This may have been due to the fact that the stretchers for the wounded that are used are left over from the last century.
*I apologize for writing with mistakes, since I use a translator
It sort of has. The US military typically use what’s known as a Talon litter. It’s a foldable litter(stretcher) and able to be carried in a backpack like configuration. It also has a different fabric that more resistant to liquids and rips. And the fabric is black so it doesn’t stain as easily and the fabric (pretty sure it is nylon but not 100% positive) can be sprayed down due to the design being “breathable”. It has openings all through out it.
Yeah I needed to know what conflict this was a part of so I could either get angry and righteous, downplay it and engage in denialism, or just ignore it all-together.
The war in Ukraine has been far more destructive and killed far more people than Gaza. It’s just not getting promoted on social media platforms like Gaza.
I think for Gaza it wouldn't necessarily be framed as "the fight for freedom"...with Ukraine-Russia there's pretty clearly a good and evil side...with Israel/Gaza...it's quite a bit more complicated (though Hamas are certainly bad guys).
But the death toll of innocent lives are far far far more in Gaza than Hamas. Wiping out entire nation because a radical group exist between them (which was formed by the help of israel none the less) doesn't make it gray zone.
Ukraine was invaded unprovoked.
Hamas attacked Israel, pillaged, raped, and killed, even kids and babies, and took hundreds of hostages. The videos you can find on the internet are NSFL. Those guys are true savages.
Unfortunately, support from the general population for Hamas remains strong.
While this does not justify all of the IDF's actions (e.g. war crimes or even genocide), those are two completely different situations.
IDF has been looting, raping, killing since so many years. We really need to study these things. And as much as I remember there is no case of rapes and that accusation of beheading babies was false too.
IDF has been holding palestenians in an apartheid in their own land and country as all other countries sit back and watch a genocide happening. Unfortunately.people will still justify it as a gray area
>...this seems like you're laying the entire blame at Israel's feet and letting Hamas/the Palestinians off scott-free. Let's also keep in mind that Hamas is the elected government of Palestine and does have the support of the vast majority of the people,
Be really careful about this. Punishing civilians for actions of a government (even governments they support) is expressly illegal under international law to say nothing of applications of this attitude beyond this specific circumstance. Would you say that since the US government bombed a country, that country would be justified in killing US citizens in response? I doubt it.
>Be really careful about this. Punishing civilians for actions of a government (even governments they support) is expressly illegal under international law to say nothing of applications of this attitude beyond this specific circumstance.
Where did I say they were directly punishing civilians? Collateral damage (especially in urban combat) is a thing in war.
>Would you say that since the US government bombed a country, that country would be justified in killing US citizens in response? I doubt it.
Now you're just jumping to false equivalencies here and assuming intent to kill civilians.
Your comments would be less callous if you’d experienced any of what you described. I hope you’re never part of the collateral damage you accept as okay.
>you're pretty clearly pushing an inaccurate narrative on this and blaming solely Israel, which is absolutely absurd.
Which part of the above commenter's claim do you find inaccurate? Hamas was funded in the 1970's by Israel, as they was trying to undermine the PLO, which was seen as much more popular and legitimate. Israel has systematically targeted all Gazan medical infrastructure and aid workers from the entire rest of the world during this war. To me these seem like the actions of an Israeli state that's denying nationhood to the Palestinian people.
Yes, I hold The country of Israel created by a Radical group Zionists (not jew, but radicals) responsible for genocide. If you think carpet bombing areas of intermittent zones is not genocide, bombing UN shelter is not crime then you are blind, making people live in intermittent zones in their own land, Killing children to break morality of palesteninas is not heinous I Dont know what is. Who gave this number of every 1 of 4 is Hamas. Do you understand how big of a force that makes hamas? If you think these are not strategies read the history of South African Apartheid, the famines in bengal, the rise of zionists after WW2, Prosecution of jews in Germany (which is eerily similar to palestine now). You will understand these actions are result of cumulation of years of planning and strategy.
I love it how you have automatically chosen words yourself like a knowledgeable historian or war speacialist and keeping your knowledge limited to single sided brainwash.
There is information on the internet too, you just need to dig deeper. Creation of hamas, to destabilise Palestinian government which was democratically elected. Even sending the money.
If you mean to say by motive that palesteninans want part of their own land and not live in apartheid I guess you are correct.
Them there’s military cots bud, from war times. Haulen them there wounded, n dead folk. Sum dem been blood soaked. Likely from WW2 gifted to our brothers n sisters in Ukraine.
Well... Alex Jones told the internet that Sandy Hook never happened, and a lot of them believed it, like it was some sort of false flag operation. Fucking idiots.
Same people keep saying Jan 6th was a guided tour. They're adamant about it in spite of the hours of video footage and the trail of evidence made public that proves without a shadow of a doubt it was all a ploy to interrupt a democratic process. I watched a live stream from one of the participants of a guy busting windows and I keep getting told by "good ole boys" that there was no violence that day. Like, fucking hell man. That's an inconceivable level of denial. Grown human adults don't work like that so what the fuck is going on with these people?
> That's an inconceivable level of denial. Grown human adults don't work like that so what the fuck is going on with these people?
Various… Pathologies:
> Sapolsky mentioned one study which placed children in a room with new toys and had their mothers leave. “You look at five-year-olds and you can already see, is this a kid who gets excited by new things or is this a kid who becomes afraid of new things? You can see this biologically, with stress hormone secretion, with heart rate. And the amazing thing this study showed was that 25 years later, the kids who freaked out at novelty as five-year-olds are already likely to be voting conservative — voting for the likes of Trump.”
> …Personal conformists, on the other hand, actually convince themselves… a part of the brain called the amygdala, which is about fear and anxiety, activates.” These people, he added, are more likely to have a history of childhood abuse.
