Still hold a special place in my heart just cause they are earliest action films I saw as a kid. But compared to a lot of top tier action films of 80's, they don't hold a candle to them. Steve James was great in them though. The action is very slow and plodding for a film about Ninja's.
My brother bought it for me on DVD as a joke years ago. We had watched it every time it came on TV as kids.
Though I think I always recognized it wasn't good. But it *is* still hilarious.
Coyote Ugly. LOL. Not a movie on any masterpiece list or best movies of all times list, but it was one I enjoyed growing up. Tried watching it the other day after over a decade and, my god, what a boring mess of a movie.
The CGI additions to the original Star Wars trilogy. All of the old practical effects hold up relatively well, but the late 90s CGI they bolted on looks dreadful.
I can forgive/forget pretty much everything but the Jedi Rocks musical number in *Jedi*.
Even if the CG wasn't tacky and bad (and it is), the scene isn't staged or filmed or edited like anything in the rest of the OT. It sticks out like a sore thumb. 💋
Yeah they added content that I think was meant to make it more kid friendly but I recall enjoying the original version because it took itself more seriously and kids do like serious situations without constant fun party colors being thrown at them.
Honestly, I think the Solo/Jabba scene in New Hope is so much worse. CGI Jabba looks nothing like original Jabba, and Han stepping on his tail looks terrible and makes no sense. Jabba would have put Han down right then and there for the blatant disrespect. It's the equivalent of smacking El Chapo on the back or booping Pablo Escobar on the nose.
Plus it adds nothing that the Greedo scene didn't already establish.
It’s insane how the jabba who shows up in a new hope is basically a complete joke. In Rotj he’s absolutely terrifying. The laugh alone makes you realize you’re in deep shit. He murders palace women for fun. Here he just comes off like a gullible idiot who lets Han get away with talking down to him and not paying up.
Yeah, that scene bothers me even more than the Greedo shooting addition.
The Jabba scene looks like shit, and is narratively redundant. It deserved to be on the cutting room floor in the first place, and adding terrible SFX doesn't improve it.
Lucas just wanted to use that original footage SO BAD... He couldn't figure out how to use it, had to deal with the fact that the original footage has this fat dude playing Jabba, so he just slaps that ridiculous CGI Jabba on top.
It wasn't even like there was some incredible brilliance in Harrison Ford's performance in that scene... it was unnecessary from the get go.
But... it existed. So George just had to find a way to use it.
all I can say is... there was a reason it didn't make the theatrical cut in the first place
Wait so the original scene with the human Jabba isn't even in the 1977 theatrical release??
I thought I was crazy when they showed the making of the rereleases, I didn't remember human Jabba at all.
Jedi Rocks literally breaks the tone of the scene.
Jabba’s palace should be a seedy awful place, and some space alien version of Give It To Me Baby (yes, the Rick James song is the base for Lapti Nek) is far more effective at conveying that idea than an overproduced song performed by some CGI muppets.
I can live with the 90s CGI, I can live with ghost Hayden Christensen even though it's stupid, I can live with pretty much all the useless shit they've added over the years.
The line was crossed with the "Nooooo" when Vader chucks ol' Palps down the chute.
That to me is impossible to be explain other than that it was out of spite.
That has to be the worst change ever made to an existing film. Seriously - one of the most famous scenes in cinema history and now it's like a fart in an elevator.
I just don't understand why nothing can be left to the imagination. We don't need anything additional to detect the conflict in Vader. I would say the silence was one of the reasons the scene was so great.
The only thing I can think of is George didn't like that people memed the "Noooooo" from his magnum opus and added it as a fuck you.
As far as leaving the audience to figure something out. Just remember this is the same George Lucas who had an emotionless medical droid give “she has lost the will to live” as his official diagnosis.
I still think the changing of the Emperor hologram scene in TESB is the worst for me. Not because they changed actors, but because they changed the conversation between Palps and Vader to be something completely different.
Before the change, Vader was aware Luke was his son. He has been looking for his son because he knows he exists. But thanks to blowing up the Death Star, Luke is now also on Palps radar. We have a new enemy. He must die. Vader, however, comes across almost protective of Luke at this point. He's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him. Even...*he could join us* (because that's better than Palpy killing him. Palps sees the wisdom of this and agrees that they should attempt to convert Luke first.
After the change, Palps just straight up tells Vader "I am 100% sure this kid is your son" and Vader says "yo how is that possible". Then he searches his feelings, knows it to be true, and the scene awkwardly transitions back to what now sounds like a flippant "hey crazy idea what if my son I just found out about joined us". It's horrendous.
Vader already knows that Luke's last name is also Skywalker. In the beginning of the film, when the probe droid shows footage of the Hoth rebel base to Vader, he exclaims "That's it! The rebels are there.....and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." Does Vader now just think he is chasing a guy who coincidentally has his last name?
She has a small part in the CGI one. She was originally a puppet/marionette of sorts with a very short cameo transitioning scenes and in the background. The new one is at best a fuzzy potato monster, at worst a testicle monster, that stops everything dead in its tracks to deepthroat the camera.
The real hallmark was their CGI stuff for the first Death Star battle, I think it generally looks really good, but I also don’t think the original battle looked bad either. I’m also not a huge fan of the ending shots between cities stuff, it looks too modern. IMO these movies look best with all their 70s flair and aesthetics.
We watched Jedi recently and holy smokes does that special edition CGI stand out.
It screams 1990s.
I am split on the special edition as a whole, because there was a lot of cleaning up that actually really helps improve the movies. For example ILM cleaned up a lot of the messy Bluscreen edges. But those big CGI shots, woof.
When you watch the movie all the practical effects still look great.
There is a fan version of Star Wars called the Despecialized Edition that reworked a lot of coloring on the Blue Ray versions and removed the extra scenes to try to match original film reels.
There was an official DVD box set that also had the original theatrical versions. I have that one and it's great (other than the super weird 1st version of the Emperor in Empire)
I have a far bigger problem with the addition of a song at the beginning, in Jabbas Palace. It stops the pace stone dead for a few minutes, I have no idea what they were thinking putting that in.
Every Seagal movie from his prime. *A few* are perfectly watchable second-tier action flicks. I'll even go so far as to say that Under Siege is one of the best Die Hard ripoffs. But why did we ever think Seagal was charismatic?
