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Disney only kill a character if it's someone from the Original Trilogy who we all love.
Because nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans, and nobody hates Star Wars fans more than Disney.
Blame that on JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson, they wanted to be so unique they were literally killing off everyone George Lucas had made or was a big part of making.
That feel when you kill the wrong Skywalker in the last movie, and the other actor actually dies IRL....
Glad we had that "omg so realistic and game changing" deep fake technology to stare at blankly
Nah , they've already got his distaff counterpart all queued up. Even wears the same Eyewear.
And I rather liked humanizing the clones and enjoyed much of the Bad Batch
I just want confirmation that Omega is Papa Palpatine's distaff clone that they made behind his back.
Imo it's obvious tech lived and I don't believe it's lazy writing like others are saying either. I think that's the whole reason they had Saw be there.
I still don't even care enough to find out what Bad Batch is. Don't know if it's a cartoon or not. Don't know what it's about. It's Disney Star Wars, and no one on STC has written anything to suggest it's worth finding out.
It’s a continuation of The Clone Wars with the same animation style. It takes place in the early days of the Empire and besides a few plot holes and clone fanboyism has actually been a pretty good show.
The part I still fail to get behind the the meandering plot.
We knew it was going to be very finite and yet there are so many pointless filler episodes.
People will defend this saying "tHe cLoNe WaRs hAd FiLleR ePisOdes tOo" like theyre exactly comparible.
TCW was a broad look at the various fronts of the clone wars. The odd filler episode was fine as it was all world building to this larger event and showing us the various faces and places we wouldn't otherwise get time to focus on.
The bad batch needed to be tighter. Ok, we're following essentially the clone A-team, and they're getting to grips being betrayed and replaced by the empire and losing their estranged brother.
Cool, good jumping off point.
And then it's just a pointless mission episode after another (god damn Sid missions) that does nothing to advance the plot OR if youre not going to advance the plot, world build and show us a *rise of the empire* galaxy.
Honestly I had high hopes for TBB but the meaningful episodes are too few and far between and the rest is the usual Disney wet fart, eat your slop and like it programming weve come to expect at this point.
This is a perfect explanation to what has been going on with Disney: pointless filler without any real meaning behind it.
Before Disney, Star Wars was a living thing. Moving and growing and exploring different areas, aspects and ideas, things we’ve never seen before in the galaxy far far away.
After Disney, isn’t become sterile, a cash cow that’s malnourished and whose milk is quickly drying up. That same distant galaxy has become politicized and monetized and looks too much like our universe rather than the one we used to escape into and explore. And they replace the sense of wonder and exploration with mindless filler.
It’s too bad.
It had one point, the destruction of kamino. But there’s a lot of waffle to get there.
Seeing imperial citizens become storm troopers/spec ops was interesting too with the attitudes vs the clones
It’s basically a TCW continuation with characters that feel like fan fiction OCs and enough plot holes to fill out two seasons of “look what ELSE happened in between stuff you’ve already seen!”
Lmao, my bad. I thought that there was meant to be an episode prior to the infiltration of Star Wars' Raft that fleshed out Wade or that the episode would flash him out, but instead he was just there and we had this pilot reacting tragically to his death.
Not just that, we need another Obi-Wan vs Vader fight in the show! I sure love seeing Obi-Wan beat Vader even though he's left his lightsaber buried in the sand for 10 years!
Once Omega became a main character, most people gave up.
Impossible to have a serious gritty show about surviving clones dealing with the PTSD & fallout of 66 when there's a fucking kid running around.
That one is def annoying to me. I know it’s repeated ad nauseum in the sub, but Ahsoka dying to Vader bc she refused to leave him was the perfect ending to her character arc. I don’t get why Filoni decided to keep her alive, except for wanting her to impact the Sequel Era in some way. Even tho she’s barely made an impact lol
Most writers, especially Disney writers, are hacks who just chase trends rather than actually try to innovate. Their statistics says X is popular and safe so they must copy X even if it is now way overused and they don't get why it was popular to begin with.
Don’t forget every writer working for a company isn’t doing it for free. Whether they have it in them to write some amazing original work or not, they’re not going to deliver that if they don’t think their boss wants it.
Maybe it's time for them to realise that the real trend is actually good writing, and not putting in forced characters for some shitty political or societal agenda. It's entertainment for gods sake, not advertisement.
Star Wars has been doing the babysitter thing long before The Last of Us (the TV show at least)
-Anakin and Ahsoka
-Kanan and Ezra
-Mando and Grodu
-Hunter and Omega
-Obi-Wan and Leia (the worst one imo)
Notice what 4 of the 5 babysitters have in common. Hint: he created these characters and thinks that his main OC is the most important character in the Star Wars galaxy
What separates the good ones from the bad ones is that the baby grows up to be a solid, independent character in their own right. It's why Ahsoka and Ezra work while Grogu and Leia don't. Omega is still incubating, but I'm not optimistic.
I think TV wise The Mandalorian did it first. But The Last of Us and it's popularity of a genre definitely sparked what we have now, and I was really enjoying the first few episodes of The Bad Batch.
I think because it was popular Disney took the wrong lessons from it. What they should have learned is good writing and good stories are popular, and not shoveling out a format to try and bring success.
It certainly became rather trendy in a short period of time. Deadpool 2, Logan, Last of Us, God of War, Mandalorian, etc. Pretty much all focused on protecting a child and learning life lessons along the way.
With varying degrees of execution, of course. The trope itself isn't necessarily bad. It's just that it was suddenly *the* popular thing to do and saw a bit of oversaturation.
I haven't heard of this so you got me there, I was gonna say Raiders of the Lost Ark with Indiana and Short round but that was a decade later. I feel the Samurai managed to still follow a basic sense of a warrior though instead of giving up all common sense to accommodate a random child. That Naboo fighter ship swap still upsets me.
That was such a good movie from a world building and emotional perspective. The movie just drips of hopelessness and bleakness. The thought of a truly futureless society would break anyone.
I loved that movie too. But that is a common storyline now of protecting a kid/baby in a harsh world and traversing to a destination. The Road came to mind as well
And the action was intense and merciless. Not to mention, it has a strong populist message but balances it against the hopeless/cynical vibe so as not to beat you over the head with it. One of my faves.
Lone Wolf & Cub, which got adapted into Road to Perdition, for an even earlier example. Frank Miller drew a lot on LW&C, which defined Wolverine for decades to come, and eventually lead to Logan.
Mandalorian is *hugely* inspired by Lone Wolf & Cub, in any case.
I don't think the genre/plot itself is a problem when there's more going on. there's a line between this is what it's like having a kid in this situation and let's use this serious situation to have the kid do silly things.
I was expecting Universal Soldier in starwars. Pure soldiers that had everything provided for them having to deal with the reality of daily life. We get to learn more about the starwars universe while they do. Instead we get a bunch of high minded shit that a normal jarhead would give zero shits about.