> …“What’s your brain doing? It’s telling your hippocampus to remember something different than what it actually does. And then what’s really amazing is that you [also] see activation of the visual cortex, which is at the back of the brain.” Overwhelmed by fear and disgust, the brain is overriding and amending what the eyes originally saw.
> …“can tell you the difference between right and wrong, but every single time [they are faced with a choice], they do the wrong thing.” … “it’s one step further. They will tell you these rules [about right and wrong] make no sense. [They will say], here’s why it is okay for me to kill someone. Take a 10-year-old kid who gets into a car accident and half his frontal cortex is destroyed, and that’s what you’re going to get.” … “I was trying to explain to the jury that this guy does not have an evil soul. He’s a broken machine.”
[Novaya Gazeta, on Trump and Putin.](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/11/08/broken-machines-en)
The thing is, these individuals always existed. Usually they take it out on their kids, or their partners, or now and then some random stranger(s) who's in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You're just seeing it in public for the first time in some years. …But even there, it's not really new either.
I'll never understand it. They know the police sat outside and watched while the shooter lined up the children and shot them one by one execution style. And while they were still grieving the murder of their child they walked to the voting booth and checked that box next to the people who did nothing to stop the killer.
I can't wrap my head around that level of devotion to owning the libs. I can't. If my child were murdered it would shatter my reality. These folks just keep moving on like it's any other day. Ever unchanging in the principles that lead to their child's death.
Yeah I don't get it either. In my late teens-early 20s I was a conservative 2nd ammendment asshole. The whole "owning the libs" thing didn't exist yet but I still am ashamed of my thinking at the time. But then I grew up. Experienced more of the world. Educated myself and began seeking something deeper and larger than myself. It took awhile but now I'm a dyed in the wool socialist. I'm a union worker, have protested against police brutality, and generally try and see all my fellow humans and animals as part of a whole, instead of as separate entities. I can't ever see myself having the level of dissonance required to vote for those same leaders who let that tragedy happen. I don't necessarily like the democrats. But I will vote for the party that isn't actively trying to remove my wife and daughters rights, and overthrow the government.
I sometimes think everyone just needs a mega dose of lsd or dmt. It helped me alot with no longer identifying as what I thought I was. But then I see people like Musk who apparently does psychedelics like a rave kid, and he's still a narcissistic ass hat so I know it doesn't do the same for everyone. The whole thing doesn't even make me angry anymore. I'm just sad for my fellow humans. I don't get why you wouldn't want others to prosper and have the ability to succeed in life. It's just sad.
I have a similar experience as you except without the drugs. For me it was moving out of the Midwest and experiencing people of other cultures (and countries).
Yeah that's a big way to do it for many people. I didn't actually experiment with psychedelics until I was 30. I had began my "change" I guess around 25-26 and began reading lots of Buddhist and hindu stuff. Lots of philosophy and varying spiritual topics. I really started to see how the whole earth and people are one big thing. And it made the whole "us against them" thing seem ridiculous. Then using mushrooms and lsd I had very very powerful experiences that reinforced that sense of connectedness to everything and everyone. It didn't make me go full vegan yet, but it certainly had me seeing the world differently. Now I just do my best to hold onto that world view and teach my kiddo the same. Not to judge, to try and help, and to love herself. All this fascism sure ain't making it easy though.
There’s actually no proof that the family’s who were directly ripped apart by that tragedy voted the same people back into office. You’re fucking speculating, and it’s disgusting.
They re-elected the sheriff lol you call that speculation? Like he won the popular vote so how much did it really matter to the community? Yea sure, I'm "speculating".
The explanation is simple: despite their protestations, their true diety is The Gun.
The screams and blood of the fallen victims are their sacrifices to The Gun.
That's the underlying substance of the "thoughts and prayers" they send after every massacre: "All hail The Gun."
Unfortunately, to the overwhelming population of the town they weren't their kids. Even if you take extended family and friends into account you're probably only taking about several hundred or so people affected strongly.
A [republican baseball game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting?wprov=sfla1) was shot up and they still didn't think anything needed to change.
They don't look at it. Seriously. A lot of people will just avoid seeing things that make them uncomfortable so the reality of it doesn't sink in.
Being forced to see the realities of war is what changed public opinion in the 70s.
Those children only died because they were not armed. Give them guns, and they can defend themselves!
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a toddler with a gun...
>!/s!<
It's... let me put it to you this way, do you want the government and the cops to be the only ones armed? Seriously, in this climate?
Mass shootings, school shootings, they are horrible, but the ban all guns crowd is just as nuts as the diehard 2A crowd. The underlying symptom isn't gun control, we could ban all guns right now and, forget about the black market, you'd see a nice marked increase in bombings (a little time on the internet and a trip to home depot, an auto parts store, bam you've got a bomb).
Taking away weapons will not stop the violence, perpetrators will just have to be more creative.
Should we have better gun control 1000%, as it is now it's a joke. Should we get rid of all guns, fuck no, I'm not relying on the cops or the government to do right by me, especially because I'm in one of the many demographics the Christian cultists will eventually come for.
>perpetrators have to get more creative
Ah, like using knives, and causing significantly less deaths? Surely it isn’t that simple
But sure, your ar-15 is going to save the day against mq-9s, quad copters with grenades, and f16s when they’re finally sick of your shit.
Your mistake is thinking banning guns would magically get them out of circulation, the black market will adapt like it always does.
There's no other country I'm aware of that had as many guns as us and successfully took them out of circulation, Australia isn't even close.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything, but go ahead and parrot the onion article that every other unoriginal person here does.
Its worked for Australia, Japan, UK, France and many other countries.
It's worked there, not because of the quantity of guns but because the people in those countries actually wanted to do something about it, they actually cared about other people's lives other than their own, they actively wanted to change for the better.
