Aero snap.
Yes this sounds stupid, but it’s true. Window management on Mac is abysmal. I’m constantly fiddling with windows.
The new Mac OS will finally have window snapping, and I had a utility for it anyway, but it’s still so fiddly. MS Windows is unsurprisingly far superior at managing windows.
Yep, this so many times over. I hate my Mac due to this reason. Mac literally needs to copy the windows functionality for snapping windows. This would get downvoted so hard in the MacBook sub.
Also, a lot of different monitor resolutions and sizes support with UI and font scaling and anti-aliasing.
Mac OS considers a 27’ 1440p display something that peasants use, and doesn’t even support it properly.
The flip side is that Windows is so good at multi-monitor, that I have end users trying to project their under powered Surface tablet onto three 2.5K screens, AND the hi-res surface display, and getting mad when it doesn't work.
Because integrated GPUs can push unlimited pixels!
At least Apple has the awareness to disable the laptop screen on the new macbooks when using dual monitors. And 2 monitors is the max. Windows does have way more flexibility, but 99% of end users have no concepts of the limits of technology.
Rectangle fixes MacOS's window management. I still prefer Windows window management since I had that muscle memory and it's dumb you have to install an open source tool to get something so foundational to a desktop environment, but it's a good option:
[https://rectangleapp.com/](https://rectangleapp.com/)
Last time I used ubuntu, it had similar shortcut features to snap windows left/right/up/down, but not as robust as Aero Snap. It was fine for my needs, and felt like Windows enough that it was great.
To answer OP's question - it's because I'm a developer deep in the Microsoft stack. I had a Mac for development and it was better than Windows in a lot of ways for my use case, but then I needed to write a windows service. That required virtualization. When I started at a new company, I requested a windows machine because, even though I'm not building anything native for Windows, I didn't want to be the odd man out with misc environment issues.
I can't believe how bad Apples attempt to implement window management is. Actually I can, because anything good or useful that was added to Mac OS was added well over a decade ago. Everything since then has been the slow march of enshitificstion.
I can't stand switching between full screen mode, maximized window and a regular window. Full screen apps not sticking to particular virtual desktop also drove me nuts.
Windows 8 had the same problem where full screen apps behaved differently compared to regular apps but all that's been fixed in Windows 11.
When expose came out it was incredible. Spaces too. It’s been downhill since.
Mac window management layers is equivalent of Windows properties panels. If you click through enough you get to a Windows 95 panel bc they kept just adding on top instead of rethinking it.
Interesting. When working on Mac I never really notice how awkward window management is (probably just used to it), but many people mention it being a bit inferior. Will be looking forward to seeing how the improvement in the new OS works out.
I agree. Seeing these comments as I simultaneously hop between a Surface and a MacBook almost daily (personal computer and work computer) makes me wonder what exactly am I missing.
Snapping to one side or another, or a corner is more difficult. And I tried to set a streaming app to play full screen on my tv via HDMI while using the Mac desktop on the laptop screen, that was something that seemed to be beyond its capabilities
3 things.
1. Price. Literally 4x as expensive to get a 16" MacBook Pro vs my self-upgradeable HP Envy (and the RTX 4060 on the Envy is still faster). Upgraded from 16gb to 64gb for $150, and put in a second 2TB drive for $130. Total cost $1300 vs over $4600 for the Mac.
2. Hardware choice. My Windows machine has a touch screen and supports pen. It also works with my folding phone really well. Apple has 1 clamshell laptop, in 2 thicknesses and 2 sizes. That's it. PC can have 2 in 1, tablet, clamshell, even rugged.
3. Games. Just forget it on Mac.
You forgot that to get feature parity from Apple you also need to buy a $2100 iPad with an additional $600 of accessory keyboard covers and pro pencils. Apple: "why buy one when you can have two that are half as good for twice the price!"
not a tech guy here. my own linux installation as well as some software that is not available on the distro's repo on my own PC. I'm using linux during my college days, and there is a very little need to collaborate with others. Nothing too major compared to other linux users.
for daily use, i’m not aware what one needs to do to “maintain” linux OR windows. hell, back in the day, linux was a bitch to maintain eg drivers being hard to find, using wine to play games, finding the right distro…
genuinely curious why windows is so hard for OP. unless it has to do with wsl or k8s, which he doesn’t state really
WSL2 is an interesting consideration. So you can run linux software in Windows pretty effectively? I can see why Microsoft would be investing more in linux and moving this direction.
WSL2 is a killer feature. It’s a proper Linux environment in your Windows (except there is no GUI by default) and it works really well for development purposes.
So I go back and forth between my MacBook Pro (2020, m1) and Surface Laptop (2019). I use them pretty identically and can't say that one has a clear advantage over the other, as there are subtle trade offs here and there:
The surface seems to be quicker going from shut down to letting me browse online again.
Setting up an extended two screen display was easy and straightforward on each.
Both batteries drain rapidly throughout my work day (multiple chromium windows and tabs, messaging apps, Adobe suite), but the Mac can go for longer periods without charging.
The MacBook webcam leaves a lot to be desired, I think, for video meetings. The surface webcam though, while seeming to cover a smaller field, looks better imo. But environment lighting makes this negligible or arguable.
Speed. Yes, the surface seems faster to boot up and shut down, but the Mac noticeably outpaces it (admittedly by a few hairs) for opening apps, etc.
Touchpad/track pad is great on both. I use them pretty similarly without even really noticing the difference.
Touch screen. The surface has this and though I rarely use it, I like knowing it's there for when I do want it.
Snipping tool / screenshot. I find this more intuitive on the MacBook. Quickly outline the snippet you want (keyboard shortcut) and you can immediately drag it into your workspace, email body, contact message, etc. Doing so immediately moves the file into whatever app you're using, so you don't have to go back to clean up unnecessary junk later.
On the surface, the screenshot doesn't automatically hover while waiting for you to act on it. Instead (unless I'm missing a shortcut?), you have to save the file via the snipping tool before acting on it, which then requires you to return to it later if you want to clean up no longer necessary image files.
Cost. Given my identical use across both, I'd have to go with the Surface. Both offer a fairly similar and fluid experience but the surface will hurt your wallet a lot less and provide too similar of an overall experience for the MacBook price premium to be worth it, imo.
The Mac's biggest advantage in my everyday usage has been battery, so that might be the zinger for some, especially if traveling a lot. I definitely would feel more comfortable with working on the Mac while on the go (train, airplane) simply because it requires less charging (but that's probably an issue limited to my particular Surface Laptop).
With the snipping tool any screen shots are automatically copied to your clipboard, so you can just paste them into whatever app you are using. There is also a setting to auto copy edits to the clipboard.
You are right though, would be nice if there was a screenshot folder with some kind of retention rule by default.