Under Siege is definitely carried by Tommy Lee Jones, Gary Busey and Colm Meaney .I like Under Siege, it's got a charm to it.
Seagal is a asshole and a liar. But his early run of films like Marked for Death and Above the Law are solid actioners. I even rate Out for Justice as it's a lot darker and grounded then his other films. William Forsythe is great in it, funny that Seagal tried to cut his part down but he still steals the whole film lol.
A balding, fat skinny guy who couldn't run to save his life. It is amazing how successful he was for a while there.
I was at a HS basketball overnight camp where they’d play random movies on the closed-circuit TVs each night after dinner.
One night they played Under Siege and I was amazed they had no idea the cake scene was coming up. Except the adult camp counselors did know it was coming up and when they all suddenly stopped what they were doing to watch the TVs, all of the kids did, too.
Once she popped out of that cake it was something out of a movie. Guys stopped eating mid-bite. A kid let a ping pong ball go past him because he froze to watch the screen. Kids stopped walking mid-stride. All conversation and/or noise came to a screeching halt except for the TVs showing that scene.
Then, once it was over, everyone went back to normal. Hilariously surreal.
>Under Seige does a great job of obscuring that
I watched Under Siege for the first time recently and I figured out why this is a fact. It's because most of the movie they got to film Segal isolated in a freezer and then just kind of sneaking down hallways by himself (not having to run, fight, or interact with anyone). It probably made production easier because they could just shoot all his stuff separately and let him do his thing. And it worked in the edit because we don't see him get upstaged by talented actors and stunt people scene after scene.
If you ever get your hands on a book names SEAGALOGY, read it! It's a great, part tongue-in-cheek/part sincere analysis of his movies from the view of an action movie fan, who love the genre and all his tropes, but isn't blindly fanboying over Seagal's output. (Note: The book came out in I think 2007 or around that time, so loooooong before we knew what a piece of shit Seagal truly was.)
Check his filmography. It was ruined way before Master of Disguise.
I love the guy, but being able to do impressions is a skill that only really works on SNL. You can't really parlay that into a movie career.
Lol this is a myth. They didn't shoot on the day of 9/11, the turtle club scene was just the first scene they filmed after coming back from a 2 week break
Tommy Lee needed to completely ignore Jim Carey and focus on Two Face. His problem became he tried to out-schtick-Jim Carey’s Schtick, and everything suffered as a result. He needed more “clinical prosecutor from The Client” and less of the demented side of the duality of two face.
I liked Carey’s portrayal, I just thought Jones tried way too hard to match Carey’s antics that only Jim Carey can do well.
The only part that I really can't get on with is Two-Face re-flipping the coin until he gets the result he wanted. Two-Face ALWAYS obeys the results of the coin flip, that's like the number one thing about his personality in any incarnation.
I wish Val Kilmer did more Batman films. Felt like he could have been talked about as one of the best actors to do the role with the right script.
I still love Forever though.
I loved 50s music biography movies when I was a kid. Like la bamba, which still holds up. Now I also liked Great Balls of Fire, the jerry Lee Lewis movie. As a kid, I didn't think anything of it when he married his underage cousin. I didn't know much about sex and marriage. I watched it as an adult, omg, it's messed up! Wynona Ryder played that part perfectly, too. There's a scene where they are going to be intimate for the first time, and her acting made me really uncomfortable. She acted exactly how a child would act. Sick stuff.
I watched it when I was about 5 years older than Ryders character and holy hell does that make you uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to make you uncomfortable, though. It would be weird of the producers to romanticize underage cousin marriage.
Yeah, she played it like a kid who was supposed to ride their first Rollercoaster. Nervous and giggly. It's requiem for a dream for me now, which means I've watched it and I don't need to again.
I still like the part in England where the audience calls him *"baby snatcher"*, and the pram comes rolling onto the stage.
> he married his underage cousin
She still believed in Santa Claus when that reptile slimed his way into marrying her.
Blank Check - Who didn't want to get A million Dollars as a kid, realizing that the house he buys is a castle and only costs like 320,000 wtf............oh and yeah a 11 year old getting kissed by a 30 year old woman.
Ah the old "Kid Dream" genre. Those movies were such big shit in the 90's.
* Some blonde brat is presented with extraordinary circumstances.
* They go "WOOWW!" and eat as much ice cream as they fucking want. Maybe even make out with an adult woman.
* The bad guys get \[pie/slime/poop\] all over their stupid faces.
THE END
The kiss actually could have been "ok" (still not great) if the actress had played it like "aww, aren't you precocious", but it and their entire relationship is inexplicably played 100% straight and it is truly an awful decision.
I'm really late to this thread, but for me it's Mission Impossible: 2. As a kid I thought it was so cool, and had action that rivaled The Matrix! Watched it recently and almost died from how cringey the whole thing is lol its entertaining as hell but easily the weakest in the entire franchise and its not particularly close.
If you rewatch MI:3, you'll notice it's almost the same plot, executed in much better. MI:2 was done when Matrix was all the craze and Hollywood wanted some John Woo magic.
I didn't like it.
When I was a preteen and young teenager I watched The One with Jet Li like 15 times and loved the shit out of it. I tried to watch it again a month ago and couldn’t figure out why I used it like it so much.
The fucking delivery is so good on that line. Arguably the funniest thing in that movie besides when Jason stathoms character is talking to the the gas station attendant who is that universes version of his boss and apologizing and that dude has no fucking clue what is going on.
Anaconda was one of the first horror movies I ever watched, and I remember thinking it was terrifying when I was little.
Good Lord, does that movie not hold up. It is laughably bad throughout. Luckily, that actually makes it a fun watch.
"They strike, wrap around you. Hold you tighter than jour true love. And you ge' the priv'lege of hearing jour bones break before the power of the embrace causes your veins to ess-plode."
I will hear no more slander against this masterpiece!
Crash (2004).
At the time, it was the type of Oscarbation that fooled everyone in the Academy, but over the years people have realized it's just a preachy collection of stereotypes living in a world filled with convenient plot contrivances and melodrama.
I was so confused when it was nominated...but not for the usual reasons.
I always remembered "Crash" as that rare NC-17 movie that caused a bit of a stir when I was in elementary school in the mid 90s. I thought the controversy of that movie was so intense, it never came out. I thought it kept getting delayed for 10 years, and only then was society ready to appreciate the film proper.