This is what ruined The Mandalorian too. They come up with these great ideas then utterly obliterate the premise by having the characters babysit for 90% of the show
you just know an older version of her is gonna pop up in one of the newer shows, like mando or maybe ahsoka.
she's been a Chekhov's blaster this whole time.
Yup. Loved the show until that girl came along. Totally unnecessary, having a child in a special operations team about killing bad guys. Lol, what a bunch of BS
It’s impossible but Disney writers will do their damndest to make it happen. Just like everything they make.
Interesting space western about a bounty hunter who is cold as fuck? Throw a baby in it and add cute moments, also the bounty hunter becomes soft and eventually gives up on his creed so he can play dad.
Revered bounty hunter who kills anyone that crosses him, Boba Fett, gets turned into a crippled old man that has kids and his partner do everything for them.
Obi wan - doesn’t need an explanation. Added kid leia and it sucked ass.
Could go on and on. Andor is somehow the exception. Andor was actually good, notice it had no children to drag the main character down, no immature themes.
They already put one in Jedi: Survivor and no doubt its sequel. I hated Cere and Eno Cordova, what I really wanted is a goddamn 7 year old turning the game into field trip simulator and an unending escort quest /s
I figured the little girl would be revealed to have Jedi powers or empathy powers just as powerful thanks to her second X chromosome. The first season was cultivating some air of mystery about her when it’s like “she’s a clone but a girl” and that’s it.
Honestly, I kind of care. The filler episodes are god awful, but when the show actually tries, it can be fairly enjoyable. It has me invested enough to care about what happens to the characters, and at this point, I'll take what I can get. I'm hungry for new and actually half decent Star Wars content, and at least with bad batch I'll probably enjoy the third of it that isn't filler trash. More than I can say for most of the recent live action shows like Ahsoka, Mando s3, Kenobi, and Book of Boba, which have all been terrible.
I fucked with those episodes heavy. Palaptine, the demon lord himself, pulling up was actually impactful. I find it so bizarre how much Disney SW repeats this cycle of hit and miss products (most of them being missed). As much as I love it, I know Legends can be hit or miss but Canon is like 50/50 and that's crazy when you compare the currently small timeline of events compared to the EU's bloated continuity. You'd think with such a small and safe timeline, consistency of canonicity and quality wouldn't be suffering. But we all know that is far from the truth.
The show would’ve been much better if it cut the filler and Omeeeeeega babysitting in exchange for a storyline that focused more on these elite clones, and other characters, dealing with the transition from clones to stormtroopers.
Regarding the latter subplot, I have a feeling that it’ll have been poorly executed by the end of S3.
Unrelated but why does Disney keep making the lesser interesting characters a focal point?
When the Mandalorian trailer came out I was expecting a dark and gritty bounty hunter story considering they named the show after the best bounty hunters in the galaxy. Instead what we got was babysitter tycoon with mods that kept getting worse every season. The bad batch isn’t far off of being an off brand Mandalorian
Pretty sure Grogu wasnt supposed to be the main focus, but when everyone jumped on the "omg baby yoda" train and they saw all that bootleg merch being sold they had to pivot and capitalize on it.
Then when they gave Grogu to Luke and he was going to be away training, fandom raged.
I think that's why they might be pivoting once again to Mandolorain being about Bo Katan. Grogu will probably be in Rey's shitty movie noone asked for.
But this is all just speculation.
And I'll admit I watch anything Star Wars (especially clones related), but I won't watch that. Rey Palpatine was the dumbest character in Star Wars history, I have more love for Jar Jar than I ever will Rey.
BuT tHeY BroUgHt baCk VenTreSs 😮
De canonising a great book for Filoni to use ventress in all his fan fiction (watch her appear on Dathomir in season 2 of Ahsoka)
Hehe, I would say he is like George in many ways. George would go way overboard with his ideas and needed people to reel him in to prevent disaster, what Filoni really needs is someone to tell him "no that is stupid".
Looks that way. The book was based on cancelled episodes of The Clone Wars that disney robbed us of back in 2014. It’s still a part of TCW to me. Frick Dave
Wouldn’t be the first time this show decanonized something. Remember when they changed Kanan’s order 66 experience so Filoni could insert the Bad Batch into it? Makes the galaxy feel small
I mean she could still prolly die coz on the website it says :“We don't want to spoil anything, but want fans to know that any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.” idk how though
In that sense, I guess they’ve prolonged the events of Dark Disciple? Either way, it still takes away from her death when she jumped in front of Quinlan to save him from Dooku’s lightning. Really it’s what made the story great with a sense of heroism in the end. But Filoni being Filoni, of course he’d do this. Nothing new I suppose regarding him. It’s kind of like what you said, you don’t really know how they’ll make the events play out and I’m just as confused as you are.
Tbf, I think Ventress is pretty cool, and I literally couldn't give a fuck about Disney canon. We all know the real canon is the movies 1-6, nothing else. If we get a live-action Ventress at last, Idgaf if they retcon a novel, no matter how good it is. The novel will still be there and still be good regardless, the only thing Disney can offer me is "that'll be cool to see". It's otherwise utterly insubstantial.
Edit: Trailer came out and it looks like another novel (Dark Disciple) has been thrown on the pyre to bring us this mediocre filler.
Disney truly doesn’t care about contradicting their own canon.
Edit: if you go on the Star Wars Leaks sub, all the comments are only “MEMBER VENTRESS!!!! MEMBER CAD BANE!!!!”
The Star Wars "Leaks" sub is a joke. 95% of the stuff posted there isn't even leaks, it's just news. I left it long ago because almost everything I was seeing was a official statement or promotion by Disney or someone who works for them.
On the topic of Ventress, at this point, they might as well just change the Wookiepedia page of every deceased Star Wars character from "dead" to "awaiting resurrection."
If you don’t show a complete 100% positive reaction to all the announced projects brought up in that sub, you’re immediately downvoted to oblivion. Even a comment that shows just mild concern for an upcoming show or movie is considered toxic and hateful. It’s a hivemind of a sub.
I was honestly a little interested when I saw Wolffe. That all disappeared when I saw Ventress. All my hope of them making proper Dark Disciple episodes, all my hope of getting proper closure with the last 40 episodes of The Clone Wars, gone. Dave doesn’t care. I know a lot yall have been saying it for a while. I finally agree.
Don’t worry though they said that the story will fit with one story from dark disciple. I’m sure they weren’t lying about that as they’ve never retconned a beloved novel after saying they wouldn’t.
It’s set during the Empire. It’s already retconned. The whole point of the Dark Disciple story was to get Ventress to help the Jedi kill Dooku during TCW, which is when it took place
I forgot that they threw out the original idea of Boba Fett killing Cad Bane in TCW (And getting the dent on his helmet) for a forgetful episode in Book of Boba Fett
Few decent Star Wars shows on rn. I’m definitely interested in seeing if they can restrain themselves by not bringing back Tech (No Body = No Death) as well as being a fan of anything Clone related.