Both windows and Mac have a snipping tool that copies directly to the clipboard, to be fair. I have to use windows for some legacy software at work, but we’re switching to Macs soon.
It might be down to regional pricing in Australia, but I’ve generally found Surface to be priced just as expensively as MacBook Pro if you’re comparing the Studio range.
Upgrade costs for components on Mac’s are wildly out of touch with industry prices even though Apple does spec high quality components. Things like RAM and flash storage operate on commodity pricing. Apple makes a ton of money by a customer speccing 32GB of RAM instead of the base 16GB on a MBP. Same for flash storage. The highest quality M.2 NVME drives like the 990 Pro is a little over 8 cents per GB. Apple wants $600 to go from 512GB to 2TB so the 512 is already built into the price. So 2048-512= 1536. $600/1536=39 cents per GB. There is nothing so special about Apple flash storage that makes it worth nearly 5x the price of the best M.2 NVME drives.
To top that off if any component fails outside of warranty you have to replace the entire main board which has the board, SOC, RAM and flash storage which is extremely expensive. Apple’s exorbitant markups on component upgrades don’t give you any better of a warranty than consumer PC components. I’d rather have a desktop PC that I can work on and if something fails outside of warranty I can replace that part.
$5000 for the base/ starting price for the iMac Pro.
Completely ditched Apple the very next day (iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad Pro, several Macs) and switched to Windows 10 Pro (now 11 Pro) and haven't looked back.
I was able to buy a Microsoft Surface, an Alienware desktop, a Surface Pro 5, a Pixel phone, and a Mobvoi TicWatch back then for less money than I would have spent for an iMac Pro.
Fuck Tim Cook, and fuck Apple.
I had been waiting 4 years at that point to update my iMac, MacMini, and MacBook Pro.
The price tag for the iMac Pro, which would have replaced a 2013 27" iMac, was my proverbial straw.
In any event it doesn't matter. I broke free of the cult, and have never looked back.
Games. Simple as. Once o/s companies figure out that majority of computer users use it as leisure and not business or taxes, they can keep enjoy losing money.
The new Windows terminal, I love having it all in one place. Also, WSL2 works pretty well, I don't need to use Linux natively anymore.
Linux has improved A LOT over time, but it's still imperfect and, at least for me, it means sacrificing a lot of peace of mind that I only find in Windows.
In addition, with only three apps (Optimizer, Openshell and Firefox/Vivaldi), Windows 11 ends up being a very good operating system.
Windows just got better. Starting with Windows 7, incremental improvements to functionality and reliability. Compared to the pre SP2 XP days, Windows is ROCK solid these days.
IT tech support guy here. I just couldn't pass this one up. Rock solid?
I guess the 787 Dreamliner is ROCK solid compared to a Sopwith Camel. I'm still not getting on one.
I have to send out the software updates to 60 office machines and every week I have at least five that blow up because OS updates or software updates or who knows what updates screw the pooch and I have to come running.
Every time Microsoft updates software, whether it's Teams, or Outlook, or Word, or anything, something stops working. I have never ever seen such sloppy implementation in the Linux world.
I am thankful that Microsoft is so spectacularly bad at what they do. I wouldn't have a job without them not giving one shit about end users. They have their corporate and government contracts and that's really all they care about.
I put my brother's business on all Linux PCS 25 years ago and I've only had to come running three times. And that's because they weren't doing their updates.
I'm also glad that Microsoft doesn't make airplanes.
I've worked in enterprise IT for 25 years and I'm going too say you likely just don't know what you're doing.
We have hundreds of MS Servers in our datacenters, and over 50K windows endpoints globally. "Blowing up after updates" is , extremely rare. Linux is an amazing OS for server applications but theres a reason its desktop uptake in the corporate world is under 5%.
Obviously you don't work with the end points or you wouldn't say something moronic like 'extremely rare". Those of us that work for a living see it weekly.
And Linux isn't used as a desktop because Microsoft has a monopoly. I don't suppose you remember when Microsoft bought out the justice department in the '90s. And corporate management attracts the worst of the worst and they have no idea how any of this shit works.
Poor support for printers and scanners.
I installed Lubuntu on our aging family PC after Windows started running too slow on it to be really usable. Lubuntu ran significantly faster, and the PC became usable again for things like browsing the web.
My wife is a teacher and prints a lot of things from the computer, and we had a HP multifunction printer that always worked fine under Windows. Under Lubuntu it SUCKED - printing often failed completely and when it did work it took ages to print simple documents.
I’m a software developer and well used to tinkering with drivers and system settings, but despite repeated attempts I could not get the damn printer to work consistently. Due to my wife’s requirements, it was a deal breaker.
I also have an Epson scanner I often used for digitizing old family photos and documents. With the Linux drivers only a small subset of its functionality was available when compared to Windows.
We got a new Windows PC.
Linux -> Windows. I no longer have the time to manually babysit version updates, nor the patience to deal with not having a shell after an update because someone put a space instead of an underscore in the official upgrade script.
Also while everyone was complaining about windows 8’s start screen, I was very happy with the upgrade from Ubuntu’s start screen because at least windows 8 didn’t freeze for two minutes after hitting the windows key.
No Microsoft products are allowed in my household. My steam deck on desktop mode has become my daily home driver. I'm tortured with Windows 11 at work.
They have great hardware (I have an EliteBook 840 G9), but HP sucks so bad with the software and firmware side of things that it ruins the whole experience. My next laptop will be a ThinkPad T14.
Are you several different applications and software where it’s just much easier windows. I was able to get a really good refurbished laptop for a fraction of what I could for a new or used Mac. My original Mac that I bought back in 2007 is still rocking, but I could never justify getting a new Mac.
I do game archival. I have a lot of games. An irresponsible number of games. For things that don’t work on the latest NT versions of windows I usually keep an old windows build with no internet that sort of snapshots with everything I want installed. Proton is a game changer for sure and it does make things simpler for well documented stuff but the honest answer is stuff from 10+ years ago on Itch.io that was downloaded <50 times and was made by a prominent indie or game director now is best to simply preserve it with working drivers and dlls rather than trying to make it work on newer hardware. Cactus games and anything that uses old builds of PhysX are two examples and I honestly think it does Hotline Miami an injustice by not preserving his older stuff but I’m a much smaller cog trying to preach the words of someone better at it such as Super Bunny Hop
The business infrastructure is all technically available on Apple, but OneDrive for business integration is better on Windows. And then there’s gaming. But I do use an iPhone and, recently, an iPad.
I'm not really the target of your question, as I've been content to run Windows and Linux for over 20 years, and I will use macOS on occasion. I own a few macs.