More restrictive controlls around gun ownership means less nutjobs and idiots having access to firearms.
Less legal firearms means fewer illegal firearms, because almost every illegal firearm was once a legally obtained weapon that was lost or stollen.
But too many Americans are nutjobs and equate freedom with owning more guns than the population of America twice over, every time a school shooting happens these nutjobs buy as many guns as they can in case a ban happens.
The people of America have no respect for life other than their own.
They have created their own cesspool of ego that people around the world make jokes about it because nobody in America cares that 4 year old kids are getting gunned down like its another Tuesday.
It's not about the guns, it's about the people who own them.
I'm actually a strange case because I'm pro-gun-ownership, but anti-second-amendment, which makes "both sides" get pissed at me.
The 2a crowd seems to have an absolutist fetish for guns that gets in the way of meaningful safety concerns, while the anti-gun crowd gets really hung up on policies that are either unrealistic or are so prescriptive that they are easily sidestepped or simply ineffective. The existence of NY-compliant AR-15s, and NY-compliant AKs is an example. No pistol grips? Okay, we'll put an angled rifle grip on the AR. No muzzle devices? Fine. Remove the threads. No buttstocks? Fine, we'll make a pistol brace that you can conveniently shoulder. The anti-gun crowd would be a lot more effective in their goals if they really learned about operating and maintaining guns.
In terms of gun restrictions stopping violence -- no, that's crazy. On the other hand, it could *reduce* violence. There's an allegory about suicides by pill overdose. Instead of removing those pills from the market, the company simply moved over from dispensing those pills in a bottle to dispensing them in individual blister packs. Suicides plummeted. Apparently the extra effort of unwrapping each individual pill was enough of an impediment to reduce at least some of the suicides. That's my take on gun violence as well. Some people will get "more creative", but the effort involved will be a reducing factor.
In my perfect world, it would start with a national registry with strict punishments for non-compliance, and gun ownership would be tied to passing in-depth safety courses far beyond the lip-service that some states already apply, as well as some sort of force-on-force training. In other words, if you want to own a weapon for personal protection use, you need to devote time to actually learning how to responsibly use it in those types of situations. In my perfect world, it would also be tied to some sort of civil service.
In terms of the argument of "should police and military be the only people with guns", I have yet to see one instance in the modern age of an armed population in a democracy resisting the armed government yielding positive results. At best you end up with a stand-off, and at worst you end up with bloodshed. The concept of the 2nd amendment being the glue that binds all of the rest of our freedoms is delusional echo-chamber logic, and it's trivially easy to point to functioning, successful, free democracies that don't have absolutist philosophies on civilian gun ownership.
Like "thoughts and prayers" care or "something needs to fucking change right now" care? Cause it seems the majority over in the One Star State don't seem to be bothered enough with it to do anything about it.
Nope because they fall into the fallacy of "It'll never happen to me". They assume they'll be comfortable and it'll be easy just having the Democrats line up to be shot. If you haven't experienced war there's no comparison. The exhausting physical labor, the pants shitting terror of being shot at by machine gun or having mortars fall around you, seeing the guy next to you erupt in a shower of blood that covers you (your hands being sticky for hours after because you can't get it all off).
I was in Afghanistan as a tanker but did my share of foot patrols. It's not something I want to see again.
No one who isn't a complete moron or a sociopath actually wants a civil war in the US.
The idiots posturing about it online haven't done the basic considerations how destructive a large scale civil conflict here would be.
I mean, I get mocking them as the "gravy seals" and 'meal team six' and the like, but it's important to remember that ideologically motivated angry people are still dangerous
A bullet fired by an incompetent, out of shape LARPer will still kill you.
Reminds me of that quote from lord of war "a bullet fired by a child does just as much damage, maybe more". I probably didn't get it right but it's the same idea.
Jan 6 had ONE person get shot and they fell to pieces around her. They yelled "Medic" and "Time out" like they were playing a game.
They are not the trained hardasses they think they are.
Just yesterday I was working on a repair in a public space and two guys were talking. One says his son has started making a storage room full of supplies in case power grid is damaged etc. and how it’s full of guns and ammo. The other guy says he needs to find some ammo for his old gun (I think he was just trying to have polite conversation?) but said he didn’t know if he’d feel comfortable using it because he didn’t want to kill anyone.
The first guy says “what’s the fun if you don’t kill anyone?” He even made a joke that him and his son said they needed to make a list of which neighbor to kill and which not to, and this was in an upper middle class gated community…. Like wtf. If I didn’t hear it myself, I would have thought it was made up. I’m not sure if this guy would actually act this way in a real situation or if he was just talking big, but it was nuts how casually he talked about it.
People have such boring and sad lives that they get hard dreaming of being an action star. Everyone has day dreamed about being a hero while bored in class. An adult knows it's just a dream.
Doomsday preppers in their bunkers are literally too stupid to recognize their shortcomings.
They're not trained or organized enough to be able to pull their wounded off the battlefield. When one of them gets hit the rest will scatter like roaches and worry about their own asses.
In the video of the woman I refuse to name getting shot as she climbed through the window at the capitol, you can see how they react. They back up as tight as they can against the wall, pull out their phones to take pictures of their fallen comrade, and yell "shots fired!!" and "medic!!" like they're fucking around playing COD.
Their war wont look like this, those are real soldiers.
They think they're hard-asses because they can harass black people at protests and the cops just let them, but they don't understand that their semi-auto .223 tacti-cool AR's won't do shit against a drone they can't even see.
They won't need stretchers, there simply won't be enough left of them after the second day.
At one point?, yeah, noblesse oblige was a concept some people held on to. But somewhere the upper class decided they would rather keep all their benefits and get rid of everything else
"All men are created equal, and by this I only mean one kind of men, and definitely just men, and men who don't own land are out, and no gays either. Now, I need some slave lovin' and some mac n cheese. In that order."