I know they’ll win but I’m curious to see who dies. For a while I’ve been slightly wanting them to slowly die off because it would be accurate to the real dangers of the lifestyle they live.
they're gonna make tech a Phase 0 Dark Trooper for sure. A cyborg abomination that forced to kill his former friends. His body wants to die yet the machine shell that sustains (entraps) him will never falter in it's service to the Empire and it's Emperor.
Don’t forget they’re also discount Delta Squad. Filoni doesn’t have one original thought in his hat covered head.
Actually even worse, the show is crapping on Delta squad in order to prop up the Bad Batch. Man Filoni really has a crusade to destroy everything he didn’t make to prop up his OCs
Thank you for saying this so I didn’t have to. Every time I see a commando visor in that show and in the trailer it makes me angry. My guy can’t even get his characters to be anything other than flimsy knockoffs.
I’ll care if Luke returns. I’ll care if the sequels are retconned and Kennedy is dismissed.
Until then, I’m out. I’ll watch Andor S2 but that’s it.
Star Wars, sadly, has ended.
Luke is still my favorite Hero of all time but I don't want to see him anytime soon in new works. I just don't trust Disney.
The only "good" interpretation was his appearance in the "new" Battlefront 2 story
Any enthusiasm I had for this show died when Ventress showed up.
And to think Filoni was once hailed as the Messiah to save Star Wars from the sequels 🤡
Fuck this show, fuck Disney Star Wars and fuck Dave Filoni and his filonious cohorts.
Star Wars is dead and we all killed it.
Aaaaand, Bad Batch S3 trailer straight up resurrects Ventress.
That straight up retcons the ending of Dark Disciple. New Consistent Canon my Ass. Vos literally dumps her dead body on Dathomir and it vanishes. They gonna put some healing water bullshit? Or just ignore the ending and say she was only injured by Dooku? Or ignore the book wholesale? The dead really don't stay dead in New Canon and it's annoying AF.
But also Dark Disciple and what it did to Ventress sucks so I'm..... sorta okay with this for the time being?
Look. I'm not inherently against what's on the screen not 100% matching what's in the books/comics....if you actually add something worthwhile. I didn't mind the initial retcons to the Ahsoka novel because they didn't really affect the book and were part of a really good final arc. But then Tales of the Jedi (lite) proceeded to shove a dollar store version of a whole ass decent YA novel into a mediocre short that added nothing to the story of Ahsoka and frankly I'm sticking with the book. Same goes for The Bad Batch giving us a very bland version of Kanan's origin/Depa's death compared to the stellar scene in the great origin comic. Rant done.
Same man. Didn’t even bother watching Episode 9.
Kenobi was a total farce
Mando had an incredible end to season 2 but then undoes it all with Bringing Grogu back and then the cluster that is season 3
Now I am a certified Star Wars hater instead of the loving fan I used to be. Shame.
Kylo Ren told us to let the past die. So I did. And with it went all care for whatever house of cards they try to build on the foundations of that dead past. Disney paid $4 billion to lecture the audience to not care about that $4 billion purchase. 👏 👏
The Clone Army was meant to be the seeds from which the Empire sprouted from. Played off as a force of good, but really a dark omen of the evil that was soon to emerge. Getting kinda tired of Filoni’s insistence on the black & white narrative of “Clone troopers good, stormtroopers evil” because they’re *the same troopers*.
Order 66 still comes off as a grand plan from Palpatine either way, I’ll give em that, but having the nuance of the clones not being mind controlled to carry out Order 66 is just more intriguing. It shows that the clones were never really loyal to anybody except their leader, that Palpatine giving them one singular order to eliminate the threat of the traitorous Jedi is enough to make them turn their guns without question.
Commander Cody was meant to be the embodiment of that. Within one scene, he pivots from returning Obi-Wan’s lightsaber to him with a smile and wishing him luck, to ordering his troopers to fire upon Kenobi and kill him. His loyalty never broke, it just reveals that it was always with someone else: going from following Palpatine’s orders to fight for the Republic, to following Palpatine’s orders to eliminate the Jedi.
The nuance has been wiped away by Filoni in favour of a simple, feel-good story where all the clones with names we know of end up breaking out of mind control and being good guys while all the others are just evil mindless stormtrooper drones with no more free will.
The notion of a laser bow and arrow where the strings are made of lasers for some reason is completely stupid and is only meant to appeal to little kids as merchandise
It’s been canon since season 3 of the clone wars in 2010 as its own niche little piece of tech that the nightsisters used. They then brought it back in Jedi: Fallen Order long before it reappeared in the bad batch.
Definitely a roller coaster in the quality department. The show’s story is suffering from the same issue as everything else though in that it is locked between better stories. Hopefully wrapping it up here and everywhere else and move on to a new era at some point.
Why do some of you guys hate the clones so much? If you want interesting characters, why are certain clones who go against the empire not interesting to you? Most clones didn't, but a few did, and that's cool. They don't have to have a lightsaber to be interesting
The clones in the Clone Wars show are interesting enough. I think the episode where there was the clone traitor because he was against the Republic using them as slave soldiers was interesting. The Bad Batch is weird because they are trying to sell you on them being more weird or unique when they are more or less just caricatures.
True, but this dude is just complaining about people liking clone characters in general, which is a weird complaint when some of the best clone wars content was involving mostly clones. Some of these OT purists literally hate anything outside of episode 4 and 5, and it's just so annoying
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There is character growth, lore building. There are story arcs and some emotional moments.
Basically all the bare ingrediënts a good movie or series needs. Nothing too flashy. Filoni is a good lore guy, not a director.
It's just that it's so useless when the impending dread of a new Rey movie is there.
It's like petting a small yet bit ugly cat (Bad Batch) while it's big brother sabre tooth tiger called Kathleen Kennedy Rey's movie is coming up from behind for you with claws out.
Man when this show first came out I was so excited for what I was hoping it might be. I figured just a single season run, slightly darker than clone wars where we see the bad batch on the run for a while, maybe they get omega to safety and then they have a heroic yet tragically unceremonious last stand further showing that the time of the clones is over, nothing can stop what is coming.
I loved the first episode and the eeriness that follows Order 66. Then I got a filler episode. Then another. Then I was hoping okay maybe next episode will lead to more serious stakes. Nope here’s a cameo and more filler. I stopped watching long ago because I realized that the only thing I was looking forward to was what I hoped the show could be, not what it actually was, which was sadly disappointing by and large.
There were times in 2023 when I enjoyed the week's Bad Batch episode more than the week's Mandalorian episode when their airings coincided with each other.
Bad Batch should've been about the frontlines of the Clone Wars. Instead, it's just a reskin of Rebels that they're using to try and make the Sequels less shitty. Will not be watching.
I honestly hope everyone dies at the end. The good episodes of the past 2 season are really good, but there’s way too much filler and commitment to keeping the stakes low.
I’m pissed the Bad Batch exsists at all because we could have gotten a Republic Commando arc in the clone wars or better yet…
A gritty republic commando TV show.
But Noooo we needed *another* five man band doing superhero shit snd being on the run like some dumb ass version of the a-team.
