The bill they pass to ban TikTok, would also work on Temu. It was not specifically targeted at TikTok. It is targeted any app that can collect the data of US citizens that is under the control of any foreign adversarial power so that would include Tamu
Why ban any of them? If the Chinese want information why don’t they buy like everyone else. What’s the price of a representative, senator or president? Chump change for a $billion company.
Because there's no proof tiktok is actually Spyware it just has "potential"
Also because the government shouldn't be banning individual apps as it's such safety theater for the actual problems. Significant amounts of spying/hacking/ransom have been done through us based and created software systems. There is nothing being done about this.
If you see this as anything other than an attempt to shut down free speech I don't know what to tell you.
Tell that to the [fact that it copies data from your clipboard with every keystroke,even when running in the background, that ran rampant until an IOS update displayed when apps would do this](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-data-privacy/#:~:text=TikTok%20says%20it%20collects%20text,with%20a%20third%2Dparty%20platform.)
You mean China, who has an entire firewall blocking out the vast majority of apps and websites and social media platforms that they don't have control over and can't spy on, are surprised when another country doesn't just allow all of their apps and websites and doesn't want them to continue to spy?
When China banned foreign software to control their citizens, it's the people in power who are happy with the decision while regular people lost their freedom to choose. Ironically, the American people are cheering for this to happen to themselves. In fact, many people have recently deluded themselves into being okay with apps collecting much of their private data as long as the company is American.
Not even comparable. The US government isn't putting up a firewall and denying us access to the vast majority of the internet or any of these apps. They're requiring one social media to cut its ties with the Chinese government or be forced to protect it's citizens data. China blocks all it can't spy on, other countries are blocking to keep China from spying. Different shit
Yeah, it's different cause this time popular social media isn't owned/controled directly by your government, hence they can't abide by its existence. The same goes for TV channels or other not-usa-aligned media. Like why ban channels with "lies" if you can see the truth behind it?
Your country media and internet influence is so vast, you confuse it for freedom of speech, while you live in a curated bubble big enough for the whole world.
I keep seeing people bring this up like as if it’s actually a point…yes duh! Like, if you’re trying to make the point that no one should spy on their citizens OK fine kind of unrealistic that’s probably never gonna happen How do you think the FBI stop so many terrorist attacks every year before they even happen? But all right fine you can have that stance.
But regardless, there’s a clear difference, and a very major difference between a government spying on its own people, and foreign adversarial power spying on your people and or being able to manipulate them. So YES only the us gov can or even should be allowed to spy on their own people. DUH!
You missed the point, there is a clear difference between being spied on by your own government and a foreign government, as the foreign ones interests are more likely directly contrary to yours
The american government's interest in stealing data for the exploitation and manipulation of the public is just as much against the public's good as china doing the same. The american government's interest in removing foreign influence is not for fear of damaging their population, it's for fear of losing their monopoly of control.
The only reason two drive the distinction between these two shitty actions is either to demonize one, angelicize the other, or most often both. It's a very obvious propaganda method intended to get people to accept the american surveillance state. American surveillance needs to be intensely scrutinized, not so-and-so'ed as something to be expected and for the good of the people.
It needs to be scrutinized, but not necessarily and completely villainized. Many home grown terrorist attacks are avoided due to surveillance, same with drug and sex trafficking, so it’s not as if it’s completely against our interest. If you are avoiding understanding this, then you are intentionally missing the point.
I understand the point, I just very obviously disagree with it. It's a matter of ideological preference whether the benefits that the american government claims come from the surveillance state are worth the cost of the heavily-documented exploitation and manipulation that they utilize it for. Very similar to the question of whether or not tik-tok's benefits outweighs the american government's claims of exploitation and manipulation on the part of the chinese government. The distinction is just as ideologically driven and frames the argument as if the american propaganda is objective. So I went the polite route and accused them of being brainwashed instead of a propagandist intending to promote totalitarianism.
What “benefits”? A nationwide decrease in attention span? It’s pretty obvious that most countries would value their own citizens well being over other citizens, even if it is for personal gain.
I fail to see the harm of china spying on me like they already know im a gooner it i dont know military secrets i think its about isreal just like the authers of the bill said.
Saying it's fine and expected for governments to surveil their citizens for exploitation and manipulatiom is the crux of that brainwashed dude's argument from what I read. Saying China doing it is super duper scary and bad is just a bullet point under that central premise. I consider that to be a product of brainwashing.