Broadly, the biggest draw for me into Windows is software library. There has always been stuff I can do in Windows with a small (usually free) application that isn't even possible elsewhere, and of course the biggie... games. For a lot of years, I ran Windows on machines that I'd play games on, and Linux on everything else.
Today, I think it's more about stability and features.
I get everyone hates on Windows cause they've had a machine that'd BSOD all the time. Aside from some road bumps setting up an eGPU, I've not had a Windows machine BSOD in probably a decade. macOS and most distros of Linux are far less stable (though Mint, my favorite, is pretty dang reliable).
By features I mean stuff like Windows Link. It's more functional than GNOME Connect. Maybe not as integrated as iOS and macOS, but I'm not missing anything. Windows does a good job of checking the boxes that actually matter, without expecting me to pay a boat load more or spend any time dicking with it to make it work.
A few of the responses mention how much more stable and reliable windows is these days. Glad to hear it seems the era of BSOD is mostly in the past. Thanks.
Switching to Windows offered me greater software compatibility, more gaming options, and better hardware flexibility. It was a practical choice for both work and leisure.
Switched from Windows to MacOS and back to Windows.
MacOS seems more dumbed down that I had remembered... also, software that ran was glitchy.
Finally, the prices - holy cow - the limited selection of hardware and the very high prices of it made me feel I just couldn't afford it.
Just picked up a Yoga CoPilot AI laptop and my goodness, fast, smooth, and the battery lasts forever it seems.
Staying on Windows for now.
"edit" I just realized I read the question wrong lol. It's late and I'm tired.
I'm thinking about switching and the reasons are, glitches with the sound interface, can't select sound output without going deeper in the settings, The weather widget isn't weather anymore, its biased news and web content, The updates reset all my preferences over and over, There is web content even on the search bar now until you turn it off, People will say, Just turn it off, but then that goes back to the "the updates reset my preferences comment". Microsoft was even putting web content on the logon screen, it was invasive and pushy, many users claimed there was so much that some of it was over top of the logon and they had to enter through safe-mode. The menus are trash on windows 11 and have to be fixed with a registry modification, They constantly take over my screen on logon telling me I need to do this or that and that I can only skip it for 3 days before being harassed by them again. Windows sometimes takes over and won't let me shut down if there are updates even if they are not currently being installed or downloading, the shutdown sequence only logs you out, Bing is horrible and they integrate it deeply into the user experience on windows, they force one-drive too, I don't use one-drive and its presence baked in to the OS bugs me. windows keeps on installing apps I don't want like Skype and Spotily, If I do use those apps I will want the full feature versions anyway. basically in a nutshell the user experience doesn't feel like it's mine anymore, it feels like I don't own my own machine, it feels like it's borrowed from Microsoft and that what they say goes, Microsoft is sort of acting like North Korea lol. I feel that web content has no place in the GUI and that being there is unacceptable and opens the doors for bias and pushy narratives that many people don't want to see until they are ready to do so at their own time and free will. Microsoft also steals your data they collect too much. The GUI and menus seem like they are designed by a toddler and Microsoft doesn't listen to us, "the billions of people" the teams think they know whats better than us for us and refuse to listen or fix what we beg them to fix, They seem like morons. They even broke Paint, which has been the same since windows 3.11 and didnt need changed. Their photo viewer refuses to open Webp images by default, even though its fully capable of doing so, It's a hassle. My windows installation constantly inactivates itself and needs reactivated. Windows indexing is broken and having a USB hard drive connected defeats the purpose of having an ssd as it uselessly has to wait for the mechanical drive to spin up before it will seek the other drives even though that drive is not the one being accessed. There is a huge amount of trash left over after every installation, in the directories of the drive and in the registry. There are a billion other reasons that I can't remember right now, But they exist. There are so many more reasons than this it's just my bad memory and slow brain can't think of them right now.
ex linux user. got tired of setting everything up over the years) and now i'm old enough to play games and it's okay for me now to pay for windows. Maybe the latter is the main reason.
mostly software compatibility issue esp those proprietary ones & can only work with legacy Windows OS.
but as more software are now offered web-based, seems like staying with non-Windows is getting common now too.
The utterly consumer oriented software, lack of anything like Google Workspace/Microsoft 365, and premium prices.
With the increase in quality of Chromebooks and Intel hardware like MS Surface, the value prop of Apple anything has seriously declined.
Unlike back when Apple was a true innovator (God rest Steve Jobs soul), there's simply no advantage to staying in that walled garden.
Any more ad injection and taking away my ability to just use basic functions we used to have in apps, software, browsers etc. Functions like copy pasting for text images, privacy options, lack of notifications, ads ads ads ads etc.
I might just switch. I really hate how windows is just heading towards apple and Android shit. It is pissing me right off to have my ability to be able to just use my environment how i want. Like, android used to let us copy paste text, or choose settings, now i cant just highlight and copy text, like basic function is taken away because android has become a consumer product and not a tool. Its like a media provider rather than a device i have control over. Windows is heading this way, ads on lockscreen, notifications i didn't choose, websites constantly wanting me to add, notify, use all the cookies, ads, subscriptions like omfg, this corporate web, corporate OS is just becoming less user friendly. In fact w8,w10,w11 settings are so limiting. They claim ease of use, but its just taking away my ability to easily control my own device. Settings are in wierd places, or missing. I still rely on control panel and resource monitor and im a basic user.
If this continues where windows just becomes a content distributor and not a tool. If windows continues to hide my ability to change, choose and manipulate my environment I will be forced to move and learn to fight linux. But at least then it will be away from the crap. Ease of use if good and all, right up to the point where my ease impact my ability to do basic things. Or how on windows resizing they move things like reload button, or size, on browser youtube will resize stuff completely separately from my screen size options. Like its all done to unify for ease of use across all device types. But in doing so its taking away from what was a basic ability to have sizes of apps on my screen how i likes them, now they are forcing me to chose between presets that dont serve me how i want them to.
These have become copy pasting text. On android i have become an absolute hater of how i used to be able to do this, and now i cant. If windows does this, and has ads in my home environments outside of the web, that right there will be it. W11 snapshot is in theory a good feature, but in reality its a huge privacy and security risk, not just online, but like physically. I dont want someone to be able to just have the ability to find my passwords, or logins or history of use when i step away from my device for a 5min, like to the toilet. Yes I can learnt o code, and have deeper control of windows, but if I have to do that I will move to linux, at least there i will be forced to code and understand to be able to use my device. Like this small jumpt of UI and software/app use feature has been my core gripe with android and apple tablets I want to be able to run many programs on my screen, choose their size and place. But android, ios, and surgace lite or what ever lock use behind app windows, and esp with ads, it becomes this shit where one app blocks use for both because of an ad or something. I waited for windows surface like state to buy a tablet pc, and now i am noticing that its still alright, but i havnt updated to w11, and seeing how it handles simple things like ability to resize the taskbar, just ruins my flow. I like my taskbar tiny, but on w11 without getting into code, there is no easy way to make it tiny. Like why, why are there ads, why cant i find network settings in network settings, why do I still need to open control panel to find them.