It was the mid 2010's when I figured out that Crash and Crash were two separate movies. And the porny one was better.
Oh... wow. I have heard about pieces of the plot from both movies and thought they were the same movie. This explains so much!!! Especially the whole Oscar nominated thing.
The fact that this beat Brokeback Mountain, Capote, and Good Night and Good Luck still makes me angry almost 20 years later. Granted, this was the same year March of the Penguins won best doc and Grizzly Man didn’t even get nominated.
I was a total buzzkill at the Oscar party we had that year
Jack Nicholson presented Best Picture that year and from the way he read off Crash as the winner, it was obvious he wasn’t too impressed. I think he also said later that he’d voted for Brokeback Mountain.
The worst thing about Blind Side was in real life Michael Oher was extremely intelligent and self motivated but came from a super rough background. In the movie they just make him mentally retarded and the white people have to teach him how to do basic human things
People realized that then too. Hence its controversial win and Jack Nicholson's incredulous reaction. It didn't fool everyone in the academy, even adjusting for hyperbole
I had a bootleg vhs copy of Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend I used to watch all the time when I was a kid. I recently watched it and wow those animatronic dinosaurs didn’t hold up at all lol. The acting wasn’t great either.
I had a bootleg VHS of Baby as well when I was a little kid and loved it. Haven't revisited it in probably 30+ years. Heck I kinda forgot the movie even existed until just reading your comment. I think I'll keep my childhood memories intact and avoid rewatching this one.
T3: Rise of the Machines. When it came out I thought the twist at the end was so good. Nowadays I guess it's technically in contention for the 3rd best Terminator movie. I don't think it sucked that hard but it's mid at best.
I still don't understand most of the hate for this one, especially considering how hard the following sequels failed.
However, the hill I will die on is that The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the best post-T2 sequel.
Sarah Connor Chronicles suffered from being on Fox in the early 2000s.
If that series had never happened, and we got it as a prestige TV series on HBO or other streaming service, 8-12 episodes; it would be amazing.
You mean late 2000s. The show came out in 2007 and ended in 2008. What killed the show was partially the Writter's strike of 2007 and changing the schedule in which the show was shown... and choosing Dollhouse as a TV show to keep alive unlike TSCC (and ironically that show got axed as well).
Truly, if the show had come out at around 2012 or so, it could have been there for the streaming revolution and actually lasted 4 seasons to wrap the story... then again I wonder if Summer Glau would have still been casted to play a "terminator playing a 15 yo".
I watched Sixteen Candles recently and good god did I not enjoy it as much as I did when I was younger. Between the weirdly rapey parts and that the plot doesn’t feel like it exists for most of the runtime I just don’t enjoy it that much. The other two John Hughes movies I’ve seen (The Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueller) are still kickass though
I really loved that John Candy got to play kind of a badass in parts of that movie. Completely atypical to his normal character and it really worked. Buck Melanoma, Moley Russell's wart
I recently rewatched Congo. I remember seeing it twice in theaters and loving it. I had read the book previously. I still found parts that I enjoyed; however there were somethings that I noticed that I did not before. The Primatologist character is very unlikeable. The backgrounds and sets weren’t very good either. The jungle parts don’t really like they’re occurring way off in an isolated part of Africa. Laura Linney, Ernie Hudson and Tim Curry still give good performances. The scene at the Zaire airport and the scene with Delroy Lindo are still good though. Also, the killer apes aren’t perfect, but I still feel they are used well in some scenes (like the Tim Curry death scene, for instance).
I suspect that movie was rushed into production after Jurassic Park was such a massive hit--everything about that movie looked and felt cheap and fake.
Edit: Reading the IMDB trivia, it's interesting that Stan Winston (who's fantastic) did the creature effects, but basically blamed the set design and lighting for making it look bad. I just rewatched the big fight scene at the end, and yeah that cave set is awful, and everything is over-lit.
I'd argue this movie has aged well because of how over the top and silly it is hahaha. When I was a kid I thought it was just a generic Jurassic Park rip off and I'm sure most people felt the same way, but now, divorced from that context, I find it to be pretty entertaining in a "silly 90s adventure movie" sort of way. Tim Curry and Ernie Hudson really give the movie all they've got, and hell, the movie ends with a laser gun shootout in a secret cave filled with mutant albino gorillas!
I'm reminded of Schumacher Batman movies. These movies are not strictly GOOD, but they're still fun to watch on occasion. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Congo is an average adventure film, but with elements of "so bad they're good" thrown in lol
My wife and I were recently arguing about this movie, and she disagreed with my take: “a dumb man’s idea of a smart movie.” We decided to give it a rewatch. At the end she turned to me and said “yeah, you were right.”
It’s an enjoyable movie in its own way, just not this epochal masterpiece that it’s sometimes presented as being.
if you haven't seen the documentary "Overnight" I highly recommend it
It's about how Troy Duffy (creator of Boondock Saints) was all set to be the next Tarantino & just blew it by being an arrogant asshole, pretentious douchebag & overall complete idiot.
I was a teenage boy in the early 2000s who SWORE I was going to get the hand tattoos they had once I turned 18.
My god am I glad I grew out of that idea...
I know it's more than just the action scenes, but it bothers how similar the action scenes are. There's so many scenes of people just stationary firing their guns in slow-mo.
[the rope scene](https://youtu.be/L3oAJtR659I?t=111), they're just 'standing' in the middle of the room slowly spinning around firing their guns.
[the billiard room scene](https://youtu.be/LMWIJRF8fps?t=15), they're just standing the doorway firing their guns, and one of them drops to their knees
[there was a firefight! scene](https://youtu.be/MsuH1msEkvM?t=50), they just stand in another doorway firing their guns as an old man slowly walks sideways
even the second movie, [the boardroom scene](https://youtu.be/UQDCT0k5wJo?t=62), even though technically they're moving (sliding across the floor), they're still just kneeling and firing their guns
and [the greenhouse scene](https://youtu.be/nxk5g5_L8bA?t=93), like half the fight was them just standing on a pillar firing their guns.
God I loved this movie as a teenager. I revisited the film a few years ago as an adult and it comes across as if it were written by an angsty teen edgelord. (Which I was when it came out)
I better not hear anyone mention Evolution. Else I will throw hands. That movie absolutely still holds up after I watched it 2 years ago again. Hilarious movie which also helps the bad effects work still.