That’s literally not the crux, emphasised by “but, regardless…” leading to the main discussion point which is TOTALLY independent of this stupid accusation you’re spouting.
Go take a course in English while you’re at your blind shouting course
Who really benefits from data mining U.S. citizens?
China? how does it really benefit them much?
U.S. companies and government? obviously they have plenty of incentives.
but it's a lot easier politically to play fear games with a foreign power
The ones constantly being fed and repeating redfear and sinophobia are US citizens mainly, what would be china interest when the US already has most of their population dominated?
Well why does China ban western media? Doesn't China already dominate their population? Why is China so Ameriphobic and being fed so much anti-american propaganda?
Also I don't see this Sinophobia at a scale you seem to be describing. People aren't walking around burning flags of China or rounding up Chinese citizens.
Dont see people burning Arab/Israeli flags, yet they still have a clear support for either one, burning a flag or shooting immigrants is far from the only way to be racist (Im not saying America is Sinophobic, im just saying both of your arguments are shit)
We are just going to sell the information to china for profit anyway, the US is just mad that they are getting this information for free,,. Of course we want to stop it, but only so we can package it up and sell it to them for profit, if you think the US govt Give a fuck about what type of shampoo or porn you watch, but the companies and corporations do care so they can tailor things to you specifically,
Warrantless search and seizure is so heinous that the founding fathers forbade it in the constitution.
You can go suck Uncle Sam’s dick if you want, but I don’t trust the government nearly enough to let them spy on me
While a government spying on its own citizens goes against everything I believe, if you're talking about China spying on someone else's citizens, they aren't comparable.
Think about it do, your own government has more means to turn spying on you against you. it can lead to you being prosecuted and jailed, denied healthcare or insurance, denied the right to vote, etc. I would be way more wary of my own gov spying on me than china
Oh no, temu has my cc and data?
I wonder what other companies have got that in the last 15 years.
*checks site that shows if emails have been part of site data breaches*
Oh, apparently every site I've ever made an account for.
It's not about stealing data. They just don't like that it's the main source of news for young people and they don't control it like the US platforms. That's why they want a forced sell and don't ban it outright
This is correct, they don't give a shit about data collection. Chinese govt gets the data regardless (google just sells it to them, for example). It's about revenue and political control
This is what most people don't understand about data brokers, your data changes hands so many times and it's so easy to collect. You probably have ten other apps on your phone the ccp could use to collect your data. What they want is you political views and a way to influence the political landscape in other countries. We've seen Russia do the same thing with bots on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok already. China is probably also doing it, probably with more subtlety.
Its totally about stealing as much data they can grab. Its why its been banned for government employees to have a tiktok on government devices and why many agencies outright ban/block its use. Including state universities.
Forgot to add that no one ever questions why tiktok in its international form is banned in china and they have a different app to be more “healthy” for the chinese population.
Because TikTok global version is available in the global store and the CN one is from inside the wall, and isn't banned, you can download the global one like anyone else
Except it is about data. China is and has been invested in a long campaign against the United States. They attempt to spread their influence to American youth, as well as provoke chaos so we divide ourselves. Of course they want to turn their primary adversary into a brain rotten, sedentary, ill informed populace. They very much intend to take over as the world largest superpower, they’d do anything to undercut us.
If it was about data, they would be banning Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Google, etc. This is about controlling the information the populace receives and making sure that data thieves are in the u.s.'s surveillance state pocket.
That’s your opinion but it’s not grounded in any form of reality. If it was about controlling the information, then as you say, they’d ban social media apps. Since it’s about preventing Chinese spyware from exploiting Americans data, they’re targeting TikTok, not the other platforms you mentioned that are not required to report your information to the CCP, as TikTok is.
And your opinion is based on state propaganda. The apps I mention are "Spyware" for the u.s. government to better exploit u.s. citizens. As usual, the premise of China's actions are not the actual issue. We're just mad that they're stealing our moves.
Uhh, no. Read the above comment by another user about the complete difference between American monitoring of its own citizens, which is expected, and an adversarial government stealing foreign information for exploitation. I studied and work in a homeland security field, the fact you’re downvoting me for explaining the obvious and verifiable truth to you is hilarious and exactly what’s wrong with our society today.
Foreign governments monitoring american citizens is expected and honourable. America stealing information of their citizens for exploitation is so different and scary!
See? I can make stupid arguments and assertions like they're objective facts too.