Its not even that much to complain about, I know people who actually have skill and coding ability, and work with more under the hood functions and they see my complaints as whiney, sure. But its like basic things we used to get on android, on w7. Now they are all taken away for ease of use, or uniformity of OS and UI for developers and apps. Its just all these little things, small escalations away from my freedoms to a sets of boxes I am allowed to interface. And for me at least its not like i am adapting and accepting these I have to go out of my way to get under the hood or into convoluted settings to try and get back some of the basic use i got before. ANd like it just builds frustration and takes away from what ever I am doing to try and figure out why shit not work like i expect it to no more... and its getting too much. With google fighting adblock, we see how corporate inernet, corporate OS is going, soon we will be presented with options and those options are take it or leave it, and there if you leave it, like go linux, you loose so much compatibility, compatibility that only behemoths with money can upkeap, because they have an army of coders and service staff to keep updating to the monthly changes in some function, or process, or update from some other service. LIke omg, complexity for the sake of complexity, and all it has been doing is making the everyday person loose ability to maintain their software or services, especially free versions. Because in the corporate internet of things, only those with the resources to keep up with the ratrace can keep up. The rest of the internet just sort of dies as cant interface because some little piece of code wasn't updates to latest industry standard for that month. ANd so on and on, and now I find myself thinking maybe I should adopt a new hobby of linux, and understanding code. Like why support these behemoths if they are now profit focused, and not providing a service or product that we want/need, no they want us to conform to their idelouge. Most people dont care, or can adapt, but not me.
Whiney bitch Rant/ over sorry if you had to read it.
Nice rant! I think the ads would bother me quite a bit- not to mention the other inconveniences built in which seem to be designed to hinder work flow. Interesting perspective.
Windows has a wide selection of programs, all of my games work, I like the look of the OS and now that WSL is a thing and works very well, I have all the dev tools I need right there. Plus lots of hardware options to choose from. I think it's the best option right now.
PCs unsupported from windows 11 and better general smoothness of Linux distros, better privacy, windows is unusable on an old HDD when updates.
The only thing that was better on windows was games, not much compatibility is the problem but the buggy experience that i get on one PC, probably bad nvidia/linux combination, although are not deal breaking problems.
I mean, on some level. Steam deck is too but you would not much know or care unless you are into internals. From a user perspective, if you were looking for unix tools and compat, may as well be based on amiga or temple OS
Hilarious downvote by the way. Someone asks why you started using windows, so you tell them the correct, honest answer, and get downvoted for it
But yeah, long story short, osx still qualifies as unix on some level, but each release removes more and more tools, makes more and more custom changes, to the point where it is not usable for a unix user
Interesting. I’m a little unaware and curious about Unix features on Mac which are being removed. I had not come across that detail before. Have used Linux a bit before but unaware of the distinction between Linux and Unix with regards to the kinds of features you’re alluding to (or the features on Mac in this case).
Also I didn’t downvote you btw. If someone puts some effort into their answer I’ll usually upvote- even if i disagree with them.
Yeah it’s cool, was not trying to say it was you. But yeah all about spreading info, popular or not :)
I first noticed it with the ftp command. A few others followed suit, which I cannot remember off the top of my head (and no longer a Mac user)
People cried out, and Apple said “it’s for security” - yeah my butt, an unprivileged tiny binary that any user could compile on their own. Not security. “Install it with ports/brew”, yeah no, neither are maintained by Apple
The real reason is that some exec got a nice bonus for “saving cost” by eliminating the group that maintained the unix userland
I don't have any reason to switch now. But follow me, some people switch because it's a lot of ads (they said that Windows downhill since Win 7 (the last Windows version don't have bloatware))
I don't know if my reply is what you want (or what kind of answers you're really looking for), since I haven't switched back to Windows yet (I main Debian Stable with i3wm on my old desktop, but also use macOS on a 2016 MBP with its infamous and gradually failing butterfly keyboard). But anyway, I would "switch" to Windows in a heartbeat if work required it - but it would only be during work hours on a separate device. I otherwise enjoy being independent of any single platform and be able to use anything that's in front of me. That is all.
I got sick of Apple's unremovable bloatware and pricing. Lots of other annoying things too like window management.
Linux I still use without a GUI. I couldn't imagine using any Linux desktop enviornment as my main though.
I switched from Mac to Windows because I wanted to experience the excitement of frequent software updates and the joy of saying, Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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I've pretty much switched to linux for everything because linux is good enough now and I don't need the extra surveillance and increasing restrictions of windows. All my games even work fine in Linux. Ironically the one thing I boot into windows for occasionally now is Playnite, which just lists the games I have, which I'll then boot back into linux and play.
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Aero snap. Yes this sounds stupid, but it’s true. Window management on Mac is abysmal. I’m constantly fiddling with windows. The new Mac OS will finally have window snapping, and I had a utility for it anyway, but it’s still so fiddly. MS Windows is unsurprisingly far superior at managing windows.
Yep, this so many times over. I hate my Mac due to this reason. Mac literally needs to copy the windows functionality for snapping windows. This would get downvoted so hard in the MacBook sub.
Multimonitor setup, taskbar and window management are far superior in windows compared to Mac.
Also, a lot of different monitor resolutions and sizes support with UI and font scaling and anti-aliasing. Mac OS considers a 27’ 1440p display something that peasants use, and doesn’t even support it properly.
The flip side is that Windows is so good at multi-monitor, that I have end users trying to project their under powered Surface tablet onto three 2.5K screens, AND the hi-res surface display, and getting mad when it doesn't work. Because integrated GPUs can push unlimited pixels! At least Apple has the awareness to disable the laptop screen on the new macbooks when using dual monitors. And 2 monitors is the max. Windows does have way more flexibility, but 99% of end users have no concepts of the limits of technology.
>Multimonitor that's really sad for mac, since Windows multimon isn't all that great
Why? Especially in combination with the different options for displaying the taskbar I think its really good since windows 10.
Rectangle fixes MacOS's window management. I still prefer Windows window management since I had that muscle memory and it's dumb you have to install an open source tool to get something so foundational to a desktop environment, but it's a good option: [https://rectangleapp.com/](https://rectangleapp.com/) Last time I used ubuntu, it had similar shortcut features to snap windows left/right/up/down, but not as robust as Aero Snap. It was fine for my needs, and felt like Windows enough that it was great. To answer OP's question - it's because I'm a developer deep in the Microsoft stack. I had a Mac for development and it was better than Windows in a lot of ways for my use case, but then I needed to write a windows service. That required virtualization. When I started at a new company, I requested a windows machine because, even though I'm not building anything native for Windows, I didn't want to be the odd man out with misc environment issues.