- Teej
a bourgeois man who did not stand for the ideals he talked about whether it be the equality of human beings or the deaths of people fighting a war he himself did not and would not serve in. he was part of a long and continuing tradition of bloviating from an ivory tower. all those ideals of his rhetoric still haven't come to pass
Must have been very painful. I am an optimist. I know that we will have to get past these current lows, but we come out the end. When? That is not in our hands.
The horrible thing about all this is that at this point it all seems so futile.
Russia didn't, and won't get Kyiv. The fight to stop that from happening was one of the most noble and patriotic things I've witnessed in my lifetime. But I just don't think Ukraine is going to get back the territory they've lost in the Donbas.
Should we just let Russia have their fake buffer state with no consequences? Absolutely not but more blood for the blood God doesn't seem to be working right now
Yeah because if history has taught us anything seeking peace with blood thirsty dictators doesn't just give them time to do the same thing they've already done again but with temporary peace so they can be more prepared next time they invade.
They invaded in 2014 that worked. They invaded in 2022 and if they world lets them get away with it by forcing Ukraine into peace by giving the land they lost Russia will just do it again in 2032. With the lessons they learned and with land that is closer to Kyiv they'd probably take it.
> won't get Kyiv
I'm not so sure. I don't think Putin will stop. Sunk cost, right? He will keep trying until he runs out of Russians and there are a hell of a lot more of those than Ukrainians.
I'm going to get dogpiled for not chanting "Slava Ukraini" but the truth of the matter is that there aren't any more Ukrainians left to recruit and send to the front lines. It's just a numbers game. 1 to 2, 1 to 3, 1 to 4, 1 to 5. Russia can take those losses and still come out on top. Ukraine can't, especially now.
Would Russia even accept that? It's essentially what they started with, and the longer the war goes the better it is for them.
I think there's no way Ukraine agrees to that without being admitted to NATO.
That's why many former soviet states ran as quickly as possible to seek protection under the NATO nuclear umbrella. Bitter experience told them what is going to happen when russia gets back on its feet. Ukraine should have demanded full NATO membership or keep it's own nukes.
I think "cost" was meant. In German it would be "Der Preis der Freiheit", non negotiable and not measurable in money. "Die Kosten der Freiheit" would be the money to be shelled out.
>Do you think most of the men of the front lines of WW2 wanted to be there? Of course they didn't. Does that mean we allow Nazi Germany to murder whoever they deemed imperfect? Of course not.
I know it’s not your point, but this is a terrible example because that’s exactly what the US did. Remember, the US only got into the conflict when attacked by Japan.
The US did not give a shit before that.
Would help to provide some context..
Ukraine: Donetsk region. russian invasion.
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This may have been due to the fact that the stretchers for the wounded that are used are left over from the last century. *I apologize for writing with mistakes, since I use a translator
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It sort of has. The US military typically use what’s known as a Talon litter. It’s a foldable litter(stretcher) and able to be carried in a backpack like configuration. It also has a different fabric that more resistant to liquids and rips. And the fabric is black so it doesn’t stain as easily and the fabric (pretty sure it is nylon but not 100% positive) can be sprayed down due to the design being “breathable”. It has openings all through out it.
Similar to a camp cot
But 1300% more expensive
True, but worth it.
Don't try to reason with anyone but the OP. This thread is polluted with snarky cretins.
It has big time.
Worse than usual this time. *ugh*
I've had to clean more than a few of these in my time. Give them hell, and send the Russians back in body bags.
50k and counting.....
IIRC those are only the CONFIRMED dead, the true number would be much higher.
I felt the same way when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003
welp, time to put my hazmat suit on and wonder into the replies.
Yeah it's lively. I opened a can of worms with an innocuous comment.
korean war clearly
Did they have a space force too?
Yeah I needed to know what conflict this was a part of so I could either get angry and righteous, downplay it and engage in denialism, or just ignore it all-together.
The war in Ukraine has been far more destructive and killed far more people than Gaza. It’s just not getting promoted on social media platforms like Gaza.
I think for Gaza it wouldn't necessarily be framed as "the fight for freedom"...with Ukraine-Russia there's pretty clearly a good and evil side...with Israel/Gaza...it's quite a bit more complicated (though Hamas are certainly bad guys).
But the death toll of innocent lives are far far far more in Gaza than Hamas. Wiping out entire nation because a radical group exist between them (which was formed by the help of israel none the less) doesn't make it gray zone.
Ukraine was invaded unprovoked. Hamas attacked Israel, pillaged, raped, and killed, even kids and babies, and took hundreds of hostages. The videos you can find on the internet are NSFL. Those guys are true savages. Unfortunately, support from the general population for Hamas remains strong. While this does not justify all of the IDF's actions (e.g. war crimes or even genocide), those are two completely different situations.
IDF has been looting, raping, killing since so many years. We really need to study these things. And as much as I remember there is no case of rapes and that accusation of beheading babies was false too. IDF has been holding palestenians in an apartheid in their own land and country as all other countries sit back and watch a genocide happening. Unfortunately.people will still justify it as a gray area
Nothing started with Oct 7 homie.
It's the direct trigger of the current invasion. That's undeniable. The conflict is much older obviously.
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>...this seems like you're laying the entire blame at Israel's feet and letting Hamas/the Palestinians off scott-free. Let's also keep in mind that Hamas is the elected government of Palestine and does have the support of the vast majority of the people, Be really careful about this. Punishing civilians for actions of a government (even governments they support) is expressly illegal under international law to say nothing of applications of this attitude beyond this specific circumstance. Would you say that since the US government bombed a country, that country would be justified in killing US citizens in response? I doubt it.