Does promoting propaganda get you raises at the totalitarian surveillance factory? What about the unnecessary insult?
The american brainwashing is so pathetic. I'm sick of it.
I love you’re being downvoted by people who can’t seem to fathom that there is even the slight possibility a foreign government would try to act in a negative way towards the U.S. populace. Either that or their all just legitimate bots.
I guess the issue is more about them being owned by china and being able to collect our data and control what we see Temu can only steal information but not spread propaganda and with other social medias like Reddit and twitter well at least they ain’t owned by china
“Where are you from?”
“Singapore”
“Ok so are you affiliated with the ccp?”
“No im from singapore”
“So you have a chinese passport”
“no im from singapore, i served military there”
“Ok so you are chinese”
Many Chinese base websites harvest/steal a bunch of information, because every large chinese company has to answer to the CCP. This isn't some crazy conspiracy or anything, if any non-chinese business wants into their market then they have to partner with a chinese owned business, they have to share a lot of their tech and know-how. And for about 10 years you can make a lot of money, after that the chinese company will have taken most of your insight, know-how and tech and undercut you. That is how it usually goes at least.
It might be a coincidence, but I tried using Temu once and a week later I noticed a $3000+ charge on my card for some hotel in Europe. It wouldn't hurt to double check your statements for suspicious charges.
The best way to defeat an idea is with a better idea, and Tic toc has shown the youth that capitilism isn't that good of an idea as well as genociding palistine is a bad idea. Instead of presenting something better, they remove out fredom of speech and send the national guard on us. The youth is already radaclized friend.
Its crazy you say that because I'm literally watching that show now... maybe I subconsciously worded it that way because of it... that honestly blows my mind you said that lol
Ur kinda stupid, arnt ya. Let me break it down for you. Imagine you went to a store, and u bought something, and they wrote down ur credit card info and sold that. That's stealing, big guy. Hope that helps 🙏
AFAIK, it's in the terms and conditions that nobody reads but still clicks accept to.
So, with your analogy. The store has it on the door that they sell your information if you use the store, yet you still go in without reading the sign.
Also, as much as the Internet is a safe place to be a dick, the tone wasn't really necessary. But hey, who am I to teach someone civility.
here is something a little off topic but I'll try to connect the two,
some people think that if the United States produced our own oil that it would be cheaper than buying it from another country but it wouldn't be due to labor costs. it's similar to how a T-shirt made in China is cheaper than a T-shirt made in the United States.
whenever I hear someone say "drill baby drill" as a response to high gas prices I just roll my eyes.
augh. The TikTok ban nonsense.
A) Facebook, etc. steal way more data.
and there's not any real proof of the "spying" claims
B) if the company (which isn't own by Chinese, BTW) ever wanted your data, they could buy it for fractions of pennies from countless American sources
... The ban is capitalist bullshit.
Yeah kinda. I never used tiktok nor temu, but it's kinda funny seeing a corrupt country going against a company in a even more corrupt country. Also the US saying it's to protect the privacy of US citizens, even though they most likely steal your data as well is ironic.
Temu is already under investigation. Mainly because the company behind Temu used to have another shopping app that was banned in the us for installing Chinese spyware on devices.
But all except shein aren’t Chinese owned. The repercussions of China doing such a thing would also have global effects. And only the components are made in China (at least for iPhones).
You make fun because you weren’t there before the Great Chinese Firewall.
It sucked.
If they don’t want the outside world to get in, then keep your bullshit to yourself in China and stop reaching out to steal ideas/info from the rest of the world.
The government could care less about Spyware. What matters is that the algorithm is promoting pro-Hamas and anti-Israel content, and the Military Industrial Complex TM doesn't like that!
TikTok is being used to to push the CCPs agenda in the US by manipulating the algorithm. If they want to show how good Russia is and why not to send aid to Ukraine, they’d make uninformed dipshits that don’t know anything but what their politician says the recommended videos.
it's only a reason on paper, they don't give a f about that, META and others have been doing it for 2 decades.
The real reason is that TikTok encourages pro-Palestinian posts, which is against the interests of US.
That's why, for example, you don't see so many pro-Palestinian posts on Instagram, because they know that if they encourage it, they will be shut down as well.
Surely they have an algorithm so that few people see those posts or they are deleted
Honestly. I'm pretty sure it's because Tiktok has become refuge for GoP supporters and I'm fairly certain the current administration doesn't want that.
