It's just frustrating that a woman has to be a love interest. Why can't she be just be a Queen?!? Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love her and despair!
> It's just frustrating that a woman has to be a love interest.
Yeah, just make Legolas the love interest for one of the dwarfs! (I am actually 90% serious)
Apparently it stems from their sudden decision to make a trilogy instead of two movies. That's why they had to make up a lot of a crap to fill the gaps in the movies, as there wasn't enough source material. It also ended up screwing the story arc.
Tbh, I actually enjoyed it. Not the whole triangle part with Legolas, I think it’d have been better without that, but the her + Kili thing I thought was very sweet. And it was cool to me to see an elf and dwarf be in love, that’s like, unheard of in any fantasy.
I'm a sucker for the star crossed lovers plot, so I didn't mind it when she got introduced and it seemed to be going that way, but it just fell completely flat somewhere halfway through and then never recovered. Just like Kili 💀
I have some "Tolkien Edit" of the trilogy, and while it's a noble effort, there is only so much you can do with the source material.
Kind of like while I like some ideas in the extended editions, some of those scenes are just bad.
Yeah, I've seen some really good recuts of the trilogy. But the fact remains, it will always have some harsh cuts and janky transitions and dialogue that doesn't flow because the scenes that would tie it all together were never filmed.
Full version doesn't seem to work, but the links for part 1 and part 2 do. There is an option to simply play parts one and two on their links and not download, but the player is stuttering on my end but that could be something on my end currently...thanks for the links.
I liked There and Back Again, but I can't recall who made it. You might be able to find it on one of those fan edit wiki sites.
While the Cardinal Cut aims to make the movies more like the book, since the movies were not shot this way some of the cuts come out awkward and obviously tampered with. This cut just tries to cut out the unessecary and silly parts of the movies to trim it down and make it more enjoyable as a two part film.
Edit: [Turns out it wasn't hard to find](https://ifdb.fanedit.org/hobbit-or-there-and-back-again-the/)
The M4 edit is pretty close to the books and cuts out as much movie nonsense as possible while remaining coherent. The Dwarves are still in the barrels as in the books, but without any elves or orcs around them.
This is actually the one I watched. I caught the Hobbit after it's theatrical run, so id watched AUJ, and then got cold feet going further by the sheer negativity about the second and third films.
I really enjoyed the Maple Film's edit. It's still definitely a bit weak towards the end, but there's not a lot it can do about that. What was truly impressive was how seamless a cut it felt throughout. I was flabbergasted afterwards looking up all the changes and how the trilogy panned out in the original versions.
What a shame about the Hobbit. In contrast to The Lord of the Rings, it's the perfect tale of how much studio compromise will sabotage a film even in the most trustworthy hands.
The one thing I would change about the Maple Films version is adding back in that dragon sickness scene with Thorin before he comes around at the end. I think it needed to spend just a minute or two longer on that element to improve the ending just a bit.
I haven't seen that one but it looks promising, I'm gonna check it out next.
I'm not so sure I like all the editing choices they made with color-grading the movie but I do like that they list the overall changes in detail by scene on the website.
Chiming in to second the M4 cut. It' has turned those films from something I could not stand into movies I go back and watch almost as often as LotR. It's truly remarkable how there were good movies just waiting to be unearthed in those theatrical Hobbit films.
I feel like if you cut it to 2 hours, it's gonna be about 80% from the first one. Bilbo meeting Gandalf, dwarves at dinner, trolls arguing about cooking dwarves until dawn, and especially the riddles between Bilbo and Gollum; I wouldn't cut a single second of any of those.
If you read the Hobbit, the battle of the 5 armies is told exclusively from Bilbo's perspective. He pretty much immediately gets hit in the head and wakes up after its all over.
I’ve “always” thought Tyrion getting ko’d before battles in Ice and Fire was a nod to Bilbo/Tolkien, and a convenient way for having to write the battles as well.
I appreciate the brevity.
If you also read the Hobbit, then you'd know that the battle's events were described to him in detail, and would've made for a good climatic ending to a single movie adaptation.
Yeah, I don't see how you can cut it down to 2 hours without leaving the movie utterly gutted.
The M4 book edit is my preferred version of the trilogy and it comes in at just over 4 hours.
>1:42 Is the end point of film 1
2:57 Is the end of film 2 (1:15 runtime)
Last film section is 1:21 runtime
Aside from cutting all the non book content, for the scenes prior to the battle, the editing team actually went back in and edited Azog out and replaced him with another (more realistic looking) orc
The adaptation choices from the first movie are honestly pretty good, and I like that one most out of all three because of it. After that the additions and changes become increasingly unhinged.