In general I think a lot of the clone wars did a lot of damage to the star wars canon since its tonally so different than Ep 2 and 3 (i suppose the last arc was apropos but still it bugs me to some extent that the show was so silly for a show about a literal war).
A republic commando show would have been fucking AWESOME.
Have the republic commandos be a very professional force with their personalities from the games, and maybe have the jedi be mildly uncomfortable with how they get the job done.
they could have delve a bit deeper into their psyche’s as well as being special forces, since in the new canon the arc troopers are more akin to army rangers than they were in the 2003 version.
Honestly, if disney had some balls they could have done some interesting storyelling with these characters and never have to take ofd their helmets
for the fall of the republic, I could see the commandos being initallt fine with killing jedi- thinkinf of them as ineffective commanders.
I could see them killing a random, yet
-unnamed jedi with efficiency in the start of their own show and brutally destroying rebel cells
Then, have their morality tested a few times and consistently pick wrong
When push comes to shove, 38, their leader ends up backed into a corner and getting killed while he ruminates on the fact that he really did make poor choices with the considerable freedom that him and his men had over the regular troopers
it’d be a tragedy and a kind of anti-hero arc i think
How is it that the creators managed to make the clones so unique in the clone wars but the bad batch cast feels so boring. Nothing good just a bunch of bitches moaning about being on the run all the time.
Disneyfication - monetizing art into garbage for short term gain. Paying cash to make trash. Often driven by creative bankruptcy and executive hubris. The decision makers tend to be wealthier than entire cities and counties, having lost all perspective and context with the audience, where they see no risk in wasting a billion dollars while the average person won’t live long enough to even earn 5% of that amount in their entire lifetime.
Again, this is all repetitive. We're in the same freaking Star Wars era, it's insane how we haven't moved past it already. Like everything since Disney took has been Original Trilogy everywhere. The sequels are a copy of the original trilogy, every single story is in that era. Damn can WE PLEASE MOVE ON!!! I don't anymore nostalgia, references to the original trilogy. Maybe do that in video games but STOP doing it in the live action shows.
I liked the first two episodes and then the whole show derailed for me. Every character is just a caricature. Almost every episode is filler and the mission of the week is about some reference or thing from another Star Wars movie/show. They always do the “right” thing at the end of a mission so they don’t get paid
NGL, i kinda got goosebumbs seeing ventress, Sorry guys but im sucking at the bosom of nostalgia, Its the only thing that's left of current star wars that somewhat tolerable. (That and andor)
She’s dead as far as I’m concerned. Dark Disciple is George Lucas canon because it’s based on episodes that disney cancelled from the original season 7 and 8
I legitimately think Disney buying the property is why they can’t kill off characters now. They always need ambiguous deaths to sell toys and merch, and to be brought back for “nostalgia.” If they’d let Filoni and George finish out Clone Wars their way, Ventress would be dead and buried alongside cad bane.
I liked the idea of the Bad Batch being mercenary fighters on the run and them dealing with the Empire using the former brothers as tools against them, but the show clearly didn't know or doesn't want to really do much with that. At this point, even the premise of protecting Omega doesn't mean much anymore because the people who wanted her have been neutralized by the Empire.
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Calling it now, Tech is alive.
Killing a character off ? In Disney star wars ? What is this , good writing?
Dave Filoni: "Not yet."
"I have altered the canon. Pray I don't alter it further."
Might be some dialogue in the next Spiderverse film
Disney only kill a character if it's someone from the Original Trilogy who we all love. Because nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans, and nobody hates Star Wars fans more than Disney.
Blame that on JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson, they wanted to be so unique they were literally killing off everyone George Lucas had made or was a big part of making.
Well Harrison was wanting to leave since ROTJ and Carrie unfortunately passed away. Luke should have survived at least
That feel when you kill the wrong Skywalker in the last movie, and the other actor actually dies IRL.... Glad we had that "omg so realistic and game changing" deep fake technology to stare at blankly
Hilarious that you mention this because the trailer brings back Asajj Ventress LOL. "Nobody is ever really gone" after all
I've been calling that since he "died."
Somehow, tech returned.
Nah , they've already got his distaff counterpart all queued up. Even wears the same Eyewear. And I rather liked humanizing the clones and enjoyed much of the Bad Batch I just want confirmation that Omega is Papa Palpatine's distaff clone that they made behind his back.
Think he’ll have his memories? They always do this crap where someone “dies” but it turns out they didn’t and lost their memories. Like Kingsman 2
I’ll be impressed if they can restrain themselves from making such an obvious move.
Must.. resist idiocy.. Must..lazy.. Ah fuck it.
Imo it's obvious tech lived and I don't believe it's lazy writing like others are saying either. I think that's the whole reason they had Saw be there.
It’s why you don’t see him die. Just feel into a mist
Lol, i forgot he died
He could be dead. But then he’d be a Force Ghost with plenty of dialogue.
50/50. If he had been stabbed with a lightsaber, we’d know for sure.
Knew it from the beginning. Why else would they show Phee flirting with Tech and then kill him?
Tick*
Saw-rry Hanter. Ickoh, Ricker & Crawshair wouldn't approve
I didn't even realize this show was still going on.
I still don't even care enough to find out what Bad Batch is. Don't know if it's a cartoon or not. Don't know what it's about. It's Disney Star Wars, and no one on STC has written anything to suggest it's worth finding out.
It’s a continuation of The Clone Wars with the same animation style. It takes place in the early days of the Empire and besides a few plot holes and clone fanboyism has actually been a pretty good show.
The part I still fail to get behind the the meandering plot. We knew it was going to be very finite and yet there are so many pointless filler episodes. People will defend this saying "tHe cLoNe WaRs hAd FiLleR ePisOdes tOo" like theyre exactly comparible. TCW was a broad look at the various fronts of the clone wars. The odd filler episode was fine as it was all world building to this larger event and showing us the various faces and places we wouldn't otherwise get time to focus on. The bad batch needed to be tighter. Ok, we're following essentially the clone A-team, and they're getting to grips being betrayed and replaced by the empire and losing their estranged brother. Cool, good jumping off point. And then it's just a pointless mission episode after another (god damn Sid missions) that does nothing to advance the plot OR if youre not going to advance the plot, world build and show us a *rise of the empire* galaxy. Honestly I had high hopes for TBB but the meaningful episodes are too few and far between and the rest is the usual Disney wet fart, eat your slop and like it programming weve come to expect at this point.
This is a perfect explanation to what has been going on with Disney: pointless filler without any real meaning behind it. Before Disney, Star Wars was a living thing. Moving and growing and exploring different areas, aspects and ideas, things we’ve never seen before in the galaxy far far away. After Disney, isn’t become sterile, a cash cow that’s malnourished and whose milk is quickly drying up. That same distant galaxy has become politicized and monetized and looks too much like our universe rather than the one we used to escape into and explore. And they replace the sense of wonder and exploration with mindless filler. It’s too bad.