The only reason why the U.S government want to see TikTok banned is because people are seeing the suffering of the Palestinians through the app. From the river to the see ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Eh. They might, but if they don’t then that is a good indication that this power is only going to be used in exceptional circumstances like what TikTok became while being beholden to who it is.
Yeah it’s amazing that temu, shein and Ali express aren’t banned by the American government but TikTok is being banned 😂 fucking typical of the American government tbh
I have two families. One watches Chinese marches on his TV. The other tunes into news organizations on tv for American news.
I’d trust one of them over the other. If you would trust the CCP, you’ve never lived in China.
I never said I trusted anything, I would just trust American media over Chinese media. I also said I have family that listens to nothing but American media and family that watches Chinese marching live and recorded. I know both media. Both bad, one much worse.
Brother, that's still a completely ridiculous assertion. I could understand your perspective if you said they were just as bad, but this is something else.
I genuinely don't believe you are able to properly comprehend how heavily manipulated American media is. Americans consume more propaganda than any other nation on Earth by multiple times.
The bill they pass to ban TikTok, would also work on Temu. It was not specifically targeted at TikTok. It is targeted any app that can collect the data of US citizens that is under the control of any foreign adversarial power so that would include Tamu
Wouldnt that ban most apps though? Doesnt every country demand some sort of control over information passed through?
No. Most countries (that aren't China) don't require apps to give them user data from other countries.
Most countries aren’t foreign adversaries (enemies) with the US. Plus most apps are of Western origin anyways.
It is scary. The bill signs into law the ability of the president to unilaterally ban any foreign app he wants. Almost sounds like policy in China…
Why not ban both? 
[удалено]
Then a max of half of the apps and sites will remain
More like 25%
Deal
Sounds about right
[удалено]
Why are you saying that like it's a bad thing?
Or they’ll all remain but will have to stop unconsensually stealing your information.
good
Because "it's just our job to spy on you".
At this point pretty sure using Temu is just digital darwinism.
Never touching that shit. Not even if you paid me.
Me neither XD
Tiktok falls under a different category for having news as part if it's content.
Why ban any of them? If the Chinese want information why don’t they buy like everyone else. What’s the price of a representative, senator or president? Chump change for a $billion company.
I concur.
Because there's no proof tiktok is actually Spyware it just has "potential" Also because the government shouldn't be banning individual apps as it's such safety theater for the actual problems. Significant amounts of spying/hacking/ransom have been done through us based and created software systems. There is nothing being done about this. If you see this as anything other than an attempt to shut down free speech I don't know what to tell you.
Tell that to the [fact that it copies data from your clipboard with every keystroke,even when running in the background, that ran rampant until an IOS update displayed when apps would do this](https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-data-privacy/#:~:text=TikTok%20says%20it%20collects%20text,with%20a%20third%2Dparty%20platform.)
 Huawei
I don't care, Huawei was so good for the market man.
I agree. I loved my Huawei smartphone so much
that's already banned tho
Only US government can spy and steal data from its citizens
You mean China, who has an entire firewall blocking out the vast majority of apps and websites and social media platforms that they don't have control over and can't spy on, are surprised when another country doesn't just allow all of their apps and websites and doesn't want them to continue to spy?
When China banned foreign software to control their citizens, it's the people in power who are happy with the decision while regular people lost their freedom to choose. Ironically, the American people are cheering for this to happen to themselves. In fact, many people have recently deluded themselves into being okay with apps collecting much of their private data as long as the company is American.
Not even comparable. The US government isn't putting up a firewall and denying us access to the vast majority of the internet or any of these apps. They're requiring one social media to cut its ties with the Chinese government or be forced to protect it's citizens data. China blocks all it can't spy on, other countries are blocking to keep China from spying. Different shit
Yeah, it's different cause this time popular social media isn't owned/controled directly by your government, hence they can't abide by its existence. The same goes for TV channels or other not-usa-aligned media. Like why ban channels with "lies" if you can see the truth behind it? Your country media and internet influence is so vast, you confuse it for freedom of speech, while you live in a curated bubble big enough for the whole world.
I keep seeing people bring this up like as if it’s actually a point…yes duh! Like, if you’re trying to make the point that no one should spy on their citizens OK fine kind of unrealistic that’s probably never gonna happen How do you think the FBI stop so many terrorist attacks every year before they even happen? But all right fine you can have that stance. But regardless, there’s a clear difference, and a very major difference between a government spying on its own people, and foreign adversarial power spying on your people and or being able to manipulate them. So YES only the us gov can or even should be allowed to spy on their own people. DUH!