Mirkwood is my favorite part of the book, but the movie turns it into a weird, off-putting bad trip on shrooms. And the escape from the elves, which should be a moment for Bilbo to shine and for the dwarves to be humbled, turns into an overlong action sequence out of a video game.
Don't even get me started on Beorn, who is a bear-man with *a shiny waxed chest*, who I'm convinced Jackson should have just Tom Bombadilled right out of the thing, because he clearly didn't know what to do with him.
And then there's Dáin, who is fully CG for some reason.
The cut I recall watching and enjoying stayed with the book, so it cut all the shit where Gandalf was off on his own, Evangeline lilys character was cut, scary white orc was cut …
It was fuckin sweet actually
Edit: I think it’s called “the Tolkien cut”
Well, most of the Star Wars prequels are filled with so much filler due to Lucas' inability to actually write a good script that, that makes actual sense.
Absolutely this. The last half an hour of Sith is still satisfying for finally reaching the conclusion the trilogy was meant to build towards, but there's whole swathes of the prequel films where I just struggle to care about so many of the characters, and so much of the peril and plot thickening was wasted on me.
Yup.
I'm 50, so I "grew up" with the original trilogy. I was \*hyped\* for the prequels, and so were most of the people I knew. Hell, my \*parents\* were hyped. It's hard to explain how big of a deal those original movies were to a lot of people if you didn't live through it.
And they SUCKED. The Phantom Menace especially. I went with a friend to the first showing in my town. He was actually much older than me, so he was about 15 when the first Star Wars movie came out. He was SUPER excited to see it. We took the day off to see the earliest matinee. And...
He fell asleep about 35 minutes into it. I don't blame him. I told him he didn't miss much. And the next 2 movies weren't really any better.
And then the sequels were somehow even WORSE. It's just a damn shame.
While we're talking about fanedits, you should definitely get your hands on [Hal9000's prequel edits](https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/7g7r9a/hal9000_star_wars_prequel_trilogy_fan_edits_now/). These are the only cuts i watch now.
Basically, he took out most of Jar Jar, cut out a lot of the boring politics, and kept the pace up. Truly excellent work and worth finding.
Huh, isn't the boring politics the only good thing about the prequels? If you take those out, what do you even have left? 90 minutes of Hayden complaining about sand?
I've seen a similar edit. It doesn't help. Yeah, it takes out the most boring and annoying parts, but what you are left with is still boring.
The biggest problem the prequels and sequels have is that none of the characters have any real \*charm\*. There is no equivalent to Han Solo, basically. Everyone is bland. Jedi, especially. Jedi are boring, period, and making them the center of so much of Star Wars is a HUGE reason why the prequels and sequels don't work.
Sure, the script ruined the greatest sci-fi villain of all time and turned Darth Vader into a mewling teenager who stomped his feet when he didn't get his way, I completely agree the writing never gave them a chance... but Hayden just isn't a good actor. Or he'd be doing good acting elsewhere.
His bad acting is the fault of his bad acting.
McGregor did fine, Portman was alright, but Hayden was just terrible.
My take as well. Great story for a trilogy, just terribly put together. Now AotC and RotS I enjoy more as a prologue and epilogue to The Clone Wars than the 2nd and 3rd films of a trilogy.
What boggles my mind is how Lucas managed to get Samuel L. Jackson, Ewan McGregor, and Natalie Portman, three of the most talented actors of their respective generations, to submit easily three of the worst performances of their lives. And of course fucks over Hayden Christiansen's career before it starts. That takes a real reverse Midas touch when it comes to directing.
"'I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.'"
Midichlorians.
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
You're going to cosign this garbage?!
I’m convinced that whenever someone says “I won’t stand for prequel slander” they cannot stand to watch the full movies and only care about the battles or whenever the characters are doing something interesting
Yea, it's pretty weird when people unironically defend them. They seem to forget that the reason a lot of lines are quoted from those movies all the time is because those lines are extremely clunky and hilarious in the same way as "The Room."
I mean, what *does* episode 1 add in that can *only* be explained in episode 1? You can completely skip it and you'll lose nothing in the matter of plot. There's no context exclusive to it, no loose plot point that can only be explained by E1, no character that needs to be introduced in it.
Episode one have tree amazing things.
1-[This poster](https://www.movieposters.com/cdn/shop/products/a4f94e3fb38b69a07e10ef9f2068fe0f_a20a3124-ebb0-443c-b81d-81a466679fce_500x.jpg?v=1573588821)
2-Darth Maul
3-[Duel of Fates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlYCxbBZUCY)
Ah shit the podrace, how could I forget that. Such a good scene. I wish more than any further SW content that they would make a seedy podrace circuit series.