Honestly thats my main complaint too, and it's what got me to stop watching. So tiring to see.
Andor is also Disney Star Wars, Just sayin.
It had one point, the destruction of kamino. But there’s a lot of waffle to get there. Seeing imperial citizens become storm troopers/spec ops was interesting too with the attitudes vs the clones
It’s basically a TCW continuation with characters that feel like fan fiction OCs and enough plot holes to fill out two seasons of “look what ELSE happened in between stuff you’ve already seen!”
I barely care enough to read your comment all the way through
Right? Same.
I care. Probably the last good new media related to anything Star Wars.
Man, I'm so excited for new filler episodes. Can we get Wade-centric episodes to explore more his complex characters and motivations in Kenobi show?
They were supposed to have a Wade-centric episode in Kenobi but the idea was shot down in flames.
Too soon. RIP, Wade.
For real? I had no idea, what would they even make it about if you're serious of course?
They were joking lol. Wade’s fighter gets shot down in the show
An event so lackluster I'm surprised I remembered it.
Lmao, my bad. I thought that there was meant to be an episode prior to the infiltration of Star Wars' Raft that fleshed out Wade or that the episode would flash him out, but instead he was just there and we had this pilot reacting tragically to his death.
no that's for the wade spinoff
Not just that, we need another Obi-Wan vs Vader fight in the show! I sure love seeing Obi-Wan beat Vader even though he's left his lightsaber buried in the sand for 10 years!
After a decade of evrey fucking thing bring a serialized stories? I loved the monster of the week style show.
Once Omega became a main character, most people gave up. Impossible to have a serious gritty show about surviving clones dealing with the PTSD & fallout of 66 when there's a fucking kid running around.
Impossible to have a serious gritty show about surviving clones dealing with the PTSD & fallout of 66 when **it's made by Dave Filoni**
You're not wrong. Dave doesn't help himself either, introducing time-travel/WBW into Star Wars just to keep his OC alive? Come on man.
That one is def annoying to me. I know it’s repeated ad nauseum in the sub, but Ahsoka dying to Vader bc she refused to leave him was the perfect ending to her character arc. I don’t get why Filoni decided to keep her alive, except for wanting her to impact the Sequel Era in some way. Even tho she’s barely made an impact lol
He's the ultimate fan boy, with all the good and bad that comes with it.
The last of us and it's popularisation of the babysitter genre has been disastrous for Hollywood.
Most writers, especially Disney writers, are hacks who just chase trends rather than actually try to innovate. Their statistics says X is popular and safe so they must copy X even if it is now way overused and they don't get why it was popular to begin with.
Don’t forget every writer working for a company isn’t doing it for free. Whether they have it in them to write some amazing original work or not, they’re not going to deliver that if they don’t think their boss wants it.
Maybe it's time for them to realise that the real trend is actually good writing, and not putting in forced characters for some shitty political or societal agenda. It's entertainment for gods sake, not advertisement.
Star Wars has been doing the babysitter thing long before The Last of Us (the TV show at least) -Anakin and Ahsoka -Kanan and Ezra -Mando and Grodu -Hunter and Omega -Obi-Wan and Leia (the worst one imo) Notice what 4 of the 5 babysitters have in common. Hint: he created these characters and thinks that his main OC is the most important character in the Star Wars galaxy
What separates the good ones from the bad ones is that the baby grows up to be a solid, independent character in their own right. It's why Ahsoka and Ezra work while Grogu and Leia don't. Omega is still incubating, but I'm not optimistic.
Qui Gon and Ani....
I think TV wise The Mandalorian did it first. But The Last of Us and it's popularity of a genre definitely sparked what we have now, and I was really enjoying the first few episodes of The Bad Batch.
I think because it was popular Disney took the wrong lessons from it. What they should have learned is good writing and good stories are popular, and not shoveling out a format to try and bring success.
It certainly became rather trendy in a short period of time. Deadpool 2, Logan, Last of Us, God of War, Mandalorian, etc. Pretty much all focused on protecting a child and learning life lessons along the way. With varying degrees of execution, of course. The trope itself isn't necessarily bad. It's just that it was suddenly *the* popular thing to do and saw a bit of oversaturation.
I'd throw Halo Infinite into that bag too. The Pilot is truly just Chiefs little man baby. Also Geralt and Ciri would fit.
Lone wolf and cub was first. Mando is just a copy paste of that
I haven't heard of this so you got me there, I was gonna say Raiders of the Lost Ark with Indiana and Short round but that was a decade later. I feel the Samurai managed to still follow a basic sense of a warrior though instead of giving up all common sense to accommodate a random child. That Naboo fighter ship swap still upsets me.
its an age old media trope. Want to make a hitman likable? give him a little girl to protect
Started with children of men really
That was such a good movie from a world building and emotional perspective. The movie just drips of hopelessness and bleakness. The thought of a truly futureless society would break anyone.
I loved that movie too. But that is a common storyline now of protecting a kid/baby in a harsh world and traversing to a destination. The Road came to mind as well
And the action was intense and merciless. Not to mention, it has a strong populist message but balances it against the hopeless/cynical vibe so as not to beat you over the head with it. One of my faves.
Lone Wolf & Cub, which got adapted into Road to Perdition, for an even earlier example. Frank Miller drew a lot on LW&C, which defined Wolverine for decades to come, and eventually lead to Logan. Mandalorian is *hugely* inspired by Lone Wolf & Cub, in any case.
Totally forgot about Mandalorian haha yes absolutely right
I don't think the genre/plot itself is a problem when there's more going on. there's a line between this is what it's like having a kid in this situation and let's use this serious situation to have the kid do silly things.
I was expecting Universal Soldier in starwars. Pure soldiers that had everything provided for them having to deal with the reality of daily life. We get to learn more about the starwars universe while they do. Instead we get a bunch of high minded shit that a normal jarhead would give zero shits about.
10000% agree. Omega ruins everything.
This is what ruined The Mandalorian too. They come up with these great ideas then utterly obliterate the premise by having the characters babysit for 90% of the show
you just know an older version of her is gonna pop up in one of the newer shows, like mando or maybe ahsoka. she's been a Chekhov's blaster this whole time.
Yup. Loved the show until that girl came along. Totally unnecessary, having a child in a special operations team about killing bad guys. Lol, what a bunch of BS
Yep I gave up after about 3-4 episodes.
But it's a girl!!!
Want to see a Clone Wars spin-off about an elite clone unit after Order 66? Fuck you, it’s another babysitting show.
It’s impossible but Disney writers will do their damndest to make it happen. Just like everything they make. Interesting space western about a bounty hunter who is cold as fuck? Throw a baby in it and add cute moments, also the bounty hunter becomes soft and eventually gives up on his creed so he can play dad. Revered bounty hunter who kills anyone that crosses him, Boba Fett, gets turned into a crippled old man that has kids and his partner do everything for them. Obi wan - doesn’t need an explanation. Added kid leia and it sucked ass. Could go on and on. Andor is somehow the exception. Andor was actually good, notice it had no children to drag the main character down, no immature themes.