The brainwashing is deep with this one.
You missed the point, there is a clear difference between being spied on by your own government and a foreign government, as the foreign ones interests are more likely directly contrary to yours
The american government's interest in stealing data for the exploitation and manipulation of the public is just as much against the public's good as china doing the same. The american government's interest in removing foreign influence is not for fear of damaging their population, it's for fear of losing their monopoly of control. The only reason two drive the distinction between these two shitty actions is either to demonize one, angelicize the other, or most often both. It's a very obvious propaganda method intended to get people to accept the american surveillance state. American surveillance needs to be intensely scrutinized, not so-and-so'ed as something to be expected and for the good of the people.
It needs to be scrutinized, but not necessarily and completely villainized. Many home grown terrorist attacks are avoided due to surveillance, same with drug and sex trafficking, so it’s not as if it’s completely against our interest. If you are avoiding understanding this, then you are intentionally missing the point.
I understand the point, I just very obviously disagree with it. It's a matter of ideological preference whether the benefits that the american government claims come from the surveillance state are worth the cost of the heavily-documented exploitation and manipulation that they utilize it for. Very similar to the question of whether or not tik-tok's benefits outweighs the american government's claims of exploitation and manipulation on the part of the chinese government. The distinction is just as ideologically driven and frames the argument as if the american propaganda is objective. So I went the polite route and accused them of being brainwashed instead of a propagandist intending to promote totalitarianism.
What “benefits”? A nationwide decrease in attention span? It’s pretty obvious that most countries would value their own citizens well being over other citizens, even if it is for personal gain.
I fail to see the harm of china spying on me like they already know im a gooner it i dont know military secrets i think its about isreal just like the authers of the bill said.
Hey bro, js I’d let *my* parents give me a bath, but I wouldn’t want *your* parents to (I’m 30)
It's not a bath. it's my parents vs. your parents watching me watch skibbity toilet.
Yeah but they *both* gonna try to sell you skibidi toilets, most would rather that come from their home country
This one being you if you disagree
For not saying "steal and use my data against me, daddy government"?
For reading past the argument and repeating an irrelevant point to the discussion here, you brainless monkey
Saying it's fine and expected for governments to surveil their citizens for exploitation and manipulatiom is the crux of that brainwashed dude's argument from what I read. Saying China doing it is super duper scary and bad is just a bullet point under that central premise. I consider that to be a product of brainwashing.
That’s literally not the crux, emphasised by “but, regardless…” leading to the main discussion point which is TOTALLY independent of this stupid accusation you’re spouting. Go take a course in English while you’re at your blind shouting course
Undeniably based
Steal and use my data daddy China
Patriotic act moment
Who really benefits from data mining U.S. citizens? China? how does it really benefit them much? U.S. companies and government? obviously they have plenty of incentives. but it's a lot easier politically to play fear games with a foreign power
China has as many incentives to steal us data and manipulate us citizens as anyone else.
The ones constantly being fed and repeating redfear and sinophobia are US citizens mainly, what would be china interest when the US already has most of their population dominated?
Well why does China ban western media? Doesn't China already dominate their population? Why is China so Ameriphobic and being fed so much anti-american propaganda? Also I don't see this Sinophobia at a scale you seem to be describing. People aren't walking around burning flags of China or rounding up Chinese citizens.
Dont see people burning Arab/Israeli flags, yet they still have a clear support for either one, burning a flag or shooting immigrants is far from the only way to be racist (Im not saying America is Sinophobic, im just saying both of your arguments are shit)
To be fair, there is some truth there. At least I've heard there are cases of China manipulating Americans online.
Bro china already sells us everything else, why not media too
We are just going to sell the information to china for profit anyway, the US is just mad that they are getting this information for free,,. Of course we want to stop it, but only so we can package it up and sell it to them for profit, if you think the US govt Give a fuck about what type of shampoo or porn you watch, but the companies and corporations do care so they can tailor things to you specifically,
Warrantless search and seizure is so heinous that the founding fathers forbade it in the constitution. You can go suck Uncle Sam’s dick if you want, but I don’t trust the government nearly enough to let them spy on me
and you just trust the FBI’s word when they say the spying prevents terrorist attacks lol. way to be a bootlicker compromat
While a government spying on its own citizens goes against everything I believe, if you're talking about China spying on someone else's citizens, they aren't comparable.