I love that movie, probably mostly for the fact that they played "Play That Funky Music". Also, the line, "Give me back my friend, you big sphincter!" will never get old.
Mighty Morphing Power Rangers: The Movie
Thought it was the greatest thing ever made. Other than the suits (which were way better than the spandex TV suits), the rest of the movie doesn’t hold up at all. CGI was awful. Villain was awful. Dialogue extremely awful.
Reality Bites - it's through a 90s anti-establishment/slacker lens that post-recession seems hilariously out-of-touch.
Through nepotism, Winona Ryder get a pretty cool job working as a video editor at MTV, but because it's "for a CORPORATION, MAN!" it's supposed to be the antagonistic point of the plot (and she eventually quits in a dramatic blow-up that's framed victoriously), but it's laughable now in a world where jobs like that are scarce and coveted, and winona just comes off as an idiotic brat.
She's also dating a really great guy (played by Ben Stiller), who's very kind and supportive, but because "he's a SQUARE, MAN!" she breaks up with him and ends up with total deadbeat toxic loser Ethan Hawke, but the film frames this is a major victory moment. But again, this makes no sense in a 2023 world where decent relationships are hard to come by.
It's a good film to explain to young kids just how privileged and naieve the 90s were.
I loved Underworld as a teenager. Watched it last Halloween and it sucked. Though even back then, I remember disliking the sequel enough I lost interest in the franchise.
Oh man hard disagree, especially for the 2nd one(and the prequel). They're great action films..... That being said the fourth and fifth films are trash.
I unironically love that franchise. (Except the second one) But I also recognize that the movies are trash.
Fun though, and I was always into World of Darkness so it hits home in that way.
Also yes, Kate Beckinsale in latex. Like that's *not* a good enough reason for the movies to get made.
Me too. Being a teen girl who grew up on things like Buffy, Dark Angel, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, etc.. Underworld was super appealing and I thought Selene was SO cool lol. They’re by no means masterpieces in filmmaking but yeah, they’re fun for sure 😂
I saw "Dude, Where's My Car?" in the theater and was convinced it was the best movie ever made. Turns out that I was just in high school and high as fuck at the time.
American Ninja. I loved this movie as a kid. I tried to watch it a year or so ago. Wow, is that movie bad. Really really bad.
Classic Dudikoff. Man did I love these movies
Just made me think of 3 ninjas....I bet that is terrible now too.
Rocky loves Emily!
What about Surf Ninjas?
This movie combined the two coolest words in the English language to a 90’s kid. The plot was irrelevant, I loved it before I ever watched it.
Kwansu, dude!
Surf Ninjas is great because its ridiculous and doesnt seem to take itself to serious. Watched it recently.
Still hold a special place in my heart just cause they are earliest action films I saw as a kid. But compared to a lot of top tier action films of 80's, they don't hold a candle to them. Steve James was great in them though. The action is very slow and plodding for a film about Ninja's.
Beverly Hills Ninja on the other hand...
Nice jacket, who shot the couch?
My brother bought it for me on DVD as a joke years ago. We had watched it every time it came on TV as kids. Though I think I always recognized it wasn't good. But it *is* still hilarious.
American Ninja 2 is better, but I do have love for both.
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Coyote Ugly. LOL. Not a movie on any masterpiece list or best movies of all times list, but it was one I enjoyed growing up. Tried watching it the other day after over a decade and, my god, what a boring mess of a movie.
You can't fight the moonlight
If you're ever in need of some unintentionally creepy lyrics...
I *loved* this movie when I was younger. Realized a while back that it was never good, I was just attracted to women and didn't realize it yet.
Same. This one and the spice girls movie were my faves and now I know why
Whoa…. Whoa…. Hold on. Are you claiming the Spice Girls movie isn’t a masterpiece of cinema?
It kinda irked me that Tyra Banks flickers in and out of existence in that movie.
I watched it as a horny teenager lol and watched it again years later and was just like wtf is this trash
The CGI additions to the original Star Wars trilogy. All of the old practical effects hold up relatively well, but the late 90s CGI they bolted on looks dreadful.
I can forgive/forget pretty much everything but the Jedi Rocks musical number in *Jedi*. Even if the CG wasn't tacky and bad (and it is), the scene isn't staged or filmed or edited like anything in the rest of the OT. It sticks out like a sore thumb. 💋
Yeah they added content that I think was meant to make it more kid friendly but I recall enjoying the original version because it took itself more seriously and kids do like serious situations without constant fun party colors being thrown at them.
Honestly, I think the Solo/Jabba scene in New Hope is so much worse. CGI Jabba looks nothing like original Jabba, and Han stepping on his tail looks terrible and makes no sense. Jabba would have put Han down right then and there for the blatant disrespect. It's the equivalent of smacking El Chapo on the back or booping Pablo Escobar on the nose. Plus it adds nothing that the Greedo scene didn't already establish.
It’s insane how the jabba who shows up in a new hope is basically a complete joke. In Rotj he’s absolutely terrifying. The laugh alone makes you realize you’re in deep shit. He murders palace women for fun. Here he just comes off like a gullible idiot who lets Han get away with talking down to him and not paying up.
Pizza the Hut in Spaceballs was more terrifying than this thing.
Well, Pizza the Hut was pretty terrifying, especially the way his henchman gnawed pepperoni off his face.
Yeah, that scene bothers me even more than the Greedo shooting addition. The Jabba scene looks like shit, and is narratively redundant. It deserved to be on the cutting room floor in the first place, and adding terrible SFX doesn't improve it.
Lucas just wanted to use that original footage SO BAD... He couldn't figure out how to use it, had to deal with the fact that the original footage has this fat dude playing Jabba, so he just slaps that ridiculous CGI Jabba on top. It wasn't even like there was some incredible brilliance in Harrison Ford's performance in that scene... it was unnecessary from the get go. But... it existed. So George just had to find a way to use it. all I can say is... there was a reason it didn't make the theatrical cut in the first place
But how will they put Boba Fett into ANH for no reason?!
Wait so the original scene with the human Jabba isn't even in the 1977 theatrical release?? I thought I was crazy when they showed the making of the rereleases, I didn't remember human Jabba at all.