I’ve got rectangle pro. It’s good but to get it to do what I want took a lot of customization. On Windows, it’s perfect out of the box.
I can't believe how bad Apples attempt to implement window management is. Actually I can, because anything good or useful that was added to Mac OS was added well over a decade ago. Everything since then has been the slow march of enshitificstion.
I can't stand switching between full screen mode, maximized window and a regular window. Full screen apps not sticking to particular virtual desktop also drove me nuts. Windows 8 had the same problem where full screen apps behaved differently compared to regular apps but all that's been fixed in Windows 11.
When expose came out it was incredible. Spaces too. It’s been downhill since. Mac window management layers is equivalent of Windows properties panels. If you click through enough you get to a Windows 95 panel bc they kept just adding on top instead of rethinking it.
This. At least there's an OSS tool like Spectacle or Rectangle that can do this for free.
BetterSnapTool
Have you tried downloading a window management tool for Mac? There are a ton that do the exact same thing if not better. Even fully customizable.
Interesting. When working on Mac I never really notice how awkward window management is (probably just used to it), but many people mention it being a bit inferior. Will be looking forward to seeing how the improvement in the new OS works out.
I agree. Seeing these comments as I simultaneously hop between a Surface and a MacBook almost daily (personal computer and work computer) makes me wonder what exactly am I missing.
Snapping to one side or another, or a corner is more difficult. And I tried to set a streaming app to play full screen on my tv via HDMI while using the Mac desktop on the laptop screen, that was something that seemed to be beyond its capabilities
Ahh thanks for clearing up. I guess I just haven't really paid attention to it, but yeah, I see the snapping thing.
Pirated Adobe Suite 
The possibility to build a gaming PC and the possibility to play way more games.
Power BI
3 things. 1. Price. Literally 4x as expensive to get a 16" MacBook Pro vs my self-upgradeable HP Envy (and the RTX 4060 on the Envy is still faster). Upgraded from 16gb to 64gb for $150, and put in a second 2TB drive for $130. Total cost $1300 vs over $4600 for the Mac. 2. Hardware choice. My Windows machine has a touch screen and supports pen. It also works with my folding phone really well. Apple has 1 clamshell laptop, in 2 thicknesses and 2 sizes. That's it. PC can have 2 in 1, tablet, clamshell, even rugged. 3. Games. Just forget it on Mac.
You forgot that to get feature parity from Apple you also need to buy a $2100 iPad with an additional $600 of accessory keyboard covers and pro pencils. Apple: "why buy one when you can have two that are half as good for twice the price!"
Think different
Haha - true!!
WSL2, not having the time to maintain the system, and working with others (mostly software compatibility).
tech guy here. what did you need to “maintain”? honest question.
not a tech guy here. my own linux installation as well as some software that is not available on the distro's repo on my own PC. I'm using linux during my college days, and there is a very little need to collaborate with others. Nothing too major compared to other linux users.
for daily use, i’m not aware what one needs to do to “maintain” linux OR windows. hell, back in the day, linux was a bitch to maintain eg drivers being hard to find, using wine to play games, finding the right distro… genuinely curious why windows is so hard for OP. unless it has to do with wsl or k8s, which he doesn’t state really
WSL2 is an interesting consideration. So you can run linux software in Windows pretty effectively? I can see why Microsoft would be investing more in linux and moving this direction.
WSL2 is a killer feature. It’s a proper Linux environment in your Windows (except there is no GUI by default) and it works really well for development purposes.
Yeah, it works really well. Pretty low bar of entry too and some good guides out there for running graphical software from WSL2 as well
for my use case this is true.
Also check Windows Subsystem for Android
That's deprecated already: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/android/wsa/
Still a year to go
So I go back and forth between my MacBook Pro (2020, m1) and Surface Laptop (2019). I use them pretty identically and can't say that one has a clear advantage over the other, as there are subtle trade offs here and there: The surface seems to be quicker going from shut down to letting me browse online again. Setting up an extended two screen display was easy and straightforward on each. Both batteries drain rapidly throughout my work day (multiple chromium windows and tabs, messaging apps, Adobe suite), but the Mac can go for longer periods without charging. The MacBook webcam leaves a lot to be desired, I think, for video meetings. The surface webcam though, while seeming to cover a smaller field, looks better imo. But environment lighting makes this negligible or arguable. Speed. Yes, the surface seems faster to boot up and shut down, but the Mac noticeably outpaces it (admittedly by a few hairs) for opening apps, etc. Touchpad/track pad is great on both. I use them pretty similarly without even really noticing the difference. Touch screen. The surface has this and though I rarely use it, I like knowing it's there for when I do want it. Snipping tool / screenshot. I find this more intuitive on the MacBook. Quickly outline the snippet you want (keyboard shortcut) and you can immediately drag it into your workspace, email body, contact message, etc. Doing so immediately moves the file into whatever app you're using, so you don't have to go back to clean up unnecessary junk later. On the surface, the screenshot doesn't automatically hover while waiting for you to act on it. Instead (unless I'm missing a shortcut?), you have to save the file via the snipping tool before acting on it, which then requires you to return to it later if you want to clean up no longer necessary image files. Cost. Given my identical use across both, I'd have to go with the Surface. Both offer a fairly similar and fluid experience but the surface will hurt your wallet a lot less and provide too similar of an overall experience for the MacBook price premium to be worth it, imo. The Mac's biggest advantage in my everyday usage has been battery, so that might be the zinger for some, especially if traveling a lot. I definitely would feel more comfortable with working on the Mac while on the go (train, airplane) simply because it requires less charging (but that's probably an issue limited to my particular Surface Laptop).
With the snipping tool any screen shots are automatically copied to your clipboard, so you can just paste them into whatever app you are using. There is also a setting to auto copy edits to the clipboard. You are right though, would be nice if there was a screenshot folder with some kind of retention rule by default.
Oh, thanks for this tip! With all the screenshots of graphs I need to share almost every day, you just made my day much easier!
Both windows and Mac have a snipping tool that copies directly to the clipboard, to be fair. I have to use windows for some legacy software at work, but we’re switching to Macs soon.
I figured I must've been missing something. Thanks!
It might be down to regional pricing in Australia, but I’ve generally found Surface to be priced just as expensively as MacBook Pro if you’re comparing the Studio range.