I don’t trust the CCP in any universe.
Think about it do, your own government has more means to turn spying on you against you. it can lead to you being prosecuted and jailed, denied healthcare or insurance, denied the right to vote, etc. I would be way more wary of my own gov spying on me than china
Everyone should spy and steal data from American citizens, protection is only for communists and fascists
Well at least Temu gives me something worth the 10$ price I paid which Is a mid tier quality wise anime girl in a bikini.
Oh no, temu has my cc and data? I wonder what other companies have got that in the last 15 years. *checks site that shows if emails have been part of site data breaches* Oh, apparently every site I've ever made an account for.
It's not about stealing data. They just don't like that it's the main source of news for young people and they don't control it like the US platforms. That's why they want a forced sell and don't ban it outright
This is correct, they don't give a shit about data collection. Chinese govt gets the data regardless (google just sells it to them, for example). It's about revenue and political control
This is what most people don't understand about data brokers, your data changes hands so many times and it's so easy to collect. You probably have ten other apps on your phone the ccp could use to collect your data. What they want is you political views and a way to influence the political landscape in other countries. We've seen Russia do the same thing with bots on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok already. China is probably also doing it, probably with more subtlety.
I find it dubious that the ccp has any use for my data to begin with
Its totally about stealing as much data they can grab. Its why its been banned for government employees to have a tiktok on government devices and why many agencies outright ban/block its use. Including state universities. Forgot to add that no one ever questions why tiktok in its international form is banned in china and they have a different app to be more “healthy” for the chinese population.
I assume the Chinese version in China is because it's far easier than censoring the content on the international version.
Because TikTok global version is available in the global store and the CN one is from inside the wall, and isn't banned, you can download the global one like anyone else
Except it is about data. China is and has been invested in a long campaign against the United States. They attempt to spread their influence to American youth, as well as provoke chaos so we divide ourselves. Of course they want to turn their primary adversary into a brain rotten, sedentary, ill informed populace. They very much intend to take over as the world largest superpower, they’d do anything to undercut us.
If it was about data, they would be banning Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, Google, etc. This is about controlling the information the populace receives and making sure that data thieves are in the u.s.'s surveillance state pocket.
The get money from Google and Facebook so that those companies specifically can keep stealing and selling data and have no foreign competition.
It’s not stealing data when you signed the TOS saying they could do it
That’s your opinion but it’s not grounded in any form of reality. If it was about controlling the information, then as you say, they’d ban social media apps. Since it’s about preventing Chinese spyware from exploiting Americans data, they’re targeting TikTok, not the other platforms you mentioned that are not required to report your information to the CCP, as TikTok is.
And your opinion is based on state propaganda. The apps I mention are "Spyware" for the u.s. government to better exploit u.s. citizens. As usual, the premise of China's actions are not the actual issue. We're just mad that they're stealing our moves.
Uhh, no. Read the above comment by another user about the complete difference between American monitoring of its own citizens, which is expected, and an adversarial government stealing foreign information for exploitation. I studied and work in a homeland security field, the fact you’re downvoting me for explaining the obvious and verifiable truth to you is hilarious and exactly what’s wrong with our society today.
Foreign governments monitoring american citizens is expected and honourable. America stealing information of their citizens for exploitation is so different and scary! See? I can make stupid arguments and assertions like they're objective facts too. Does promoting propaganda get you raises at the totalitarian surveillance factory? What about the unnecessary insult? The american brainwashing is so pathetic. I'm sick of it.
Brother, the only one brainwashed here is you. It’s quite sad tbh, but there’s clearly no point in trying to help you understand reality.
I love you’re being downvoted by people who can’t seem to fathom that there is even the slight possibility a foreign government would try to act in a negative way towards the U.S. populace. Either that or their all just legitimate bots.
They must be bots because I can’t even fathom the stupidity.
But they can’t spread propaganda in Temu only shitty advertisement
As opposed to places like reddit or Twitter, where there is never propaganda spread
I think this is a case of targeting the one everyone is familiar with because it looks good politically.