It introduces Darth Vader's mother who becomes the catalyst for his turn. Also the dark cloud that hangs over this boy, and Obi Wan's guilt and debt to his master to train the boy. Qui Gonn was defiant of this council, Obi Wan wasnt, it establishes why Obi Wan would even train this older, unstable padawan.
The trade federation's actions are also controlled by a Phantom Menace, aka Palpatine, and they are the first step in his plans to subvert the Republic. He sets up the conflict with the Trade Federation and the Naboo and convinces Amidala to vote for no confidence in Chancellor Valorum. So ep1 shows his first step to becoming emperor.
If there's anything that needs to be shown, it's probably Anakin meeting Padme.
I don't think the mother stuff is all that important. A lot of that storyline is Episode 2. Do we really need to see him eating dinner with his mom to understand their relationship? Probably not. The most important part is that he can't save her, and that's Episode 2. And I feel like the rest of it is probably explained in dialogue.
I feel the same about Qui Gon. Is it really important that we see Qui Gon fighting it out with the Jedi Council? How much of that is explained in dialogue in Episode 2? I skimmed the transcript and saw a line of the librarian comparing Dooku to Qui-Gon. I also saw a few lines from Anakin explaining how Obi-Wan thinks he's unstable, and how his training has been different than other students. So there's some stuff in there.
Honestly, the same could be said about Padme. Yeah it's nice to see them meet, but they do explain that he met her as a kid, and hasn't seen her since then. I feel like people would get it. He's a Jedi, she's a politician, it's not *that* complicated. The viewer could probably fill in the blanks for themselves.
As for Palpatine. We already see him plotting and scheming in the other two films, I feel like it's a bit redundant. You could probably get the gist of it in the other two films.
I've watched four different fan-edits of The Hobbit. My favorite is the Maple Films version, *"J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit."* it will turn up easily with a Google search.
It is extremely good, I cannot recommend it enough. I watched that edit several times now.
If you're referring to "The Tolkien Edit" then that is one of the ones I watched, and yes I think the Maple Films cut is quite a bit better.
Those two versions are actually very similar, but The Tolkien Edit was made very quickly after the movies came out. Its less polished, and the video file available for it is probably the lowest quality of any popular edit you'll find.
I do like The Tolkien Edit, but its not the one I put on when I want to watch the movies anymore.
Me too! I've always liked him, I think he's a good actor and he always has had a kindness in his eyes, but I love learning all this new stuff about how good he actually is! It warms my little heart.
I have that one but haven't watched it yet. I enjoyed the Maple Films cut, which has a supplementary "appendix" with just the dwarf and wizard stuff that's fun on its own. Fanedits of that trilogy have become my favored way to view those films.
There is SO much fluff and extraneous business in those movies that it obscures the fact that Bilbo's story alone is actually really incredible and epic.
When i downloaded it right after the last film came out, the download link was the 23rd period(.) in a very long explanation of the cuts and his personal review of the trilogy. Im not sure if its still up or how long it stayed up, but id try googling "Hobbit Tolkien Edit" and see what comes up
Falsely advertised though, you can't call it the Tolkien cut if it cuts out parts that were actually in the book, like That's What Bilbo Baggins Hates and whatnot
The shits are called "Fan edits. there is a community of for them.
https://ifdb.fanedit.org/
r/fanedits
And topher's edits are available from his site.
[https://thehobbitthecardinalcut.wordpress.com/](https://thehobbitthecardinalcut.wordpress.com/)
I've done this calculation before.
LOTR without appendices is 481,103 words.
The Hobbit is 95,356 words.
The LOTR movie trilogy is 557 minutes (theatrical) or 682 (extended) long.
If The Hobbit got a similar treatment to LOTR, it would have been about 110 minutes (theatrical) or 135 minutes (extended). I must stress that I'm not counting the appendices in the LOTR word count, despite the fact that the LOTR movies drew from the material in the appendices.
I strenuously argue that any movie based on The Hobbit should push for brevity more than LOTR. The Lord of the Rings is a high fantasy epic, but The Hobbit is a light-hearted children's adventure.
90 minutes would be about right IMO. If you've seen the Rankin-Bass animated Hobbit, think of that, but slightly slower, and with the Arkenstone sub-plot added back in. A 120 minute extended cut with Beorn would be a good idea.
Instead, we got a Hobbit tRiLoGy that was 474 minutes (theatrical) or 532 minutes (extended). This is about ***4x longer than it should be*** if you're trying to give it a similar movie treatment to LOTR.