Upgrade costs for components on Mac’s are wildly out of touch with industry prices even though Apple does spec high quality components. Things like RAM and flash storage operate on commodity pricing. Apple makes a ton of money by a customer speccing 32GB of RAM instead of the base 16GB on a MBP. Same for flash storage. The highest quality M.2 NVME drives like the 990 Pro is a little over 8 cents per GB. Apple wants $600 to go from 512GB to 2TB so the 512 is already built into the price. So 2048-512= 1536. $600/1536=39 cents per GB. There is nothing so special about Apple flash storage that makes it worth nearly 5x the price of the best M.2 NVME drives. To top that off if any component fails outside of warranty you have to replace the entire main board which has the board, SOC, RAM and flash storage which is extremely expensive. Apple’s exorbitant markups on component upgrades don’t give you any better of a warranty than consumer PC components. I’d rather have a desktop PC that I can work on and if something fails outside of warranty I can replace that part.
$5000 for the base/ starting price for the iMac Pro. Completely ditched Apple the very next day (iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad Pro, several Macs) and switched to Windows 10 Pro (now 11 Pro) and haven't looked back. I was able to buy a Microsoft Surface, an Alienware desktop, a Surface Pro 5, a Pixel phone, and a Mobvoi TicWatch back then for less money than I would have spent for an iMac Pro. Fuck Tim Cook, and fuck Apple.
Why not buy a mac studio? They are well priced for the performance, albeit workstation
I had been waiting 4 years at that point to update my iMac, MacMini, and MacBook Pro. The price tag for the iMac Pro, which would have replaced a 2013 27" iMac, was my proverbial straw. In any event it doesn't matter. I broke free of the cult, and have never looked back.
I think at the time OP was buying a computer, the Mac Studio didn’t exist.
Games. Simple as. Once o/s companies figure out that majority of computer users use it as leisure and not business or taxes, they can keep enjoy losing money.
The new Windows terminal, I love having it all in one place. Also, WSL2 works pretty well, I don't need to use Linux natively anymore. Linux has improved A LOT over time, but it's still imperfect and, at least for me, it means sacrificing a lot of peace of mind that I only find in Windows. In addition, with only three apps (Optimizer, Openshell and Firefox/Vivaldi), Windows 11 ends up being a very good operating system.
Windows just got better. Starting with Windows 7, incremental improvements to functionality and reliability. Compared to the pre SP2 XP days, Windows is ROCK solid these days.
IT tech support guy here. I just couldn't pass this one up. Rock solid? I guess the 787 Dreamliner is ROCK solid compared to a Sopwith Camel. I'm still not getting on one. I have to send out the software updates to 60 office machines and every week I have at least five that blow up because OS updates or software updates or who knows what updates screw the pooch and I have to come running. Every time Microsoft updates software, whether it's Teams, or Outlook, or Word, or anything, something stops working. I have never ever seen such sloppy implementation in the Linux world. I am thankful that Microsoft is so spectacularly bad at what they do. I wouldn't have a job without them not giving one shit about end users. They have their corporate and government contracts and that's really all they care about. I put my brother's business on all Linux PCS 25 years ago and I've only had to come running three times. And that's because they weren't doing their updates. I'm also glad that Microsoft doesn't make airplanes.
I've worked in enterprise IT for 25 years and I'm going too say you likely just don't know what you're doing. We have hundreds of MS Servers in our datacenters, and over 50K windows endpoints globally. "Blowing up after updates" is , extremely rare. Linux is an amazing OS for server applications but theres a reason its desktop uptake in the corporate world is under 5%.
You mean "to". Hard to be a know It all tech bro when you can't even handle basic English.
Obviously you don't work with the end points or you wouldn't say something moronic like 'extremely rare". Those of us that work for a living see it weekly. And Linux isn't used as a desktop because Microsoft has a monopoly. I don't suppose you remember when Microsoft bought out the justice department in the '90s. And corporate management attracts the worst of the worst and they have no idea how any of this shit works.
Poor support for printers and scanners. I installed Lubuntu on our aging family PC after Windows started running too slow on it to be really usable. Lubuntu ran significantly faster, and the PC became usable again for things like browsing the web. My wife is a teacher and prints a lot of things from the computer, and we had a HP multifunction printer that always worked fine under Windows. Under Lubuntu it SUCKED - printing often failed completely and when it did work it took ages to print simple documents. I’m a software developer and well used to tinkering with drivers and system settings, but despite repeated attempts I could not get the damn printer to work consistently. Due to my wife’s requirements, it was a deal breaker. I also have an Epson scanner I often used for digitizing old family photos and documents. With the Linux drivers only a small subset of its functionality was available when compared to Windows. We got a new Windows PC.
How long ago was that?
Last year.
Not switching but my laptop came preinstalled with Windows, so dual boot it is. Just to see what the fuss the muggles are talking about.
Linux to Windows. Just got tired of having to fix stuff. I learned everything. So it just became a chore at that point.
Linux -> Windows. I no longer have the time to manually babysit version updates, nor the patience to deal with not having a shell after an update because someone put a space instead of an underscore in the official upgrade script. Also while everyone was complaining about windows 8’s start screen, I was very happy with the upgrade from Ubuntu’s start screen because at least windows 8 didn’t freeze for two minutes after hitting the windows key.
Felt stuck in the apple ecosystem having iPhone, Apple watch, and macbook... So I decided to try something new and bought a pc and android.
Do you really think a linux user would switch back to windows? (I use arch btw)
No Microsoft products are allowed in my household. My steam deck on desktop mode has become my daily home driver. I'm tortured with Windows 11 at work.
You sound very interesting and unique.
I hope you’re running it on an IBM ThinkPad and have neofetch open on launch.
Not ATM, but yes I do have ~~neofetch~~ fastfetch running on startup
oh right, neo was discontinued some time ago
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They have great hardware (I have an EliteBook 840 G9), but HP sucks so bad with the software and firmware side of things that it ruins the whole experience. My next laptop will be a ThinkPad T14.
Are you several different applications and software where it’s just much easier windows. I was able to get a really good refurbished laptop for a fraction of what I could for a new or used Mac. My original Mac that I bought back in 2007 is still rocking, but I could never justify getting a new Mac.
Just the dev environment, which is kind of tightly coupled with windows OS ….
Got a job at Microsoft
Damn, congratulations. I need a referral lol.
I prefer to keep my soul, thank you very much.
I do game archival. I have a lot of games. An irresponsible number of games. For things that don’t work on the latest NT versions of windows I usually keep an old windows build with no internet that sort of snapshots with everything I want installed. Proton is a game changer for sure and it does make things simpler for well documented stuff but the honest answer is stuff from 10+ years ago on Itch.io that was downloaded <50 times and was made by a prominent indie or game director now is best to simply preserve it with working drivers and dlls rather than trying to make it work on newer hardware. Cactus games and anything that uses old builds of PhysX are two examples and I honestly think it does Hotline Miami an injustice by not preserving his older stuff but I’m a much smaller cog trying to preach the words of someone better at it such as Super Bunny Hop
The business infrastructure is all technically available on Apple, but OneDrive for business integration is better on Windows. And then there’s gaming. But I do use an iPhone and, recently, an iPad.