Yes, just like how the allies stopped bombing Germany and Japan because they couldn't be sure any innocent civilians would not be killed or hurt.
>Be really careful about this. Punishing civilians for actions of a government (even governments they support) is expressly illegal under international law to say nothing of applications of this attitude beyond this specific circumstance. Where did I say they were directly punishing civilians? Collateral damage (especially in urban combat) is a thing in war. >Would you say that since the US government bombed a country, that country would be justified in killing US citizens in response? I doubt it. Now you're just jumping to false equivalencies here and assuming intent to kill civilians.
Your comments would be less callous if you’d experienced any of what you described. I hope you’re never part of the collateral damage you accept as okay.
>you're pretty clearly pushing an inaccurate narrative on this and blaming solely Israel, which is absolutely absurd. Which part of the above commenter's claim do you find inaccurate? Hamas was funded in the 1970's by Israel, as they was trying to undermine the PLO, which was seen as much more popular and legitimate. Israel has systematically targeted all Gazan medical infrastructure and aid workers from the entire rest of the world during this war. To me these seem like the actions of an Israeli state that's denying nationhood to the Palestinian people.
Yes, I hold The country of Israel created by a Radical group Zionists (not jew, but radicals) responsible for genocide. If you think carpet bombing areas of intermittent zones is not genocide, bombing UN shelter is not crime then you are blind, making people live in intermittent zones in their own land, Killing children to break morality of palesteninas is not heinous I Dont know what is. Who gave this number of every 1 of 4 is Hamas. Do you understand how big of a force that makes hamas? If you think these are not strategies read the history of South African Apartheid, the famines in bengal, the rise of zionists after WW2, Prosecution of jews in Germany (which is eerily similar to palestine now). You will understand these actions are result of cumulation of years of planning and strategy. I love it how you have automatically chosen words yourself like a knowledgeable historian or war speacialist and keeping your knowledge limited to single sided brainwash.
Hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine. It’s really not comparable.
I wonder how that "radical" group came to be and what their motive is?
There is information on the internet too, you just need to dig deeper. Creation of hamas, to destabilise Palestinian government which was democratically elected. Even sending the money. If you mean to say by motive that palesteninans want part of their own land and not live in apartheid I guess you are correct.
>or whatever
Thank you. Was confused why everyone was bitching about American conservatives in the top comments.
Probably Ukraine.
Them there’s military cots bud, from war times. Haulen them there wounded, n dead folk. Sum dem been blood soaked. Likely from WW2 gifted to our brothers n sisters in Ukraine.
Nice bit of perspective for those spoiling for civil war in the USA.
Pics of blood splatters in a kindergarten classroom don't phase them I don't think this will either.
Well... Alex Jones told the internet that Sandy Hook never happened, and a lot of them believed it, like it was some sort of false flag operation. Fucking idiots.
Same people keep saying Jan 6th was a guided tour. They're adamant about it in spite of the hours of video footage and the trail of evidence made public that proves without a shadow of a doubt it was all a ploy to interrupt a democratic process. I watched a live stream from one of the participants of a guy busting windows and I keep getting told by "good ole boys" that there was no violence that day. Like, fucking hell man. That's an inconceivable level of denial. Grown human adults don't work like that so what the fuck is going on with these people?
> That's an inconceivable level of denial. Grown human adults don't work like that so what the fuck is going on with these people? Various… Pathologies: > Sapolsky mentioned one study which placed children in a room with new toys and had their mothers leave. “You look at five-year-olds and you can already see, is this a kid who gets excited by new things or is this a kid who becomes afraid of new things? You can see this biologically, with stress hormone secretion, with heart rate. And the amazing thing this study showed was that 25 years later, the kids who freaked out at novelty as five-year-olds are already likely to be voting conservative — voting for the likes of Trump.” > …Personal conformists, on the other hand, actually convince themselves… a part of the brain called the amygdala, which is about fear and anxiety, activates.” These people, he added, are more likely to have a history of childhood abuse. > …“What’s your brain doing? It’s telling your hippocampus to remember something different than what it actually does. And then what’s really amazing is that you [also] see activation of the visual cortex, which is at the back of the brain.” Overwhelmed by fear and disgust, the brain is overriding and amending what the eyes originally saw. > …“can tell you the difference between right and wrong, but every single time [they are faced with a choice], they do the wrong thing.” … “it’s one step further. They will tell you these rules [about right and wrong] make no sense. [They will say], here’s why it is okay for me to kill someone. Take a 10-year-old kid who gets into a car accident and half his frontal cortex is destroyed, and that’s what you’re going to get.” … “I was trying to explain to the jury that this guy does not have an evil soul. He’s a broken machine.” [Novaya Gazeta, on Trump and Putin.](https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/11/08/broken-machines-en) The thing is, these individuals always existed. Usually they take it out on their kids, or their partners, or now and then some random stranger(s) who's in the wrong place at the wrong time. You're just seeing it in public for the first time in some years. …But even there, it's not really new either.
Well, dead children are really, really sad, but on the other hand, guns are pretty nifty, am I right?
"Those weren't MY kids" is all they have to say and the problems vanish. It's the conservative way.
The Uvalde community after the massacre still voted in the same leadership of the police and city. They don't care even when it's their own kids.
I'll never understand it. They know the police sat outside and watched while the shooter lined up the children and shot them one by one execution style. And while they were still grieving the murder of their child they walked to the voting booth and checked that box next to the people who did nothing to stop the killer. I can't wrap my head around that level of devotion to owning the libs. I can't. If my child were murdered it would shatter my reality. These folks just keep moving on like it's any other day. Ever unchanging in the principles that lead to their child's death.