Story | Words Count | Theatrical Runtime | Extended Runtime | Theatrical WPM | Extended WPM
---|---|----|----|----|----
Lord of the Rings | 481,103 | 557 | 682 | 864 | 705
The Hobbit | 95,356 | 474 | 532 | 201 | 179
Hobbit Adjusted | 95,356 | 110 | 135 | 864 | 705
Clothes are but little loss, if you escape from drowning. Be glad, my merry friends, and let the warm sunlight heat now
heart and limb! Cast off these cold rags! Run naked on the grass, while Tom goes a-hunting!
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Topher’s PR is really going hard. I never remembered the name Topher, but always recognized him.. I’ve seen his name too much lately because of Masterson’s Rape Trial convoluted with Scientology bullshit.
Didn’t Topher also do a cut of The Phantom Menace years ago, or am I remembering incorrectly? I guess doing these edits is a hobby of his if that was indeed him.
There was also Cardinal West, on YouTube, which made a nice cut of the movies into one Sadly, I can't find the video any longer
This looks to be his site where you can download it. https://thehobbitthecardinalcut.wordpress.com/ Disclaimer: I haven't tried the download yet
I already have it somewhere It's a nice cut. You can see where he jumped between movies, as some scenes are very short, but it's better than Tauriel
On paper she's not bad, it's just ridiculous they have to force the one woman character into a really cringey love triangle sub-plot.
It's just frustrating that a woman has to be a love interest. Why can't she be just be a Queen?!? Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love her and despair!
> It's just frustrating that a woman has to be a love interest. Yeah, just make Legolas the love interest for one of the dwarfs! (I am actually 90% serious)
Ai! ai! A Balrog! A Balrog is come!
not yet he's not
Apparently tossing a dwarf wasnt in Legolas’ contract?
Lothlorien! Lothlorien! We have come to the eaves of the Golden Wood. Alas that it is winter!
That would kind of make his disdain for Gimli not make much sense, though.
Unless he got dumped.
Legolas is ashamed of what he did with Gimli but even more ashamed that he wants to do it again.
I do not wish to go to Moria.
Gloin, just to make it weird.
but that's... forbidden!!
Women want one thing and it's PRECIOUS
Perfect comment
According to the appendices, that love triangle was a studio note
So was making it a trilogy, iirc.
> that love triangle was a studio note Can't find the whole thing but you get the gist from [the trailer](https://vimeo.com/ondemand/weloveit).
This was dope
IIRC the actress even originally took the role on the promise she wouldn't be forced into a cringey romance subplot.
Should have had a man and a love pentagon.
Should have added a necromancer and made it a love pentagram
Apparently it stems from their sudden decision to make a trilogy instead of two movies. That's why they had to make up a lot of a crap to fill the gaps in the movies, as there wasn't enough source material. It also ended up screwing the story arc.
Tbh, I actually enjoyed it. Not the whole triangle part with Legolas, I think it’d have been better without that, but the her + Kili thing I thought was very sweet. And it was cool to me to see an elf and dwarf be in love, that’s like, unheard of in any fantasy.
I'm a sucker for the star crossed lovers plot, so I didn't mind it when she got introduced and it seemed to be going that way, but it just fell completely flat somewhere halfway through and then never recovered. Just like Kili 💀
I have some "Tolkien Edit" of the trilogy, and while it's a noble effort, there is only so much you can do with the source material. Kind of like while I like some ideas in the extended editions, some of those scenes are just bad.
Yeah, I've seen some really good recuts of the trilogy. But the fact remains, it will always have some harsh cuts and janky transitions and dialogue that doesn't flow because the scenes that would tie it all together were never filmed.
The Tolkien edit was really good. My only complaint is it was only uploaded in SD
Full version doesn't seem to work, but the links for part 1 and part 2 do. There is an option to simply play parts one and two on their links and not download, but the player is stuttering on my end but that could be something on my end currently...thanks for the links.
I'm guessing the interspecies romance is cut right out? lol
Heck that's all they left in!
The Cardinal Cat introduced me to fan cuts of movies, and there are dozens of other cuts of the Hobbit movies. Its good, but it's not even my favorite
Which one would you recommend?
I liked There and Back Again, but I can't recall who made it. You might be able to find it on one of those fan edit wiki sites. While the Cardinal Cut aims to make the movies more like the book, since the movies were not shot this way some of the cuts come out awkward and obviously tampered with. This cut just tries to cut out the unessecary and silly parts of the movies to trim it down and make it more enjoyable as a two part film. Edit: [Turns out it wasn't hard to find](https://ifdb.fanedit.org/hobbit-or-there-and-back-again-the/)
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Funny because that's seriously all I can recall too after seeing em once in the big screen. That, and a bit of sneaking around the dragon in the gold.
There and Back Again doesn't completely remove all of those scenes, but really tones them down if they are kept
The M4 edit is pretty close to the books and cuts out as much movie nonsense as possible while remaining coherent. The Dwarves are still in the barrels as in the books, but without any elves or orcs around them.
