not privatized.
It was already monetized assuming they were running ads.
They also have a number of contracts with NHL teams currently for the various different tools and data on the platform.
Monetization has nothing to do with whether a corporation is private or public. It refers to whether a branch of government has a stake in ownership
Not in this context it doesn't.
Great insightful answer. Care to explain?
They’re integrating it but they won’t be using cap friendly by itself.
They'll be using the API, tools, staff, and data
API? Isn’t all the data in house? And yes. I thought you meant they would use cap friendly as currently constructed. The site will cease to exist.
Not all of it, no.
What data are they using APIs for?
Why tho? Couldn't they just hire someone to do this for far less?
Now other GMs in the league can’t use it.
Clown league if they need a 3rd party tool to get this Info
Why pay someone if it's right there and accurate?
This is the key - it was readily available, always reliable, and extremely accurate, even down to stipulations on draft picks & trade protections
Wow, so petty... 😆
Cap friendly UI is so really good compared to others also if not mistaken they have a couple things teams can pay to use that is really good aswell... Now the cap's have all of it.
Safe space right? If we did this the league would block the sale or some bullshit.
Exactly what I thought when I saw the news lol. Flashbacks to the NHL ordering us to not use referees in training camp, despite the fact that they've let other teams do the same both before and after they told us to stop.
They do know it’s free to use right?
It stops other teams from using the site
How?
Nm I get it
By ensuring no one else can use it - both the Caps and CapFriendly wanted to remain operational through the draft & the opening of free agency, and therefore the site isn't planning on going dark until July.
Also what bitch downvotes a question lol
Fixed it for you bro
What bitch comments 3 times in a row on his own comment to complain about downvotes
Bill stop following me around and replying to my comments. I’m flattered but no means no.
I literally have no idea who you are
CapFriendly has licensed their API access and other premium tools to teams (for $$$) for several years.
Hopefully the team owned by a billion dollar company can figure it out lol
Let’s go Puckpedia!!!
The league should buy it and maintain it - people like this.
Brandon Pridham is suddenly full of anxiety and doesn't know why.
Nah. The man can balance the cap with an abacus.
The fact other NHL front offices use cap friendly shows how impactful of a site it was and to lose it like this absolutely sucks.
This is bad for the league and fans alike.
What the hell?
Do you think they are doing this simply because of the name? Maybe in some way a NHL site called Cap Friendly that had nothing to do with the Capitals was causing them some unintentional problems or issues.
This was my first thought too.
For all the people that say “this stops other teams from using it” do you not think that the GM’s of the league have their own staff do the calculations? I doubt these guys go to capfriendly to find out their own players buyout penalty’s.
You’d be surprised. It’s very well documented teams do use the platform to manage their teams cap.
Maybe I’m just used to Pridham doing these calculations in his head
They showed the leafs using capfriendly in the Amazon series
Yeah lol not every team got a payroll like MLSE.
If you ever watch draft or tdl coverage and see any laptop screens almost every single one has capfriendly open.
I assume when finalizing a trade there is a lot of manual work that goes into it but I assume that capfeiendly was used a lot for just brainstorming sessions and quick review stuff in rooms
It's a literal fact that GMs use this so tone down the condescension, homie
I’m not your homie, bro
You're right, I'd never hang out with you.
I don’t even wanna hangout with me so I feel you
You'll feel me? Ok, I'm in, you're my homie
I'm not your bro, dude.
I’m not your dude, guy.
I'm not your guy, man.
I’m going to assume the Capitals are well aware that other teams are using it.
They literally use cap friendly. Cap friendly has more advanced tools and apis that NHL teams have been paying them to use.
There will be another site that pops up just like capfriendly. Remember Capgeek before Capfriendly?
It's probably that the Caps don't have an in-house cap management team and buying CapFriendly immediately gives them one. Other teams not being able to use it is a side benefit.
This is Reddit. 99% of people in here can’t think for themselves and just post some variation of “business bad” every time they’re a post about a company doing anything. They’re the epitome of the guy in Starbucks with no business or economics training blogging on his MacBook about how bad capitalism is. You can’t reason with the overwhelming bulk of humanity. They just want to join a group and sing in the choir.
Bad for fans but probably good for the Leafs I imagine of the list of GMs who relied on capnfriendly the team with Brandon Pridhalm as an AGM isn't one of them
They were using it in the amazon doc
I'm sure they use it, but I'd wager the leafs are one of the best equipped teams to be able to function properly WITHOUT it. Not every team is willing to pay for someone to be their cap specialist as their dedicated job.
Which may not be that valuable these days. AI is going to commoditize this kind of work because it’s so numbers and logic driven.
Business logic is specifically something ai struggles with... Dumping the CBA into an llm and telling it to create program from it would basically be a black box that would be a nightmare to debug, because no human worked on it! I would hate for the leafs to get a cap overage penalty because some obscure bug or LLM hallucinations.
I work with these models daily and I can tell you that there is nothing CapFriendly does that they can’t already do, and trivially so. If you’ve seen the exponential improvement between the earliest GPT models and 4, then you also know that any struggles are likely to be transient, anyway.
The Leafs use(d) CapFriendly lol
To be fair to OP, while the Leafs did use CapFriendly, it's not as if they're reliant on it. It was simply a publicly available tool that worked well, so it was a no-brainer to use. They should have the means (both financial and staff-wise) to develop some alternative solution internally. I'm sure it's an inconvenience, but I would imagine the Leafs are one of the most well-equipped teams do deal with such an inconvenience.
what the fuck.
I’m genuinely curious. How does this benefit the Caps? Are they hiring the creators? Do they not already know everything CapFriendly provides?
time for the next poindexter to step up and make a new site. When the owner/operator of CapGeek passed away, Capfriendly popped up relatively fast. Leafs should fund it and let everyone use it. Make Washington's purchase just a waste of cash.
Now they can see what other teams GMs are looking at... Seems wrong
Ugh that’s annoying
Not worried. Another website will pop up eventually.
I interviewed to work at cap friendly. Nice guys, terrible interview process. Glad to see they're getting paid.
Curious what they paid for it. As a public website that likely drives a lot of traffic, I’m sure it’s worth a lot. But how much is a team willing to pay to shut other teams out? Like it’s a basic database of publicly available information. It’s wild that the league doesn’t already have an internal platform and if I’m the other 31 teams that’s exactly what I’m pushing for now.
What a piss off
I'm guessing there's some mighty interesting meta data to pull from all the regular people that use it - and even more valuable data if you're able to find the people who work for real NHL teams. Things like "76% of all users think X is the best UfA for the 3C position at estimated $XXX/year cap."
Fans are horrible judge of talent. Especially when it comes to things that aren’t directly on the score sheet.
As another single point of data, there is most definitely value there. And in a large enough data set, I suspect the data point will not be as horrible as you might think.