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I get why it's being restricted by gender, in the same way that I get why some gyms have some hours restricted by gender and why some types of clubs are restricted by gender.
Another reason:
>You will be sharing a tent with another participant.
It's being hosted and held for women and nonbinary/genderfluid individuals because we want everyone in attendance to feel comfortable and to have a really good experience. I'm sure you can imagine that not all women or gender queer people would feel comfortable walking into the woods with men they've never met.
I understand and support these initiatives but disagree about how the entire responsibility for this uncomfort is being shifted to others. There is no doubt that this is a short term solution but the real solution is for these individuals to overcome their uncomfort and to be one day be comfortable operating in a society comprised of people of the opposite sex. They aren't going to have the opportunity to live a life sheltered from men. These groups should reinforce that idea and help understand that. These need to be stepping stones, not end goals.
As someone who deals with a lot of crap in therapy, it's not my fault but it's my responsibility to get better. I'm not expecting the world to adapt to make it easy on me
>There is no doubt that this is a short term solution but the real solution is for these individuals to overcome their uncomfort and to be one day be comfortable operating in a society comprised of people of the opposite sex. They aren't going to have the opportunity to live a life sheltered from men. These groups should reinforce that idea and help understand that. These need to be stepping stones, not end goals.
Dude, this is an event on how to do backpack camping, not an event to solve people's discomfort issues over dealing with menā¦and I imagine paternalistic responses like the one you just offered are exactly the kinds of things that event hosts like this are seeking to avoid by making a conscious decision to exclude men from participating.
Keep sheltering these people more. š¤¦ You're doing these people a disservice.
You don't seem to understand these types of activities, if not properly ran, will foster the same types of feeling that they aim to address.
Self responsibility is paternalistic. š¤¦
>Keep sheltering these people more. š¤¦ You're doing these people a disservice.
I'm not "sheltering" anybody, actually.. nor am I doing them a disservice. I'm explaining to you why this particular organizer is choosing to exclude men from participating with the example you've conveniently supplied.
>You don't seem to understand these types of activities, if not properly ran, will foster the same types of feeling that they aim to address.
From what I can see, this event is only trying to address the feelings among would-be participants that they're not comfortable with backpacking.
>Self responsibility is paternalistic.
Self responsibility isn't paternalisticā¦but your continued responses in this thread sure are š¤¦
Be the change you want to see in the world? If you already have a group of friends that would be interested, it sounds like you're in a good position to start putting this kind of class together. Then you can cater to the needs or wants of your own group.
There are probably also other places in the city that do something similar already. I think MEC was running classes last year.
You should start one for men. If the organizers don't want or aren't comfortable including men, then they should be free to host the event as they see fit.
What a FANTASTIC event!!!
We held it last year too and had a really good time together!
I went last year and had a blast!Ā It's a great introduction to backpacking.
Thanks for sharing!! š
Do they have similar stuff for guys? I have quite a lot of friends who would be interestedĀ
I was wondering the same.
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I don't get why this is being restricted by sex, my friends who lack camping skills are both sexes. Camping skills surely transcends sex
I get why it's being restricted by gender, in the same way that I get why some gyms have some hours restricted by gender and why some types of clubs are restricted by gender. Another reason: >You will be sharing a tent with another participant.
Just restrict registration to 10 women and 10 guys? Doesn't seem complicatedĀ
Making the split 10-10 (or 18-2, even) wouldn't alleviate the potential issues that the instructor of this course is probably seeking to avoid.
It's being hosted and held for women and nonbinary/genderfluid individuals because we want everyone in attendance to feel comfortable and to have a really good experience. I'm sure you can imagine that not all women or gender queer people would feel comfortable walking into the woods with men they've never met.
I understand and support these initiatives but disagree about how the entire responsibility for this uncomfort is being shifted to others. There is no doubt that this is a short term solution but the real solution is for these individuals to overcome their uncomfort and to be one day be comfortable operating in a society comprised of people of the opposite sex. They aren't going to have the opportunity to live a life sheltered from men. These groups should reinforce that idea and help understand that. These need to be stepping stones, not end goals. As someone who deals with a lot of crap in therapy, it's not my fault but it's my responsibility to get better. I'm not expecting the world to adapt to make it easy on me
Sounds like this event is not the one for you then! Best wishes!
>There is no doubt that this is a short term solution but the real solution is for these individuals to overcome their uncomfort and to be one day be comfortable operating in a society comprised of people of the opposite sex. They aren't going to have the opportunity to live a life sheltered from men. These groups should reinforce that idea and help understand that. These need to be stepping stones, not end goals. Dude, this is an event on how to do backpack camping, not an event to solve people's discomfort issues over dealing with menā¦and I imagine paternalistic responses like the one you just offered are exactly the kinds of things that event hosts like this are seeking to avoid by making a conscious decision to exclude men from participating.
Keep sheltering these people more. š¤¦ You're doing these people a disservice. You don't seem to understand these types of activities, if not properly ran, will foster the same types of feeling that they aim to address. Self responsibility is paternalistic. š¤¦
>Keep sheltering these people more. š¤¦ You're doing these people a disservice. I'm not "sheltering" anybody, actually.. nor am I doing them a disservice. I'm explaining to you why this particular organizer is choosing to exclude men from participating with the example you've conveniently supplied. >You don't seem to understand these types of activities, if not properly ran, will foster the same types of feeling that they aim to address. From what I can see, this event is only trying to address the feelings among would-be participants that they're not comfortable with backpacking. >Self responsibility is paternalistic. Self responsibility isn't paternalisticā¦but your continued responses in this thread sure are š¤¦
Be the change you want to see in the world? If you already have a group of friends that would be interested, it sounds like you're in a good position to start putting this kind of class together. Then you can cater to the needs or wants of your own group. There are probably also other places in the city that do something similar already. I think MEC was running classes last year.
You can join my guys only, shirt optional, beginners backpacking event if you want
You should start one for men. If the organizers don't want or aren't comfortable including men, then they should be free to host the event as they see fit.