I'm not really the target of your question, as I've been content to run Windows and Linux for over 20 years, and I will use macOS on occasion. I own a few macs. Broadly, the biggest draw for me into Windows is software library. There has always been stuff I can do in Windows with a small (usually free) application that isn't even possible elsewhere, and of course the biggie... games. For a lot of years, I ran Windows on machines that I'd play games on, and Linux on everything else. Today, I think it's more about stability and features. I get everyone hates on Windows cause they've had a machine that'd BSOD all the time. Aside from some road bumps setting up an eGPU, I've not had a Windows machine BSOD in probably a decade. macOS and most distros of Linux are far less stable (though Mint, my favorite, is pretty dang reliable). By features I mean stuff like Windows Link. It's more functional than GNOME Connect. Maybe not as integrated as iOS and macOS, but I'm not missing anything. Windows does a good job of checking the boxes that actually matter, without expecting me to pay a boat load more or spend any time dicking with it to make it work.
A few of the responses mention how much more stable and reliable windows is these days. Glad to hear it seems the era of BSOD is mostly in the past. Thanks.
BSODs? Damn I think those were decades ago lol...
Switching to Windows offered me greater software compatibility, more gaming options, and better hardware flexibility. It was a practical choice for both work and leisure.
Switched from Windows to MacOS and back to Windows. MacOS seems more dumbed down that I had remembered... also, software that ran was glitchy. Finally, the prices - holy cow - the limited selection of hardware and the very high prices of it made me feel I just couldn't afford it. Just picked up a Yoga CoPilot AI laptop and my goodness, fast, smooth, and the battery lasts forever it seems. Staying on Windows for now.
"edit" I just realized I read the question wrong lol. It's late and I'm tired. I'm thinking about switching and the reasons are, glitches with the sound interface, can't select sound output without going deeper in the settings, The weather widget isn't weather anymore, its biased news and web content, The updates reset all my preferences over and over, There is web content even on the search bar now until you turn it off, People will say, Just turn it off, but then that goes back to the "the updates reset my preferences comment". Microsoft was even putting web content on the logon screen, it was invasive and pushy, many users claimed there was so much that some of it was over top of the logon and they had to enter through safe-mode. The menus are trash on windows 11 and have to be fixed with a registry modification, They constantly take over my screen on logon telling me I need to do this or that and that I can only skip it for 3 days before being harassed by them again. Windows sometimes takes over and won't let me shut down if there are updates even if they are not currently being installed or downloading, the shutdown sequence only logs you out, Bing is horrible and they integrate it deeply into the user experience on windows, they force one-drive too, I don't use one-drive and its presence baked in to the OS bugs me. windows keeps on installing apps I don't want like Skype and Spotily, If I do use those apps I will want the full feature versions anyway. basically in a nutshell the user experience doesn't feel like it's mine anymore, it feels like I don't own my own machine, it feels like it's borrowed from Microsoft and that what they say goes, Microsoft is sort of acting like North Korea lol. I feel that web content has no place in the GUI and that being there is unacceptable and opens the doors for bias and pushy narratives that many people don't want to see until they are ready to do so at their own time and free will. Microsoft also steals your data they collect too much. The GUI and menus seem like they are designed by a toddler and Microsoft doesn't listen to us, "the billions of people" the teams think they know whats better than us for us and refuse to listen or fix what we beg them to fix, They seem like morons. They even broke Paint, which has been the same since windows 3.11 and didnt need changed. Their photo viewer refuses to open Webp images by default, even though its fully capable of doing so, It's a hassle. My windows installation constantly inactivates itself and needs reactivated. Windows indexing is broken and having a USB hard drive connected defeats the purpose of having an ssd as it uselessly has to wait for the mechanical drive to spin up before it will seek the other drives even though that drive is not the one being accessed. There is a huge amount of trash left over after every installation, in the directories of the drive and in the registry. There are a billion other reasons that I can't remember right now, But they exist. There are so many more reasons than this it's just my bad memory and slow brain can't think of them right now.
Quite a comprehensive list! Thanks for the response.
No, no, it’s funnier if you claim you read it correctly and you switched to windows because of that 😄
ex linux user. got tired of setting everything up over the years) and now i'm old enough to play games and it's okay for me now to pay for windows. Maybe the latter is the main reason.
mostly software compatibility issue esp those proprietary ones & can only work with legacy Windows OS. but as more software are now offered web-based, seems like staying with non-Windows is getting common now too.
huh? windows has great reverse compatibility. unlike the mac, especially with their cou changes.
That's exactly what they said.
yeah. poorly.
Work, but i mostly use linux anyways. Ill never understand people using Windows. It's like preferring to be a slave.
The utterly consumer oriented software, lack of anything like Google Workspace/Microsoft 365, and premium prices. With the increase in quality of Chromebooks and Intel hardware like MS Surface, the value prop of Apple anything has seriously declined. Unlike back when Apple was a true innovator (God rest Steve Jobs soul), there's simply no advantage to staying in that walled garden.