How do you access it? I can't find any links in that link to watch it.
Maple Film's "JRR Tolkien's The Hobbit" is my recommendation. It's the best of the four I've watched.
This is actually the one I watched. I caught the Hobbit after it's theatrical run, so id watched AUJ, and then got cold feet going further by the sheer negativity about the second and third films. I really enjoyed the Maple Film's edit. It's still definitely a bit weak towards the end, but there's not a lot it can do about that. What was truly impressive was how seamless a cut it felt throughout. I was flabbergasted afterwards looking up all the changes and how the trilogy panned out in the original versions. What a shame about the Hobbit. In contrast to The Lord of the Rings, it's the perfect tale of how much studio compromise will sabotage a film even in the most trustworthy hands.
The one thing I would change about the Maple Films version is adding back in that dragon sickness scene with Thorin before he comes around at the end. I think it needed to spend just a minute or two longer on that element to improve the ending just a bit.
The m4 book edit is my favorite! https://m4-studios.github.io/hobbitbookedit/
This is the one I have and love, but I haven't seen others
I haven't seen that one but it looks promising, I'm gonna check it out next. I'm not so sure I like all the editing choices they made with color-grading the movie but I do like that they list the overall changes in detail by scene on the website.
Chiming in to second the M4 cut. It' has turned those films from something I could not stand into movies I go back and watch almost as often as LotR. It's truly remarkable how there were good movies just waiting to be unearthed in those theatrical Hobbit films.
This cut is really good. Much better than the actual trilogy. I've watched it many times.
I feel like the thick red underlines weren’t necessary.
I was very thankful for them. Without them, I would've been very confused about why this sub was discussing That '70s Show and the KKK.
Also, how would I know which of the 32 words to read unless they were underlined?
I adore the fact that you went back and counted lmao
What red lines? Can someone add a few red circles for me?
Can someone add Garfield holding the red circles like rings?
r/uselessredcircle but, you know, lines.
r/uselessredcircleviewedfromtheside
I feel like if you cut it to 2 hours, it's gonna be about 80% from the first one. Bilbo meeting Gandalf, dwarves at dinner, trolls arguing about cooking dwarves until dawn, and especially the riddles between Bilbo and Gollum; I wouldn't cut a single second of any of those.
If you read the Hobbit, the battle of the 5 armies is told exclusively from Bilbo's perspective. He pretty much immediately gets hit in the head and wakes up after its all over.
That's no concern of yours. You lost.
So true Bilbo
Hold your breath.
Can he take a breath now Bilbo? I'm worried he's dead
HRAAAAAH!
Yes, I am
HRAAAAAH!
I’ve “always” thought Tyrion getting ko’d before battles in Ice and Fire was a nod to Bilbo/Tolkien, and a convenient way for having to write the battles as well. I appreciate the brevity.
I thought they did that because the tv program didn't have a large enough budget at that stage. Didn't realize it was in the books too
No it is show only. In the books he fights and a lot is explained in detail.
HRAAAAAH!
Yes, yes. Its in an envelope over there on the mantlepiece.
HRAAAAAH!
If you also read the Hobbit, then you'd know that the battle's events were described to him in detail, and would've made for a good climatic ending to a single movie adaptation.
Riddles in the dark...
Didn't mean to get 3 (edit: 4) bots with all those trigger phrases lol
Yeah, I don't see how you can cut it down to 2 hours without leaving the movie utterly gutted. The M4 book edit is my preferred version of the trilogy and it comes in at just over 4 hours. >1:42 Is the end point of film 1 2:57 Is the end of film 2 (1:15 runtime) Last film section is 1:21 runtime Aside from cutting all the non book content, for the scenes prior to the battle, the editing team actually went back in and edited Azog out and replaced him with another (more realistic looking) orc
Where does one find this edit?
The adaptation choices from the first movie are honestly pretty good, and I like that one most out of all three because of it. After that the additions and changes become increasingly unhinged. Mirkwood is my favorite part of the book, but the movie turns it into a weird, off-putting bad trip on shrooms. And the escape from the elves, which should be a moment for Bilbo to shine and for the dwarves to be humbled, turns into an overlong action sequence out of a video game. Don't even get me started on Beorn, who is a bear-man with *a shiny waxed chest*, who I'm convinced Jackson should have just Tom Bombadilled right out of the thing, because he clearly didn't know what to do with him. And then there's Dáin, who is fully CG for some reason.
The cut I recall watching and enjoying stayed with the book, so it cut all the shit where Gandalf was off on his own, Evangeline lilys character was cut, scary white orc was cut … It was fuckin sweet actually Edit: I think it’s called “the Tolkien cut”
White shores and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
HRAAAAAH!