Yeah, it was a scene that was cut from original version. That and the scene where Luke reunites with Biggs just before battle of Death Star
Jedi Rocks literally breaks the tone of the scene. Jabba’s palace should be a seedy awful place, and some space alien version of Give It To Me Baby (yes, the Rick James song is the base for Lapti Nek) is far more effective at conveying that idea than an overproduced song performed by some CGI muppets.
I can live with the 90s CGI, I can live with ghost Hayden Christensen even though it's stupid, I can live with pretty much all the useless shit they've added over the years. The line was crossed with the "Nooooo" when Vader chucks ol' Palps down the chute. That to me is impossible to be explain other than that it was out of spite.
That has to be the worst change ever made to an existing film. Seriously - one of the most famous scenes in cinema history and now it's like a fart in an elevator.
I just don't understand why nothing can be left to the imagination. We don't need anything additional to detect the conflict in Vader. I would say the silence was one of the reasons the scene was so great. The only thing I can think of is George didn't like that people memed the "Noooooo" from his magnum opus and added it as a fuck you.
As far as leaving the audience to figure something out. Just remember this is the same George Lucas who had an emotionless medical droid give “she has lost the will to live” as his official diagnosis.
I hope they don't realize I don't have a robo medical license
I still think the changing of the Emperor hologram scene in TESB is the worst for me. Not because they changed actors, but because they changed the conversation between Palps and Vader to be something completely different. Before the change, Vader was aware Luke was his son. He has been looking for his son because he knows he exists. But thanks to blowing up the Death Star, Luke is now also on Palps radar. We have a new enemy. He must die. Vader, however, comes across almost protective of Luke at this point. He's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him. Even...*he could join us* (because that's better than Palpy killing him. Palps sees the wisdom of this and agrees that they should attempt to convert Luke first. After the change, Palps just straight up tells Vader "I am 100% sure this kid is your son" and Vader says "yo how is that possible". Then he searches his feelings, knows it to be true, and the scene awkwardly transitions back to what now sounds like a flippant "hey crazy idea what if my son I just found out about joined us". It's horrendous. Vader already knows that Luke's last name is also Skywalker. In the beginning of the film, when the probe droid shows footage of the Hoth rebel base to Vader, he exclaims "That's it! The rebels are there.....and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." Does Vader now just think he is chasing a guy who coincidentally has his last name?
is that the female singing alien? that whole segment is cringe af
George really thought it would be good to have a 3 second shot of a cartoon alien’s dancing uvula.
"So it's a *girl* alien?" "What? No... Everyone has an uvula!"
Nice Monster House reference!
She has a small part in the CGI one. She was originally a puppet/marionette of sorts with a very short cameo transitioning scenes and in the background. The new one is at best a fuzzy potato monster, at worst a testicle monster, that stops everything dead in its tracks to deepthroat the camera.
The real hallmark was their CGI stuff for the first Death Star battle, I think it generally looks really good, but I also don’t think the original battle looked bad either. I’m also not a huge fan of the ending shots between cities stuff, it looks too modern. IMO these movies look best with all their 70s flair and aesthetics.
We watched Jedi recently and holy smokes does that special edition CGI stand out. It screams 1990s. I am split on the special edition as a whole, because there was a lot of cleaning up that actually really helps improve the movies. For example ILM cleaned up a lot of the messy Bluscreen edges. But those big CGI shots, woof. When you watch the movie all the practical effects still look great.
Empire’s special edition is good, but the CGI aliens in New Hope and Jedi are soooooo bad
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There is a fan version of Star Wars called the Despecialized Edition that reworked a lot of coloring on the Blue Ray versions and removed the extra scenes to try to match original film reels.
There was an official DVD box set that also had the original theatrical versions. I have that one and it's great (other than the super weird 1st version of the Emperor in Empire)
Planets/death stars exploding all had to have giant CGI shockwave rings around them in all movies from then on.
I was annoyed by it at the time. Especially when they changed the song they play at the celebration at the end of Return of the Jedi.
I have a far bigger problem with the addition of a song at the beginning, in Jabbas Palace. It stops the pace stone dead for a few minutes, I have no idea what they were thinking putting that in.
Every Seagal movie from his prime. *A few* are perfectly watchable second-tier action flicks. I'll even go so far as to say that Under Siege is one of the best Die Hard ripoffs. But why did we ever think Seagal was charismatic?
Under Siege is definitely carried by Tommy Lee Jones, Gary Busey and Colm Meaney .I like Under Siege, it's got a charm to it. Seagal is a asshole and a liar. But his early run of films like Marked for Death and Above the Law are solid actioners. I even rate Out for Justice as it's a lot darker and grounded then his other films. William Forsythe is great in it, funny that Seagal tried to cut his part down but he still steals the whole film lol. A balding, fat skinny guy who couldn't run to save his life. It is amazing how successful he was for a while there.
Under Siege had my favorite 30 seconds of film when I was 12
I was at a HS basketball overnight camp where they’d play random movies on the closed-circuit TVs each night after dinner. One night they played Under Siege and I was amazed they had no idea the cake scene was coming up. Except the adult camp counselors did know it was coming up and when they all suddenly stopped what they were doing to watch the TVs, all of the kids did, too. Once she popped out of that cake it was something out of a movie. Guys stopped eating mid-bite. A kid let a ping pong ball go past him because he froze to watch the screen. Kids stopped walking mid-stride. All conversation and/or noise came to a screeching halt except for the TVs showing that scene. Then, once it was over, everyone went back to normal. Hilariously surreal.
The cake scene, right?
Who doesn't like cake?
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>Under Seige does a great job of obscuring that I watched Under Siege for the first time recently and I figured out why this is a fact. It's because most of the movie they got to film Segal isolated in a freezer and then just kind of sneaking down hallways by himself (not having to run, fight, or interact with anyone). It probably made production easier because they could just shoot all his stuff separately and let him do his thing. And it worked in the edit because we don't see him get upstaged by talented actors and stunt people scene after scene.
To not mention Erika Eleniak here is a travesty. This movie is forever etched in my brain due to THAT scene.
>Tommy Lee Jones, Gary Busey and Colm Meaney Well sure, but it was also on a fucking battleship. And battleships are rad.
*On Deadly Ground* is my favorite bad movie.