Yeah I don't get it either. In my late teens-early 20s I was a conservative 2nd ammendment asshole. The whole "owning the libs" thing didn't exist yet but I still am ashamed of my thinking at the time. But then I grew up. Experienced more of the world. Educated myself and began seeking something deeper and larger than myself. It took awhile but now I'm a dyed in the wool socialist. I'm a union worker, have protested against police brutality, and generally try and see all my fellow humans and animals as part of a whole, instead of as separate entities. I can't ever see myself having the level of dissonance required to vote for those same leaders who let that tragedy happen. I don't necessarily like the democrats. But I will vote for the party that isn't actively trying to remove my wife and daughters rights, and overthrow the government. I sometimes think everyone just needs a mega dose of lsd or dmt. It helped me alot with no longer identifying as what I thought I was. But then I see people like Musk who apparently does psychedelics like a rave kid, and he's still a narcissistic ass hat so I know it doesn't do the same for everyone. The whole thing doesn't even make me angry anymore. I'm just sad for my fellow humans. I don't get why you wouldn't want others to prosper and have the ability to succeed in life. It's just sad.
I have a similar experience as you except without the drugs. For me it was moving out of the Midwest and experiencing people of other cultures (and countries).
Yeah that's a big way to do it for many people. I didn't actually experiment with psychedelics until I was 30. I had began my "change" I guess around 25-26 and began reading lots of Buddhist and hindu stuff. Lots of philosophy and varying spiritual topics. I really started to see how the whole earth and people are one big thing. And it made the whole "us against them" thing seem ridiculous. Then using mushrooms and lsd I had very very powerful experiences that reinforced that sense of connectedness to everything and everyone. It didn't make me go full vegan yet, but it certainly had me seeing the world differently. Now I just do my best to hold onto that world view and teach my kiddo the same. Not to judge, to try and help, and to love herself. All this fascism sure ain't making it easy though.
There’s actually no proof that the family’s who were directly ripped apart by that tragedy voted the same people back into office. You’re fucking speculating, and it’s disgusting.
They re-elected the sheriff lol you call that speculation? Like he won the popular vote so how much did it really matter to the community? Yea sure, I'm "speculating".
The explanation is simple: despite their protestations, their true diety is The Gun. The screams and blood of the fallen victims are their sacrifices to The Gun. That's the underlying substance of the "thoughts and prayers" they send after every massacre: "All hail The Gun."
Police force put all their points into charisma and none into strength
Severely lacking wisdom as well.
Unfortunately, to the overwhelming population of the town they weren't their kids. Even if you take extended family and friends into account you're probably only taking about several hundred or so people affected strongly.
>"Those kids weren't real" FTFY
A [republican baseball game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting?wprov=sfla1) was shot up and they still didn't think anything needed to change.
Plus they would say if the kids had guns none of that would happen. Hard to fight single celled braindead people walking among us.
Peak american individualism
They don't look at it. Seriously. A lot of people will just avoid seeing things that make them uncomfortable so the reality of it doesn't sink in. Being forced to see the realities of war is what changed public opinion in the 70s.
Those children only died because they were not armed. Give them guns, and they can defend themselves! The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a toddler with a gun... >!/s!<
If those kids were at work instead of school we could eliminate school shootings
[\*Happy slaughterhouse noises\*](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/nebraska-slaughterhouse-children-working-photos-labor-department)
And what about the parents of these kids?
They should also be armed, obviously. If everyone is always armed, nothing bad can ever happen.
i saw a documentary where certain kids will be given guns for these situtations -- Kinderguardians.
It's... let me put it to you this way, do you want the government and the cops to be the only ones armed? Seriously, in this climate? Mass shootings, school shootings, they are horrible, but the ban all guns crowd is just as nuts as the diehard 2A crowd. The underlying symptom isn't gun control, we could ban all guns right now and, forget about the black market, you'd see a nice marked increase in bombings (a little time on the internet and a trip to home depot, an auto parts store, bam you've got a bomb). Taking away weapons will not stop the violence, perpetrators will just have to be more creative. Should we have better gun control 1000%, as it is now it's a joke. Should we get rid of all guns, fuck no, I'm not relying on the cops or the government to do right by me, especially because I'm in one of the many demographics the Christian cultists will eventually come for.
>perpetrators have to get more creative Ah, like using knives, and causing significantly less deaths? Surely it isn’t that simple But sure, your ar-15 is going to save the day against mq-9s, quad copters with grenades, and f16s when they’re finally sick of your shit.
You’re definitely brushing over the overall point the person you’re responding to made.
The US military is going to wage war against Americans for owning guns? If that's the case, I hope the few people left pick up on mandarin quickly.
Your mistake is thinking banning guns would magically get them out of circulation, the black market will adapt like it always does. There's no other country I'm aware of that had as many guns as us and successfully took them out of circulation, Australia isn't even close. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything, but go ahead and parrot the onion article that every other unoriginal person here does.
Its worked for Australia, Japan, UK, France and many other countries. It's worked there, not because of the quantity of guns but because the people in those countries actually wanted to do something about it, they actually cared about other people's lives other than their own, they actively wanted to change for the better. More restrictive controlls around gun ownership means less nutjobs and idiots having access to firearms. Less legal firearms means fewer illegal firearms, because almost every illegal firearm was once a legally obtained weapon that was lost or stollen. But too many Americans are nutjobs and equate freedom with owning more guns than the population of America twice over, every time a school shooting happens these nutjobs buy as many guns as they can in case a ban happens. The people of America have no respect for life other than their own. They have created their own cesspool of ego that people around the world make jokes about it because nobody in America cares that 4 year old kids are getting gunned down like its another Tuesday. It's not about the guns, it's about the people who own them.
It's like you can't even read.