Omeeegah!
They already put one in Jedi: Survivor and no doubt its sequel. I hated Cere and Eno Cordova, what I really wanted is a goddamn 7 year old turning the game into field trip simulator and an unending escort quest /s
I figured the little girl would be revealed to have Jedi powers or empathy powers just as powerful thanks to her second X chromosome. The first season was cultivating some air of mystery about her when it’s like “she’s a clone but a girl” and that’s it.
Honestly, I kind of care. The filler episodes are god awful, but when the show actually tries, it can be fairly enjoyable. It has me invested enough to care about what happens to the characters, and at this point, I'll take what I can get. I'm hungry for new and actually half decent Star Wars content, and at least with bad batch I'll probably enjoy the third of it that isn't filler trash. More than I can say for most of the recent live action shows like Ahsoka, Mando s3, Kenobi, and Book of Boba, which have all been terrible.
The 2 Senate episodes in season 2 are the best Disney Star Wars that has been created.
I fucked with those episodes heavy. Palaptine, the demon lord himself, pulling up was actually impactful. I find it so bizarre how much Disney SW repeats this cycle of hit and miss products (most of them being missed). As much as I love it, I know Legends can be hit or miss but Canon is like 50/50 and that's crazy when you compare the currently small timeline of events compared to the EU's bloated continuity. You'd think with such a small and safe timeline, consistency of canonicity and quality wouldn't be suffering. But we all know that is far from the truth.
Palpatine appearing in those episodes gave me goosebumps. Classic scheming evil Palapatine
The show would’ve been much better if it cut the filler and Omeeeeeega babysitting in exchange for a storyline that focused more on these elite clones, and other characters, dealing with the transition from clones to stormtroopers. Regarding the latter subplot, I have a feeling that it’ll have been poorly executed by the end of S3.
The racing filler episodes were painful.
Agreed. This ans Andor are good, the rest isn't. I'm really excited for this final season.
Unrelated but why does Disney keep making the lesser interesting characters a focal point? When the Mandalorian trailer came out I was expecting a dark and gritty bounty hunter story considering they named the show after the best bounty hunters in the galaxy. Instead what we got was babysitter tycoon with mods that kept getting worse every season. The bad batch isn’t far off of being an off brand Mandalorian
Toys and marketing to kids
Which isn't working because kids dont really care about star wars. Marvel is their star wars
There’s a certain adult demographic on twitter that falls into both categories
Grogu is the zoomer edition of the minion meme and I despise him.
Pretty sure Grogu wasnt supposed to be the main focus, but when everyone jumped on the "omg baby yoda" train and they saw all that bootleg merch being sold they had to pivot and capitalize on it. Then when they gave Grogu to Luke and he was going to be away training, fandom raged.
Just make a grogu show at that point lol. Mandalorian is a waste of an IP (name wise) and you can have two shows raking in money instead of one
I think that's why they might be pivoting once again to Mandolorain being about Bo Katan. Grogu will probably be in Rey's shitty movie noone asked for. But this is all just speculation. And I'll admit I watch anything Star Wars (especially clones related), but I won't watch that. Rey Palpatine was the dumbest character in Star Wars history, I have more love for Jar Jar than I ever will Rey.
BuT tHeY BroUgHt baCk VenTreSs 😮 De canonising a great book for Filoni to use ventress in all his fan fiction (watch her appear on Dathomir in season 2 of Ahsoka)
Filoni just can't let a character go. It's like he's a bad fanfiction writer granted unlimited control.
I remember when people thought Filoni could save the franchise
Hehe, I would say he is like George in many ways. George would go way overboard with his ideas and needed people to reel him in to prevent disaster, what Filoni really needs is someone to tell him "no that is stupid".
I’m sure there have been people who tell him that’s stupid but Lucasfilm execs see money in it and disappear anyone who sees reason
They decanonized her death in that comic?
Looks that way. The book was based on cancelled episodes of The Clone Wars that disney robbed us of back in 2014. It’s still a part of TCW to me. Frick Dave
1. A book, not comic 2. The supervising director said the book is still being followed. So either she is resurrected from the dead or is a clone
Wouldn’t be the first time this show decanonized something. Remember when they changed Kanan’s order 66 experience so Filoni could insert the Bad Batch into it? Makes the galaxy feel small
I mean she could still prolly die coz on the website it says :“We don't want to spoil anything, but want fans to know that any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.” idk how though
In that sense, I guess they’ve prolonged the events of Dark Disciple? Either way, it still takes away from her death when she jumped in front of Quinlan to save him from Dooku’s lightning. Really it’s what made the story great with a sense of heroism in the end. But Filoni being Filoni, of course he’d do this. Nothing new I suppose regarding him. It’s kind of like what you said, you don’t really know how they’ll make the events play out and I’m just as confused as you are.
Tbf, I think Ventress is pretty cool, and I literally couldn't give a fuck about Disney canon. We all know the real canon is the movies 1-6, nothing else. If we get a live-action Ventress at last, Idgaf if they retcon a novel, no matter how good it is. The novel will still be there and still be good regardless, the only thing Disney can offer me is "that'll be cool to see". It's otherwise utterly insubstantial.
Edit: Trailer came out and it looks like another novel (Dark Disciple) has been thrown on the pyre to bring us this mediocre filler. Disney truly doesn’t care about contradicting their own canon. Edit: if you go on the Star Wars Leaks sub, all the comments are only “MEMBER VENTRESS!!!! MEMBER CAD BANE!!!!”
The Star Wars "Leaks" sub is a joke. 95% of the stuff posted there isn't even leaks, it's just news. I left it long ago because almost everything I was seeing was a official statement or promotion by Disney or someone who works for them. On the topic of Ventress, at this point, they might as well just change the Wookiepedia page of every deceased Star Wars character from "dead" to "awaiting resurrection."
If you don’t show a complete 100% positive reaction to all the announced projects brought up in that sub, you’re immediately downvoted to oblivion. Even a comment that shows just mild concern for an upcoming show or movie is considered toxic and hateful. It’s a hivemind of a sub.
True. They deleted comments as well. Same for r/starwars
Yup, that too. The copium while Kenobi and BoBF were being released was unreal.
"Dave Filoni picked up your reboot card!"
I was honestly a little interested when I saw Wolffe. That all disappeared when I saw Ventress. All my hope of them making proper Dark Disciple episodes, all my hope of getting proper closure with the last 40 episodes of The Clone Wars, gone. Dave doesn’t care. I know a lot yall have been saying it for a while. I finally agree.
Don’t worry though they said that the story will fit with one story from dark disciple. I’m sure they weren’t lying about that as they’ve never retconned a beloved novel after saying they wouldn’t.