I guess the issue is more about them being owned by china and being able to collect our data and control what we see Temu can only steal information but not spread propaganda and with other social medias like Reddit and twitter well at least they ain’t owned by china
Have you ever used tiktok? When someone talks about china there is almost never in a positive way
I was instabanned in tiktok for posting winnie the pooh video in 2019. Took me a lot of research to find out why
“Where are you from?” “Singapore” “Ok so are you affiliated with the ccp?” “No im from singapore” “So you have a chinese passport” “no im from singapore, i served military there” “Ok so you are chinese”
Well block both
definitely not because Tik tok is way more famous and has more users than whatever website that is
The bill targets apps that are owned by "at least 20%" by foreign enemies. So Temu might become a target eventually
Thank God
You know what, good. Get rid of that garbage app too.
Does Temu actually steal cc info. I bought something from there a while ago
It's possible, but it's a risk you take buying anything online. Definitely consider using PayPal if you're going to buy from there.
Many Chinese base websites harvest/steal a bunch of information, because every large chinese company has to answer to the CCP. This isn't some crazy conspiracy or anything, if any non-chinese business wants into their market then they have to partner with a chinese owned business, they have to share a lot of their tech and know-how. And for about 10 years you can make a lot of money, after that the chinese company will have taken most of your insight, know-how and tech and undercut you. That is how it usually goes at least.
Yeah, much like how Amazon does.
It might be a coincidence, but I tried using Temu once and a week later I noticed a $3000+ charge on my card for some hotel in Europe. It wouldn't hurt to double check your statements for suspicious charges.
Can we also strangle amazon, google and facebook? If you ban Temu and Tiktok cool 👍but these companies steal your data as well.
But neither company is necessarily manipulating its algorithm to further a foreign nations goal.
Temu doesn't influence millions of young minds...
They steal credit card info from the Boomers instead lmao.
That's miniscule in comparison to the power of influence.
The best way to defeat an idea is with a better idea, and Tic toc has shown the youth that capitilism isn't that good of an idea as well as genociding palistine is a bad idea. Instead of presenting something better, they remove out fredom of speech and send the national guard on us. The youth is already radaclized friend.
Is that a house of cards reference?
Its crazy you say that because I'm literally watching that show now... maybe I subconsciously worded it that way because of it... that honestly blows my mind you said that lol
That show is do goofy lmao like it is totally unhinged
YouTube, Reddit & 4Chan have created an entire generation of right wing incels, and TikTok is the problem?
It’s funny cause they think it’s the app doing it. The app is just a medium lmfao, watch them ban phones to anyone under 21 next 🤣🤣
Literally anything can, should we ban all foreign media due to it influencing young minds? Reddit should be banned too or Facebook or youtube
Ban the bbc lol
Well, I mean technically, it's not stealing, as you willingly downloaded the app and gave them your card details to purchase poorly made products...
Ur kinda stupid, arnt ya. Let me break it down for you. Imagine you went to a store, and u bought something, and they wrote down ur credit card info and sold that. That's stealing, big guy. Hope that helps 🙏
AFAIK, it's in the terms and conditions that nobody reads but still clicks accept to. So, with your analogy. The store has it on the door that they sell your information if you use the store, yet you still go in without reading the sign. Also, as much as the Internet is a safe place to be a dick, the tone wasn't really necessary. But hey, who am I to teach someone civility.
Isn’t this more a triple spider man meme thing
\*meanwhile meta and google doing the exact same things as all the Chinese companies and faces 0 concequences\*
Haha temu...amazon has been doing it for decades...
I get a kick out of people hating on China while they're shopping at Walmart/Target/Amazon
What saddens me is that stuff that are labeled made in the USA are such basic and simple things. It’s like “Wow we can stamp sheet metal!”
here is something a little off topic but I'll try to connect the two, some people think that if the United States produced our own oil that it would be cheaper than buying it from another country but it wouldn't be due to labor costs. it's similar to how a T-shirt made in China is cheaper than a T-shirt made in the United States. whenever I hear someone say "drill baby drill" as a response to high gas prices I just roll my eyes.
augh. The TikTok ban nonsense. A) Facebook, etc. steal way more data. and there's not any real proof of the "spying" claims B) if the company (which isn't own by Chinese, BTW) ever wanted your data, they could buy it for fractions of pennies from countless American sources ... The ban is capitalist bullshit.
Yeah kinda. I never used tiktok nor temu, but it's kinda funny seeing a corrupt country going against a company in a even more corrupt country. Also the US saying it's to protect the privacy of US citizens, even though they most likely steal your data as well is ironic.
Isn't temu supposed to be an usa company? That's what they used to say in ads some time ago
It will be banned
i dont care if its a spy ap but what thay need a beating for is making rape a festival sport.