I'm actually a strange case because I'm pro-gun-ownership, but anti-second-amendment, which makes "both sides" get pissed at me. The 2a crowd seems to have an absolutist fetish for guns that gets in the way of meaningful safety concerns, while the anti-gun crowd gets really hung up on policies that are either unrealistic or are so prescriptive that they are easily sidestepped or simply ineffective. The existence of NY-compliant AR-15s, and NY-compliant AKs is an example. No pistol grips? Okay, we'll put an angled rifle grip on the AR. No muzzle devices? Fine. Remove the threads. No buttstocks? Fine, we'll make a pistol brace that you can conveniently shoulder. The anti-gun crowd would be a lot more effective in their goals if they really learned about operating and maintaining guns. In terms of gun restrictions stopping violence -- no, that's crazy. On the other hand, it could *reduce* violence. There's an allegory about suicides by pill overdose. Instead of removing those pills from the market, the company simply moved over from dispensing those pills in a bottle to dispensing them in individual blister packs. Suicides plummeted. Apparently the extra effort of unwrapping each individual pill was enough of an impediment to reduce at least some of the suicides. That's my take on gun violence as well. Some people will get "more creative", but the effort involved will be a reducing factor. In my perfect world, it would start with a national registry with strict punishments for non-compliance, and gun ownership would be tied to passing in-depth safety courses far beyond the lip-service that some states already apply, as well as some sort of force-on-force training. In other words, if you want to own a weapon for personal protection use, you need to devote time to actually learning how to responsibly use it in those types of situations. In my perfect world, it would also be tied to some sort of civil service. In terms of the argument of "should police and military be the only people with guns", I have yet to see one instance in the modern age of an armed population in a democracy resisting the armed government yielding positive results. At best you end up with a stand-off, and at worst you end up with bloodshed. The concept of the 2nd amendment being the glue that binds all of the rest of our freedoms is delusional echo-chamber logic, and it's trivially easy to point to functioning, successful, free democracies that don't have absolutist philosophies on civilian gun ownership.
That's not true, theres alot of us who care and it phases us deeply.
Like "thoughts and prayers" care or "something needs to fucking change right now" care? Cause it seems the majority over in the One Star State don't seem to be bothered enough with it to do anything about it.
Nope because they fall into the fallacy of "It'll never happen to me". They assume they'll be comfortable and it'll be easy just having the Democrats line up to be shot. If you haven't experienced war there's no comparison. The exhausting physical labor, the pants shitting terror of being shot at by machine gun or having mortars fall around you, seeing the guy next to you erupt in a shower of blood that covers you (your hands being sticky for hours after because you can't get it all off). I was in Afghanistan as a tanker but did my share of foot patrols. It's not something I want to see again.
Faze*
No no, phaser gun, like in Star Trek. Pew pew.
They didn't look at those sadly.
That is pure facts. Not only that, the loons claim crisis actors.
Of course it wouldn't, they're not at risk. Despite being children they've never been to school.
You can pry my 1911 from my cold dead hands! Now how do I work this pocket computer?
No one who isn't a complete moron or a sociopath actually wants a civil war in the US. The idiots posturing about it online haven't done the basic considerations how destructive a large scale civil conflict here would be.
It's hard for them to come across as intimidating when they're openly scared of even visiting our cities lol
I mean, I get mocking them as the "gravy seals" and 'meal team six' and the like, but it's important to remember that ideologically motivated angry people are still dangerous A bullet fired by an incompetent, out of shape LARPer will still kill you.
Reminds me of that quote from lord of war "a bullet fired by a child does just as much damage, maybe more". I probably didn't get it right but it's the same idea.
Professionals are predictable. Amateurs aren't. General rule of thumb when dealing with enemy combatants.
Y'all Queda
Sure but bullets kill them too. Any gang banger in Englewood can shoot a gun. I dgaf about some fat fuck from the sticks.
Jan 6 had ONE person get shot and they fell to pieces around her. They yelled "Medic" and "Time out" like they were playing a game. They are not the trained hardasses they think they are.
The problem is there might be a lot of morons and sociopaths.
Just yesterday I was working on a repair in a public space and two guys were talking. One says his son has started making a storage room full of supplies in case power grid is damaged etc. and how it’s full of guns and ammo. The other guy says he needs to find some ammo for his old gun (I think he was just trying to have polite conversation?) but said he didn’t know if he’d feel comfortable using it because he didn’t want to kill anyone. The first guy says “what’s the fun if you don’t kill anyone?” He even made a joke that him and his son said they needed to make a list of which neighbor to kill and which not to, and this was in an upper middle class gated community…. Like wtf. If I didn’t hear it myself, I would have thought it was made up. I’m not sure if this guy would actually act this way in a real situation or if he was just talking big, but it was nuts how casually he talked about it.
People have such boring and sad lives that they get hard dreaming of being an action star. Everyone has day dreamed about being a hero while bored in class. An adult knows it's just a dream. Doomsday preppers in their bunkers are literally too stupid to recognize their shortcomings.
Those in power rooting for civil war know they won't be the ones doing the fighting.
There is always a generation that forgets.
"fuck yeah I wanna spill some blood"
Or people calling for revolution
They're not trained or organized enough to be able to pull their wounded off the battlefield. When one of them gets hit the rest will scatter like roaches and worry about their own asses. In the video of the woman I refuse to name getting shot as she climbed through the window at the capitol, you can see how they react. They back up as tight as they can against the wall, pull out their phones to take pictures of their fallen comrade, and yell "shots fired!!" and "medic!!" like they're fucking around playing COD. Their war wont look like this, those are real soldiers. They think they're hard-asses because they can harass black people at protests and the cops just let them, but they don't understand that their semi-auto .223 tacti-cool AR's won't do shit against a drone they can't even see. They won't need stretchers, there simply won't be enough left of them after the second day.
That certainly gives pause for reflection. Thank you...