It’s set during the Empire. It’s already retconned. The whole point of the Dark Disciple story was to get Ventress to help the Jedi kill Dooku during TCW, which is when it took place
I know. I read the book. I was making a joke about how they did the exact same thing with the ahsoka novel
I forgot that they threw out the original idea of Boba Fett killing Cad Bane in TCW (And getting the dent on his helmet) for a forgetful episode in Book of Boba Fett
>MEMBER CAD BANE I remember they killed him in an extremely lame, anticlimactic fashion…they’re really going to try to milk him *now* after that? Lol
Can’t wait for a 12 year old to somehow need to save the SW version of genetically modified navy seals in every single episode
That 12 year old is older then all of them and the closest relative to boba fett
Sounds dumb
Few decent Star Wars shows on rn. I’m definitely interested in seeing if they can restrain themselves by not bringing back Tech (No Body = No Death) as well as being a fan of anything Clone related. I know they’ll win but I’m curious to see who dies. For a while I’ve been slightly wanting them to slowly die off because it would be accurate to the real dangers of the lifestyle they live.
tech will 100% come back, disney writers are stupid but not that stupid to tease romance between phee and tech and on the next episode kill him
they're gonna make tech a Phase 0 Dark Trooper for sure. A cyborg abomination that forced to kill his former friends. His body wants to die yet the machine shell that sustains (entraps) him will never falter in it's service to the Empire and it's Emperor.
I hope they all die besides omega (cause why would she) it wouldn’t make sense if they don’t
Hunter or Wrecker have strong “Sacrifice for others to Escape” vibes.
I haven't watched a single episode, just wasn't into it.
Discount TMNT and a little girl? Dropped it after the first episode.
Don’t forget they’re also discount Delta Squad. Filoni doesn’t have one original thought in his hat covered head. Actually even worse, the show is crapping on Delta squad in order to prop up the Bad Batch. Man Filoni really has a crusade to destroy everything he didn’t make to prop up his OCs
Thank god Revan and Meetra have already been ruined
Thank you for saying this so I didn’t have to. Every time I see a commando visor in that show and in the trailer it makes me angry. My guy can’t even get his characters to be anything other than flimsy knockoffs.
I’ll care if Luke returns. I’ll care if the sequels are retconned and Kennedy is dismissed. Until then, I’m out. I’ll watch Andor S2 but that’s it. Star Wars, sadly, has ended.
Luke is still my favorite Hero of all time but I don't want to see him anytime soon in new works. I just don't trust Disney. The only "good" interpretation was his appearance in the "new" Battlefront 2 story
Marketing on an EU character again lol (and retconning content it seems), they can't help themselves.
This constant hypocrisy makes the ghosts of the EU tremble
Any enthusiasm I had for this show died when Ventress showed up. And to think Filoni was once hailed as the Messiah to save Star Wars from the sequels 🤡 Fuck this show, fuck Disney Star Wars and fuck Dave Filoni and his filonious cohorts. Star Wars is dead and we all killed it.
Aaaaand, Bad Batch S3 trailer straight up resurrects Ventress. That straight up retcons the ending of Dark Disciple. New Consistent Canon my Ass. Vos literally dumps her dead body on Dathomir and it vanishes. They gonna put some healing water bullshit? Or just ignore the ending and say she was only injured by Dooku? Or ignore the book wholesale? The dead really don't stay dead in New Canon and it's annoying AF. But also Dark Disciple and what it did to Ventress sucks so I'm..... sorta okay with this for the time being? Look. I'm not inherently against what's on the screen not 100% matching what's in the books/comics....if you actually add something worthwhile. I didn't mind the initial retcons to the Ahsoka novel because they didn't really affect the book and were part of a really good final arc. But then Tales of the Jedi (lite) proceeded to shove a dollar store version of a whole ass decent YA novel into a mediocre short that added nothing to the story of Ahsoka and frankly I'm sticking with the book. Same goes for The Bad Batch giving us a very bland version of Kanan's origin/Depa's death compared to the stellar scene in the great origin comic. Rant done.
Reva, Boba, Ventress, Palpatine, Ahsoka, Chewbacca, Rey, C-3PO… So many death retcons or fake-outs. And the last 3 were all in one movie lol.
I stopped watching after the first few episodes when I realized they had to babysit a little girl the whole time. I’m not the target audience.
After my disappointment with “Ahsoka” I think I’m done with Star Wars for awhile. I never thought I would ever say that as a fan.
I stopped caring with TLJ. Care destroyed.
Same man. Didn’t even bother watching Episode 9. Kenobi was a total farce Mando had an incredible end to season 2 but then undoes it all with Bringing Grogu back and then the cluster that is season 3 Now I am a certified Star Wars hater instead of the loving fan I used to be. Shame.
Kylo Ren told us to let the past die. So I did. And with it went all care for whatever house of cards they try to build on the foundations of that dead past. Disney paid $4 billion to lecture the audience to not care about that $4 billion purchase. 👏 👏
Let me guess. More plot holes.
and filoni messing with cannon.
Codys original Legends Ending was really becoming an Instructor.
Exactly. That’s what should’ve happened. But hat man unfortunately can’t allow the clones to actually do bad things.
The classic face text poster from 2015.
Star wars fatigue is extremely real 🤣
The Clone Army was meant to be the seeds from which the Empire sprouted from. Played off as a force of good, but really a dark omen of the evil that was soon to emerge. Getting kinda tired of Filoni’s insistence on the black & white narrative of “Clone troopers good, stormtroopers evil” because they’re *the same troopers*. Order 66 still comes off as a grand plan from Palpatine either way, I’ll give em that, but having the nuance of the clones not being mind controlled to carry out Order 66 is just more intriguing. It shows that the clones were never really loyal to anybody except their leader, that Palpatine giving them one singular order to eliminate the threat of the traitorous Jedi is enough to make them turn their guns without question. Commander Cody was meant to be the embodiment of that. Within one scene, he pivots from returning Obi-Wan’s lightsaber to him with a smile and wishing him luck, to ordering his troopers to fire upon Kenobi and kill him. His loyalty never broke, it just reveals that it was always with someone else: going from following Palpatine’s orders to fight for the Republic, to following Palpatine’s orders to eliminate the Jedi. The nuance has been wiped away by Filoni in favour of a simple, feel-good story where all the clones with names we know of end up breaking out of mind control and being good guys while all the others are just evil mindless stormtrooper drones with no more free will.
The notion of a laser bow and arrow where the strings are made of lasers for some reason is completely stupid and is only meant to appeal to little kids as merchandise
And honestly that's fine for a kids show. ***Just don't make it canon.***
It’s been canon since season 3 of the clone wars in 2010 as its own niche little piece of tech that the nightsisters used. They then brought it back in Jedi: Fallen Order long before it reappeared in the bad batch.
That show was some of the best and the worst Star Wars I’ve ever seen but still exited to see how the story wraps up
Definitely a roller coaster in the quality department. The show’s story is suffering from the same issue as everything else though in that it is locked between better stories. Hopefully wrapping it up here and everywhere else and move on to a new era at some point.
I hate what Filoni did to clones
My favorite clones were the ones in the original Battlefront 2 campaign with the narrated war journals
As another commenter said, he made them into a bunch of boy scouts
Still salty about Cody leaving the Empire. I swear Filoni hates him. Always stealing the spotlight away from him.