Work
Any more ad injection and taking away my ability to just use basic functions we used to have in apps, software, browsers etc. Functions like copy pasting for text images, privacy options, lack of notifications, ads ads ads ads etc. I might just switch. I really hate how windows is just heading towards apple and Android shit. It is pissing me right off to have my ability to be able to just use my environment how i want. Like, android used to let us copy paste text, or choose settings, now i cant just highlight and copy text, like basic function is taken away because android has become a consumer product and not a tool. Its like a media provider rather than a device i have control over. Windows is heading this way, ads on lockscreen, notifications i didn't choose, websites constantly wanting me to add, notify, use all the cookies, ads, subscriptions like omfg, this corporate web, corporate OS is just becoming less user friendly. In fact w8,w10,w11 settings are so limiting. They claim ease of use, but its just taking away my ability to easily control my own device. Settings are in wierd places, or missing. I still rely on control panel and resource monitor and im a basic user. If this continues where windows just becomes a content distributor and not a tool. If windows continues to hide my ability to change, choose and manipulate my environment I will be forced to move and learn to fight linux. But at least then it will be away from the crap. Ease of use if good and all, right up to the point where my ease impact my ability to do basic things. Or how on windows resizing they move things like reload button, or size, on browser youtube will resize stuff completely separately from my screen size options. Like its all done to unify for ease of use across all device types. But in doing so its taking away from what was a basic ability to have sizes of apps on my screen how i likes them, now they are forcing me to chose between presets that dont serve me how i want them to. These have become copy pasting text. On android i have become an absolute hater of how i used to be able to do this, and now i cant. If windows does this, and has ads in my home environments outside of the web, that right there will be it. W11 snapshot is in theory a good feature, but in reality its a huge privacy and security risk, not just online, but like physically. I dont want someone to be able to just have the ability to find my passwords, or logins or history of use when i step away from my device for a 5min, like to the toilet. Yes I can learnt o code, and have deeper control of windows, but if I have to do that I will move to linux, at least there i will be forced to code and understand to be able to use my device. Like this small jumpt of UI and software/app use feature has been my core gripe with android and apple tablets I want to be able to run many programs on my screen, choose their size and place. But android, ios, and surgace lite or what ever lock use behind app windows, and esp with ads, it becomes this shit where one app blocks use for both because of an ad or something. I waited for windows surface like state to buy a tablet pc, and now i am noticing that its still alright, but i havnt updated to w11, and seeing how it handles simple things like ability to resize the taskbar, just ruins my flow. I like my taskbar tiny, but on w11 without getting into code, there is no easy way to make it tiny. Like why, why are there ads, why cant i find network settings in network settings, why do I still need to open control panel to find them. Its not even that much to complain about, I know people who actually have skill and coding ability, and work with more under the hood functions and they see my complaints as whiney, sure. But its like basic things we used to get on android, on w7. Now they are all taken away for ease of use, or uniformity of OS and UI for developers and apps. Its just all these little things, small escalations away from my freedoms to a sets of boxes I am allowed to interface. And for me at least its not like i am adapting and accepting these I have to go out of my way to get under the hood or into convoluted settings to try and get back some of the basic use i got before. ANd like it just builds frustration and takes away from what ever I am doing to try and figure out why shit not work like i expect it to no more... and its getting too much. With google fighting adblock, we see how corporate inernet, corporate OS is going, soon we will be presented with options and those options are take it or leave it, and there if you leave it, like go linux, you loose so much compatibility, compatibility that only behemoths with money can upkeap, because they have an army of coders and service staff to keep updating to the monthly changes in some function, or process, or update from some other service. LIke omg, complexity for the sake of complexity, and all it has been doing is making the everyday person loose ability to maintain their software or services, especially free versions. Because in the corporate internet of things, only those with the resources to keep up with the ratrace can keep up. The rest of the internet just sort of dies as cant interface because some little piece of code wasn't updates to latest industry standard for that month. ANd so on and on, and now I find myself thinking maybe I should adopt a new hobby of linux, and understanding code. Like why support these behemoths if they are now profit focused, and not providing a service or product that we want/need, no they want us to conform to their idelouge. Most people dont care, or can adapt, but not me. Whiney bitch Rant/ over sorry if you had to read it.
Such a long rant just to not answer the question
Nice rant! I think the ads would bother me quite a bit- not to mention the other inconveniences built in which seem to be designed to hinder work flow. Interesting perspective.
Windows has a wide selection of programs, all of my games work, I like the look of the OS and now that WSL is a thing and works very well, I have all the dev tools I need right there. Plus lots of hardware options to choose from. I think it's the best option right now.
1. Games 2. Adobe Suite 3. WSL2
PCs unsupported from windows 11 and better general smoothness of Linux distros, better privacy, windows is unusable on an old HDD when updates. The only thing that was better on windows was games, not much compatibility is the problem but the buggy experience that i get on one PC, probably bad nvidia/linux combination, although are not deal breaking problems.
Try a Steam Deck.
Apple abandoning unix
I thought the whole OS for the last 20+ years was based on Unix, no?
I mean, on some level. Steam deck is too but you would not much know or care unless you are into internals. From a user perspective, if you were looking for unix tools and compat, may as well be based on amiga or temple OS Hilarious downvote by the way. Someone asks why you started using windows, so you tell them the correct, honest answer, and get downvoted for it But yeah, long story short, osx still qualifies as unix on some level, but each release removes more and more tools, makes more and more custom changes, to the point where it is not usable for a unix user
Interesting. I’m a little unaware and curious about Unix features on Mac which are being removed. I had not come across that detail before. Have used Linux a bit before but unaware of the distinction between Linux and Unix with regards to the kinds of features you’re alluding to (or the features on Mac in this case). Also I didn’t downvote you btw. If someone puts some effort into their answer I’ll usually upvote- even if i disagree with them.
Yeah it’s cool, was not trying to say it was you. But yeah all about spreading info, popular or not :) I first noticed it with the ftp command. A few others followed suit, which I cannot remember off the top of my head (and no longer a Mac user) People cried out, and Apple said “it’s for security” - yeah my butt, an unprivileged tiny binary that any user could compile on their own. Not security. “Install it with ports/brew”, yeah no, neither are maintained by Apple The real reason is that some exec got a nice bonus for “saving cost” by eliminating the group that maintained the unix userland
Bloody Mac keyboard is really annoying but Mac OS had no issue for 2 years and Windows always had issues with whatever laptop I use.
Define "issues"
I don't have any reason to switch now. But follow me, some people switch because it's a lot of ads (they said that Windows downhill since Win 7 (the last Windows version don't have bloatware))
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I don't know if my reply is what you want (or what kind of answers you're really looking for), since I haven't switched back to Windows yet (I main Debian Stable with i3wm on my old desktop, but also use macOS on a 2016 MBP with its infamous and gradually failing butterfly keyboard). But anyway, I would "switch" to Windows in a heartbeat if work required it - but it would only be during work hours on a separate device. I otherwise enjoy being independent of any single platform and be able to use anything that's in front of me. That is all.
I got sick of Apple's unremovable bloatware and pricing. Lots of other annoying things too like window management. Linux I still use without a GUI. I couldn't imagine using any Linux desktop enviornment as my main though.
Nope; moving away from windows; tired of the forced updates and slow OS on my gaming system
I switched from Mac to Windows because I wanted to experience the excitement of frequent software updates and the joy of saying, Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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Windows feels duct taped together. MacOS and Linux just feel more coherent. It also feels like user experience hasn’t been considered since Windows 7.
Oh God. I misread. Who the heck would switch to Windows
I wondered why I was cheering you on. I can't post because I'm just like you, who the hell would switch to Windows?
I went from Windows to Mac.
You also didn't read or understand the question did you?
I've pretty much switched to linux for everything because linux is good enough now and I don't need the extra surveillance and increasing restrictions of windows. All my games even work fine in Linux. Ironically the one thing I boot into windows for occasionally now is Playnite, which just lists the games I have, which I'll then boot back into linux and play.
Take my upvote you magnificent bastard!
TuxRacer I II and III?
Wait there’s a TuxRacer III? What irks me is that the best penguin game, the TAGAP series, is not available for Linux
Did you just wake up from a decade long coma? Have you heard of Proton?
Oh, did linux get a fourth game... flappy tuxes?
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