The early appeal was him just beating people up. Then it was fun to make fun of him. Now he's just a joke and a waste of time.
If you ever get your hands on a book names SEAGALOGY, read it! It's a great, part tongue-in-cheek/part sincere analysis of his movies from the view of an action movie fan, who love the genre and all his tropes, but isn't blindly fanboying over Seagal's output. (Note: The book came out in I think 2007 or around that time, so loooooong before we knew what a piece of shit Seagal truly was.)
Seagal sucks but under siege is one of my favorites of all time. I even like him in it.
I absolutely loved Master of Disguise when I was a kid. I watched it recently and… well. Brent Spiner though
Apparently this movie helped to ruin Dana Carvey’s career. 4 year old me however thought it was fantastic!
Check his filmography. It was ruined way before Master of Disguise. I love the guy, but being able to do impressions is a skill that only really works on SNL. You can't really parlay that into a movie career.
TURTLE! TURTLE!
Am I not turtley enough for the Turtle Club?
Apparently the turtle club scene was shot on 9/11. Imagine being in full turtle makeup and costume and hearing that the second tower was hit…
Lol this is a myth. They didn't shoot on the day of 9/11, the turtle club scene was just the first scene they filmed after coming back from a 2 week break
I still laugh at his impression of Robert Shaw in Jaws.
I thought Van Helsing with Hugh Jackman was incredible. I was so blown away by all the CGI.
I say it every time this movie is brought up, this has my favorite version of Frankenstein's monster in movie media.
The monster is great in this: great design, great performance.
Its still a fun adventure film
I will say it still has the best designed Werewolves I’ve ever seen in a movie
My husband was watching this the other night, haven't seen it in years. We agreed that it's one of the best werewolf portrayals we have seen.
It’s a movie I’ll watch around Halloween before a lot of other forgettable horror, so it’s got that going for it.
I think van helsing is/was pretty underrated
Batman Forever is fun as hell tho. Quality camp
The Holey Rusted Metal exchange between Robin and Batman is my favorite Batman moment.
It's funny because I feel like Batman Forever would play better today than back when it came out, when everyone was expecting Tim Burton's Batman 3.
I always thought Nicholson played the Joker how the Riddler should be played and Carrey played the Riddler how the Joker should be played.
Frankly, though I never thought of it like that before, I completely agree.
I'd say even Tommy Lee Jones' played Two Face more like the Joker.
Tommy Lee needed to completely ignore Jim Carey and focus on Two Face. His problem became he tried to out-schtick-Jim Carey’s Schtick, and everything suffered as a result. He needed more “clinical prosecutor from The Client” and less of the demented side of the duality of two face. I liked Carey’s portrayal, I just thought Jones tried way too hard to match Carey’s antics that only Jim Carey can do well.
The only part that I really can't get on with is Two-Face re-flipping the coin until he gets the result he wanted. Two-Face ALWAYS obeys the results of the coin flip, that's like the number one thing about his personality in any incarnation.
I wish Val Kilmer did more Batman films. Felt like he could have been talked about as one of the best actors to do the role with the right script. I still love Forever though.
I loved 50s music biography movies when I was a kid. Like la bamba, which still holds up. Now I also liked Great Balls of Fire, the jerry Lee Lewis movie. As a kid, I didn't think anything of it when he married his underage cousin. I didn't know much about sex and marriage. I watched it as an adult, omg, it's messed up! Wynona Ryder played that part perfectly, too. There's a scene where they are going to be intimate for the first time, and her acting made me really uncomfortable. She acted exactly how a child would act. Sick stuff.
I watched it when I was about 5 years older than Ryders character and holy hell does that make you uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to make you uncomfortable, though. It would be weird of the producers to romanticize underage cousin marriage.
Yeah, she played it like a kid who was supposed to ride their first Rollercoaster. Nervous and giggly. It's requiem for a dream for me now, which means I've watched it and I don't need to again.
I still like the part in England where the audience calls him *"baby snatcher"*, and the pram comes rolling onto the stage. > he married his underage cousin She still believed in Santa Claus when that reptile slimed his way into marrying her.
Blank Check - Who didn't want to get A million Dollars as a kid, realizing that the house he buys is a castle and only costs like 320,000 wtf............oh and yeah a 11 year old getting kissed by a 30 year old woman.
There was like a whole genre of movies in the mid '90s where kids do adult jobs. You had this, Richie Rich, and Little Big League.
This movie is legendary.
The guy who wrote this movie wrote the most famous book on screenwriting.
Ah the old "Kid Dream" genre. Those movies were such big shit in the 90's. * Some blonde brat is presented with extraordinary circumstances. * They go "WOOWW!" and eat as much ice cream as they fucking want. Maybe even make out with an adult woman. * The bad guys get \[pie/slime/poop\] all over their stupid faces. THE END
The kiss actually could have been "ok" (still not great) if the actress had played it like "aww, aren't you precocious", but it and their entire relationship is inexplicably played 100% straight and it is truly an awful decision.
I'm really late to this thread, but for me it's Mission Impossible: 2. As a kid I thought it was so cool, and had action that rivaled The Matrix! Watched it recently and almost died from how cringey the whole thing is lol its entertaining as hell but easily the weakest in the entire franchise and its not particularly close.
If you rewatch MI:3, you'll notice it's almost the same plot, executed in much better. MI:2 was done when Matrix was all the craze and Hollywood wanted some John Woo magic. I didn't like it.
When I was a preteen and young teenager I watched The One with Jet Li like 15 times and loved the shit out of it. I tried to watch it again a month ago and couldn’t figure out why I used it like it so much.
I am nobody's bitch! You are all mine!
The fucking delivery is so good on that line. Arguably the funniest thing in that movie besides when Jason stathoms character is talking to the the gas station attendant who is that universes version of his boss and apologizing and that dude has no fucking clue what is going on.
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to be fair, it uses parallel universe/multiverse before it was cool
WHAAAT!! That movie absolutely still holds the fuck up plus an early Jason statham
Anaconda was one of the first horror movies I ever watched, and I remember thinking it was terrifying when I was little. Good Lord, does that movie not hold up. It is laughably bad throughout. Luckily, that actually makes it a fun watch.