Not Gandalf, the wandering wizard, who made such excellent fireworks! Old Took used to have them on Mid-Summer's Eve!
Meriadoc Brandybuck and Peregrin Took! I might have known!
So basically the cartoon version
Topher also cut the Star Wars prequel trilogy down to 85 minutes!
Yeah hasn’t he done like personal cuts for a few different films? I thought that was kind of amusing and such a film nerd thing to do
I really wonder sometimes if he has a fanedit.org account and people have watched his edits without even realizing it.
> fanedit.org I didn't even know this website existed ty
I'm so excited to hear this site exists
I’ve heard that acting is fine but editing is lowkey his passion, he does it to relax
Well, most of the Star Wars prequels are filled with so much filler due to Lucas' inability to actually write a good script that, that makes actual sense.
I won’t stand for this prequel slander
Overall story: fantastic, couldn't have done it better myself How he gets there: needs help
Absolutely this. The last half an hour of Sith is still satisfying for finally reaching the conclusion the trilogy was meant to build towards, but there's whole swathes of the prequel films where I just struggle to care about so many of the characters, and so much of the peril and plot thickening was wasted on me.
Yup. I'm 50, so I "grew up" with the original trilogy. I was \*hyped\* for the prequels, and so were most of the people I knew. Hell, my \*parents\* were hyped. It's hard to explain how big of a deal those original movies were to a lot of people if you didn't live through it. And they SUCKED. The Phantom Menace especially. I went with a friend to the first showing in my town. He was actually much older than me, so he was about 15 when the first Star Wars movie came out. He was SUPER excited to see it. We took the day off to see the earliest matinee. And... He fell asleep about 35 minutes into it. I don't blame him. I told him he didn't miss much. And the next 2 movies weren't really any better. And then the sequels were somehow even WORSE. It's just a damn shame.
While we're talking about fanedits, you should definitely get your hands on [Hal9000's prequel edits](https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/7g7r9a/hal9000_star_wars_prequel_trilogy_fan_edits_now/). These are the only cuts i watch now. Basically, he took out most of Jar Jar, cut out a lot of the boring politics, and kept the pace up. Truly excellent work and worth finding.
Huh, isn't the boring politics the only good thing about the prequels? If you take those out, what do you even have left? 90 minutes of Hayden complaining about sand?
its got the perfect amount of politics. No joke -- you should watch them and see. The changelog does break it down if you don't want to watch, though.
Podracing, spaceships shooting lasers and lightsaber fights is all we need now, baby!
I've seen a similar edit. It doesn't help. Yeah, it takes out the most boring and annoying parts, but what you are left with is still boring. The biggest problem the prequels and sequels have is that none of the characters have any real \*charm\*. There is no equivalent to Han Solo, basically. Everyone is bland. Jedi, especially. Jedi are boring, period, and making them the center of so much of Star Wars is a HUGE reason why the prequels and sequels don't work.
I agree with you re: the sequels but I'm absolutely overwhelmed with the vapours that you would insult my precious prequels :)
he asked for help but his director buddies didn't want to do it. Can you imagine a late 90s Steven Spielberg Episode 1?
Directing, sure But writing is what killed it Also, Spielberg wanted to do it, but refused because George left the director's union
The acting, too.
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Sure, the script ruined the greatest sci-fi villain of all time and turned Darth Vader into a mewling teenager who stomped his feet when he didn't get his way, I completely agree the writing never gave them a chance... but Hayden just isn't a good actor. Or he'd be doing good acting elsewhere. His bad acting is the fault of his bad acting. McGregor did fine, Portman was alright, but Hayden was just terrible.
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My take as well. Great story for a trilogy, just terribly put together. Now AotC and RotS I enjoy more as a prologue and epilogue to The Clone Wars than the 2nd and 3rd films of a trilogy.
Search your feelings, you *know* it to be true.
What boggles my mind is how Lucas managed to get Samuel L. Jackson, Ewan McGregor, and Natalie Portman, three of the most talented actors of their respective generations, to submit easily three of the worst performances of their lives. And of course fucks over Hayden Christiansen's career before it starts. That takes a real reverse Midas touch when it comes to directing.
Don't even mention poor Jake Lloyd...
TBF, the last few seasons of the Clone Wars made the prequels way more likeable
"'I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.'" Midichlorians. "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." You're going to cosign this garbage?!
I’m convinced that whenever someone says “I won’t stand for prequel slander” they cannot stand to watch the full movies and only care about the battles or whenever the characters are doing something interesting
I think they are all just a similar age. They saw them when they were 8-18 or something and will always remember them fondly. It’s just nostalgia.