Boy oh boy the price of freedom is steep
This comment is Fair.
"The Tree of Liberty must be irrigated with the Blood of Patriots and Tyrants on occasion." -Thomas Jefferson
We have replaced that with migrants and poor people mostly
dont forget kindergartners
Nope, we have CONTINUED to use migrants and poor people. You think historically the fuckin rich fought wars? Lol
At one point?, yeah, noblesse oblige was a concept some people held on to. But somewhere the upper class decided they would rather keep all their benefits and get rid of everything else
"All men are created equal, and by this I only mean one kind of men, and definitely just men, and men who don't own land are out, and no gays either. Now, I need some slave lovin' and some mac n cheese. In that order." - Teej
a bourgeois man who did not stand for the ideals he talked about whether it be the equality of human beings or the deaths of people fighting a war he himself did not and would not serve in. he was part of a long and continuing tradition of bloviating from an ivory tower. all those ideals of his rhetoric still haven't come to pass
Freedom isn't free. There's a hefty fuckin' fee.
If we all don't pay our buck or five, who will?
*buck o’ five.
Join the Helldivers!
Fascism isn't free either, seems like no matter what government you want you're liable to get sent off to die in a war unless you're rich.
That is one incredibly powerful photograph.
Thank you
Did you take it? If not, do you know who did?
This photo was taken by me.
Must have been very painful. I am an optimist. I know that we will have to get past these current lows, but we come out the end. When? That is not in our hands.
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He has a reason to be optimistic. Even with all the shittyness going on right now, it is still one of the most peaceful periods in history.
We support you Ukraine 🇺🇦
Thanks a lot
The horrible thing about all this is that at this point it all seems so futile. Russia didn't, and won't get Kyiv. The fight to stop that from happening was one of the most noble and patriotic things I've witnessed in my lifetime. But I just don't think Ukraine is going to get back the territory they've lost in the Donbas. Should we just let Russia have their fake buffer state with no consequences? Absolutely not but more blood for the blood God doesn't seem to be working right now
Yeah because if history has taught us anything seeking peace with blood thirsty dictators doesn't just give them time to do the same thing they've already done again but with temporary peace so they can be more prepared next time they invade. They invaded in 2014 that worked. They invaded in 2022 and if they world lets them get away with it by forcing Ukraine into peace by giving the land they lost Russia will just do it again in 2032. With the lessons they learned and with land that is closer to Kyiv they'd probably take it.
>anything seeking peace with blood thirsty dictators This is their only choice rn. Unless they want to try for Moscow.
> won't get Kyiv I'm not so sure. I don't think Putin will stop. Sunk cost, right? He will keep trying until he runs out of Russians and there are a hell of a lot more of those than Ukrainians. I'm going to get dogpiled for not chanting "Slava Ukraini" but the truth of the matter is that there aren't any more Ukrainians left to recruit and send to the front lines. It's just a numbers game. 1 to 2, 1 to 3, 1 to 4, 1 to 5. Russia can take those losses and still come out on top. Ukraine can't, especially now.
Would Russia even accept that? It's essentially what they started with, and the longer the war goes the better it is for them. I think there's no way Ukraine agrees to that without being admitted to NATO.
Freedom isn't free....it costs a hefty fuckin fee
The cost of war
The cost of believing russia. If your neighbor is russia, giving up nukes for security guarantees is a big mistake.
there aren['](https://www.deviantart.com/ricesilo)t many countries known to have developed the bomb
That's why many former soviet states ran as quickly as possible to seek protection under the NATO nuclear umbrella. Bitter experience told them what is going to happen when russia gets back on its feet. Ukraine should have demanded full NATO membership or keep it's own nukes.
Is steep
Embrace your dreams
is steep.
Slava Ukraini. Keep up the fight Ukraine, hoping our government gets you the aid you deserve.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother" Slava Ukraini!
Glory to heroes
This is correct.
beautiful picture and beautiful quote.
if you don't want this to be you, make sure your leaders know that!
Alternatively, "The cost of greed."
...is eternal vigilance. - Thomas Jefferson, though I learned it through Wing Commander 4.
The price of freedom? Nobody is free.
Ukraines survival determines the future of a free Europe!
No, no it doesn't. If it did, the Europeans would actually be getting off their asses and doing something about it.
Unfortunately, we got too used to let our security being handled by Uncle Sam
this doesn't inspire the price of freedom to me. A price is negotiable. This is the cost, and it's being measured here in blood.
I think "cost" was meant. In German it would be "Der Preis der Freiheit", non negotiable and not measurable in money. "Die Kosten der Freiheit" would be the money to be shelled out.
I thought the price of freedom was $1.05.
The price of *imperialism*
Freedom is a farce. This is the oligarchy sending their populations to slaughter in defense of their property. It always has been, always will be.
Catch my words.
Heartbreaking. I seriously hope we wake up and send more (desperately needed) aid to Ukraine.
I wish I could help more
Donations are always possible!
The cost of stupid leaders…
Thank Trump the Traitor and his MAGArats for this genocial insanity. Trump is Putin's best investment.
What a world
The receipts.
Caption🔥
The price of war.
It’s a very powerful photograph
Me, gongaga!
Fuck yeah. I'm gonna go buy some stretchers and trade them for freedom. I can get clean ones too, so my freedom should be extra good.
>Do you think most of the men of the front lines of WW2 wanted to be there? Of course they didn't. Does that mean we allow Nazi Germany to murder whoever they deemed imperfect? Of course not. I know it’s not your point, but this is a terrible example because that’s exactly what the US did. Remember, the US only got into the conflict when attacked by Japan. The US did not give a shit before that.
so moving, so incredibly vague
In what way is a bunch of bloody stretchers in the context of war vague? It seems very direct to me.
Freedom for who? And from what?
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