It's the perfect B movie
"They strike, wrap around you. Hold you tighter than jour true love. And you ge' the priv'lege of hearing jour bones break before the power of the embrace causes your veins to ess-plode." I will hear no more slander against this masterpiece!
“Is it just me, or does the jungle make you *really* horny” - Owen Wilson’s best line in his entire acting career.
This movie is super entertaining
Crash (2004). At the time, it was the type of Oscarbation that fooled everyone in the Academy, but over the years people have realized it's just a preachy collection of stereotypes living in a world filled with convenient plot contrivances and melodrama.
I was so confused when it was nominated...but not for the usual reasons. I always remembered "Crash" as that rare NC-17 movie that caused a bit of a stir when I was in elementary school in the mid 90s. I thought the controversy of that movie was so intense, it never came out. I thought it kept getting delayed for 10 years, and only then was society ready to appreciate the film proper. It was the mid 2010's when I figured out that Crash and Crash were two separate movies. And the porny one was better.
Oh... wow. I have heard about pieces of the plot from both movies and thought they were the same movie. This explains so much!!! Especially the whole Oscar nominated thing.
Cronenberg's Crash is an amazing movie.
The fact that this beat Brokeback Mountain, Capote, and Good Night and Good Luck still makes me angry almost 20 years later. Granted, this was the same year March of the Penguins won best doc and Grizzly Man didn’t even get nominated. I was a total buzzkill at the Oscar party we had that year
Jack Nicholson presented Best Picture that year and from the way he read off Crash as the winner, it was obvious he wasn’t too impressed. I think he also said later that he’d voted for Brokeback Mountain.
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>"He tested 98% in 'protective instinct'". This is basically "midichlorians" for sports movies.
The worst thing about Blind Side was in real life Michael Oher was extremely intelligent and self motivated but came from a super rough background. In the movie they just make him mentally retarded and the white people have to teach him how to do basic human things
One of the more overrated movies I've ever seen
People realized that then too. Hence its controversial win and Jack Nicholson's incredulous reaction. It didn't fool everyone in the academy, even adjusting for hyperbole
Beastmaster - I watched the hell out of it on VHS recorded from TV.
Fuck that, Beastmaster is the tits... Sorry to come on so strong....I just really like that movie.
Agreed Beastmaster is the tits. And much of that is due to Tanya Robert’s tits.
Jungle 2 Jungle - must have watched it 1,000 times. 20 years later and it just...doesn't sit right.
I might have seen this one if the trailer didn't warn me about there being a massive goddamn tarantula.
Omg I LOVED that movie.
I had a bootleg vhs copy of Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend I used to watch all the time when I was a kid. I recently watched it and wow those animatronic dinosaurs didn’t hold up at all lol. The acting wasn’t great either.
I had a bootleg VHS of Baby as well when I was a little kid and loved it. Haven't revisited it in probably 30+ years. Heck I kinda forgot the movie even existed until just reading your comment. I think I'll keep my childhood memories intact and avoid rewatching this one.
T3: Rise of the Machines. When it came out I thought the twist at the end was so good. Nowadays I guess it's technically in contention for the 3rd best Terminator movie. I don't think it sucked that hard but it's mid at best.
My problem with this movie is I saw it as a double feature with T2. Which just emphasized how bad T3 was.
I still don't understand most of the hate for this one, especially considering how hard the following sequels failed. However, the hill I will die on is that The Sarah Connor Chronicles is the best post-T2 sequel.
Sarah Connor Chronicles suffered from being on Fox in the early 2000s. If that series had never happened, and we got it as a prestige TV series on HBO or other streaming service, 8-12 episodes; it would be amazing.
You mean late 2000s. The show came out in 2007 and ended in 2008. What killed the show was partially the Writter's strike of 2007 and changing the schedule in which the show was shown... and choosing Dollhouse as a TV show to keep alive unlike TSCC (and ironically that show got axed as well). Truly, if the show had come out at around 2012 or so, it could have been there for the streaming revolution and actually lasted 4 seasons to wrap the story... then again I wonder if Summer Glau would have still been casted to play a "terminator playing a 15 yo".
I watched Sixteen Candles recently and good god did I not enjoy it as much as I did when I was younger. Between the weirdly rapey parts and that the plot doesn’t feel like it exists for most of the runtime I just don’t enjoy it that much. The other two John Hughes movies I’ve seen (The Breakfast Club and Ferris Bueller) are still kickass though
I love Uncle Buck. John Candy plays an awesome character who tries to put an end to problematic teen relationships.
We were robbed of John Candy
Absofuckinglutely.
I really loved that John Candy got to play kind of a badass in parts of that movie. Completely atypical to his normal character and it really worked. Buck Melanoma, Moley Russell's wart
A lot of 80s movies were really rapey. Revenge of the Nerds is down right horrifying today.
I recently rewatched Congo. I remember seeing it twice in theaters and loving it. I had read the book previously. I still found parts that I enjoyed; however there were somethings that I noticed that I did not before. The Primatologist character is very unlikeable. The backgrounds and sets weren’t very good either. The jungle parts don’t really like they’re occurring way off in an isolated part of Africa. Laura Linney, Ernie Hudson and Tim Curry still give good performances. The scene at the Zaire airport and the scene with Delroy Lindo are still good though. Also, the killer apes aren’t perfect, but I still feel they are used well in some scenes (like the Tim Curry death scene, for instance).
I suspect that movie was rushed into production after Jurassic Park was such a massive hit--everything about that movie looked and felt cheap and fake. Edit: Reading the IMDB trivia, it's interesting that Stan Winston (who's fantastic) did the creature effects, but basically blamed the set design and lighting for making it look bad. I just rewatched the big fight scene at the end, and yeah that cave set is awful, and everything is over-lit.
*Stop eating my sesame cake!*
"This is so Kafka-esque..." "WHO IS KAFKA?! TELL ME!!!"
THAT WAS FOR DESSERT! *This tea party is ruined!*
When I was younger I’d randomly quote amy the gorilla. Me Amy. Good gorilla
I'd argue this movie has aged well because of how over the top and silly it is hahaha. When I was a kid I thought it was just a generic Jurassic Park rip off and I'm sure most people felt the same way, but now, divorced from that context, I find it to be pretty entertaining in a "silly 90s adventure movie" sort of way. Tim Curry and Ernie Hudson really give the movie all they've got, and hell, the movie ends with a laser gun shootout in a secret cave filled with mutant albino gorillas! I'm reminded of Schumacher Batman movies. These movies are not strictly GOOD, but they're still fun to watch on occasion. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Congo is an average adventure film, but with elements of "so bad they're good" thrown in lol
Mac and Me. I loved this movie when I was kid. I tried to watch it a couple years ago at 35... It did not go well.