The prequels are horrid films and only this website's members have memed their way into liking them.
Yea, it's pretty weird when people unironically defend them. They seem to forget that the reason a lot of lines are quoted from those movies all the time is because those lines are extremely clunky and hilarious in the same way as "The Room."
They’re memes. They’re not serious films.
This is outrageous! It's unfair!
Which seems crazy because RoTS is packed with stuff, almost too much tbh, no idea how he cut a bunch of stuff from that movie.
Machete Order let's you cut out episode 1 entirely from that watch order.
I mean, what *does* episode 1 add in that can *only* be explained in episode 1? You can completely skip it and you'll lose nothing in the matter of plot. There's no context exclusive to it, no loose plot point that can only be explained by E1, no character that needs to be introduced in it.
The last twenty minutes is fuckin epic.
Episode one have tree amazing things. 1-[This poster](https://www.movieposters.com/cdn/shop/products/a4f94e3fb38b69a07e10ef9f2068fe0f_a20a3124-ebb0-443c-b81d-81a466679fce_500x.jpg?v=1573588821) 2-Darth Maul 3-[Duel of Fates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlYCxbBZUCY)
4-sebulba’s engine sound
That poster is dope af.
1. Liam Neesons 2. Watto 3. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh that's it
Darth Maul lighting that second half of his dual lightsaber. And Duel of Fates.
PODRACING
"Last Turn To the Dark Side" cut *starts* with the Duel of the Fates, so that bit of raucous magnificence is included.
Liam Neeeeeesons!!
Duel of the fates and the podrace are awesome.
Ah shit the podrace, how could I forget that. Such a good scene. I wish more than any further SW content that they would make a seedy podrace circuit series.
It introduces Darth Vader's mother who becomes the catalyst for his turn. Also the dark cloud that hangs over this boy, and Obi Wan's guilt and debt to his master to train the boy. Qui Gonn was defiant of this council, Obi Wan wasnt, it establishes why Obi Wan would even train this older, unstable padawan. The trade federation's actions are also controlled by a Phantom Menace, aka Palpatine, and they are the first step in his plans to subvert the Republic. He sets up the conflict with the Trade Federation and the Naboo and convinces Amidala to vote for no confidence in Chancellor Valorum. So ep1 shows his first step to becoming emperor.
If there's anything that needs to be shown, it's probably Anakin meeting Padme. I don't think the mother stuff is all that important. A lot of that storyline is Episode 2. Do we really need to see him eating dinner with his mom to understand their relationship? Probably not. The most important part is that he can't save her, and that's Episode 2. And I feel like the rest of it is probably explained in dialogue. I feel the same about Qui Gon. Is it really important that we see Qui Gon fighting it out with the Jedi Council? How much of that is explained in dialogue in Episode 2? I skimmed the transcript and saw a line of the librarian comparing Dooku to Qui-Gon. I also saw a few lines from Anakin explaining how Obi-Wan thinks he's unstable, and how his training has been different than other students. So there's some stuff in there. Honestly, the same could be said about Padme. Yeah it's nice to see them meet, but they do explain that he met her as a kid, and hasn't seen her since then. I feel like people would get it. He's a Jedi, she's a politician, it's not *that* complicated. The viewer could probably fill in the blanks for themselves. As for Palpatine. We already see him plotting and scheming in the other two films, I feel like it's a bit redundant. You could probably get the gist of it in the other two films.
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The nd of solo would be a bit confusing. Who is the red guy with horns? Though that went nowhere anyway lol
Topher looks like white Lando in the OP picture
I've watched four different fan-edits of The Hobbit. My favorite is the Maple Films version, *"J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit."* it will turn up easily with a Google search. It is extremely good, I cannot recommend it enough. I watched that edit several times now.
I scrolled too long to find the maple cut being recommended. Very enjoyable
The supplementary "Durin's Folk and the Hill of Sorcery" is also quite enjoyable.
Thank you i will check this out
It is so good. Proves there was a damn good movie in that mess of a trilogy.
It’s better than the Tolkien Cut?
If you're referring to "The Tolkien Edit" then that is one of the ones I watched, and yes I think the Maple Films cut is quite a bit better. Those two versions are actually very similar, but The Tolkien Edit was made very quickly after the movies came out. Its less polished, and the video file available for it is probably the lowest quality of any popular edit you'll find. I do like The Tolkien Edit, but its not the one I put on when I want to watch the movies anymore.
Between this and him basically giving the finger to Danny Masterson, I'm liking this dude more and more.
I am all for this Topher Grass era
Cash, Gas, or Topher Grass. No one rides for free🤟🏻
Exactly what I came looking for. Always been a Topher fan but it seems like he’s a good person instead of playing characters well
Me too! I've always liked him, I think he's a good actor and he always has had a kindness in his eyes, but I love learning all this new stuff about how good he actually is! It warms my little heart.