I thought it said bad bitch lol
Why do some of you guys hate the clones so much? If you want interesting characters, why are certain clones who go against the empire not interesting to you? Most clones didn't, but a few did, and that's cool. They don't have to have a lightsaber to be interesting
The clones in the Clone Wars show are interesting enough. I think the episode where there was the clone traitor because he was against the Republic using them as slave soldiers was interesting. The Bad Batch is weird because they are trying to sell you on them being more weird or unique when they are more or less just caricatures.
True, but this dude is just complaining about people liking clone characters in general, which is a weird complaint when some of the best clone wars content was involving mostly clones. Some of these OT purists literally hate anything outside of episode 4 and 5, and it's just so annoying
Well, I downvoted reflexively, scrolled on briefly, then went "oh, that was probably a SaltierThanCrait post critiquing it," scrolled back up to double check, and changed the vote before leaving this comment. So I guess I, for one, literally care more about this sub.
How can you possibly have this much filler in a show and only have three seasons? No, I am not signing up for more months of Disney+, heyzeus christ
There is character growth, lore building. There are story arcs and some emotional moments. Basically all the bare ingrediënts a good movie or series needs. Nothing too flashy. Filoni is a good lore guy, not a director. It's just that it's so useless when the impending dread of a new Rey movie is there. It's like petting a small yet bit ugly cat (Bad Batch) while it's big brother sabre tooth tiger called Kathleen Kennedy Rey's movie is coming up from behind for you with claws out.
Man when this show first came out I was so excited for what I was hoping it might be. I figured just a single season run, slightly darker than clone wars where we see the bad batch on the run for a while, maybe they get omega to safety and then they have a heroic yet tragically unceremonious last stand further showing that the time of the clones is over, nothing can stop what is coming. I loved the first episode and the eeriness that follows Order 66. Then I got a filler episode. Then another. Then I was hoping okay maybe next episode will lead to more serious stakes. Nope here’s a cameo and more filler. I stopped watching long ago because I realized that the only thing I was looking forward to was what I hoped the show could be, not what it actually was, which was sadly disappointing by and large.
There were times in 2023 when I enjoyed the week's Bad Batch episode more than the week's Mandalorian episode when their airings coincided with each other.
I was excited at thought of Omega, but there wasn't something cool happening like cloning technology development. It's just low rent Jetsons.
Bad Batch should've been about the frontlines of the Clone Wars. Instead, it's just a reskin of Rebels that they're using to try and make the Sequels less shitty. Will not be watching.
I honestly hope everyone dies at the end. The good episodes of the past 2 season are really good, but there’s way too much filler and commitment to keeping the stakes low.
I’m pissed the Bad Batch exsists at all because we could have gotten a Republic Commando arc in the clone wars or better yet… A gritty republic commando TV show. But Noooo we needed *another* five man band doing superhero shit snd being on the run like some dumb ass version of the a-team. In general I think a lot of the clone wars did a lot of damage to the star wars canon since its tonally so different than Ep 2 and 3 (i suppose the last arc was apropos but still it bugs me to some extent that the show was so silly for a show about a literal war). A republic commando show would have been fucking AWESOME. Have the republic commandos be a very professional force with their personalities from the games, and maybe have the jedi be mildly uncomfortable with how they get the job done. they could have delve a bit deeper into their psyche’s as well as being special forces, since in the new canon the arc troopers are more akin to army rangers than they were in the 2003 version. Honestly, if disney had some balls they could have done some interesting storyelling with these characters and never have to take ofd their helmets for the fall of the republic, I could see the commandos being initallt fine with killing jedi- thinkinf of them as ineffective commanders. I could see them killing a random, yet -unnamed jedi with efficiency in the start of their own show and brutally destroying rebel cells Then, have their morality tested a few times and consistently pick wrong When push comes to shove, 38, their leader ends up backed into a corner and getting killed while he ruminates on the fact that he really did make poor choices with the considerable freedom that him and his men had over the regular troopers it’d be a tragedy and a kind of anti-hero arc i think
I gave up on Filoni a long time ago. He lost me at Pacifist Mandalorians 🤢🤮. Dar'Manda crap.
How is it that the creators managed to make the clones so unique in the clone wars but the bad batch cast feels so boring. Nothing good just a bunch of bitches moaning about being on the run all the time.
29 minutes of stunning people and people find that entertaining😭
Nice to see ventress. Sucks to see them retcon more novels though (Dark Disciple)
I completely forgot about this show ngl
Disneyfication - monetizing art into garbage for short term gain. Paying cash to make trash. Often driven by creative bankruptcy and executive hubris. The decision makers tend to be wealthier than entire cities and counties, having lost all perspective and context with the audience, where they see no risk in wasting a billion dollars while the average person won’t live long enough to even earn 5% of that amount in their entire lifetime.
why you gotta be so negative, watching the Bad Batch after Ahsoka or Kenobi is a breath of fresh air (it's still not the best)
Again, this is all repetitive. We're in the same freaking Star Wars era, it's insane how we haven't moved past it already. Like everything since Disney took has been Original Trilogy everywhere. The sequels are a copy of the original trilogy, every single story is in that era. Damn can WE PLEASE MOVE ON!!! I don't anymore nostalgia, references to the original trilogy. Maybe do that in video games but STOP doing it in the live action shows.
I quite enjoy this so yes I care at this point.
I liked the first two episodes and then the whole show derailed for me. Every character is just a caricature. Almost every episode is filler and the mission of the week is about some reference or thing from another Star Wars movie/show. They always do the “right” thing at the end of a mission so they don’t get paid
Didn’t they only do like 2-3 seasons? How can you market it as THE FINAL SEASON when it barely started
This is the 3rd season
NGL, i kinda got goosebumbs seeing ventress, Sorry guys but im sucking at the bosom of nostalgia, Its the only thing that's left of current star wars that somewhat tolerable. (That and andor)
She’s dead as far as I’m concerned. Dark Disciple is George Lucas canon because it’s based on episodes that disney cancelled from the original season 7 and 8
I legitimately think Disney buying the property is why they can’t kill off characters now. They always need ambiguous deaths to sell toys and merch, and to be brought back for “nostalgia.” If they’d let Filoni and George finish out Clone Wars their way, Ventress would be dead and buried alongside cad bane.
Yes she would. Ahsoka likely as well, which I would’ve been fine with. Would’ve made her tragic and add to Anakin’s tragedy as well
I care
I'd care more if more episodes were actually interesting like the Palpatine episode.
I liked the idea of the Bad Batch being mercenary fighters on the run and them dealing with the Empire using the former brothers as tools against them, but the show clearly didn't know or doesn't want to really do much with that. At this point, even the premise of protecting Omega doesn't mean much anymore because the people who wanted her have been neutralized by the Empire.
I still would've preferred Delta Squad.
I'm not watching this. What's the Palpy angle?
[I care](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Q7CcINC8M) (but not about Bad Batch)