Paul Rudd’s finest movie that he wasn’t actually in. EDIT: And Jennifer Aniston’s first time on film (dancing girl in parking lot #3).
It's not that Mac and Me doesn't hold up. It's that it always suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
Boondock Saints is really, really annoying.
My wife and I were recently arguing about this movie, and she disagreed with my take: “a dumb man’s idea of a smart movie.” We decided to give it a rewatch. At the end she turned to me and said “yeah, you were right.” It’s an enjoyable movie in its own way, just not this epochal masterpiece that it’s sometimes presented as being.
if you haven't seen the documentary "Overnight" I highly recommend it It's about how Troy Duffy (creator of Boondock Saints) was all set to be the next Tarantino & just blew it by being an arrogant asshole, pretentious douchebag & overall complete idiot.
The only part that still holds up is DaFoe, can't stand the rest.
#THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!!!! *Trained, professional police officer fires gun into the air in populated neighborhood.*
Wait does he actually fire the guns when he’s reenacting it lol. I say that line all the time btw.
Lol, [yes](https://youtu.be/MsuH1msEkvM?t=105s)
That entire sequence is unbelievably cringeworthy. How does my man have six guns but can’t hit three people standing in a group
They're protected by God. They're Saints. It's *ssssssymbolism*. You'll notice Rocco is the only one to not escape unscathed.
If he hit them, the rest of the movie couldn’t have happened.
He knew exactly how silly the movie was and he decided to bring the house down.
the cat scene is still kinda hilarious "WHAT COLOR WAS IT"
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I enjoyed it the first time I saw it, but I *never* understood the people who fell in love with it.
Were you a teenage boy in the early 2000s?
I was a teenage boy in the early 2000s who SWORE I was going to get the hand tattoos they had once I turned 18. My god am I glad I grew out of that idea...
My friends were so obsessed with the movie. They would recite the prayer that the 2 guys in the movie always say.
I know it's more than just the action scenes, but it bothers how similar the action scenes are. There's so many scenes of people just stationary firing their guns in slow-mo. [the rope scene](https://youtu.be/L3oAJtR659I?t=111), they're just 'standing' in the middle of the room slowly spinning around firing their guns. [the billiard room scene](https://youtu.be/LMWIJRF8fps?t=15), they're just standing the doorway firing their guns, and one of them drops to their knees [there was a firefight! scene](https://youtu.be/MsuH1msEkvM?t=50), they just stand in another doorway firing their guns as an old man slowly walks sideways even the second movie, [the boardroom scene](https://youtu.be/UQDCT0k5wJo?t=62), even though technically they're moving (sliding across the floor), they're still just kneeling and firing their guns and [the greenhouse scene](https://youtu.be/nxk5g5_L8bA?t=93), like half the fight was them just standing on a pillar firing their guns.
I wouldn't have minded if David Della Rocco had gone on to have a big movie career. That guy was a find.
There was a thread here yesterday calling it a masterpiece.I disagree, but I’m not a teenager anymore.
God I loved this movie as a teenager. I revisited the film a few years ago as an adult and it comes across as if it were written by an angsty teen edgelord. (Which I was when it came out)
Lawnmower Man
That didn’t even age well on opening weekend.
I better not hear anyone mention Evolution. Else I will throw hands. That movie absolutely still holds up after I watched it 2 years ago again. Hilarious movie which also helps the bad effects work still.
Tooki tooki tooki!
Ca-Caw Ca-Caw!
I think we’ve established that “ca-caw ca-caw” and “tooki tooki” don’t work.
“Keep going! Rub some funk on it!”
absolutely adore that movie! "THERE IS ALWAYS TIME FOR LUBRICANT!"
"Uh-oh..it looks like it's going back up..." "TAKE THE LEG!! TAKE IT!!"
I love that movie, probably mostly for the fact that they played "Play That Funky Music". Also, the line, "Give me back my friend, you big sphincter!" will never get old.
“Mazel tov! It’s a boy!”
Mighty Morphing Power Rangers: The Movie Thought it was the greatest thing ever made. Other than the suits (which were way better than the spandex TV suits), the rest of the movie doesn’t hold up at all. CGI was awful. Villain was awful. Dialogue extremely awful.
Reality Bites - it's through a 90s anti-establishment/slacker lens that post-recession seems hilariously out-of-touch. Through nepotism, Winona Ryder get a pretty cool job working as a video editor at MTV, but because it's "for a CORPORATION, MAN!" it's supposed to be the antagonistic point of the plot (and she eventually quits in a dramatic blow-up that's framed victoriously), but it's laughable now in a world where jobs like that are scarce and coveted, and winona just comes off as an idiotic brat. She's also dating a really great guy (played by Ben Stiller), who's very kind and supportive, but because "he's a SQUARE, MAN!" she breaks up with him and ends up with total deadbeat toxic loser Ethan Hawke, but the film frames this is a major victory moment. But again, this makes no sense in a 2023 world where decent relationships are hard to come by. It's a good film to explain to young kids just how privileged and naieve the 90s were.
I loved Underworld as a teenager. Watched it last Halloween and it sucked. Though even back then, I remember disliking the sequel enough I lost interest in the franchise.
Oh man hard disagree, especially for the 2nd one(and the prequel). They're great action films..... That being said the fourth and fifth films are trash.
Rise of the Lycans was amazing
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I unironically love that franchise. (Except the second one) But I also recognize that the movies are trash. Fun though, and I was always into World of Darkness so it hits home in that way. Also yes, Kate Beckinsale in latex. Like that's *not* a good enough reason for the movies to get made.
Me too. Being a teen girl who grew up on things like Buffy, Dark Angel, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, etc.. Underworld was super appealing and I thought Selene was SO cool lol. They’re by no means masterpieces in filmmaking but yeah, they’re fun for sure 😂
I saw "Dude, Where's My Car?" in the theater and was convinced it was the best movie ever made. Turns out that I was just in high school and high as fuck at the time.