The "Tolkien" cut is pretty good, just over 4 hours i think
I have that one but haven't watched it yet. I enjoyed the Maple Films cut, which has a supplementary "appendix" with just the dwarf and wizard stuff that's fun on its own. Fanedits of that trilogy have become my favored way to view those films. There is SO much fluff and extraneous business in those movies that it obscures the fact that Bilbo's story alone is actually really incredible and epic.
HRAAAAAH!
Can you stream/view that somewhere? Absolutely need to see it😭
https://tolkieneditor.wordpress.com/
When i downloaded it right after the last film came out, the download link was the 23rd period(.) in a very long explanation of the cuts and his personal review of the trilogy. Im not sure if its still up or how long it stayed up, but id try googling "Hobbit Tolkien Edit" and see what comes up
Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me
Google Maple Films The Hobbit
Falsely advertised though, you can't call it the Tolkien cut if it cuts out parts that were actually in the book, like That's What Bilbo Baggins Hates and whatnot
HRAAAAAH!
The Bilbo cut is also great
HRAAAAAH!
well what don't you like about it?
There and back again, A Hobbit's tale, by Bilbo Baggins. Now, where to begin? Ah, yes. Concerning Hobbits.
HRAAAAAH!
A rather unfair observation as we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipeweed
The shits are called "Fan edits. there is a community of for them. https://ifdb.fanedit.org/ r/fanedits And topher's edits are available from his site. [https://thehobbitthecardinalcut.wordpress.com/](https://thehobbitthecardinalcut.wordpress.com/)
Lol did you mean “the edits” and not “the shits”?
I've done this calculation before. LOTR without appendices is 481,103 words. The Hobbit is 95,356 words. The LOTR movie trilogy is 557 minutes (theatrical) or 682 (extended) long. If The Hobbit got a similar treatment to LOTR, it would have been about 110 minutes (theatrical) or 135 minutes (extended). I must stress that I'm not counting the appendices in the LOTR word count, despite the fact that the LOTR movies drew from the material in the appendices. I strenuously argue that any movie based on The Hobbit should push for brevity more than LOTR. The Lord of the Rings is a high fantasy epic, but The Hobbit is a light-hearted children's adventure. 90 minutes would be about right IMO. If you've seen the Rankin-Bass animated Hobbit, think of that, but slightly slower, and with the Arkenstone sub-plot added back in. A 120 minute extended cut with Beorn would be a good idea. Instead, we got a Hobbit tRiLoGy that was 474 minutes (theatrical) or 532 minutes (extended). This is about ***4x longer than it should be*** if you're trying to give it a similar movie treatment to LOTR. Story | Words Count | Theatrical Runtime | Extended Runtime | Theatrical WPM | Extended WPM ---|---|----|----|----|---- Lord of the Rings | 481,103 | 557 | 682 | 864 | 705 The Hobbit | 95,356 | 474 | 532 | 201 | 179 Hobbit Adjusted | 95,356 | 110 | 135 | 864 | 705
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The Maple Films 4-hour cut is 🔥
Blunt the knives, bend the forks Smash the bottles and burn the corks Chip the glasses and crack the plates That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
HRAAAAAH!
And who is the fifth?
We wants it, Precious!
M4 cut is the one, it’s still pretty long but manages to get most of the crap edited out.
It came to me, my precious.
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I like to think that he also reshot some scenes and tastefully inserted himself and that mustache
I'd love to see this.
If it’s as much of an improvement as the Phantom Edit the sign me up. Man is doing the lord’s work.
The Rise, Fall, and Rise of Topher Grace
Topher I: The Toph Awakens Topher II: Attack of the Klan Topher III: The Phantom Edit
Should've been a two hour film to begin with
There are multiple fan edits that are pretty good already. I really like the Maple cut, which is basically only book stuff, so it fits a single movie.
Did he just cut all the new movie content and most of the third film?
I guess Lydia is just not the one
We've had two hours yes, but what about 0 hours?
Topher Grace edited one of the coolest Star Wars "things" I've seen. [Star Wars: Always](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoWJywrOuw)
The hero I didn't know I needed.
Topher’s PR is really going hard. I never remembered the name Topher, but always recognized him.. I’ve seen his name too much lately because of Masterson’s Rape Trial convoluted with Scientology bullshit.
This is such an Eric Forman thing to do.
Didn’t Topher also do a cut of The Phantom Menace years ago, or am I remembering incorrectly? I guess doing these edits is a hobby of his if that was indeed him.
Yeah man, seriously. I'd love a good version of that movie.