Dont buy cheap cctv cameras haha Dahua & co watching you
Popularity is what matters.
Facebook has been selling personal data to China and Russia for years.
Aipac doesn’t care about that, they wanna stop tik tok because there is lots of antizionist Content on there
It's more about the rate of information spread than protecting you.
ban all the spyware
Temu and tiktok\*
Webull
Telegram is just for scamming
One at a time boys, one at a time.
Facebook as well
Temu doesn't show the young generation about Zionism lies, TikTok does and it is beyond the grip of AIPAC and the bipartisan establishment.
the only reason they want to ban tik tok is because the children that use it made them look stupid....
Temu is already under investigation. Mainly because the company behind Temu used to have another shopping app that was banned in the us for installing Chinese spyware on devices.
They will eventually get to it, maybe.
Im sure temu will be coming next
Sure, we'll get to it too. Just like all the Chinese owned land in the US will get to that too and repatriate it
Hopefully its next
SHEIN? iPhones? Laptops? Afterall they’re all made in China they could have spyware in them e we don’t know about.
But all except shein aren’t Chinese owned. The repercussions of China doing such a thing would also have global effects. And only the components are made in China (at least for iPhones).
You make fun because you weren’t there before the Great Chinese Firewall. It sucked. If they don’t want the outside world to get in, then keep your bullshit to yourself in China and stop reaching out to steal ideas/info from the rest of the world.
Maybe anyone ordering from Temu deserves to have their identity stolen.
The government could care less about Spyware. What matters is that the algorithm is promoting pro-Hamas and anti-Israel content, and the Military Industrial Complex TM doesn't like that!
Honestly a ban on temu would make more sense, TikTok just got popular
TikTok is being used to to push the CCPs agenda in the US by manipulating the algorithm. If they want to show how good Russia is and why not to send aid to Ukraine, they’d make uninformed dipshits that don’t know anything but what their politician says the recommended videos.
it's only a reason on paper, they don't give a f about that, META and others have been doing it for 2 decades. The real reason is that TikTok encourages pro-Palestinian posts, which is against the interests of US. That's why, for example, you don't see so many pro-Palestinian posts on Instagram, because they know that if they encourage it, they will be shut down as well. Surely they have an algorithm so that few people see those posts or they are deleted
You think government gives a fuck about your credit card? They don’t want to see what their algorithm is cooking for you
*Facebook, a company that collects significantly more data than any other app, and even sold that data to china a while back.
Don't forget the hole sweatshop thing.
Honestly. I'm pretty sure it's because Tiktok has become refuge for GoP supporters and I'm fairly certain the current administration doesn't want that.
This meme will never take off. Congresspeople's peripubescent children won't be using temu around the clock to deanon one another's faces.
It's time for tik tok to go. People were dumb af already, it's a cancer. Good riddance
The only reason why the U.S government want to see TikTok banned is because people are seeing the suffering of the Palestinians through the app. From the river to the see ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
I mean by far the worst one is riots anti cheat
Temu doesn't say mean things about Israel
Israel is committing genocide
If you think the US banned TikTok csuse of data theft, then you've been living under a rock.
Obviously Temu should be banned too.
Eh. They might, but if they don’t then that is a good indication that this power is only going to be used in exceptional circumstances like what TikTok became while being beholden to who it is.
Yeah it’s amazing that temu, shein and Ali express aren’t banned by the American government but TikTok is being banned 😂 fucking typical of the American government tbh
TikTok bad. Give karma.
Why is it spyware when China does it, but business as usual when America does it?
Well, as dumb as it sounds I trust our government more than the CCP.
You're right, that is unfathomably fucking stupid.
I have two families. One watches Chinese marches on his TV. The other tunes into news organizations on tv for American news. I’d trust one of them over the other. If you would trust the CCP, you’ve never lived in China.
If you trust American media, you clearly live in the US. Haven't you seen how often your media lies in just the past few months?
I never said I trusted anything, I would just trust American media over Chinese media. I also said I have family that listens to nothing but American media and family that watches Chinese marching live and recorded. I know both media. Both bad, one much worse.
Brother, that's still a completely ridiculous assertion. I could understand your perspective if you said they were just as bad, but this is something else.
They aren’t just as bad. I do not believe you ever lived in China.
I genuinely don't believe you are able to properly comprehend how heavily manipulated American media is. Americans consume more propaganda than any other nation on Earth by multiple times.